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Orlando Magic 104, Sacramento Kings 97

The Orlando Magic began their four-game road trip in winning fashion Sunday evening, topping the Sacramento Kings, 104-97, despite having star center Dwight Howard mired in foul trouble for much of the game. Through the first three periods, he logged 7:34 of court time, with no points, no rebounds, an assist, and a turnover, yet Orlando headed into the fourth period with a two-point edge on the Kings. That's thanks largely to the efforts of Glen Davis, who filled in admirably for Howard, scoring a season-high 20 points and hauling in eight boards (five on the offensive glass) in just 28 minutes. Jason Richardson stepped up offensively as well, feasting on the Kings' iffy perimeter defense with a team-high 22 points.

With Howard sidelined, the Magic had no one to discourage drives to the lane, allowing Kings guard Tyreke Evans, the 2009/10 Rookie of the Year, to get to the rim almost at will. Richardson respected Evans' outside shot far more than he ought to have, and Evans took advantage by using his quick first step and yo-yo handle to get to the basket and draw contact.

Despite Evans' performance and Howard's absence, Orlando managed to pull out the win with hustle throughout and timely shooting in the fourth period. Though the Kings won the rebounding battle, 45-43, Orlando seemed to reach loose balls more quickly than the Kings did, and its determination to crash the offensive boards helped it secure a 20-8 advantage in second-chance points. In addition, the Magic outrebounded the Kings by an 18-8 margin in the fourth period, which went a long way toward putting the game away.

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Team Pace Efficiency eFG% FT Rate OReb% TO Rate
Magic 91.1 114.2 48.3% 23.0 32.7 11.0
Kings 91.1 106.5 54.1% 24.7 27.8 19.8
Green denotes a stat better than the team's 2010/11 average;
red denotes a stat worse than the team's 2010/11 average.

But the game, as it so often does, came down to shooting. A deep three from Richardson, his third of the game, broke an 87-all tie to give the Magic the lead for good. Three possessions later, Hedo Turkoglu banked in a stepback triple from the right wing to beat the shot clock and push Orlando's lead to four. And Sacramento native Ryan Anderson drilled the clinching trey from the left corner, putting his hometown team in an eight-point hole with 90 seconds to play.

Davis helped keep Orlando in the game when he was needed most, namely in the first and third periods. Howard played fewer than four minutes combined in those quarters, but it scarcely mattered--not from an offensive standpoint, anyway--because Davis put in 17 points in his 18 first- and third-quarter minutes.

Orlando doesn't use Davis the same way it uses Howard, clearly, as he relies heavily on his jump shot--either by facing up or by picking and popping--whereas Howard is almost exclusively a back-to-basket player. But his production in those periods mirrored what one might have expected Howard to post, and so the Magic essentially broke even, if one accepts the premise outlined above.

I don't mean to attribute all of Orlando's win to Davis, but he was by far its most important player Sunday. His standout performance overshadows some other strong showings that deserve mention. Though just a notch above a sieve defensively, Richardson played brilliantly at the other end of the court. He played a more dynamic role in the offense, putting the ball on the floor and getting to the rim; his shot mix of 10 two-pointers and six threes attests to that.

Seldom-used shooting guard Von Wafer, who arrived with Davis via trade with the Boston Celtics prior to training camp, also buoyed the Magic with strong perimeter offense. He has the quickest first step Orlando's had since Steve Francis, and while that point may say more about the Magic's paucity of athletic wings in the last several years than it says about Wafer, it's nonetheless true. He used that first step to great effect Sunday, creating separation from the defense. Quickness doesn't mean much unless one can convert a shot or draw a foul, of course, but Wafer did that. All told, Wafer put in 12 points in 17 minutes (4-of-7 shooting, 3-of-4 on the foul line) and made a strong case for inclusion in coach Stan Van Gundy's regular playing rotation, though he'll have to battle Richardson and J.J. Redick for minutes at shooting guard.

And one has to term Sunday's game a success from Ryan Anderson's perspective. Though he shot just 5-of-16 from the field, he contributed elsewhere, snaring 11 rebounds and drawing eight free-throw attempts. He played better-than-expected team defense as well. He's come under fire from Van Gundy often in the young season for not playing his best unless his shots are dropping. He responded Sunday.

So yes, Orlando needed to hold off a rally from a poor team to earn a victory Sunday, but in context, there are several positives. The excellent energy from tip to horn, getting a win away frmo Amway Center, Anderson's breaking his slump, Davis' boost, Wafer's best Jamal Crawford impression... impressive, all to varying degrees.

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Impressive 4th quarter defense from the Magic

The Magic held Sacramento to 7 of 19 FG shooting (36.8%) in the final quarter for just 18 points. This came after the Kings shot 14 of 18 (77.8%) in the third quarter for 32 points.

Sacramento shot 35 of 53 from two-point range (66.0%) for the game, but only 3 of 20 (15%) from three point range. This was only the seventh time in Magic history that an opposing team made three or fewer three pointers on 20 or more attempts in a game, and the first time in over seven years.

With his foul trouble throughout the first three quarters, this was one of Dwight Howard’s worst career games statistically. It was only the sixth time in Howard’s career that he scored five or fewer points in a game to go with five or fewer rebounds in a game, and the first time in over five years.

Despite the questionable fouls that were called on D12, the Magic wound up going to the FT line 31 times to just 24 times for Sacramento.

This was Ryan Anderson’s third double-double of the season. He had six double-doubles all of last season. Even though he shot just 1 for 8 in the first quarter, he shot 4 of 8 the rest of the way.

This was also Jason Richardson’s first 20+ point, five assist game in a Magic uniform.

Much better ball movement from the Magic tonight than against the Bulls Friday. The Magic had 24 assists on 37 field goals, compared to 16 assists on 38 field goals for the Kings.

Even though Jameer Nelson shot just 2 of 6 in 30 minutes, he had six assists to just two turnovers.

The Magic actually get two days off before their next game Wednesday at Portland.

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by Mike from Illinois on Jan 9, 2012 12:42 AM EST reply actions  

Uh oh Evan

You complimented Anderson. I think there is a particular commentor who will try and argue with you.

by JeffShann3 on Jan 9, 2012 1:11 AM EST reply actions  

I didn't watch the game because work

but i was wondering why Dwight clocked in 20 minutes. well with the big and physical guys the kings got it was bound to happen. from what i read Glen and J-rich had good games with wafer helping from the bench. turk did ok and J.J’s in a slump again. Ryan trying make up for the bulls game. but the main thing that bugs me is jameer. i love that he’s setting up teammates for good baskets, but has he lost all confidence in his shot? i mean he’s suppose to be our second in command guy. and more or less a scoring PG. .

by Lil J on Jan 9, 2012 2:15 AM EST reply actions  

maybe he's tanking because he doesn't want to get traded...

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Jan 9, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

If Howard goes, so too Nelson

It’s Howard who continues to block Nelson’s possible trade.

The fact that Howard has voiced his desire to leave the magic, should open the doors for Nelson to be traded too. He no longer has any leverage.

At this point in case anybody’s guess as to why we have not made a trade A trade with Nelson. A package with Nelson, J. Richardson, and Quentin Richardson could possibly net Williams for the Magic.

If the magic executed a separate deal with Howard and Hedo’s contract, for Bynum, another player, and a pick; we might end up with both Bynum AND Williams, plus the pick, players AND cap space to sign a star free agent. That will give the Magic a solid foundation for the future.

What we should NOT do, is trade away our only good, young assets, Redick and Anderson in ANY trade.

by manny55 on Jan 11, 2012 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Good Game By Our Other Players Not Named Dwight

Even though it was against Sacramento, it was a fun seeing our other players step up and win this game with D12 in foul trouble. Big Baby played great on both ends tonite, and Jason Richardson had a great game overall. It was good to see Anderson battle on the boards when his shot wasn’t falling, and make shots towards the end. Wafer needs to play more, in my opinion, because of his quick first step, his ability to drive to the basket, and hit 3’s. Nelson needs to wake up and start playing at a much higher level.

Overall, nice win, even though it was discouraging to hear what Dwight and Otis had to say to the orlando sentinel earlier…hope Dwight changes his mind

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by supermantotherescue on Jan 9, 2012 3:27 AM EST reply actions  

J-Rich no question

And what did they say in the Sentinel??

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Jan 9, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Nothing good.

From the article:

“I think his leaving or going has nothing to do with Orlando,” Smith said of Howard. “I think he wants a bigger market. I can’t do anything about that.”
“I’ve talked to ’Melo,” Howard said. "I’ve talked to a lot of guys.

“It’s the same thing: You have to do what’s best for you, regardless of what anybody else says. It’s your life and you have to live it your way. You can’t do it how everybody wants you to do it or be afraid or be upset about what people are saying, because they’re not the ones that have to go through it. Sometimes, you’ve got to make tough decisions, and you’ve got to always take care of you and your family first, because nobody else will.”

There was also this article on Yahoo!:

"I don’t think they are going to do anything right now because we’re winning," Howard said. "Even if this is the last season, let’s go out hard, regardless."

I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?

by EnnBee on Jan 9, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I HATE Otis.

What good does it do you to call out the guy you’re trying to retain? What good does it do you to try and get as much value for as you can on the trade market?

Seriously. Instead of the Q&A Josh Robbins did, I would love for a writer to get interview him and really grill him with the tough questions, not so much about Dwight but about his own decisions that have driven said player into the angry position he now holds.

Dwight heard/read those quotes from Otis this morning, and he’s probably pissed about them.

#FireOtis

by JeffShann3 on Jan 9, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I completely agree with you, however...

It is also entirely possible that what Otis is saying is true and he truly knows there is nothing that can change his mind.

For example, as I’ve thought and read more about Adidas and their desire to have Dwight in a large market that is not Chicago, the more convinced I am that it is their endorsement deal he is talking about when Dwight talks about “taking care of your family.” Adidas is reportedly signing Rose to a lifetime contract worth $250 million. Dwight’s deal with them is up after this season and they are in negotiations for the next one. Is it not possible Adidas is telling him, “You can get $200 million in NY or LA or $100 million in a smaller market”?

If that is the case, and I increasingly think it is, then it doesn’t matter that the Magic can pay more or if they are winning or anything else. If Dwight is looking to hit the Adidas lottery and it only pays off in a big market, there really isn’t anything the Magic can do to keep him and Otis is stating the obvious.

Generally, people avoid outright lying at all costs and will instead give a misleading statement that is actually true when viewed a certain way or with additional information. If you presume the Adidas payday is as described above, all of the seemingly contradictory statements from the many parties involved make sense.

I really hope it isn’t this, but I’m less and less convinced.

I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?

by EnnBee on Jan 9, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be really, really sad if that was the case.

Not because Dwight would be leaving, but because he thinks he would need an extra 100 million to be happy. If he chose a 100 million deal over 10, that makes sense but when it comes to this astronomical amount of money, I think its a little ridiculous to allow a shoe company to control your childhood dream of playing professional basketball, its just sad.

I’d actually liken it to a player in college shaving points or throwing games for a payout.

I’d question that figure though on the shear fact that Rose is a popular guard from a popular college, and young kids see themselves more as guards than centers. It’s why Shaq’s deals were terrible.

by JeffShann3 on Jan 9, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I totally made up the Dwight numbers

I’m just saying that if Adidas is really paying Rose the reported $250 million, they are probably offering Dwight quite a bit of bank and would certainly be able to tell him that it will be way less if not in the right market.

And you are right that it is terribly sad. It also means that the CBA provisions to help teams keep their own players is pretty worthless for the teams it should most protect since their shoe money likely dwarfs their basketball money.

I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?

by EnnBee on Jan 9, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally

I feel this is the case and yes it is sad. Oh well, I was a rabid Magic fan long before Howard came along and will be long after he retires.

Proudly delusional...

by Satch30 on Jan 9, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

For me the choice is a simple one, I’m not going to start hating the Magic, I’m just going to start hating Adidas. No more shoe or apparel purchases from me.

Please leave a message, I'm busy hiding my cat from TGS.

by malenko on Jan 10, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. I kinda' hate that I bought some Dwight shoes a few years ago. :/

It’s tough living in California and being a Magic fan already. I always think I should try to root for (or at least follow) the Warriors but I can’t seem to do it. It’s been 8 years since I’ve lived in Orlando and I’m still a Magic fan. I guess I just don’t know how to quit them.

I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?

by EnnBee on Jan 10, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Orlando Magic is a piece of home

At least for me anyway. I moved to Seattle nearly 10 years ago (I actually really hate Florida and had to leave), but I’m still crazy about the Magic. I got into the Sonics a bit while they were here, but the Magic were always first in my heart.

Despite trying, I just cannot get into any other team because I’ve been a Magic fan for a little over 20 years (I started watching during their second season).

If the Magic must trade Dwight, Hedo better stay. He needs to retire a Magic.

by funny80sguy on Jan 10, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a Filipino Magic fan

I live in the Philippines and I’ve never been outside my country, but I have been a Magic fan since I was a kid during the Shaq-Penny days. Though during those days I wasn’t really able to follow the team since I was just a kid and PH is a Jordan-Kobe/Lebron country, it’s the team I always played as in NBA Live and later 2k. I’ve only started to really follow(devotedly) since I think 2008. I always end up arguing with my friends who mostly are Lakers/Celtics/Heat fans. I’ve never been to Orlando, but I was a Magic fan and will always be a Magic fan even after D12 era.

by gm.zyn on Jan 10, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

No matter what the case is, there is no sense in Otis Smith making the statements of the kind that serve no purpose in a positive manner, even if true.

I am not discounting that the shoe deal could depend on which market Dwight is playing at, but it is certainly more related to playing on a winning team because that is, primarily, where his stock – hence the shoe sale – goes up. Regardless, Dwight is a popular global player, and Adidas does not want to lose that endorsement as much as Dwight is keen in wining it.

by Matt1325 on Jan 10, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Even if Otis is telling the absolute truth...

You can’t say that publicly. You just can’t. There are only two logical explanations for saying that publicly.

  1. Otis is just trying to win a PR battle and save face by pinning more blame on Dwight’s desires than his own failed personnel moves over the past few years.
  1. Otis is just that dumb to not realize that saying that publicly weakens an already weakened state of leverage in trade talks.

Either way, OTIS SHOULD BE FIRED.

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by slickw143 on Jan 10, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly.

And if he is trying to win a PR battle, he is even more idiotic than I already perceived him to be.

by JeffShann3 on Jan 10, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Compared to a 26 year old kid who has millions in the bank and wants more????

I do not like Otis the GM, but I remember a certain kid saying he would play in Orlando as long as the fans want him here. Now he has to take care of family? He is going to bank almost $500 mil over the next decade, if he stays healthy(NBA contract plus endorsements.) All he cares about is image.

I was of the belief of let him see if he will turn down $30 million, but apparently it seems like Adidas is going to cover those costs. I say dump him and get as many picks as possible. Also I can’t believe I am going to say this, but I honestly think Jameer should be traded now instead of Turk. Jameer just looks awful. I mean damn, and I am the biggest Jameer homer.

Trade Machine is down, so no one can do anything, but something needs to happen. There is no appeasing Dwight. I wouldn’t mind a three team trade where we get Gasol, Beasley, Randolph(he is awful I know but he is a body) and the two Laker first round picks. And maybe a Minny pick for the future. I would even send Anderson to LA. Bynum would go to Minny. Magic flip Gasol for an expiring contract and another draft pick in 2012. 4 draft picks in this draft are really great.

Roll Bass and War Ryno for me

by Mateo9399 on Jan 10, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not about the money for Dwight, and I don't think it's about the image.

It’s about championships. That’s the ultimate goal in this profession, and your career is only so long (and only one devastating injury away from being over immediately). Dwight wants to win a championship. He’d stay in Orlando if he thought that he’d have the best chance to win one there, but he’s not so sure, and honestly the rest of us aren’t so sure either. Nearly all this blame falls at Otis’s feet.

I like to watch.

by MoveThoseChains on Jan 10, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

If it were about the championships he would ask to go to Chicago

Not the always and still terrible Nets. Period.

I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?

by EnnBee on Jan 10, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

EnnBee's hit the nail on the head

Not to say winning isn’t very high on Howard’s list, but if that was the most important thing there’s no way Howard pushes NJ as his leading choice. If it is, and Howard is under the impression that him and Williams make for instant championship contenders, then maybe Otis shouldn’t be taking as much flak for not listening to Howard on personal moves then he is, because it would seem that Howard doesn’t know wtf he’s talking about.

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by malenko on Jan 10, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely J-Rich's.

That “defense” of his is simply not going to cut it.

I like to watch.

by MoveThoseChains on Jan 9, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ok...in response to the two people above ^

How about the situation where you move J-Rich into the backup SF role, and start JJ in the SG spot with Wafer as his backup?

Starting: Nelson, JJ, Hedo, Anderson, Howard
Backup: Duhon, Wafer, J-Rich, Davis, Davis
3rd Opt: Hughes, Liggins, Q-Rich, Clark/Harper, Clark/Orton

Honestly that doesn’t sit to bad with me. Despite the mini-slump he’s in now, Redick has played great so far this season. However pulling J-Rich out means that there are basically zero pure “athletic” wings in the starting lineup. JJ would be the most adept at drawing fouls — a sad statement for a team that already has trouble getting to the FT line.

On the flip side, the reserve unit would be suprisingly athletic. Wafer and J-Rich at the wings with Davis on the front line…that lineup could probably breakdown a lot of backup units.

I don’t imagine that happening, though.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Jan 9, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I like those lineups.

As J-Rich declines, he also draws less fouls and is less athletic anyway, which is what we’re already seeing. Putting JJ into the starting lineup just adds a more efficient shooter without taking much away. And then maybe J-Rich can have a little more success against backups.

I like to watch.

by MoveThoseChains on Jan 10, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

In my opinion, this is the key to Orlando's success.

I have said many times by now – though not recently – that we’re better off as a team if Dwight is not our first offensive option. Looking at our current roster, I’m not sure who could that be if not him – perhaps Anderson(?) – and quite honestly, I’m not even sure he would allow for something like that to take a place, but yes, assuming he stays with us, that is how he is going to win his first ring. And then second, and third, and so on and so forth :-)

by Mr. Hyde on Jan 9, 2012 6:10 AM EST reply actions  

Alright, alright; I got carried away a bit, but my point remains the same, we could be a contender again – yes, this team – if we could just promote someone else into our leading scorer.

by Mr. Hyde on Jan 9, 2012 6:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Anderson, Turkoglu, Redick, and Duhon (?!?) all have better TS% than Dwight

I don’t necessarily agree with D getting fewer touches, but if the Magic went that route, those are the high-minute players most deserving of more shots so far in the season

Bob.

by The Dark on Jan 9, 2012 12:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I think the larger point here is that

the Magic offense works best when the ball is moving crisply through multiple people, rather than being static. Dwight is great, but if every possession is a Dwight iso or post-up play, the Magic are going to lose. You still run the offense through Dwight, but you have to hope that that creates more opportunities for the rest of the team. Balance has always been better for this team.

I like to watch.

by MoveThoseChains on Jan 9, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I didnt get to see the game. Great write up Evan

1 question for the field. How did Howard get into such bad foul trouble? I cant imagine Sac’s bigs would give DH trouble

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Jan 9, 2012 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

2 flops in the first 2 minutes.

Cousins was selling everything by hitting the deck in situations (like transition) where refs aren’t quite looking.

I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?

by EnnBee on Jan 9, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Its great that Davis came in and basically saved the game but at some point SVG needs to put Orton in the game and see what he's got in him

Going up against the best defensive player in the league in practice will not give you a good evaluation of one’s ability

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Jan 9, 2012 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

Having played what, like 500 total minutes since high school, doesn't give you a good ...ability.

He’ll play when he’s ready. If he’s embarrassing himself in practice, he’ll certainly embarrass himself in a game situation too. I almost wish SVG would play him just to show the fans how unready Orton is, but I also want to win.

I like to watch.

by MoveThoseChains on Jan 9, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The one game I saw Orton play in he hit 2 15 ft. baseline jumpers easily

Nobody here is saying that he should get shots. He is a close 7 footer. I would like to see if he can rebound or defend

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Jan 9, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

That he can’t even get minutes in a game where we had stretches of Anderson at center and Clark at PF tells you a lot of what his practice performances must be like…

as for those two shots – they were in end of game garbage minutes in preseason vs players that got cut by Miami…

by MagicLA on Jan 9, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't understand how this is a hard concept for some to grasp.

"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07

by slickw143 on Jan 10, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Silly me for wanting our youngest player to get some PT

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Jan 10, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

get PT?

He averaged 3 pts 3 rebs as a fresh at Kentucky coming off the bench and he thought it would be a good idea to enter the draft. Why was he even drafted?

by DoubleNickel on Jan 10, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

There's not a team in the NBA you can say that about with certainty. Especially on the road.

Take the best player away from most teams, and you’re not left with a lot of separation otherwise. I mean, if you match up Tyreke Evans, DeMarcus Cousins, and Marcus Thornton with J-Rich, Jameer, and Ryan Anderson… I think I’d go with the Kings’ core on most nights. Luckily, the Kings didn’t have solid games from anyone else other than Hickson and Jason Thompson, while Davis and Von Wafer were very productive in their minutes.

This was a good win given the circumstances. I mean, we could’ve just lost to them like the Lakers did without Bynum this year.

"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07

by slickw143 on Jan 10, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

One small thing really bugged me about watching Ryan Anderson during this game

Consistently when the Kings were at the free throw line and shooting the second shot, the Kings would routinely shove Ryan to under the basket (legally) to get into prime position for a rebound. Most of the time, the Kings made that second free throw, so the point is moot, but it bothers me that he seems to lack strength for the power forward slot and can be easily shoved out of position. I hope this doesn’t bear out the rest of the year.

If the Magic must trade Dwight, Hedo better stay. He needs to retire a Magic.

by funny80sguy on Jan 10, 2012 3:00 PM EST reply actions  

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