Chicago Bulls 97, Orlando Magic 83
The Orlando Magic fell to the Chicago Bulls, 97-83, on Friday in a game which underscored the distance between them and the East's elite. Dwight Howard posted 28 points, 15 boards, two assists, and two blocked shots, but did not get enough help from his teammates. Chicago, in contrast, had three players score 20-plus points, and another just shy at 18. It also outrebounded the Magic, 46-37, and did a better job controlling the ball, committing 12 turnovers to Orlando's 18. "Quite simply, we are not at that level," Magic coach Stan Van Gundy said in his opening remarks after the game. That point is a difficult one to contest.
That the Bulls outscored the Magic by 10 points in second-chance opportunities and grabbed one-third of their own misses tells only part of the story. "They react to things quicker [and] go a lot harder," Van Gundy said. "They understand the value of possessions. We're not nearly physical enough in terms of blocking people out," he continued.
Van Gundy said three factors led to Orlando's defeat: rebounding, turnovers, and ball movement. He said the last point is one he's discussed with his coaching staff prior to Friday, but will begin to address with the team soon. Orlando came out with plenty of energy and moved the ball well, creating open looks on the weak side and forcing the Bulls to rotate. The energy wore thin, though, and Orlando's offense ground to a halt as players started looking for their own shot.
| Team | Pace | Efficiency | eFG% | FT Rate | OReb% | TO Rate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Bulls | 89.3 | 108.7 | 48.8% | 15.1 | 33.3 | 13.4 |
| Magic | 89.3 | 93.0 | 44.7% | 21.3 | 22.0 | 20.2 |
| Green denotes a stat better than the team's 2010/11 average; red denotes a stat worse than the team's 2010/11 average. | ||||||
In assessing the loss, point guard Jameer Nelson kept a level head. "It's tough; it's not like they basically killed us in half court defense." He's right, in a sense, with one notable exception: Luol Deng, who torched Orlando in the halfcourt, one-on-one, with 21 points on 8-of-16 shooting. Carlos Boozer and Derrick Rose combined for 41 points, but shot just 16-of-37 from the floor to get there. Kyle Korver came off the Bulls' bench and pumped in 18 points in 31 minutes, and as Van Gundy pointed out, at least two of Korver's five three-pointers came off second-chance opportunities.
With Orlando trying to rally in the fourth quarter, Van Gundy played Hedo Turkoglu at power forward, moving away from starter Ryan Anderson and backup Glen Davis. Van Gundy was dissatisfied with Anderson's performance, saying four times "he didn't get in the battle" against Chicago. After the game, Anderson approached Howard, a team co-captain, at Howard's locker for an extended, private conversation. He later explained he wanted to assure Howard he doesn't want to let him down, and he knows he needs to play better.
Jason Richardson scored 17 points, second only to Howard in the Magic scoring column, but his performance didn't particularly impress. The 6-of-13 shooting from the field is okay. But he added just three rebounds and two assists in 36 minutes while committing four turnovers, throwing several other poor passes, and whiffing defensively. This night wasn't one of Richardson's better ones, despite his scoring. Ordinarily, the Magic can rely on J.J. Redick to provide some scoring when Richardson struggles, but Redick played even worse. He missed all four of his shot attempts and scored just 1 point in 22 minutes. He left the locker room without addressing the media.
Indeed, Orlando got precious little from its role players. Van Gundy complimented the play of Davis and backup point guard Chris Duhon, saying they were the only two of his players to "make a concerted effort to help our offense." Davis shot just 2-of-8 from the floor for 8 points, but hauled in 10 rebounds and shied away from taking long jumpers, instead trying to drive to the basket. The boxscore says the Bulls blocked Davis only twice, but that figure seems low to me. At all rates, Davis and his Magic teammates struggled to convert in the immediate basket area, and Friday's game would have been far closer had they finished those plays.
Duhon, for his part, dished a team-high four assists in 16 minutes. He also struggled to keep his man in front of him defensively, however, yielding open driving lanes to Rose and even lightly regarded backup John Lucas III.
This is not a game Orlando will want to remember, but it's one it ought to: performances like Friday's happen when the team does not play cohesively.
The Magic have signs reading TOUGH SMART TOGETHER throughout their locker room, but Friday they allowed Chicago to adopt that mantra.
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I really dont see how every team in the NBA cant beat us
Single cover Dwight and man up tight on the shooters. Ryan, J-Rich and Hedo have no answer to this…
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jan 7, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
Ryan can go to the hoop, Hedo does a high PnR with Dwight and everthing opens up, and J-Rich when agressive drives to the hoop which can again open shots up
Also, Jameer can drive the lane and also hit any shot so they can’t really just sag off him. And if we’re getting shots, no matter if they are 2’s or 3’s, we have to play our defense and not let them get high quality shots. Not a lot of teams can beat us because we don’t leave and die by the three, we leave and die by our defense. If we play great defense, we can take chances and let some 3’s fly, but if we let them score then we become forced to shoot 3’s and that’s when we become easy to defend
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
Ryan and JJ didn't show up in this particular game, bad for us...!!!
But Jameer is a pain to watch, he’s totally lost, SVG needs to sit him a couple of games!
Nelson is not even tradeable at this point
I want a new PG….
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jan 7, 2012 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
Should've traded for A. Miller when we had the chance..
by Memphissleek on Jan 7, 2012 1:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's starting off slow. If/when he get's up to speed, he's better for our system then just about any other PG imo
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
The off. rebounds CHI was getting was ridiculous.
Leaving Korver wide open for 3’s, there was a stretch of, like, 4 straight possessions where they threw the ball out of bounds. Just ridiculous.
At least the Magic didn't give up when it was 62-45 Bulls
That was at the 9:11 mark of the third quarter. The rest of the quarter, the Bulls shot just 4 of 17 as the Magic cut their deficit to 73-62 going into the fourth quarter. The Magic continued to chip away at the Bulls’ lead in the fourth, coming as close as 80-77 with 6:03 remaining.
From that point on though, the Magic finished the game shooting 1 for 8 from the field in scoring just 6 points the remaining 6:03.
The Magic held the Bulls to 15 of 44 FG (34.1%) in the second half, compared to 23 of 42 FGs (54.8%) in the first half. But the Magic shot just 12 of 30 FGs (40%) in that second half, so they couldn’t really take advantage of the Bulls’ cold second-half shooting.
Ryan Anderson and J.J. Redick combined to shoot 2 of 14 from the field, including 1 for 8 on threes. Six points on 14 shots from your best shooters won’t get the job done.
Not surprised that Coach Van Gundy was unhappy with the ball movement, with just 15 assists on 30 baskets. Compare that to the Bulls, who had 27 assists on 38 baskets, and outscored the Magic 84-67 from the field.
Jameer Nelson’s 3 of 9 shooting night now has his FG% at 37.3% for the season. I don’t necessarily mind that his FG percentage is so low, as long as he’s doing a good job of running the offense. He was doing so prior to the Bulls’ game, with an assist/turnover ratio of about 2 1/2 to 1. Against the Bulls, though, Nelson having more turnovers (3) than assists (2) really hurt.
The Bulls outshot and outrebounded the Magic, as well as having a much better assist/turnover ratio. Last time the Bulls and Magic played last April, they barely defeated the Magic by three points, and the Magic were without D12.
As good as the Bulls were last season, they look improved this season. Derrick Rose’s scoring is down, but his assists and his efficiency are up. His teammates are giving him plenty of help on the offensive side, and their bench is deep. The defense looks to be just as good as last season’s was, but with an improved offense.
As for the Magic, they’re going to have to bounce back from this loss.
Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 Stanley Cup Champions, and future 2012 Champs
Chicago Bears... the end of the ten year Jerry Angelo Era after one NFC Title
Orlando Magic... 1995 and 2009 Eastern Conference Champions
by Mike from Illinois on Jan 7, 2012 1:20 AM EST reply actions
im pretty sure
hes a longtime magic fan
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Correct, Jeff
The Bulls are my home area team, I’m a huge Derrick Rose fan, and I root for the Bulls whenever they don’t play the Magic, but the Magic have been my favorite team since they came into the league in ‘89-’90.
In case anyone is interested in why, my profile explains.
Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 Stanley Cup Champions, and future 2012 Champs
Chicago Bears... the end of the ten year Jerry Angelo Era after one NFC Title
Orlando Magic... 1995 and 2009 Eastern Conference Champions
by Mike from Illinois on Jan 7, 2012 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
You're OK, Mike
We all appreciate your objective analysis and candor. Glad to have you…
Hi guys, I’m back.
This is the second game in four, that key Magic players have signed-off… just don’t know why… Anderson, JJ, Jameer, even Richardson! But in this one we started hot, even staged a comeback… Twice! Is there something going on in the lockers???
This sends the wrong message to Dwight and the rest of the League. And what’s with Jason R.? I thought we only signed him as part of a sign-n-trade strategy; NOT to keep him. We don’t need this type of player; we don’t want him. Even when he’s scoring; he messes up other aspects of our game… defense, passing, rebounding, etc. And still no movement to bring fresh, energetic players to help Dwight… Otis makes me sick!
Thanks for the complementary words, Manny
Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 Stanley Cup Champions, and future 2012 Champs
Chicago Bears... the end of the ten year Jerry Angelo Era after one NFC Title
Orlando Magic... 1995 and 2009 Eastern Conference Champions
by Mike from Illinois on Jan 7, 2012 4:49 AM EST up reply actions
Mike is the guy
That stopped us from jumping through the window back in the 3rd quarter collapse days with his positive analysis despite the bad outcomes proved by stats.
Me Against The World And I'm Winning
by Andeezy on Jan 7, 2012 9:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Chicago rebounds about 1/3 of their misses because of Boozer, Deng, Noah, Asik and Gibson rebounding.
Rose got 8 rebounds as well.
Gundy needs to realize that he cannot play Turkoglu against the Bulls. Deng owns Turkoglu.
Also, Bulls realized last year that you do not double Howard. Just make it hard for him. He will get his points. Just make sure you make it difficult and make him make some FTs. As long as you man cover the remaining 4 players Orlando are in trouble.
How can the Magic overcome this? I don’t know.
Not having QRich hurt a bit tonight.
He could’ve been given a shot at slowing Deng.
"...sometimes your eyes lie to you..." ~SVG | I'm on Twitter
by magicfaninTN on Jan 7, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I credit the Magic for not giving up but...
…Chicago is just plain better. There’s no way around it. sigh
Random thoughts
I’m not sure the Bulls can play much better, yet I know the Magic can do better. Magic had a chance, being down only 3 midway through the third.
Seemed like every time we got close though, the Bulls hit a second gear that we didnt have, usually with a Korver 3 to go on a 5-0 or 7-0 mini-run. COuple more D rebounds and those three don’t happen.
I don’t like SVG pulling the plug on Ryan. We need to develop him at all costs. He needs confidence, and the short hook isn’t helping.
Man it would be nice to be able to trot out the twin towers look with Gortat.
It would be nice to trot out Gortat even if not in the twin towers. #OTIS #FACEPALM
"...sometimes your eyes lie to you..." ~SVG | I'm on Twitter
by magicfaninTN on Jan 7, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan was playing horrible. 2-10 from the floor and he wasn't putting as much energy into crashing the boards as he usually does.
Compare that with the play of Davis(energetic, crashed the boards, tried to get into the paint) and it’s a no-brainer that SVG put him in for Ryan.
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
Quick thoughts
Tough to make out what this team is really all about just yet, only 8 games in, so I will try to avoid any huge sweeping judgments.
The Magic played pretty well in the first quarter, albeit giving up too many second chance opportunities. They shot the ball fairly well and had good energy as Evan mentioned. I liked the way they came out attacking the rim, but I felt Hedo took a step back toward last season’s version than what he has been like through most of these first 7 games.
Jameer needs to get out of his little shooting funk, and it seemed like if one of either JJ or Anderson didn’t play flat-out awful that we still could have won this game. Another superb effort from Dwight. He has really been bringing it since Christmas. The Bulls seemed to make a lot of long jumpers tonight, so I can’t really fault the D too much. Those are the shots you want teams taking. I am not familiar enough with the Bulls offense to know if those are their normal ways of scoring and if they look to shoot that many jumpers, but from my past experiences watching them play, they usually relied on corner 3s, as well as Rose and Deng drives to the hoop.
The bad luck/awful effort to get defensive boards and prevent second chance opportunities is what really killed us tonight. You cannot give good teams like the Bulls multiple opportunities to score and still expect to win, plain and simple.
I think there is plenty of room for improvement on this team. Are we ready to compete on the same level as teams like Chicago? No, not right now. I do feel however that they have the potential to get there if we get some more consistent play from our wings and rebounding overall.
As for your questions about the Bulls' offense...
…they didn’t shoot as many long jumpers as you might have thought against the Magic. The Bulls actually scored 38 points in the paint (according to the espn.com box score), along with the 24 points on three pointers. 62 of their 84 points from the floor came from either points in the paint or three pointers.
Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 Stanley Cup Champions, and future 2012 Champs
Chicago Bears... the end of the ten year Jerry Angelo Era after one NFC Title
Orlando Magic... 1995 and 2009 Eastern Conference Champions
by Mike from Illinois on Jan 7, 2012 4:44 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, that really is surprising. Thanks for that Mike.
Maybe it just stood out to me more in the 1st for some reason as I was getting exasperated with all the jumpers being fired in.
Lots of open shots
that were being made in previouse games didn’t fall tonight. One thing for certain…we need a point guard.
i think we need a backup C or backup wing more
it would be nice to have a wing come off the bench, like Pietrus did during the ’09 run.. maybe try and get james posey with our MLE…or see if we can get Joel Pryzbilla if he decides to come back
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by supermantotherescue on Jan 7, 2012 3:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm concerned
I know its early but the magic are struggling against the good teams.
"I may be wrong...but I doubt it"~Charles Barkley
by JGutta on Jan 7, 2012 3:10 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Yuuuup!
Our five wins: Houston, New Jersey, Toronto, Charlotte, Washington. Zero of those teams in the playoffs last year. Our three losses: Detroit (not too worried about that one because it WAS the sixth game in nine days), OKC (top five team), Chicago (ditto).
Whenever Sun Sports shows the preview of the next five games, I instantly start deciding whether the Magic will likely win or lose. Our next five games: @ Kings (win or I’m hanging myself), @ Portland (loss), @ Golden State (my gut says win even though Warriors are improving and they beat us in Oakland last season), @ Knicks (if they can’t beat Toronto or Charlotte we BETTER get that one), Charlotte (win)
@ Portland
that will be a tough one because of the atmosphere and the team is pretty good, but the way they looked last night against PHX in the first half? Yeesh.
Ryan Anderson
just when i thought i could trust him all season long, he chokes in a big game like this. Hopefully he will come up big next time we play a powerhouse in the East or West.
Nelson still looks like he is out of basketball shape, and needs to pick his game up as well.. J Rich had a nice offensive game but messed up everywhere else, which is why I hope we get a backup sf or start using Clark/Harper/Q more off the bench to rest J Rich. Redick disappointed today as well…I liked Big Baby’s effort today, hopefully he hits more shots, but it was nice seeing him not shoot that long 2 as much…and Duhon is not horrible anymore, even though I’d still like to see Von Wafer play more since he woulda driven the ball in the lane
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by supermantotherescue on Jan 7, 2012 3:51 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
A lot of things just bad
1st Anderson chokes against good teams. He always disappears when we need him most. 2nd Stans coaching. i like stan and what he has done for this team. but i truly question him and his ability to adjust in crucial games. also what’s the point of clark,harper,liggins,wafer, hughes, q-rich, and orton if we’re not gonna use them. and turk is a liability at the 4 against a good rebounding team. your telling me that a limpy glen is better then clark or harper? bull. this 8 man rotation is not gonna work all the time. because if J.J isn’t doing well we have no bench. try the young guys. try the veterans. 3rd defense leads to offence and the bulls showed that to us.
And that's why we need to get rid of SVG
We have players, big bodies, but we stay chucking threes and falling further behind. Clark could’ve shut down Deng, and has been talked about being used as a stopper, so when is that gonna happen?
SVG says this and that, but he’s only lying to the fans. He stays with his formula of shooting Threes and not crashing for boards. Just shoot the three, run back on defense, hit or miss. His offense is not made for DH. it’s perfect for the college game.
I expect the team losing to all teams that single cover Howard, because our team is a bunch of so-so lazy shooters with movement and shoddy Defense.
by REP96st on Jan 7, 2012 8:56 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Your right ....
plus forget winning anything as lond as meer is our starting PG whether Dwight stays or goes!
Clark wouldn't have shut down Deng and is a liability on the offensive end
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 7, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Q-Rich on the other hand
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
REC'd
"...sometimes your eyes lie to you..." ~SVG | I'm on Twitter
by magicfaninTN on Jan 7, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Clark is not even a option on offense
why would he be a liability, if the ball doesn’t even go to him??
WLOBK
b/c then they are playing 4 on 5 on the offensive end. It is hard enough to score on Chicago’s defense when you’re playing 5 on 5.
"...sometimes your eyes lie to you..." ~SVG | I'm on Twitter
by magicfaninTN on Jan 7, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
NONSENSE.
Rose: option.
Deng: option
Boozer: option
Everyone else is on the floor moving. If they get the opportunity, they take it. It’s a 5on5 game, but that doesn’t mean everyone is a option to score on the regular.
wut?
"...sometimes your eyes lie to you..." ~SVG | I'm on Twitter
by magicfaninTN on Jan 7, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
smh at you
You said:
Clark is not even a option on offense why would he be a liability, if the ball doesn’t even go to him??Clark is a liability on offense, because he is not an option on offense.
You do know the definition of “liability,” no?
Teams don’t have to cover Clark because his offense is sooooo bad. Just like the struggle Orlando had versus the Celtics in the 2010 playoffs because of Matt Barnes.
This means opposing defenses can double-cover another Magic player who would be an offensive threat (i.e. not a liability); thus further shutting down the Orlando offense.
If Orlando did play Clark in the way you are suggesting, then it would actually be SVG’s fault that the team lost.
I have no idea why you listed 3 Bulls players with “option.” Those guys are not options for the Magic’s offense, ‘cause they don’t play for the Magic.
"...sometimes your eyes lie to you..." ~SVG | I'm on Twitter
You DO seem to forget that Barnes was our Starter, huh?
He wasn’t a go-to guy, he was our defensive stopper.
Except Barnes could you know- Actually, shoot the ball
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 7, 2012 1:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Barnes?? can Shoot??
HAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! wow! -why didn’t we re-sign him then? We should’ve started him instead of turk then if he’s such a Scoring threat! HAHA!
Barnes could shoot the 3 and do some nice cuts. That's all we neded him to do and Clark can't do that
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
Barnes has a career eFG% of .511. Clark is at .403. Turk is at .495 for his career. So yes, Barnes is more of a shooter than Turk, and both are FAR superior to Clark.
Bob.
by The Dark on Jan 8, 2012 2:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
"This means opposing defenses can double-cover another Magic player who would be an offensive threat (i.e. not a liability); thus further shutting down the Orlando offense."
Um, we lost to the Hawks because they didn’t double Howard and force the Magic to “try” to beat them with the three point shot.
Coupled with lame defense, we got rocked.
You just made my point as to why Clark should not be on the floor.
"...sometimes your eyes lie to you..." ~SVG | I'm on Twitter
by magicfaninTN on Jan 7, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How??
I didn’t say “have him on the floor to shoot.” I said have him on the floor to play Defense. We have The most dominant Center in the game. He should touch the ball constantly. First option every go-around.
Clark should be used for defense, rebounds and put backs… That’s it.
I see why you don't like SVG as a coach.
"...sometimes your eyes lie to you..." ~SVG | I'm on Twitter
So just to recap
You didn’t like Barnes as a starter because he couldn’t shoot -as you admit – but you think Earl Clark – who is even worse offensively – should play because he’s a defensive stopper?
K, got it. Thanks for these pearls of wisdom.
The Hawks beat us because we couldn't shoot the ball. There were times when we had open shots and they simply wouldn't go in.
If Clark is on the floor, SVG will expect him to move the ball around and I don’t trust him doing that. Too many times he’ll try to take his man off the dribble and then doing something stupid. Until he can hit a jumper, CONSISTENTLY, I don’t want him on the floor unless someone gets hurt or Turk/Q-Rich can’t guard the guy. Turk did an okay job against Deng and Clark doesn’t do nearly as much for our offense as Turk does. Ando don’t even THINK about putting Turk at the 4 against Boozer and having Clark in. It just doesn’t work
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
woah woah woah
All i keep hearing is clark is a liability on offence. what about glen? he’s been terrible. but i don’t hear him being a liability. the guy isn’t that good and we continue playing him because he’s dwight’s BFF. when ryan chokes and J.J isn’t doing nothing what else is there. we have a bench and we’re not using it.
Did you watch him during the game though? If he continues to play like that, I'll take him over Clark anyday
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
What he do
grabbed 10 rebounds. one play like 13 secs. showed a lil hustle and got fouled? got cocky, tried to do too much and made a huge TO. got hurt and became a liability. shot 2-8. yeah if he continues to do that we need him on the floor all the time.
Clark going to get 10 rebounds? No. He had some shots that were really good that didn't go in. And the whole game he showed hustle and heart. That's what the team needs
And that turnover I disagree with. The defender was falling before Glen hit him so I would’ve called that a blocking foul
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
We don't know what Clark can give us
He gets no playing time. And Clark has hustle and heart as well.
Face it, SVG refuses to play the bench because they don’t fit in his system, and his system isn’t working anymore. How many more times must we get embarrassed in the playoffs because of it??
How many times have we gotten embarassed in the playoffs? Once and that was last year when half of our key players got into a slump
He doesn’t play the bench because they CAN’T play his system. At least not yet. He wants to have solid defense that turns into offense but if they can’t play defense then he doesn’t want them playing. I bet if they could bring something to this team that other players haven’t, we either would’ve heard about it or we would’ve seen them play. It’s as easy as that. Unless you’ve seen the practices and the scrimmages, then I don’t know why you can’t trust the organization that has been known to groom NBA talent and give them the benefit of the doubt.
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
by BigMac12111 on Jan 7, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Thank you.
People expecting Orton or Clark to really contribute are ridiculous. I’d like to see Von Wafer get more burn, but I understand there’s a logjam at guard right now. If he had more PG skills, then I suspect he would play more.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
I want to see Howard, Davis and Clark on the floor at the same time..
That’s a lot of Defense and Help for Howard in the paint. And that’s where the problem is… SVG thinks he could win by copious amounts of threes.. News flash! -It wont. Defense wins games, ESPECIALLY in the Playoffs!
Protecting the paint is certainly NOT where the problem is.
You really think Dwight needs help in the paint?
ORL is currently 2nd lowest in opponent FGA at the rim per game. And 2nd lowest in opponent FGA 3-9 ft. We are already protecting the interior. (and we are #1 in making opponents take FGA in the 16-23 range)
And all Clark on the floor would do is clog the defenders into the lane and ruin Dwight’s offense. He doesn’t stretch the floor and he can’t hit diddly squat if he shoots anything but dunks and layups.
Just stop.
"...sometimes your eyes lie to you..." ~SVG | I'm on Twitter
You guys think that's all he can do from 2-4 minutes of PT
you just stop. when dwights off the floor it’s easy to score in the paint on us. even when he’s on the floor they still score in the paint. so don’t make it like howard stops everything. and like i said in my 1st post defence leads to offence. Asik played 8 minutes of defence yesterday. i didn’t see him being a liability for the bulls. Clark has not been given a full chance. when he was playing for more then 20 minutes a couple of times last year he was good. (expect for the game he had like 5 or 6 TO’s. i can’t remember, but he was still good)
We know he can't handle it from the games last year. I believe in the coaching staff that has consistently brought along NBA players and let them mature. If SVG and his staff don't think that they should be playing then that's good enough for me.
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
So it's good that we lose games against good teams?
what is hughes and Q learning on the bench? we reward inconsistently players wilth minutes until they get it. as a 22yr old magic fan i say this is a joke of a team. a wanna-be elite team without the killer instinct. we’re doing the same thing we did last year and that’s why we suck. we have stud PF with mental issues against good teams and a all-around SG who should be our starter. and full bench we just seem to ignore.
We do not have the players to match up with Miami or Chicago or OKC.
That is why we lose games against good teams. You’re delusional if you expect Clark to help us against LeBron or Durant or even Deng. You’re delusional if you think our “full bench” matches up with the bench of Chicago or OKC. Our starters besides Dwight can’t play enough minutes to keep up with guys like LeBron or Rose.
Everyone knew this wasn’t going to be a championship year going in unless something crazy or flukey happened… Yet we’re raging about the fact that we’re not as good as championship teams? Hilarious.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
by slickw143 on Jan 8, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
How exactly am I delusional
because i don’t agree with you guys. When did i say clark or orton would contribute HUGE. I never said that. i said see what they can give us. i know we’re not as good as championship teams. we don’t know if our bench can stand up to the competition because we don’t look there way. so what was the point of signing these guys? play them when dwight leaves us. I for one don’t want to see another one of our star C leave us. again.
The coaches see what they can give us literally every single day in practice.
They know exactly how good every single one of their players is or is not. It is literally their job to put the best players into the best positions. If a certain player is not getting playing time, it is because that player SHOULD NOT BE GETTING PLAYING TIME. You’re not smarter than the coaches, especially a coach like SVG.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Jan 8, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
Excuse me for not being smarter then stan. Excuse me for saying when we go up against a good defense we lose. Excuse me for saying when our main three bench players choke try the others. i like SVG and all what he’s done for us. but i want him regain that winning style we had in 09 and 10.I get he’s trying to do more with less. but good teams see though that. how much longer before we realize it.
You're beating a dead horse..
They believe SVG is going to bring them to the promise land. They believe that SVG doesn’t play them because they suck.
yet Dantoni, who plays like what, 6 players started a Rookie the other day.
Started.
They do suck.
This is literally SVG’s job. If the Magic don’t do well, SVG gets fired, but all that happens to you is that you get some sort of sick glee out of it, based on what you’ve written on this site.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Jan 8, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Using a guy who most likely will be fired
Perhaps before the AS break, and has his team below .500 is not a good way of making your point on what Stan should be doing.
by JeffShann3 on Jan 9, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Which is why we wont do didlly-poo come playoff time
I’m looking forward to y’all blaming everything but SVG offense, SVG lack of playing our bench and Ryan’s shooting..
Our offense is so bad, it's the 9th most efficient in the NBA
And in ORtg – DRtg (how many points the Magic score per 100 possessions – how many points they give up per 100), they’re 7th. Behind Philadelphia, Miami, Chicago, Atlanta, Denver, and San Antonio, but ahead of probable playoff locks LA and OKC.
Bob.
by The Dark on Jan 8, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Last year 391 minutes of PT. 9% of available minutes
On/off ORtg : On = 100.6 / Off = 111.0 (higher is better)
On/off DRtg; On = 106.7 / Off = 103.0 (lower is better)
Earl Clark on the court means the team was 14 points worse per 100 possessions than when he wasn’t on the court.
This is the guy who didn’t even get his 3rd year qualifying offer from the team that drafted him.
I like him. I hope he develops. He is not (yet) the answer to what ails the Magic.
Maybe REP96st has a point about SVG’s system. It is a complicated (and effective) defensive system. So, if you can’t get the system, then you don’t play, because you hurt the team. This is the NBA. The top teams play 5 on 5, not iso ball.
"...sometimes your eyes lie to you..." ~SVG | I'm on Twitter
by magicfaninTN on Jan 7, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Stats from last year's 82games.com
http://www.82games.com/1011/10ORL12.HTM#onoff
"...sometimes your eyes lie to you..." ~SVG | I'm on Twitter
by magicfaninTN on Jan 7, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Rec'd
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
Davis has an eFG% of .324 this year. Clark's is .250
As bad as Davis has been (and he’s certainly been bad), Clark is worse. The only players with worse shooting numbers than Clark are Hughes and Harper.
Admittedly, small sample size and all that, but right now, Clark is horrible.
Bob.
Come back when you can read that I mentioned it was a small sample size
Better yet, come back when you understand that eFG% is a rate stat, not a counting stat, so minutes played are irrelevant except for the consideration of sample size.
Bob.
3 things pissed me off...
1.) The obvious first one is that Ryno laid an egg in the first half, and then essentially disappeared the rest of the game. Maybe people will stop calling him an All-Star for a while now.
2.) Our ball movement was pathetic. J-Rich should never be allowed to pass the ball; he should only catch and shoot in rhythm or back down a smaller guard. He made some of the worst passes I have seen in years. Also, that iso play where Dwight gets the ball and the rest of the Magic clear out is pathetically predictable and only works if Dwight makes a tough running hook shot or if another of the four guys on the floor works to get open (too much standing around last night).
3.) The Bulls got wayyyy too many second and third chances by crashing the boards. I know they have a big front line but it seemed like nobody besides Dwight and Baby were even trying to grab loose balls.
On a positive note, I was happy with Baby’s play last night. You could see (after the SVG interview on Wednesday and subsequent coverage) that Uno Uno was hesitant shooting the ball early on. However, I loved his eff-you intensity in the second half. He was aggressive going to the hoop on several occasions and grabbed ten boards (see #3 above). I just hope that his hip injury isn’t serious because last night’s contest showed our team clearly isn’t as deep as the fool’s gold of beating up on bad teams may have led some people to believe.
The only thing I'd disagree with you on is the Iso play for Dwight.
That play works a lot. Dwight is the best back-to-basket player in the game, and that hook of his is pretty effective. He also has other moves he uses where he spins baseline and he can face up out of it occasionally. The one thing I would love to see him start doing out of it is a nice up and under, other than that though I don’t see a problem with that particular play.
totally agree.
Dwight shoots 60% for a reason most of the time. If Anderson makes his shots you could argue Orlando wins. Still didn’t like what I saw from the team. Jameer, who I love is off to a shaky start. Which is odd since he torches Westbrook to start the season.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
by Mateo9399 on Jan 7, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dwight shoots 60% because...
He gets a healthy share of alley-oops and passes where someone (mainly Jameer or Hedo) penetrates and draws Howard’s main defender away, leaving D12 with a dunk or easy lay-up. Dwight makes the iso play work sometimes, but that’s because he’s a one-of-a-kind stud. Last night, the Bulls made that play tough for him.
by aterry560 on Jan 7, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Did you watch the 1st quarter of the game? I think Dwight made something like 4 straight hook shots off the iso play. It works
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
Dwight shot 50% on jump shots and 55% on non-dunk close shots last year
He’s a good shooter even when he’s not dunking on people.
Bob.
by The Dark on Jan 8, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Our record and upcoming schedule
Couldn’t agree more with aterry 560, I thought we would be 6-2 after our first 8 games, the only loss I didn’t see was the Detroit one. Looking at the next 6 games, I could see us going 4-2, with losses at Portland(a surprisingly good team), and a loss to San Antonio(third game of a back to back to back), giving us a 9-5 record to start the season, which I will gladly take. Until this unit really, really coalesces, we are, IMHO, a middle of the pack playoff team, a 3 or 4 seed perhaps, but not at all likely to see the finals again this year. Too many nagging shortcomings, beginning with Jameer, but also our lack of consistent defensive intnesity(other than Dwight), and lots of other things will limit how far this squad can go. Sucks, because we know there is no combination of players or picks available that can come anywhere near what Dwight means to this team. I will miss him greatly.
While SVG and Otis is running the ship, we wont see the finals ever again.
We have players, role players and we’re not playing them right. We lose.
How would you like them to be played? Have Clark and Harper and Orton in the starting line-up?
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
INSTANT CHAMPIONSHIP!
Raise the banner!
by JeffShann3 on Jan 7, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
STOP...
And yeah, putting Davis as a center is smart, Instead of bringing Orton out and putting davis where he belongs, at PF. I’m not saying Go to Orton, but DH can take a much needed break as well as Davis getting more touches..
But what am I saying?? This is a Chuck a 3, run back on “D” team.
Do you seriously hate that your team has consistently won 50+ games since SVG got here?
If you hate the team so much, why do you even bother to “support” them? You obviously don’t like that this coach and system has been a winning formula.
by JeffShann3 on Jan 8, 2012 2:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Winning Formula?
Where’s our Championship banners? Oh wait.. The Lakers and Mavs got them. “Not gonna Work” formula is more like it..
I don’t understand why y’all can’t see that this system WON’T WORK when we need it the most! The smarter coaches and teams see right through IT!
Keep believing in it and SVG… I’ll be here with the fishing bait…
How many other teams have championship banners?
We had a championship quality team two years under SVG. We went to the Finals once with a competitive series (despite it ending in 5) despite no experts believing the team had a chance. Did we do that despite Stan? We went to the ECF the next year and lost to a healthy Boston team who had won a title just two years prior, and who was a Kendrick Perkins injury away from possibly winning another.
Your criteria of “failure” is completely skewed, and your detachment from reality is slightly disturbing. The Magic have been more successful under Van Gundy than ANY OTHER TIME IN FRANCHISE HISTORY. If we didn’t have an incompetent GM who continues to make highly questionable moves, maybe this would be a different story.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
by slickw143 on Jan 8, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Jameers Legacy with the Magic
For years we have been making excuses for Jameer when he doesn’t live up to our expectations. During the season of our finals run he was having his best season and was rewarded with allstar validation. Unfortunately he got injured in the reg season missed the allstar game and most of the playoffs and watched as Rafer Alston put on occasional big game performances to help us advance round after round.Jameer would get his chance, return early from injury in what everybody was hoping to be the Allstar that twice dominated the Lakers and Spurs that season. He returned to play in the finals as a shell of himself who many would argue was a main factor in our losses to the Lakers. We were forced to sit Rafer despite his noteworthy performances that got us the chance at a title and watch as Jameer hobbled his way with poor performances after the other. Who could forget the overtime game where Fisher buried the big 3 to rally the unlikely comeback and Jameer’s fails on defence and offence. During each season we see glimpses of a guy that could be an allstar sometimes great 3 point and clutch shooter. His offense usually reliable and consistant however his defence would be his Achilles heel against really good pointguards or just ones that were more athletic and had a knack for driving to the rim. With Dwight’s trade demand putting the team under the spotlight many were hoping for big improvements from each player with the hope to appeal Dwight to stay. As the captain and one of Dwight’s closer friends we all expected Jameer to have another Allstar like season to keep the Magic in relevancy in the East elite and show his friend that they wanted to win. Although early in the season and what appears to be career lows all across the stat sheets while at the same time seeing improvements from Ryan, JJ even Duhon we must ask ourselves can we rely on Jameer. If Dwight leaves will he be the player to lead the new guys to another Finals run or a trade piece for a rebuilding Magic team and cementing himself as a likeable player that we thought was better than he really was and what a great backup point guard he could and should have been.
Me Against The World And I'm Winning
by Andeezy on Jan 7, 2012 10:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
My 2 cents
1) Someone teach this team to box out, often there were 3 or 4 Magic players standing around the rim waiting for the rebound and a Bulls player (Boozer, Asik, and Gibson primarily) would just get the rebound out of NOWHERE.
2) Ryan was in the doghouse (figuratively)- SVG seemed pissed at his defense and his cold shooting didn’t help his case either. On a related note, Baby played the best game in a Magic Uni yet. He was aggressive on the boards and was playing solid defense. Hope his hip isn’t too much of a bother
3) Why in the world can’t we execute a simple pass or create ball movement? It wasn’t just J-rich throwing to anyone but anyone throwing to J-Rich also. Stop trying to look flashy and just pass the ball.
4) That also being said, JJ wasn’t particularly good on the offensive end either. Mainly from lack of ball movement.
5) Someone please food poison Kyle Korver before the next game or something. That man couldn’t miss yesterday.
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 7, 2012 11:24 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ryan is not a Starter.. On ANY team.
yet SVG wants to play him, simply for shooting threes. Not rebounding, Not mid-range jumpers, Not defense… Threes…
No movement, but that’s no surprise.. These are the same group of players that “Wait” for the ball to come to them behing the 3pt line.
No defense. We have one dominant defender with 4 Matadors on the court with him, letting their man beat them ALL THE TIME to the rim.
What kills me is we have a decent bench, but they don’t get any play, if any… When we get knocked out of the first round (“IF” we even get there), what will be the excuse for losing again?? Are we gonna hear “SVG will get it right next season” AGAIN??
We’re going backward, we were going backwards last season. But now we’re going Backwards full speed.
I’m sick of excuses, fire SVG.
un rec'd
"...sometimes your eyes lie to you..." ~SVG | I'm on Twitter
by magicfaninTN on Jan 7, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
This is not what i meant
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
So Ryan's been playing at an All-Star level all year...
Has one bad game and now he can’t start for anyone? You’re a joke, dude.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
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by slickw143 on Jan 7, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
HAHAHA!! Ryan a All-Star??
Look, just because he makes 3’s mostly in Garbage time doesn’t make him a All Star!
Your trolling is ineffective.
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by slickw143 on Jan 7, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Don't forget that the reason he's on the ballot is because the ASG is "in" Orlando.
If he wasn’t, he wouldn’t even BE on the ballot!
He's NOT on the ballot. fyi.
"...sometimes your eyes lie to you..." ~SVG | I'm on Twitter
by magicfaninTN on Jan 7, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Oh...
well GOOD! In my opinion, he doesn’t deserve to be up there. He doesn’t show up for good teams, why would you want him on a ALL STAR team??
An ALL STAR shows up mostly every night.
Against OKC, ryan shot 9 for 17, 6 for 12 from 3.. And that was mostly when the game was lost.. Remember?? the first basket made in the 4th qtr was made almost 7 minutes in the 4th..
Against DET, Ryan shot 5 for 10, 1 for 5 from 3.
and you know how much of a stinker he dropped on the Bulls.
All Star??? HAHAAHHaaHAHAAHHaAHHAAHAHHAAA!!!
And for the record..
The reason why I didn’t add the games we won, is because WE SHOULD beat those teams..
Toronto, Washington?? I mean, really? And we almost lost in T-Dot!
You... haven't been watching the games, have you?
by Tim333 on Jan 7, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Whether I did or not, what is your point??
I made a valid one just now about Ryan playing at an “all star” HAHA level.. So you’re saying??
The starters were still in for OKC during that game. You can't call it "garbage time" or whatever else when the main players on the other team are still playing
I just don’t understand your logic. He had one bad game against Chicago and put up 13 and 6 against Detroit when only he, Turk and Dwight brought anything to the game. I’m going to put up sets of stats and you pick which one should go to the All-Star game
PPG: 12.9 17.9 14.3 20.0
RPG: 6.3 6.9 8.8 8.4
PER: 18.1 24.6 18.2 17.6
TO%: 4.1 1.7 11.4 12.8
WS: 0.7 1.4 0.9 0.3
Which player would you put into the All-Star game?
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
You are correct. Lol. That is Ryan Anderson
The other people I selected may surprise you though. The first is Bass because I know that REP has been a big critic on the Bass trade and how we “didn’t use him right”. The third set is of the man he was matched up against last night Carlos Boozer. He is a former All-Star and generally viewed as one of the top PF. The last set is Amare Stoudemire. He was the starting PF on the Eastern All-Star team last year. He is a top 3 PF by most.
By all accounts Ryan Anderson is out-playing all of these guys even with his bad game against Chicago. So if he’s playing better than two former All-Stars and the man who was starting ahead of him last year, doesn’t that mean that he’s playing at an above-average level or, dare I say it, All-Star level? And might I mention that all of these players are on the All-Star ballot while Ryan is off of it.
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
by BigMac12111 on Jan 7, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ryan will be an all-star, soon. The hurdle he needs to get over is that he is portrayed as someone who does not show up for big games. Maybe confidence issue?
O he definitely does but when you have better stats than all three of those guys who are on the All-Star ballot (Bass, really?) I call foul.
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
Or matchup issues
It will take time, but I want to see his head-to-head stats against different guys at the end of this year. Similar to how Deng kills Turk, I wonder if certain PFs defend Anderson particularly well.
Bob.
by The Dark on Jan 8, 2012 2:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
But
didn’t amar’e miss two games? Ryan can be an all-star only if he can keep up his consistency(the major problem i had with him last year). and while he does that against bad teams what’s the point if he disappears against a good PF
Amar'e missing two games should not affect his stats, with the caveat that all are small-size samples which makes your point about Ryan valid.
Well
All Star voting has started, and he’s played better than the rest through this part of the season so…
Oh my gosh, what a Cop-Out
and just because the voting started early off a shortened season, he should be in…
NO.
TEN GAMES IN, AND HE'S AN ALL STAR??
Do y’all read y’all own COMMENTS?? Ten games IN???
Shoot, If he keeps this up for TEN MORE GAMES, then lets Give Him the MVP and the Scoring Title!!!
Herman Edwards voice “WHY NOT??”
They made the All-Star ballot after only 5 games so "WHY NOT??"
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
He's playing at that level.
Anyone with any sense has acknowledged he needs to continue. But if he does, I guaran-damn-tee you he will be a coach’s selection in the East. So keep on keepin’ on.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
12.8 TO%?!
Who is that?!
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Amare Stoudemire. But I should say that's 12.8 turnovers per 100 plays. The TO% is the number of turnovers per 100 plays. Just wanted to mention that
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
ALL YEAR?? What a joke!! HAHAHAHA!!! Are you KIDDING ME??
We’re what?? 20-30 games in?? Ryan’s Killing like that??
No. He’s not.
So Ryan crashing the boards, him playing solid defense(not great but average), and cutting to the rim to not just shoot 3's means nothing to you?
Man. Nothing will change your mind
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
come on.. Turk, Richardson, Nelson... ALL of them play average D to subpar..
And you can put ryan in there as well…
Anderson was above average last year
The team was 0.7 points per 100 possessions better defensively with Anderson than without him. It’s not much, but no player has a huge effect on that stat – even Dwight Howard, Defensive Player of the Year only had a 3.0/100 effect. Turk was a 1.0/100 defender. They’re both doing worse this year, but they have the capability to be positive defensive assets.
Bob.
by The Dark on Jan 8, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder why
you always pile up on coach Van Gundy but never mention the deficiencies of the teams with which he has to work, year after year. Is that intentional to divert the blame from the main culprit responsible for this mess? Are you by any chance related to Otis Smith?
If you read my previous comments THROUGHOUT OPP...
I’ve mentioned how poor (most of the starters, as well as some off the bench) our play is. Everyone is to blame in this organization. We had decent players, yet they weren’t implemented properly and that’s because of SVG’s system.
Call Otis. I'm sure he'd appreciate your input.
Otis might even hire you to replace SVG, since you’ve taken teams to the NBA Finals and all.
/tired of you
"...sometimes your eyes lie to you..." ~SVG | I'm on Twitter
Who do you want in the game? We are constantly in the top 5 in defense. Give credit to SVG for that? Of course not
We give Dwight 13.5 shots per game. He also gets 9 trips to the line per game. That is more than enough touches for a non-perimeter player. We run the pick and roll. If a shot is open, SVG expects you to take it and if not he wants you to pass the ball around. He also wants a player to be agressive and not just hoist up jumpshots. But if you’re going to be agressive you have to keep playing defense. That’s the problem with most of the players that you want played. They don’t understand the rotations and the basics of the SVG defensive scheme.
I just put all of your arguments into one post. Waaaaaay easier that way
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
I got to call you out on something
09 was the only time we were a truly top 5 defensive team. now we’re only a top 5 defensive team because of howard. also does glen understand our scheme?
Glen understands our scheme just fine. He can play his man straight up and makes all of the necessary rotations
Also we’ve played good team defense and Dwight has just been a beast. Doesn’t mean all of our defense is because of Dwight. That’s just ridiculous. We’ve been ranked 5, 1, 3, 3, 3 in DRtg from the 08-09 season to the one we’re in today. So we have been in the top 5 in defense year in and year out under SVG. And Dwight wasn’t the defensive beast his is now for all five of those years so you can’t say it’s just Dwight
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
by BigMac12111 on Jan 7, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about...
“And Dwight wasn’t the defensive beast his is now for all five of those years so you can’t say it’s just Dwight”
Stan got there in ‘07.. DH was already all NBA before he got there. Defensive player 3 years after that. SVG can’t take credit for that.
Dwight wasn't as much of a defensive powerhouse back then
He was above average, but Nelson and Turkoglu had larger positive effects on the defense in 08-09 than Howard did. Lewis and Pietrus were the defensive weak spots on that team.
Bob.
by The Dark on Jan 8, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I was gonna mention DH being the reason why our defense is rated so well
But take him out of the equation and watch the defense turn sour.
Dwight Howard IS our defense!
Pretty meek ending to the game.
The Magic just folded. We’ve played two good teams and lost both of those games convincingly. We had a chance in this one, we really did. Ryan and JJ both failed to show up, and no one outside of Dwight was efficient or productive enough on both ends of the floor to merit praise.
I don’t think that the solution for opposing defenses is “Let Dwight get his and cover everyone else”. The solution for opposing defenses is “Let’s hope the perimeter players forget Dwight exists and cover everyone else”. Dwight could’ve scored on 70% of his possessions last night. He should’ve had 40+. But we forgot about him for the majority of the game after the 1st quarter. So frustrating to watch.
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by slickw143 on Jan 7, 2012 12:37 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
A better passer PG could fix both "Let Dwight get his and cover everyone else" and "Let’s hope the perimeter players forget Dwight exists and cover everyone else" problems.
Don’t get me wrong, I think Jameer has done a lot for the Magic but, right now, he is more of a “great 6th man” for any team, than a starting PG. Turkoglu can’t be running the offense all the time, that was a shared responsibility back in 2008-2009.
I don’t know, maybe I’m too influenced by what I heard from the ESPNLA sportscasters. They really won me over with that argument they were having during last night’s game.
Magic Fan since the 1992-1993 Season.
Caracas, Venezuela.
by North of the South on Jan 7, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
If it was just Jameer, I'd agree.
But J-Rich, Jameer, Duhon, Ryan, even Hedo and JJ sometimes. After the first quarter, there just weren’t enough passes into the post where Dwight could do anything. It’s a team-wide endemic.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
That's an accepted loss when you're going against one of the 3 best PG's in the league.
The other positions were more up-in-the-air to win, matchup wise, and we didn’t. Hence, our window of opportunity to win was shut. If we were to beat the Bull in a 7-game series, we’d need Ryan and Hedo to at least play Boozer and Deng to a draw, unless someone else had a career series or if Dwight just dominated significantly more than Rose would.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
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Anxiously awaiting reply from JJ
https://twitter.com/DrLtheCommish/statuses/155792279930540032
What do you guys think? I’m going with Assplosion.
Somehow, I doubt you'll get a response.
"...sometimes your eyes lie to you..." ~SVG | I'm on Twitter
And everyone is pissed you're a troll...
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
by BigMac12111 on Jan 7, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Please explain.. What is a "Troll"??
Having my own opinion is “Trolling”?
-Not agreeing on SVG’s offense in the playoffs as well as the reg. season when it’s really not working and getting worse is “Trolling”?
-Saying Bass should get more playing time 2 seasons ago and getting nothing but Hate from a bunch of y’all, and seeing him contribute after “actually” getting some playing time is “Trolling”?
-Stating on OPP that we will lose to Atlanta because the 4-1 offense will not work anymore in the playoffs and receiving Hate on that as well ONLY for us to LOSE 4-2 is “Trolling”?
Look, it’s not hard to see, we’re not going anywhere with SVG. We’re not. I know it’s hard for most of y’all to believe that, but you can only blame the players only so much. It even becomes more Obvious from the lack of changes he makes, which are so far in between!
Keep falling for his 3pt offense… Keep falling behind and throwing up more threes trying to catch up.. Keep believing he’s gonna do it WITHOUT Dwight Howard.
Maybe y’all just like the fact of just MAKING it to the Playoffs.
I for one know we have the BEST, most DOMINANT center in the game today, but yet we chuck threes like we’re DUKE.
Going to the Paint and playing defense Wins games.. three pointers are a bonus.

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