Dwight Howard Rumors: Los Angeles Lakers' Chances of Acquiring Orlando Magic Star "Slim and None," According to Report
by Evan Dunlap on Feb 21, 2012 5:11 AM EST
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PrintThe Los Angeles Lakers' front office is in disarray, writes Ken Berger of CBSSports.com, which has severely jeopardized their chances of landing Orlando Magic superstar center Dwight Howard via trade. "This is a real critical time," Berger cites one source as saying. "The chances of Dwight Howard coming in there are slim and none at this point." That source says Jim Buss, L.A.'s executive vice president, is at a disadvantage negotiating trades with other teams because he "has no relationships with other GMs."
Given the extensive chaos in the Lakers organization, it seems unlikely they'll be able to trade for Howard. Though Orlando understandably doesn't want to part ways with its all-time leading scorer and franchise cornerstone, it may have to trade him prior to the March 15th deadline in order to avoid risking him walking away for nothing. As the New Jersey Nets and Dallas Mavericks could have enough cap space to sign him outright--Dallas would need to use the amnesty clause on one player and trade another--the threat of receiving nothing in return for Howard is very real.
Los Angeles' potential involvement in the Howard sweepstakes is key because it can offer, in All-Star center Andrew Bynum, the best possible return for Howard via trade. Though not quite the player Howard is, the 24-year-old Bynum is nonetheless a powerhouse, averaging 16.3 points--as a third offensive option--13.1 boards, and 2.1 blocked shots. This season marks the fifth consecutive one in which Bynum has posted a Player Efficiency Rating over 20. He is nearly an elite player, and well worth building a post-Howard roster around.
But if the Lakers' front office is so toxic that it can't, or won't, negotiate trades with other teams, then the Magic might have to settle for a lesser package. Nets center Brook Lopez is reasonably talented and an obvious candidate to build a Howard trade-offer around, but Brian Schmitz of the Orlando Sentinel reported earlier in February the Magic have no interest in him.
Prior to the start of the 2011/12 season, the Lakers were among three teams to which Howard, a free-agent-to-be, indicated he'd like the Magic to trade him; Dallas and New Jersey are the other two. Orlando management granted Dan Fegan, Howard's agent, permission to discuss trades with those three teams. But word in recent days suggests the Mavs and Nets have emerged as the favorites to land the three-time Defensive Player of the Year.
Berger's report, which cites several anonymous sources, details how the shift in power from Lakers owner Dr. Jerry Buss to his son Jim has turned the Lakers organization upside-down. Prior to the NBA lockout, the team dismissed several key front-office personnel, including assistant general manager Ronnie Lester. Berger says coach Mike Brown, in his first year with the team, only learned the Lakers agreed to trade Lamar Odom to Dallas after the deal went through. Finally, one of the Lakers' three remaining scouts is a good buddy of Jim Buss' named Chaz, a former bartender. NBA fans owe it to themselves to read the story.
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Andrew "The best possible return for Howard" Bynum should be his new nickname.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Feb 21, 2012 5:32 AM EST reply actions
The demise couldn't happen to a more deserving franchise.
Hope “Chaz” gets more involved in personnel decisions for the lakers. They can’t collapse soon enough as far as I’m concerned.
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Yeah, it always does feel good to see a big market team flounder.
Gives hope to the little guys.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 21, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
I'd take Bynum, but that's about it
I would rather let Dwight walk and free up cap space, and completely blow up the team then take on contracts of some players who are overpaid and under-performing. There are a lot of good players coming out of college soon, and no matter what other people say, players do like to play in Orlando, just not players who are more concerned with the fame and recognition that comes with a championship, not actually winning a championship (ahem Dwight Howard).
A trade involving Dwight would be the best chance the Magic have at freeing up cap space.
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by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT
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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT
by internet commenter on Feb 21, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Ding! ding! ding!
But the crappy thing about all this is Otis has to admit he failed miserably in the signing of Duhon, Hedo and Glen Davis for them to be packaged along with Howard. WTF is he still the one making these decisions? He must be a qtr. Teflon
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Feb 22, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
this doesn't make a whole lot of sense
magic could free themselves of turks insane contract, and get draft picks to get those college players youre talking about
by William_H_HOLLA on Feb 21, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'm still insisting on Bynum & Gasol or bust.
If the Lakers don’t want to give that up, then let Dwight walk. For the love of Allah though, no sign and trade for a damn trade exception (which we’ll probably just let waste away). Make Dwight take the paycut if he wants to go elsewhere. Show some backbone, NBA Management!
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by slickw143 on Feb 21, 2012 10:48 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Absurd.
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by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT
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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT
by internet commenter on Feb 21, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
this report is overblown
does it make sense for the lakers to invest heavily in scouting while kobe’s window is closing? those picks are going to be dealt to improve the lakers’ chances of winning now, not later.
berger criticizes nepotism and cronyism as if they were totally unheard of in sports, then suggests jeannie buss needs to be more involved. what?
i believe this story contains three messages from dwight’s representatives. The first message is a middle finger to the Lakers, for being unwilling to give up both Pau and Drew. The second message is a middle finger to the Magic front office, for not giving in to their trade demand: now that the Lakers are out of the picture, New Jersey has much more leverage.
the third message is an invitation to GMs: New Jersey doesn’t have to field the greatest hand for Dwight anymore, so the number of teams that can facilitate a trade increases.
what does berger get out of this? this is how the game works: insiders need to forge relationships with important figures in the basketball world like executives and agents in order to bring information to the public first. in exchange for information/breaking news, guys like awoj@yahoo will write this kind of agenda-driven “report.”
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Earlier last week
there was a rumor that LAL was shopping Gasol to MIN for Derek Williams and other pieces. I would accept Bynum and DWIll in a trade.
There must be a conspiracy in pushing Bynum forward as the best substitute for Dwight, Irvin Johnson included.
It’s moronic to take Bynum who has proven to be unreliable and risky … bad knee for a big player who keeps pounding it further as he gets older is bad news. If Dwight leaves – or traded – we need to be thinking of re-building, and Bynum is not a sure fire player to build around due to the aforementioned knee issues. Therefore, it would be best to dump salary – or get cap relief – in any trade rather than receiving equal salaries on unfit or unreliable players.
That is why trading with a team under cap, particularly NJ, makes more sense. Lopez should not be a deal breaker if we don’t wish to take him, and NJ would probably accommodate. Even if we take him, his salary – and expiring next year – is only $3M, and we should be able to trade him away. Taking players like Bynum – if he stays healthy long enough – would only make us a mediocre play-off team while bringing down our chances of getting good high draft picks. Let’s break the team apart, and stink for a couple of years to:
- Get under the cap and have the opportunity to sign the free agent of our choosing.
- Have a better opportunity to get high draft picks.
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Except I'd also want some good picks, not JUST cap relief
but I’m not seeing any scenario where we get good picks. This whole situation sucks rocks.
Of course. I mentioned Lopez just because the cited report from Brian Schmitz singled him out as the deal breaker.
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That is only posturing. Stan voted for lopez in the ASG last year
Van Gundy said he voted for Nets Center Brook Lopez for this year’s All-Star team
Are you telling me that Magic would rather get nothing than a guy whom Stan a year ago voted for, for the All Star team?
Why? Do you really believe that nothing is better than a 20 and 8 guy?
Lopes is a top 3 offensive center in the league. He has nowhere near the impact as Dwight but he can put a lot of points on the board efficiently. No reason to not like him.
Because it is highway robbery, that's why
I’d rather have a hair width’s chance of keeping Dwight than trade gold for lead.
I don't like his attitude much...he admitted "not trying" in games only a year ago.
Though it’s worth noting that Lopez actually may be a better “offensive” center than Howard — which means in the 4-1 spread offense, Lopez should be at least equivilent to Howard.
It’s just that Howard can be SOOOOO good on defense. No one in the league matches him.
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by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Feb 22, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Calm down ... I am not telling you - or anybody - anything except that Lopez should not be a deal breaker.
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What are you talking about?
Magic could have the Nets #1 and Houston’s #1 from this year. Those are valuable picks.Add Lopez and the magic have a nice shot of recovering quickly. They could end up with Lopez, Sullinger, and Terrance Jones.
Didn't NJ trade their last pick for Deron?
And teams can’t trade 2 firsts in a row, right? Or am I remembering this wrong?
I know they still have this years pick
but I thought you can’t trade your first rounder in consecutive years.
Correct.
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by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT
I want a BUC'N criminal investigation.
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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT
by internet commenter on Feb 21, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
You can always trade the pick for the current draft.
You cannot trade future picks in consecutive years.
So you cannot trade your 2013 & 2014 picks.
But if you traded your 2011 pick last year and the new season starts and you still own your 2012 pick, it can be traded.
In fact you can trade away your current pick every single year and never have a draft pick ever.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Feb 22, 2012 2:47 AM EST up reply actions
You're right.
Certainly makes one think if a trade with New Jersey is forthcoming, it won’t be until the deadline.
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by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT
I want a BUC'N criminal investigation.
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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT
by internet commenter on Feb 22, 2012 3:05 AM EST up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing
Except the actual rule is as long as you have at least one first round pick in the next two drafts, you can make a trade of one. For example, even though the Magic traded last year’s 1st pick, they could still trade this year’s first pick because they have one next year.
If the Magic must trade Dwight, Hedo better stay. He needs to retire a Magic.
That's not the way I remember the rule
but I admit I’m not the first one anyone should be quoting as a source on these rules. I could easily be missing some nuance.
Yeah, I probably didn't explain it well, but go by the example
I’m pretty sure that is how the 1st round picks work in trades.
If the Magic must trade Dwight, Hedo better stay. He needs to retire a Magic.
But with that example you could trade your #1 every single year
I thought the rule was supposed to present that? Some sort of history with a bad cavs owner or something? I don’t exactly remember.
No, the rule is to stop you trading *multiple* future firsts
So you can’t trade your 2012, 2013 and 2014 first round picks – you always need to have at least one first round pick in one of the next two drafts.
But that rule resets every time there’s a draft, so as long as you have a 2013 pick, you can trade your 2012 pick. Then the next season, as long as you have a 2014 pick, you can trade your 2013 pick. And so on.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 22, 2012 4:47 AM EST up reply actions
No, not really
It was brought in because the Cavs, under Ted Stepien, had a habit of trading high draft picks in multiple years for washed up old guys (hence the rule being named after him). Think they ended up binning most of their picks from ’81 to ’87, missing out on players like James Worthy, Sam Perkins, Derek Harper and Dennis Rodman.
Hence the change. You can still shaft your future if you’re that dumb – just not quite as bad as you used to be able to.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 22, 2012 8:01 AM EST up reply actions
That's what I meant by pointless
They should either let them make the stupid trades or restrict it to every other year imo, but whatever. It isn’t worth debating really because it is what it is.
It's not fully intended.
The ability to trade your current pick even if you traded your last one is a loop-hole that some team found. The rule isn’t purposefully that pointless.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Feb 22, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
I may add that I still want a fresh GM with clean slate to negotiate with Dwight and his agent in good faith before any trade is attempted.
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If the Magic did trade for Bynum
I’d expect it to a) be in a S&T after the season and b) then involve flipping Bynum for assets/expiring deals/draft picks.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 22, 2012 4:48 AM EST up reply actions
Who is Irvin Johnson?
I am familiar with Earvin Johnson Jr. (Magic).
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Feb 22, 2012 7:47 AM EST up reply actions
I'm familiar with Ervin "Tragic" Johnson...
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Huh? Everybody knew who I meant, and I don't have the time to memorize the god-forsaken varieties of names.
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Time to get younger
If the Magic have no need for Lopez then make sure they get as many 1st rounders from the Nets as possible and raid their roster. Brooks, Morrow and Humphries (maybe) to start have to be in the deal but with a deep draft this year the Magic can get young and ATHLETIC quickly.
I'm pretty burnt out on this stuff.
I’m to the point where I just want something crazy to happen. This saga has dragged on so long and the players involved are always the same.
It’s like I just want to wake up in the morning and it turns out we traded Dwight for Roy Hibbert or something. Just so everyone can be wrong and we can all analyze something new.
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by cgsimone on Feb 21, 2012 2:54 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Plus in that scenario, it would be really funny to see Nets fan reactions
I wish this would just end one way or another as well.
If the Magic must trade Dwight, Hedo better stay. He needs to retire a Magic.
They would be thrilled
No shot Dwight stays in Indiana and Nets would wind up with Dwight, Lopez, Brooks, Hump, DWill, and their #1 pick and Huston #1 pick. Would be a perennial championship contender.
Well, I don't think Nets fans would care since they would get him anyways.
I just think it would be funny. I need humor in my life.
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I don't mind this fiasco dragging on as long as the end result is Dwight staying with the Magic.
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Question for you
If the Nets and Magic do a deal before March 15th, they would likely offering something like:
Lopez, Marshon Brooks, Humphries + their own pick in the 2012 draft + Houstons pick in the 2012 draft (lottery protected) + offer to take back a bad contract like Turkoglu.
Can some of you honestly say that this trade would be WORSE than Bynum straight up for Howard? The Nets would be offering young talent, cap relief, and valuable picks which is ideal for a trade of this magnitude.
Bynum is an injury prone center(yes, I’m aware Brook had a serious injury this season as well), and although he is more valuable than Brook, he’s a free agent after this season anyway.
Just trying to wrap my head around the thinking that the Laker deal would be more attractive then the Nets deal I proposed above.
Good luck tomorrow.
The trade you propose would be better, in my estimation, than a straight Bynum for Howard trade.
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No way
Bynum is a legitimate post presence that can defend pretty good and thus justifies matching offers for Ryan Anderson this summer. Lopez and Anderson would be absolutely horrifying defensively.
Bynum is the best match for Anderson, JJ and the current roster.
Marshon Brooks, Anderson, Lopez < JJ, Anderson, Bynum
But it is very unlikely the Lakers trade for Dwight without a guarantee, so this probably doesn’t matter anyhow.
I agree.
If the strategy was to blow the whole thing up then the Nets offer was the best one. And the Magic should have dealt before the season started.
If the strategy is to attempt to keep him then obviously trade talk is moot.
If the strategy is to remain competitive (which the Magic say it is) then Andrew Bynum is far and away the better choice, because, as MagicLA so correctly pointed out it allows for the Magic to continue playing their system and with their current personnel.
So the only options on the table if the Magic are incorporating any sort of logical process are; don’t trade Howard at all, trade Howard for Bynum.
The Nets trade should no longer be under consideration.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Feb 22, 2012 2:56 AM EST up reply actions
Who would be the center for the half season Bynum would miss each year with injury? (slight exaggeration for effect)
Bob.
by The Dark on Feb 22, 2012 12:54 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
This. Not to mention the, ahem, judgement issues that are going to crop up when Bynum doesn't have vets to keep him in line in Orlando.
I guess it would be nice to have Bynum off the books after next year, but Lopez would come off just as quick and be cheaper, I think.
Brooks is intruiging to me, though I can’t base that in any real-world evidence. It’s just a sense that he could be worth it, and his contract isn’t terrible.
I also just hate Bynum (worth acknowledging an irrational bias).
If Dwight gets dealt from this point on, I like the idea of blowing it up and sucking, and it seems like me that’s easier to do with picks than with Bynum. Should it have been done sooner? Sure, but we’re talking Otis and a new arena here.
Personally, I am of the ‘no-trade’ camp. But if I have to choose between Bynum straight-up and the Nets deal, I still want the Nets deal.
"There's a fine line between 'aging vet' and 'has-been.' Otis Smith treads it more often than most." - EnnBee
As a trade asset Bynum gets you more in return than Lopez.
Of the two which is more likely to lure a team to trade for a lottery pick?
Regardless of whether you like him or not, his dollar value alone ($16.0 m) allows for a larger transaction than Lopez ($4.0 m).
Brooks is an ok player on a horrible team with a great point guard. Teams take the night off when facing NJ. Take M Brooks out of that scenario and those ok numbers plummet.
Fair enough.
I hadn’t really considered trading for Bynum to trade him for picks. That’s a good point.
You’re probably right about Brooks, like I said, I’ve got no real solid reason for liking the kid. He just seems like he has potential-but it could very well be a situational thing.
I just would hate to see Otis extending Bynum and us ending up with a long-term core of Bynum, Anderson, JJ, etc. To me, that just spells 7th-seed in the Eastern conference for years to come.
"There's a fine line between 'aging vet' and 'has-been.' Otis Smith treads it more often than most." - EnnBee
Every road leads to 7th seed status.
There is no trade on the table that is good and leads directly to the Magic being an elite championship contender.
So, feel free to grind axes against Bynum as much as you wish. The whole process no matter what choice is made will be horrible, frustrating, and lengthy. It’s healthy to find catharsis wherever you can.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Feb 22, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
I'd still take Bynum, frankly
With Howard and Williams, the Nets will probably win enough games in what’s left of the season to make their pick mediocre, and we’ll only get the Houston pick if it’s mediocre. Lopez isn’t the type of player any smart team wants to build around, Humphries can’t even get a FA deal and MarShon Brooks is deeply mediocre, although still young, of course.
Plus, most importantly, trading Howard before the season end simply guarantees he’ll leave. As long as there’s a chance he can be convinced to stay, the Magic owe it to themselves to keep him around. When the alternative is a mediocre package like what the Nets have pre-trade deadline, there’s little point trading him now.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 22, 2012 4:53 AM EST up reply actions
Whatever team DH is traded to must take Hedo and Glen Davis
I really wouldnt care what we got in return. The cap relief is worth it in itself.
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
Nah, if cap clearing is what the goal is you have to include J Rich not Davis.
Davis is a 26 year old (6-10 280) PF/C with 3yr / 19.4 million left. J Rich is a 31 year old wing with 3 yr / 18.6 left. It will be way easier to move Davis’ contract in the future.
Only if Davis at some point shows some ability
Say what you will about Richardson’s contract, at least he’s still balling.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 22, 2012 4:54 AM EST up reply actions
2 solid years and 2 bad ones
Are better than 4 bad ones.
I don’t really have any faith Davis will refind his game.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 22, 2012 8:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The Lakers would have to give something else up for sure if they wanted D Howard for Bynum
Go Jags Go Magic
They don't have anything else. Except for maybe Matt Barnes.
That team is Kobe, Bynum, Pau, a bunch of garbage, and Matt Barnes.
by Evan Dunlap on Feb 22, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'd go with McRoberts and Goudelock
McBob (1yr left at 3m) is a useful 6-10 PF with decent game suitable for 4 or 5th big off the bench
…and Goudelock is not bad and can play both guard positions, at 23 he still has some upside and is dirt cheap for 2 years
Goudelock's crazily one-dimensional but the shooting #s are OK, I guess
But he and McRoberts are both pretty “eh.” Neither is the sort of young guy you necessarily ask to be added to a deal. Their ceilings are, what, 9th man on a good team?
In the Bynum scenario, I think we should get back as many assets as possible. If the $'s aren't a problem for future consideration, why not.
- Goudelock can hit the 3 at a solid % and in the Magic 4/1 system he will likely be a better option than Duhon.
- McBob sucks defensively, but he is a way better offensive player than Davis or Clark.
Quick-leaping lefty power forward with explosive hops and great court vision…Mediocre shooter but will fire set shot if left open. Likes to dribble out rebounds. Turnover-prone. Below-average defender.
… rank fifth among all power forwards in True Shooting Percentage….while he shot infrequently, he hit 40.4 percent from 16-23 feet and 38.3 percent of his rare 3-pointers. Nonetheless, it was at the basket (68.8 percent) where he did most of his damage.
…can handle and pass, skills which present a danger to both teams. While he can find the open man (fourth among power forwards in assist rate), he often tries to create plays that aren’t there and makes sloppy turnovers. (JH – ESPN)
No I think talking about players like McRoberts and Goudelock
in a Howard deal is utter ridiculousness.
Where petulance happens
I think the point is that the players in this case are of such low caliber that it's almost laughable
The Jazz got Devin Harris and Derrick Favors for Deron Williams, for example. The Timberwolves got Al Jefferson.
and even Barnes isn't far from being part of the garbage.
He can still defend and rebound but many silly TOs and his offense isn’t exactly what Orlando is looking for.
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