Dwight Howard Rumors: Dallas Mavericks "Probably" the Most Likely Destination for Deron Williams and Orlando Magic Center, According to Report
by Evan Dunlap on Feb 23, 2012 12:20 AM EST
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PrintIf allowed to reach free agency in the summer of 2012, Orlando Magic center Dwight Howard will almost certainly choose to join New Jersey Nets point guard Deron Williams with the Dallas Mavericks, says Chad Ford of ESPN.com. "Lots of signals pointing to this being the preferred outcome for both players," Ford reported in a chat with ESPN.com readers.
Dallas is among the three teams with which Dan Fegan, Howard's agent, has permission to discuss a trade; he received that permission from Orlando management prior to the start of the 2011/12 season, with the other teams being New Jersey and the Los Angeles Lakers.
Unless the Nets trade for Howard before the March 15th deadline, Ford believes Williams will leave for Dallas, a short drive from The Colony, where he attended high school. Howard, in turn, is said to want to join Williams, a close friend of his, for the chance to play for a championship alongside Dirk Nowitzki, the 2011 NBA Finals MVP. If New Jersey manages to swing a trade for Howard, however, Ford expects Williams to re-sign with the Nets.
To have enough salary-cap space to sign both Williams and Howard outright, the Mavs would need to ditch at least two hefty contracts. Dallas is certain to waive center Brendan Haywood using the amnesty clause, who is owed roughly $37 million in the four seasons following this one. The next most-obvious player for Dallas to dump is combo forward Shawn Marion, who has $17 million owed him after the 2011/12 season. Through Tuesday's games, Marion's season averages stood at 12 points, 6.4 boards, and two assists.
Ford says "Howard is likely going to leave," so he advises Orlando against letting its franchise cornerstone hit free agency. "Waiting until the summer to make a deal would be a major mistake for them."
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if this is true it angers me
because Dwight could somehow try and make it work where Deron comes here if he loved Orlando so much
Anytime I read a quote from SVG, I always read it in my best impression of his voice
Yeah, we would all love that
But tell me a realistic scenario where we would be able to acquire Deron Williams, either by trade or free agency. Chances are slim to none. This one falls on Otis.
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by 808duck on Feb 23, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah...sucks =[
Anytime I read a quote from SVG, I always read it in my best impression of his voice
by FlyHighJets on Feb 23, 2012 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
Not really
It would be as simple as Deron telling NJ to trade him here or he signs with Dallas outright.
Where petulance happens
Then NJ wins since he'll be out of the East
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Feb 23, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
If Dwight doesn’t want to be here I hope they trade him.
Somehow I believe the Magic will screw this situation up further.
by Randall1178 on Feb 23, 2012 1:01 AM EST via Android app reply actions
If Howard wants to leave, don't trade him.
Let him take the 30 million dollar salary hit for going to free agency. Unless there’s a trade that makes Orlando better without Howard on the team, it’s a bad trade. Trading Howard let’s him retain his home-court salary advantage in another city. I can’t live with rewarding him for leaving after we built that damn arena to keep him here. And Chad Ford is cheering Howard on, and trying to sway Orlando into trading him, for fear that if they don’t, he’ll stay here.
I don't think Dallas even has to trade Marion, but instead move Beauboix and Jones.
At seasons end next summer there are four contracts on the Mavericks books that they can not be fully in control of:
Dirk Nowitski: 2012/13 = 20.1
Shaun Marion: 2012/13 = 8.4
Rodrigue Beauboix: 2012/13 = 2.2
Dominique Jones: 2012/13 = 1.3
• total salary summer 2012 = 32.0
• 2012/2013 salary cap = 58.1
• available cap space: 26.1
• max salary for 7-9 year vets – new contract = 15.5 (x2 for D Williams/D Howard)
• 30.1 needed cap space – 26.1 available = 4.0 amount that needs to be cleared
In other words, the Mavericks can give both Williams and Howard the max salary available if they trade Beaubois + Jones for an (125% -150% value) expiring contract. Perhaps that is why it is being reported that Beaubois is being shopped. Dallas (ESPN).
All other contracts can be removed by them:
Jason Terry: Renounce the rights to contract which expires summer 2012 to void 16.7 cap hold
Jason Kidd: Renounce the rights to contract which expires summer 2012 to void 15.2 cap hold
Lamar Odom: Decline team option for 12-13 season
Brendan Haywood: Amnesty the remaining 3y / $37.8
Vince Carter: Decline team options for (2012-13) and (2013-14)
Ian Mahinmi: Renounce the rights to contract which expires summer 2012 to void 0.9 cap hold
Brandan Wright: Decline team option for 12-13 season
Sean Williams: Decline team option for 12-13 season
Brian Cardinal: Renounce the rights to contract which expires summer 2012 to void 0.9 cap hold
Delonte West: Renounce the rights to contract which expires summer 2012 to void 0.9 cap hold
+Misc : Renounce the rights to several previous expired contracts to void all cap holds
- Jason Kidd and Jason Terry will very likely resign for the vet minimum to end their careers in Dallas.
- It is also of note that at the end of the 2013 – 14 season Dirk’s contract ends. That is $22.7 million instantly cleared, so in two years they can reload yet again.
Potential Roster:
Derek Williams / Jason Kidd
? / Jason Terry
S Marion / ?
Dirk Novitski / ?
Dwight Howard / ?
There are minimum cap holds once you go under a certain amount of players.
So the issue isn’t trading Beaubois/Jones, but rather finding a suitor for Marion.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Ah! yes your right, thanks
Larry Coon CBA Q&A
• A roster charge if the team has fewer than 12 players (players under contract, free agents included in team salary, players given offer sheets, and first round draft picks). The roster charge is equal to the rookie minimum salary for each player below 12. The roster charge only applies during the offseason.
• the minimum rookie salary = 0.5m
• .5m x (8 roster charges) = 4.0 m
• total salary summer 2012 = 36.0
• 2012/2013 salary cap = 58.1
• Dallas’ available cap space: 22.1
• max salary for 7-9 year vets – new contract = 15.5 (x2 for D Williams/D Howard)
• 30.1 needed cap space – 22.1 available = 8.0m is amount that needs to be cleared (Shaun Marion)
this doesn't surprise me
I remember reading that Howard loves Mark Cuban, and how willing he is to get the players whatever they need. Also, I think he likes how much (perceived) say Dirk has with management and what not. As a Dwight fan, I’m for this; as a Magic fan, it makes me le sad.
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by andyprocombat on Feb 23, 2012 1:13 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Whatever.
I still say no trade and let him walk away from $30 million so he can get his ass kicked by OKC every year.
by Vindibudd on Feb 23, 2012 1:42 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
In reality, he's only walking from about 12 Million
All the extra money is from the 5th year of a Bird Rights Deal. He will command another max salary contract in four years anyway.
by MasterofMagic on Feb 23, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
They had better trade him if he is definitely going
Are people really content with a starting five of
Nelson
J Rich
Hedo
Anderson
Davis
To get the #1 pick in 2013?
I think that lineup’s ideal!
by eltharion_doa on Feb 23, 2012 6:11 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I would rather be Charlotte for a year and end up like Cleveland
than be PHX where we have enough talent to make the playoffs or get a low lottery pick and continue to be mediocre.
Yep, that becomes the new goal.
Rip the bandaid off and completely start over.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 23, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
I say trade him
to charlotte or new orleans for expiring contracts
Dumbest. idea. ever.
Let us assume a salary cap set at an even $60million, because, it will most likely be raised and a nice even number helps our math.
Okay, so max contract for Williams/Howard is 30% of the salary cap. So the max in the first year is $18million.
Dallas if they renounce all of their free agents would have $27.2million in cap space. Good enough for $13.6million per year.
If they trade away everyone but Nowitzki & Marion they would have $30.7million in cap space. Getting closer, now they could offer $15.35million .
For them to offer both max contracts they have to trade down to having only Nowitzki and no one else on their roster.
Which means they would have no supporting players at all. Haywood, West, Odom, and Marion are all gone for sure. Kidd might sign for the minimum but he’d only be a back-up with Williams there so that’s not a big piece.
Terry has a lot of pride and if they renounce him and then tell him to sign for way below his market value it is nowhere near 100% that he says yes.
So, Howard, Williams, Nowitzki, and a bunch of super old players on minimum deals…?
Or Howard could just sign with New Jersey they both make max money and they have Brooks, Humphries, Lopez, Farmar, Morrow, and whatever player they draft with this year’s lottery pick.
I’m not saying they don’t make the dumb choice, because I’m not going to assume Williams and Howard can make smart decisions. I am just saying that this whole Dallas concept is really really dumb.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Feb 23, 2012 7:57 AM EST reply actions
I actually understood all that
and I can’t math!
Clever girl
by TheGiantSquid on Feb 23, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
Howard, Williams, Nowitzki
is a good team by itself.
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by 4QB on Feb 23, 2012 9:10 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
This.
And the moment you have three superstars right there (that complement each other too mind you), you’re going to have a giant race of veteran free agents who want their shot at a ring.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
If it were all about winning, they would both sign in Orlando
All the Magic need is a player who can score off the dribble and command the ball when we need a basket. If Williams comes to Orlando the Magic are instantly considered right there with the Heat. If they go to NJ or Dal it’s going to take a year or two to get supporting players around them
by MasterofMagic on Feb 23, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Gut the team to keep the marquee player and bring in two stars? Sounds a little familiar.
"There's a fine line between 'aging vet' and 'has-been.' Otis Smith treads it more often than most." - EnnBee
But its Dallas vs Brooklyn
It is warm weather vs cold. It is no state tax vs huge state tax. It is an owner who not only talks a big game, but does whatever it takes to make it happen vs an owner who talks a lot, but hasnt done anything yet. He also might have more political aspirations on the other side of the world than he has interest in his basketball team.
I doubt that DAL would have the capacity to sign two max players without gutting their roster.
But assuming that they do at all costs, this explains why Dwight is not pushing for a trade before March 15 deadline. Yes, he would leave a lot of money on the table but he will end up in a warm weather destination, no income tax, while forming the next mega-team with 3 super stars. The worst would be that may struggle for a season – as MIA did – and then pick up enough veterans – looking for a championship – to round up the roster. No wonder Dwight is preaching for playing harder after the all-star break pushing for a championship.
Learning is not compulsory, but have you learned anything today?
I don't even think they'll struggle because J Terry and J Kidd (and maybe even V Carter) would very likely just resign (for vet min) there to end their careers with the same team and have a very good shot at another ring
Deron Williams / Jason Kidd
Vince Carter / Jason Terry
? / ?
Dirk Novitski / ?
Dwight Howard / ?
+ young PG Roddy Beauboix who they can surely trade for at minimum a half-way decent player to fill their roster holes
Maybe we should just let him go, guys.
I mean, according to Skip Bayless, we’re better off with Tyson Chandler or Bynum anyways, since they’re better.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7594246
How does this dude even have a job? Honestly?
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Bayless is a joke, but there are others who think trading for Bynum is our best option. They are all clueless or have personal agendas.
This may sound redundant, but I tend to believe that we need a fresh GM with clean slate to attempt one last round of talks with Dwight and his agent, and if no commitment is secured from Dwight to re-sign, we should do the trade with NJ before March 15 deadline.
Learning is not compulsory, but have you learned anything today?
Hey ... those people have a lot more followers than 146.
Learning is not compulsory, but have you learned anything today?
You don't let an asset walk away with no return and in this case the best asset is Bynum
At worse Bynum’s $16m contract will certainly return more than Lopez’ $4m. But most importantly Bynum can be flipped over the summer before the draft for a very good pick. Lopez can get you a pick but nowhere in the range Bynum will.
It would be ridiculous to let Dwight walk away for nothing in return.
This team w/ Dwight = at best a second round playoff team which means at least a 1/2 year wasted towards rebuilding for the future, with nothing in return but Dwight’s smoke trail. Sure you clear his salary away at seasons end if you let him walk, but without a trade you don’t have the opportunity to clear away all the junk contracts. That is a worse scenario because without something to piggy back those contracts they essentially become unmovable, and as the new cba begins its cap tightening after next season they become even worse contracts choking off the rebuild.
The point is to dump contracts and to gain movable assets plus extend the option timeline for the Magic all the way through to next season’s trade deadline.
Another factor in why Dwight should be traded – if he won’t commit – is that either way a decision will have to be made on Anderson this summer. I’d rather test Anderson without Dwight for half a season before having to match whatever ridiculous offers he will get as a rfa.
by MagicLA on Feb 23, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure what is new that Ford is bringing up here.
I remember this being one of the primary ideas of what will happen next year and it was brought up months ago.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
What's "new" is he claims this is "probably" what's going to happen.
I don’t put faith in any reports right now, because everyone got the LeBron thing wrong until the very end. It’s all people trying to break stories and get scoops from whatever “sources” they can find. I mean, Stephen A Smith just said he thinks it almost a lock that Dwight goes to the Lakers. I’m sure we can find a journalist who says it’s a lock he goes to the Nets or Knicks. I’m sure we can find one that says Dwight might stay with Orlando. Who knows?
I just want to enjoy the good ball the team is playing right now, for the most part.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
But to think of it this scenario of going to DAL, as I have tried to explain above, makes sense considering that Dwight and his agent have calmed down recently on their push for trade waiting for DAL to make necessary moves which they could not right now.
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You can spin any of the scenarios as something that makes sense.
That’s why this all seems so futile to try to figure out right now.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Yaeh, but some scenarios make more sense than others.
i.e., “All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others” (George Orwell, Animal Farm).
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This is a tough one for me
as I live in Dallas and the Mavs are my daughter’s favorite team. So Mavs get to be the super team and the Magic get nothing or Dwight goes to Brooklyn and I get more hate in my heart. It sure would be nice to know what the real chances of his staying in Orlando are, and even nicer if the Magic management actually knew.
Where petulance happens
What would you do?
If you were Dwight Howard and your choices were:
Play in Orlando for more money with Otis Smith in charge,
or
Play in Dallas with Deron Williams and Dirk Nowitzki – with Mark Cuban in charge.
I can’t remotely blame the guy if he leaves for that.
"There's a fine line between 'aging vet' and 'has-been.' Otis Smith treads it more often than most." - EnnBee
by Redfield on Feb 23, 2012 12:15 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
That's really the unfortunate truth.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 23, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
If I wasnt such a huge fan, I could see how this Otis Era could drive people away from this team.
I’ve thought about it, but cant in my heart fake cheering for a team other than Orlando.
Since there seems to be about zero chance that Howard stays with the Magic, him going to the Mavs (even if the Magic get nothing in return) is an outcome I wouldn't hate.
Magic will become a lottery team and rebuild drafting young talent. Otis Smith will be gone if this happens, I’m sure.
Lakers will not see daylight again in a while.
That Dallas team would prevent the Heat from winning (problem is who is going to stop them this year? I’m hoping for another “upset” like last season). If last time Chandler, Kidd and Barea could exploit the Heat’s weaknesses at C and PG, imagine what Howard and Williams would do. That’s without mentioning Nowitzki.
Once more, the best scenario would be if Howard stayed, I’m sure other stars would be willing to join the Magic if they knew Howard was locked under contract for the foreseeable future, but the more time it passes the more obvious it is that Howard has other ambitions beyond basketball, and he feels that he can’t get stuff done from Orlando.
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by North of the South on Feb 23, 2012 12:52 PM EST reply actions
OKC & Dallas would be a nice battle to watch for a few years
I picked OKC to win it this year in my pre-season bet on a site I will not mention for fear of being monitored by the government, so I think that’d be great to watch them beat the Heat.
Make a trade with the Lakers....
But not Howard for Bynum. I’m talking Pau Gasol.
Trade Nelson, JRich, Davis, and Q for Gasol and Steve Blake.
The Lakers are desperate for a starting PG, and Nelson would be an upgrade for them. They could start JRich at SF, where they haven’t gotten anything from Metta World Peace (Ron Artest). Davis can start at PF for them to replace Gasol. And Q would be a nice pick up off the bench, seeing how they currently have a terrible bench squad. They would essentially be getting three starters for one.
Their lineup: C-Bynum, PF-Davis, SF-JRich, SG-Bryant, PG- Nelson.
With a bench lineup of: C-Murphy, PF-McRoberts, SF-Barnes, SG-Q, PG-Fisher.
That’s better than what they have now.
I think it would make us better as well. A three man bigs rotation of Howard, Gasol, and Anderson would be an upgrade.
It would open up opportunities for other players who are derseving as well. Clark could get full time backup duties to Turk at SF. Redick could start at SG, with Wafer getting more time backing him up. Steve Blake could start and put up at least the same numbers as Nelson was with Duhon backing him up.
I really think it could work out well for both teams.
by Justin85 on Feb 23, 2012 1:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Lakers hear that trade, laugh, and hang up the phone.
That’s terrible value for Gasol..
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
I don't think so
It would alleviate their need for a PG(Nelson), give them a better player than Artest on the wing(JRich), and add depth to their team(Q). Plus still get Davis who can start for them.
by Justin85 on Feb 23, 2012 3:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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