Orlando Versus Chicago - Fan Preview
Our society is, inescapably, one of imitation. If one movie studio is working on the giant 'earth-is-about-to-explode' film, another studio will try to beat them to the punch with the same story line and different actors (Armageddon/Deep Impact). If the music that is selling is performed by an effeminate teenage boy who appears to model his look after a woman's softball coach, then there will be an agent finding another Justin Bieber post-haste. It's not always so commercially depraved; it's natural, to a degree-in the wild it might show up as Batesian Mimicry.
And let's be honest, within sports it happens constantly. "If you want a plan to build a contender, just look at the 'insert championship dynasty here' team." If you just copy this team's model, greatness will follow. Naturally this is a bit misleading - for one thing, it factors out the randomness/luck that has to be a part of any sustained greatness by a franchise. For another, it makes the giant leap that most of the variables between locations will be constant, or at least comparable. But one of the things that people do is try to create order out of chaos, and make sense of the randomness-and sports is no exception in that regard.
So it makes some sense to try and draw parallels between the Orlando Magic and the Chicago Bulls, right? After all, they are both teams with, really, one superstar (Dwight Howard and Derrick Rose). They are also both teams that have played one "quality" team so far this season (Portland and the Lakers-quality in quotes because the actual quality of the Lakers has yet to be established.) They are both teams that have also beat up on lower-quality teams, and lost a game to someone they should not have lost to. They are also both teams that are probably going to be in/near the top half of the Eastern Conference come playoff time. And you can continue to stack up similarities if that is your preference.
Offensively, the Magic are coming in to this contest averaging 95.7 PPG, which is 14th in the league. The Bulls are averaging 97.1 PPG, which is 9th in the league. On the surface those stats don't seem notably dissimilar. Their is some difference, however, in where this scoring comes from. For the Bulls, the primary weapons thus far seem to be Rose, Deng, and a bit of Boozer. They get fairly adequate numbers, on the other hand, from Noah, Brewer, Hamilton, Gibson, Watson, and Korver. Orlando's scoring situation looks a little different. Orlando's main scorers have been Anderson, Howard, Turkoglu, and Redick. Their secondary numbers come from Richardson, Davis, and Nelson (with a cursomary reference to Duhon required at this point.)
One of the major differences, then, in the offensive production is the sheer number of scorers. Chicago has a deep bench-with about a 10-man rotation, and that bench contributes. Orlando's rotation seems to be more of the 8-9 man variety (depending on how you feel about Q), and they don't seem to be quite as effective as Chicago's unit (particularly if you consider Redick an outlier, in the Manu model). Of course, it's pretty early in the season to make any inferences about either of these 2nd units.
The defensive statistics are closer than the offense: Chicago holds opponents to 86.6 PPG (2nd in the league) while maintaining a defensive rating of 95.2 (also 2nd), while Orlando holds players to 88.4 (3rd). Both teams have coaches that emphasize defense in Thibs and Van Gundy-but Orlando has a force of nature to clean up errors made by perimeter players while Chicago seems to have more of a team commitment to defense.
But there is one thing that these teams have in common that will probably define this contest: inconsistency. Both teams have demonstrated that they can play brilliantly when engaged and inside their offensive/defensive scheme. But both have also demonstrated that they can stumble around the court like the All-Zombie-Living-Dead-All-Star-Team.
No matter what occurs tonight, this is an early-season test for both teams that will help us figure out who's the real deal . . . and who's just an imitator.
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I should have mentioned in my preview, as well, that Derrick Rose has a sore elbow and Rip Hamilton appears to have a mild groin strain. I think they will still both play tonight.
I don't get the whole 'pop-tart cats pooping rainbows thing,' but then, I'm old. So, there it is.
They say Rose is definitely playing and Hamilton is a gametime decision.
I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?
Great write up!
Although I would disagree with your final point.
I think regardless of tonights outcome, both teams are the real deal in terms of being a top
4 seed, but neither will scale the mountain to the top.
Proudly delusional...
by Satch30 on Jan 6, 2012 9:24 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Orlando needs to be careful of Rose dribble penetration not getting Howard into early foul trouble. Team needs Jameer to have one of his good games.
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Jameer usually plays well against Rose.
In my view, we would have the upper hand at the C and SG positions but this game would be decided at PF and SF positions.
The difference, I think, is this: the Bulls are an excellent team in a lot of ways, but they really rely on their defense to keep them in games, because they don’t have anyone who scores significantly above league average efficiency. Rose’s 54% true shooting is a lot more palatable when the team as a whole is allowing 51-52% to the opponent. (Anyone catch the game where the Warriors upset the Bulls a couple weeks back, because the Bulls’ defense couldn’t stop them?)
Whereas the Magic are practically DESIGNED to get efficient types of shots.
And that’s the ceiling the Bulls are butting up against at the moment, because as soon as you show them a high-volume scorer who shoots a good percentage and can’t really be stopped in that way, their offensive inefficiency really comes back to bite them. Which of course is a huge problem against the Heat, hence the playoffs last year. But it’s also a potential problem against Orlando and even Boston, because those are teams where you can cut their shooting efficiency and they still shoot efficiently.
The Bulls are a good team, but they match up poorly against literally every other contender in the conference.
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
by 3.3seconds on Jan 6, 2012 2:20 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Nice preview of the game, Redfield!
The game is practically a toss-up, as the Magic are favored by 1 point (http://sportsbook.com), with a very low over/under of 181 1/2.
One of the main keys of the game is what magicfaninTN said about Derrick Rose, that the Magic need to stop his dribble penetration into the lane. The Magic did not do that the other night against Rodney Stuckey of the Pistons as he drove the lane at will it seemed. Even though Stuckey made just 2 of 8 FGs, he went to the FT line 14 times.
Last Friday, Rose had one of the best all-around games in Bulls’ franchise history, as he had 29 points, 16 assists, and 8 rebounds against the LA Clippers. He did this against the best defensive PG in the league in Chris Paul. It was only the second time in Bulls’ franchise history that a player has had as many as 25 points, 15 assists, and 5 rebounds in a game.
Rose’s scoring is down this season, from 25.0 PPG last season to 20.9 PPG this season, but more importantly, his assists are up to 8.6 per game and his efficiency is much better, as he has a 58.3% TS% and 50% eFG%, above his career averages.
The addition of Richard “Rip” Hamilton makes the Bulls a better team than last season. Keith Bogans, their starting SG then, was a very good defender who was good for one, maybe two three pointers in a game but who only averaged around 4 PPG. Hamilton is averaging 12.4 PPG so far this season, and that mark figures to get better as the season goes on.
If the Magic put up the same effort like the last time they played the Bulls, I expect the Magic to win tonight. I was at the Amway Center on April 10th last season to watch the Bulls and the Magic. The Magic were without Dwight Howard, due to his suspension for accruing too many technicals. The Magic put up a heck of an effort though, in a 102-99 Bulls’ victory, as Ryan Anderson scored a career-high 28 points, along with 10 rebounds. It took an insanely efficient game from Derrick Rose to beat the Magic, as Rose scored 39 points on 13 of 17 shooting. Jameer Nelson’s long three pointer that would have tied the game came just a split second after the final horn.
I don’t expect Rose to score 39 points tonight, as long as Dwight Howard is there to man the Magic defense (and most importantly, stay out of foul trouble) and prevent Rose from getting too aggressive in driving the lane.
Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 Stanley Cup Champions, and future 2012 Champs
Chicago Bears... the end of the ten year Jerry Angelo Era after one NFC Title
Orlando Magic... 1995 and 2009 Eastern Conference Champions
by Mike from Illinois on Jan 6, 2012 2:45 PM EST reply actions
Nice synopsis, Mike. Since Jameer typiclly plays well against Rose, I think we should focus more on other match-ups.
I think Hamilton hurts Bull’s defense in a way that the uptick in scoring may not compensate for. I like JJ (not J-Rich) against Hamilton to establish our dominance in SG position (yes, I am suggesting that JJ should start for this game). Then Anderson/Davis v. Boozer and Hedo v. Deng (in particular) would determine the final outcome of the game.
Valid point also, Matt
How well the other players do other than Rose for the Bulls and Howard for the Magic will go a long way to determine the outcome of the game.
Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 Stanley Cup Champions, and future 2012 Champs
Chicago Bears... the end of the ten year Jerry Angelo Era after one NFC Title
Orlando Magic... 1995 and 2009 Eastern Conference Champions
by Mike from Illinois on Jan 6, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Really? I thought Hamilton was a terrible decision.
Last thing the Bulls need is another high-volume, low-percentage shooter. Bogans averaged 4.4 PPG in 17.8 MPG last year with a solid TS%… he didn’t demand shots, but he could park on the outside and his man had to stay on him. And of course his defense is better than Hamilton’s at this point in Rip’s career…
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
Hamilton is definitely more of a scoring threat than Bogans
Not to discredit Bogans, who was a good defender, but teams have to respect Hamilton’s scoring and shooting ability more than they did Bogans. As a result, that will make things easier for Derrick Rose running the offense without having to be worried about double-teamed so much like the Heat did to shut him down in the playoffs last season.
Hamilton won’t be demanding shots or taking 15-20 shots a game because the Bulls have several other offensive options (as they showed in the game against the Magic with three players with 20+ points). So far, in five games, Rip has averaged 12 shots a game and is averaging 12 points, which isn’t great efficiency, but that figures to improve as the season goes on as he gets more comfortable in the offense.
Hamilton does have a championship ring also, so he knows what it takes to win.
Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 Stanley Cup Champions, and future 2012 Champs
Chicago Bears... the end of the ten year Jerry Angelo Era after one NFC Title
Orlando Magic... 1995 and 2009 Eastern Conference Champions
by Mike from Illinois on Jan 6, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
I see that as a classic case of the fallacy of overlooking the intangibles of a defensive player (case in point: we swapped Barnes for Q-Rich).
Speaking of intangibles...
…how about the intangibles that a veteran presence like Rip Hamilton who has a championship ring can bring to a team.
Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 Stanley Cup Champions, and future 2012 Champs
Chicago Bears... the end of the ten year Jerry Angelo Era after one NFC Title
Orlando Magic... 1995 and 2009 Eastern Conference Champions
by Mike from Illinois on Jan 7, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Bogans' playoff stats against Miami
In five games, he scored 23 points (4.6 PPG) on 8 of 23 FGs (34.8%), including 6 of 20 on threes (30%).
His PER for the entire playoffs last season was 9.3.
Again, no disrespect to Bogans, but there’s no way the Bulls would be able to advance to the finals if he were still the starting SG, and I really like Hamilton as an upgrade.
Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 Stanley Cup Champions, and future 2012 Champs
Chicago Bears... the end of the ten year Jerry Angelo Era after one NFC Title
Orlando Magic... 1995 and 2009 Eastern Conference Champions
by Mike from Illinois on Jan 6, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
just adding a bit to your awesome analysis
i think what often gets lost in just looking at numbers is the style of play those numbers come from. Like you said, hamilton demands, at the very least, more respect than bogans from oppositions…and in the bulls offense this year, which is really based on getting out on the break, hamiltons speed (hes gotta be one of the fastest sgs in terms of running baseline to baseline) and ability to run that baseline really helps keep the floor open for rose as the bulls run. So while hamilton might not be a beneficiary to any assist or pts, his running alongside (or often ahead of) rose and then curling the baseline takes away at least one defender from impeding roses fast break and it allows him an easier lane to the rim or helps keep the defense occupied enough for a shooter like korver or deng to spot up. If nothing else that is probably Hamiltons greatest attribute with his addition to the bulls
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Great observation
The Bulls’ transition game has been much better this season, and Hamilton is indeed one of the few SGs out there who can keep up with Rose on the fast break.
Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 Stanley Cup Champions, and future 2012 Champs
Chicago Bears... the end of the ten year Jerry Angelo Era after one NFC Title
Orlando Magic... 1995 and 2009 Eastern Conference Champions
by Mike from Illinois on Jan 7, 2012 1:29 AM EST up reply actions












