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★ Official ROTATION Thread ★

(officially I do not have the power to make official threads, I don't think)

There have been many disparate discussions going on in several different threads revolving around the player rotations. I thought there might as well be a central thread devoted to this to allow everyone's arguments to be heard in a more organized manner.

I think that it is important that we agree upon two ground rules before we start.

1.) Neither JJ Redick nor Von Wafer can play point guard.

2.) No one is allowed to say anything good about Otis Smith, or bad about Stan Van Gundy.

Star-divide

Alright, great. I'll start because that would only make sense.

I only have one change that I would make to the rotation. Which is that I would prefer starting JJ Redick over Jason Richardson. And I already know that is contraversial with some of you, but, I have reasoning behind this idea.

As of right now Jrich is just floating around the perimeter waiting to magically become open for a three so that he can shoot a three. That is the extent of his involvement with the offense. Other than occasionally when the Magic intentionally abandon the offense to run a post-up for Jrich so that he can be quasi involved for one play.

JJ has a much better understanding of the offense and how to play within it and in a pro-active way.

Jrich is struggling to find his place in the offense as the 5th option amongst the starters, while you could literally throw JJ out on the floor with any lineup right now and he would know exactly what he needs to be doing.

So if you replace Jrich in the starting lineup with JJ it does a few things:

1.) It defines Jrich's role. The SG position in the Magic's offense can be kind of ambiguous. The offense runs through Howard, Turk & Nelson do all of the ball handling, the stretch 4 gets most of the shots. Generally speaking the 5th man has been a low volume shooting defensive specialist (Lee, Barnes). Jrich doesn't fit naturally into that mold. If you bring Jrich off the bench he instantly is allowed to fill a role that everyone is familiar with, the offensive spark off the bench role. Which would be a much more comfortable role for a volume shooter like Jrich to play. Being the featured scorer off the bench would be a much better fit than casting Jrich as an efficiency scorer alongside the starters.

2.) It would stabilize JJ's playing time. As seen in the Detroit game when JJ didn't play at all in the 3rd quarter a bench player's playing time can be erratic. Plugging JJ into the starting slot makes his playing time much more steady and predictable. And I think a cerebral player like JJ would excel given consistent minutes where he can make adjustments and not have to look over his shoulder.

3.) It would eat some backup SF minutes. There is a bit of a black hole at SF right now when Hedo goes to the bench. A big part of this is because the Magic's backup wing is Redick who cannot play SF due to his size. Jrich while not being able to play against the tallest and the strongest SFs in the league can certainly hold his own against most any of the backups.

4.) It gives the Magic a tight 8-man rotation. This makes Davis the backup frontcourt player, Jrich the wing, and Duhon the backup PG. Looking something like this:

C Dwight Howard Glen Davis
PF Ryan Anderson
SF Hedo Turkoglu Jason Richardson
SG JJ Redick
PG Jameer Nelson Chris Duhon

Which I think gives the Magic more identity and helps define how they are going to play. Then Stan is free to depart from that core 8-man rotation as he feels necessary depending on match-ups and to keep the team rested during this condensed scheduled season.

That is my only thought.

I don't really think that Liggins, or Orton, or Harper, or Wafer need more minutes at this point. Q, Clark, and Hughes obviously will get spot minutes here and there based on need.

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Right now, Redick is the one giving the Magic the offensive spark off the bench

If Redick starts, Richardson may not be the player to fill the offensive spark off the bench because he’s so inconsistent.

J-Rich shot 18 of 34 in a recent three game span, and was aggressive in trying to drive to the hoop instead of always settling for the long jumper like he has the past few games. He needs to remember to be aggressive in driving the lane and having that as part of his game in addition to his outside shots.

It’s early in the season yet, and the Magic will be 5-2, which is a pretty good start with their current rotation the way it is.

I would wait at least a few more weeks before making changes if they need to be made by that time.

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by Mike from Illinois on Jan 4, 2012 6:28 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

You're seriously jinxing this upcoming game with the Wizards

You know this, right? Are you some clandestine Chicago Bulls fan hoping the Magic go into a funk before Friday’s game?

If the Magic must trade Dwight, Hedo better stay. He needs to retire a Magic.

by funny80sguy on Jan 4, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

After all, I know you have absolutely NO ties with Chicago whatsoever, and I might just paranoid

But still.

If the Magic must trade Dwight, Hedo better stay. He needs to retire a Magic.

by funny80sguy on Jan 4, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I am a Bulls' fan

…and Derrick Rose is my favorite professional athlete to watch (though he should not have gotten the MVP over D12 last season), and the Bulls are my hometown team, but I always hope for a Magic win whenever they play the Bulls.

I’m looking forward to the Bulls/Magic game on Friday… should be an outstanding game.

Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 Stanley Cup Champions, and future 2012 Champs
Chicago Bears... the end of the ten year Jerry Angelo Era after one NFC Title
Orlando Magic... 1995 and 2009 Eastern Conference Champions

by Mike from Illinois on Jan 4, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, I don't mean to jinx the Magic!

I have confidence in a solid Magic win over the Wizards.

If they do somehow manage to lose to the Wizards, then changes will have to be made sooner rather than later.

Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 Stanley Cup Champions, and future 2012 Champs
Chicago Bears... the end of the ten year Jerry Angelo Era after one NFC Title
Orlando Magic... 1995 and 2009 Eastern Conference Champions

by Mike from Illinois on Jan 4, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I would say that the “offensive spark” role carries inherent shot attempts that would benefit Jrich, which is an advantage because Jrich has always been a high volume shooter.

And that that rationale is, unintentionally, rewarding Jrich’s inconsistency with consistent minutes while punishing JJ’s consistent play with inconsistent minutes.

To paraphrase that argument, “Richardson might not be able to play as well as Redick, so we should play Richardson more than Redick.”

I don’t see the benefit for the Magic in going out of their way to keep a player that is playing very well from playing very much.

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by aTasteLikeBurning on Jan 4, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

There are way more moving parts than just output and individual efficiency

There are mental considerations. Perhaps SVG knows that JJ works harder as a sub trying to prove himself. Maybe he knows JRich would sulk if not starting.

There are team makeup considerations. Perhaps SVG doesn’t want his backcourt to be small at both positions against starting teams. JJ makes fewer mistakes on both ends of the floor and maybe he’d prefer to keep him playing with Duhon so your backcourt doesn’t have 2 more mistake prone guys at the same time.

I’m just saying, there are a lot of factors that go into who starts. The far more telling stat is who is playing at the end.

I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?

by EnnBee on Jan 4, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Just because Richardson starts over Redick...

…doesn’t necessarily mean he has to play more minutes than Redick.

So far this season, in six games, Redick has played 22, 28, 23, 23, 34, and 24 minutes, an average of 26 minutes.

J-Rich has played 28, 32, 32, 30, 28, and 23 minutes in six games, an average of 29 minutes.

Not much of a difference at all.

Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 Stanley Cup Champions, and future 2012 Champs
Chicago Bears... the end of the ten year Jerry Angelo Era after one NFC Title
Orlando Magic... 1995 and 2009 Eastern Conference Champions

by Mike from Illinois on Jan 4, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This.

I think JJ should play 30+ minutes a game. I also think Richardson should play 30+ minutes a game, but would be willing to bend on this if Richardson doesn’t start playing better.

But I don’t think JJ should start.

There’s a lot to be said for playing Redick against opposing backups, where he can focus on doing what he does best (making open threes, hustling) without worrying about his shortcomings (getting outmatched physically by larger/faster SGs). Whereas if Richardson’s play stands or falls, it’s not because of his size or athletic ability, it’s because he played well or poorly.

It's on like Gregg Zaun!

by 3.3seconds on Jan 4, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

35% of Richardson's shots are classed as "close" shots by 82games

Turkoglu is at 30%, Redick at 23%, and QRich at 0%.

As far as point #1 goes, JJ does very well as an offensive spark off the bench. Richardson’s inconsistency on the offensive end makes me reluctant to rely on him as the sparkplug of the bench.

For point #3, it seems like they’ve been willing to use JRich as the backup SF – he’s played 38% of the available minutes at SG and 25% of the minutes at SF. Turk has played 62% of the SF minutes, with Clark getting 2%, QRich getting 5%, and Redick getting 4%. Redick is actually getting more SG minutes than QRich (50%), so it’s not like he’s being forced out of playing time.

Bob.

by The Dark on Jan 4, 2012 6:43 PM EST reply actions  

Off-topic question

How did you get the stars in the title?

Bob.

by The Dark on Jan 4, 2012 6:53 PM EST reply actions  

it's a code you type in

like, for ♥ you type in & hearts ; (but without the spaces between). idk what stars are, though

Fetch me a crocodile sandwich and make it snappy!

by TheGiantSquid on Jan 4, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

lol yeah I tried that too haha

google it?

Fetch me a crocodile sandwich and make it snappy!

by TheGiantSquid on Jan 4, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's a list of some ♬♫♬

There’s a dropdown selection too for some different sets of them.

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by aakks on Jan 6, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

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