Boston Celtics 91, Orlando Magic 83
by Evan Dunlap on Jan 27, 2012 2:29 AM EST
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The Boston Celtics spotted the Orlando Magic a 27-point lead Thursday night, but it scarcely mattered as the visiting Celtics closed the game on a 44-15 run to win by a 91-83 final. Paul Pierce scored 19 of his game-high 24 points in the second half for Boston, while rookie guard E'Twaun Moore added 16 points in 18 minutes off the bench. Dwight Howard poured in 16 points and 16 rebounds for the Magic, who frittered away their huge lead by shooting 22.9 percent in the second half.
With Rajon Rondo and Ray Allen out once again--as they were Monday when Boston held Orlando to a franchise-low 56 points--Pierce had to shoulder its offensive load, and the veteran did so capably, dishing 10 assists in addition to his 24 points. But the game was less about what Boston accomplished offensively and more about what it accomplished on D. The intense pressure Avery Bradley put on Jameer Nelson for all 94 feet keyed Boston's second-half resurgence, as it prevented the Magic from getting into their offense and forced them to freelance a bit. The Magic can't create for themselves one-on-one with a waning shot clock, and the pressure left them scrambling just to put something, anything, up toward the rim.
That wasn't the case in the first half, in which Orlando shot 50 percent from the floor and committed only three turnovers in blowing out the Celtics. J.J. Redick and Glen Davis scored seven first-half points apiece, while Ryan Anderson rifled in 12, helping the Magic overcome Howard's foul trouble; the All-Star center managed just seven first-half minutes due to three personals.
| Team | Pace | Efficiency | eFG% | FT Rate | OReb% | TO Rate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Celtics | 86.7 | 105.0 | 53.4% | 17.8 | 23.1 | 19.6 |
| Magic | 86.7 | 95.8 | 41.1% | 22.8 | 36.4 | 15.0 |
| Green denotes a stat better than the team's season average; red denotes a stat worse than the team's season average. | ||||||
The game ended, essentially, when Boston began chipping into Orlando's lead early in the third quarter. The Magic seemed unnerved and began to lose their composure. The panicking in the face of adversity, coupled with Bradley's outstanding on-ball defense, left the hosts utterly confused on offense. Boston effectively gummed up Orlando's offense. It tried to feature Howard in the low post, but given the scant time remaining on the shot clock, it put undue pressure on the Magic's center to create for himself.
It helps, though, that the Celtics started making baskets. After shooting 38.2 percent in the first half, the Celtics converted a blistering 53.8 percent of their attempts after halftime, including 5-of-10 on three-pointers.
A lot of Orlando's loss comes down to mental errors, which coach Stan Van Gundy acknowledged after the game. "We have got to be able to handle the physical play," he said. And the game indeed got chippy in the second half, with both teams getting away with lots of contact. But the Celtics just shrugged it off; Orlando seemed to take offense to it.
Howard, due to be a free agent when this season ends, has spoken often about wanting to join a team with a championship mentality. Thursday's game demonstrates that Orlando doesn't have one, by and large. It used to; the Magic squads of Van Gundy's first few years played through adversity and managed to overcome it more times than they ought to have. But this year, and last year? That hasn't been the case.
Some of the problem lies with the Magic's roster, which lacks a go-to shot-creator who can at least toss something at the basket when the defense gets really tight. Hedo Turkoglu is the closest thing Orlando has to one of those, but even he usually requires a Howard screen. But Jameer Nelson, J.J. Redick, Jason Richardson... these guys need shots created for them. They can't do it alone.
But the players have to take some blame too, clearly, for letting the game slip away. I don't mean to take any credit away from Boston, which quite obviously earned this win, but I do want to acknowledge the role the Magic's mental state played in the defeat.
Boston has limited the Magic to two quarters of 10-point basketball, as well as one quarter of eight-point basketball, in the teams' last two meetings. While not every team has Boston's skill defensively, those numbers attest to Orlando's offensive shortcomings. Better focus and a better roster, in some order, would have helped it avoid disaster Thursday.
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This loss makes me sick!
THE OREGON DUCKS ARE ROSE BOWL CHAMPIONS!!!
At the 3:11 point of the second quarter, when the Magic had their largest lead of 52-25...
…here is how the statistics looked… Magic: 52 points on 21 of 41 FGs (51.2%), 3 of 8 on threes, 7 of 11 on free throws, 28 rebounds, 3 turnovers. Boston: 25 points on 9 of 27 FGs (33.3%), 3 of 7 on threes, 4 of 5 on free throws, 15 rebounds, 10 turnovers.
Here is how the statistics finished up for the final 27 minutes, 11 seconds of the game… Celtics: 66 points on 25 of 46 FGs (54.3%), 7 of 12 on threes, 9 of 14 on free throws, 22 rebounds, 7 turnovers. Magic: 31 points on 8 of 35 FGs (22.9%), 2 of 8 on threes, 7 of 14 on free throws, 18 rebounds, 10 turnovers.
The fourth quarter by itself was even uglier for the Magic. They were outscored 27-8 by the Celtics, as the Magic shot 2 of 17 (!) on FGs (11.8%), 1 of 7 on threes, and 3 of 8 on free throws.
I don’t usually pay much attention to individual plus/minus for a game, because it can be misleading, but Dwight Howard was a minus 25 for the game, with J.J. Redick next worse at minus 9. I can’t ever recall a Magic game where Howard was minus so many points compared to the rest of the Magic team.
As for the officiating… yes, there were a couple of questionable calls in the fourth quarter that could have been whistled against the Celtics, but went against the Magic instead. I am not going to blame the officials for this loss, though. Up until the final minute of the game, the Magic had three times as many free throw attempts as Boston with 31 free throws attempted to Boston’s 10 free throw attempts. The Magic were forced to foul in the final minute, but still had a 31-18 FTA advantage over Boston.
Perhaps if the Magic had made better than 18 of 31 FTs, and if they had showed the same energy and intensity in the second half as they displayed in the first half instead of crumbling under Boston’s defensive pressure, the outcome may have been different.
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by Mike from Illinois on Jan 27, 2012 2:49 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
It's time to move Jameer Nelson
it looks like his best days are behind and honestly he looks lost on the court
"I may be wrong...but I doubt it"~Charles Barkley
by JGutta on Jan 27, 2012 2:55 AM EST via Android app reply actions
i think hes just butt hurt
no way you lose skills like he had over the summer, especially since he’s only 30…he needs to go cuz it seems he will never get over Dwight’s trade request, or desire to play with a better PG…I mean its been a quarter of the season already and Nelson still looks like a loser
I would do Nelson for Andre Miller str8 up if Denver is willing since Miller wants to start
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by supermantotherescue on Jan 27, 2012 3:05 AM EST up reply actions
a real pro would try and prove Dwight wrong
not look disinterested in playing like Nelson is doing…get this loser off my team
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by supermantotherescue on Jan 27, 2012 3:06 AM EST up reply actions
Also
SVG is horrible at making in-game adjustments…when we couldn’t score a point, he shoulda put in Wafer to drive to the basket and get fouled or make a play
Also, Earl Clark balled it up in the first half, and SVG doesn’t even call his name in the 2nd half..he just lets Turk and J Rich play the entire 3rd, which helped us lose our big lead, cuz they were probly tired…
Don’t get me wrong, I know SVG is a good coach, and he gets his team ready every game… but he makes STUPID decisions during the game,and today was a good example
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by supermantotherescue on Jan 27, 2012 3:07 AM EST reply actions
Can't say SVG is a good coach anymore
Anderson got off to a hot start but didn’t get a single second in the 2nd quarter. When Howard picked up his third, it was Davis who came into the game. After that, guess the damage was done as Ryan was completely ineffective the rest of the game.
Overall, his style, as others have alluded to, is terrible. Anyone notice how Doc interacts with his players? He’s genuine and gets excited when they do. All I’ve ever seen is SVG wear a constant scowl looking like a Mylanta moment is only seconds away. How motivating is that? No wonder when the team gets into a funk, he can never shake them out of it.
Never really noticed Phil Jackson being very buddy buddy with his players.
Stan’s issue is that he’s a great game planner but not so hot people person. When he does take his team’s psyche into consideration he does it in the wrong way.
But really, SVG hasn’t changed his approach much over the years and he’s had great teams and he’s had poor teams. The players have changed, not Stan.
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by cgsimone on Jan 27, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But the flow of the game started to change and stan didn't get it under control
When ball-movement, penetration, and bad defense started. stan didn’t adjust. he thought they could get it under control and when it didn’t. he did nothing. no clark who did great defensively, no energy from the starters, not calming down the players after they were getting frustrating. He laid an egg again. if something doesn’t happen soon. fire stan. i’m sorry to say it, but it’s time to move on.
Yeah, what you described is a talent problem.
The team needs to get better. You would be shocked how much worse this hodgepodge of mediocre players could be with a different coach. If you even have to start thinking about putting in Earl Clark to play meaningful minutes, your team just isn’t very good.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Jan 27, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
What's your problem with clark
He’s been great defensively the last couple of games. did a much better job defensively on pierce and Kg then glen,anderson, and Q combined. offense was decent when he got the ball.
Uhhh, he's terrible at offense.
I’m sorry I don’t have a huge man crush on a guy shooting 9/27 on the year with an offensive rating of 82 (really, really, really terrible in case you aren’t familiar with that stat). So yeah, if you’re relying on a guy that has done nothing ever and wasn’t even extended by his original drafting team (usually a step reserve for Orton-level busts), then your talent cupboard is pretty bare.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Jan 28, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Also you say talent problem
but only point at clark and not at the starters and glen who were on the floor the entire 2nd half.
I mentioned Clark because you did,
but I’ve said on multiple occasions that I don’t think Jason Richardson is any good, and Jameer has played like crap lately. Glen Davis is in a lesser of two evils situation with Brandon Bass (though I like Bass’s contract a lot better). Ryan Anderson has played very well this season, but he’s not quite to Rashard levels of consistency and isn’t yet a true #2 to Dwight, and so who does that leave? Turk? Redick? All the other bench players that are rightfully stuck on the bench? Yeah. This team just isn’t that good.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Jan 28, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Bass' contract is sure to get much worse after this season
So, it’s a little early to say what contract you prefer.
I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?
Oh, I definitely meant just as it is right now, and then maybe just letting him walk, or at least trading him for someone with an equally short and reasonable contract.
Losing him for nothing is definitely better than turning him into Glen Davis’s contract extension.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Jan 28, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
I love how you always show up to comment on losses.
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by magicfaninTN on Jan 27, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
This is a shocking loss, even the huge lead we had.
Maybe it’s time to look at the roster and be real: we don’t have enough talent to compete with other good teams / contenders.
Dwight has been bashing SVG to be less negative on the sideline
and let him and Jameer be more of a leader on the court. Errm.. I think I like the negative SVG more.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Jan 27, 2012 3:50 AM EST reply actions
Did she?
I’m almost afraid to look at the game thread. I can imagine a lot of posts full of frustration and despair.
If the Magic must trade Dwight, Hedo better stay. He needs to retire a Magic.
NO
I was there the whole miserable damn time, tyvm
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by TheGiantSquid on Jan 27, 2012 7:10 AM EST up reply actions
Change... the Magic need to change...
Play games with the Magic’s psyche. The Celtics will continue to do so; as will a growing number of teams.
This game proved two things, beyond a doubt.
First, Van Gundy has run his course in Orlando… SURE, he’ll win games… a lot of games, but ZERO championships. Simply stated, he can’t motivate (he actually alienates players), he can’t LEAD, and now… NOW, he’s proven: He can’t coach, past X’s and O’s… he makes HUGE mistakes… NEVER learns from them, therefore, he REPEATS his mistakes… over and over. Worse… he can’t adapt mid-game, nor deviate from his game plan… or his 8-man rotation… EVEN WHEN IT’S NOT WORKING!
Second, and I’ll get burned for this… the Magic will never win a championship using the 1-in, 4-out, with Howard at center. The word is out… teams with the right players and tough defense, CAN beat them consistently! Howard is BOTH an asset AND a liability, more the later, as his horrendous free-throws prevent him from being the go-to-guy at the end of close games. It’s no coincidence that the Magic improve dramatically when Howard sits with foul trouble.
No… with washed players like J. Rich, Nelson, Turkuglu, Duhon, and NO WAY to obtain the missing pieces (THANKS, Otis, YOU can go too!), and a failed strategy, run by a wildly entertaining-but-ineffective Coach… this team needs to be ripped apart… re-made on a really solid foundation. C’mmon… DeVos, PULL THE GUN! Rid the team of this ballast. Make a deal with Howard, for YOUTH AND TALENT… for the Magic’s FUTURE!
THEN, FIRE THE HELL OUT OF OTIS SMITH… get a real GM… and hope he takes better care of YOUR money!
i used to support otis
but that trade was PHO is lookin real stupid, especially since J Rich was on the last year of his contract…wut kind of GM trades our best asset, Gortat, for a SG on the last year of his contract??? What’s funny is that if there was no amnesty clause created due to the lockout, it would have worked out better for us cuz we could have kept Arenas and we wouldn’t have had enough money to re-sign J Rich…and for you Arenas haters, you seem to forget SVG never used him properly, and he even admitted that. Arenas could at least pass the ball to Dwight and get our offense running…Jameer, whether its a deroding of skills or still being butt hurt from the trade talks, cannot lead this team…I mean, its been a quarter of the season already, and he still is playing as inconsistent and horrible as he ever has in his career…I really don’t see his situation improving.. I really wish we kept Arenas over J Rich now, especially since D12 wanted Agent Zero in town, and also because J Rich doesn’t fit into our offense, and can’t create his own shot
In summary, Otis is an idiot for re-signing J Rich and letting Arenas go…especially when we haven’t made ANY big moves, which is the only reason I was cool with lettin Arenas go, cuz I thought we would get Ellis, AI, or someone…but no, we just get J Rich, who doesn’t fit this team and can’t create his own shot
We need to play VON WAFER…not for just 5 mins, but like 20+…at least he can create his own shot, feed Dwight when the defense collapses on him, and can shoot the 3…but SVG is too stubborn for this…i mean if he won’t play him when we are choking against Boston, and clearly needed a guard that could drive/create his own shot, i doubt SVG will be smart enough to put him in any bigtime game where we might need his abilities
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by supermantotherescue on Jan 27, 2012 6:03 AM EST up reply actions
We need to trade Jameer ASAP
i bet we could get Andre Miller, Devin Harris, or with the help of God, Steve Nash…and yes I would still take Devin Harris over Nelson cuz while they both suck this year, at least Harris has no personal problems with Dwight’s trade request, so he might be more consistent than Nelson this year
or we should try and trade J Rich for a new PG or wingman if possible…this would allow Von Wafer and JJ to soak up the SG mins…and we could finally have a player that can drive to the basket and create his own shot..even though we already have him, SVG just refuses to play him consistently!!!
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by supermantotherescue on Jan 27, 2012 6:07 AM EST up reply actions
We need somebody, ANYBODY BESIDES JAMEER
It killing us that stan still trusts this guy. he sucks period. and i get flamed out for saying i miss Gil and say try to package bass with somebody else at the beginning of the season to get a #2 guy for this team( or am i still wrong guys) better then suck ball glen and wafer.(who we don’t play) i don’t care what PG we get now.
Manny - you are spot on
especially the 1 in 4 out – plus we MUST get a PG from somewhere and soon!
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by 4QB on Jan 27, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That actually almost makes sense as a sentence
He’s improved
If the Magic must trade Dwight, Hedo better stay. He needs to retire a Magic.
You know, "Youth and talent future!" and, "Then, fire the Hell out of Otis Smith" strikes me as prescient.
I don't get the whole 'pop-tart cats pooping rainbows thing,' but then, I'm old. So, there it is.
one last thing
while Carter was definitely soft, and got injured over plays that wouldn’t hurt a toddler, at least he could create his own shot, and do other things than just shoot 3s like J Rich…that trade with PHO was so stupid…if it wasn’t for Hedo playing well, thats the kinda trade that should get Otis fired…but whats funny is Hedo was supposed to be a positive for PHO since it let them shed his contract off their salary cap
but I am somewhat optimistic we could trade J Rich for a new piece cuz his contract is nice, and he could be good for a contending team with a real pg
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by supermantotherescue on Jan 27, 2012 6:16 AM EST reply actions
Okay, that game was a whole lot of suck
I was at an empty bar watching the game and was getting more and more agitated as the game went on. It took every ounce of my will not to throw something random at the tv.
If the Magic must trade Dwight, Hedo better stay. He needs to retire a Magic.
Dwight Howard doesnt want to be here
its obvious, time to pull the trade, he doesnt even play hard, also….does anyone else feel like Howard yells at his teammates when they try to rebound over him, i think this causes us to lose any rebound he doesnt get
by Magical-OverHauL on Jan 27, 2012 7:02 AM EST reply actions
Worst game I've ever attended
By the time the Celtics were within single-digits until they established their lead, there was a deafening roar every time Pierce or Moore made a shot. If I had closed my eyes, I’d have sworn I was in another stadium. That made me more sick than any of the shitty things the Magic did in this game.
Now, about the team situation
Of all the things our front office has screwed up since the summer of ‘09, signing Big Baby (I am over his inconsistency and he is almost as much of a head case as Metta World Peace) and J-Rich (who plain sucks) in a last-ditch effort to keep Dwight/Dwight’s agent happy is the icing on the cake of stupidity. Dwight will be gone, and now we’re stuck with 50 million dollars worth of inconsistent and washed-up.
Imagine we had Bass still, letting Redick (who is better than J-Rich by almost any measure) start, and signing a cheap backup shooting guard. Then Dwight leaves (it’s going to happen no matter what) BUT the team either makes a trade for two or three solid pieces OR Dwight walks and we have enough cap space to sign or trade for a max player and a wingman stud in the next year or two.
In reality, we’re totally screwed. After this season (unless the rumors about going for Blake Griffin have any merit, which would at least give us a legit superstar in return), you are talking about overpaying Ryan Anderson (I’m sick of his inconsistency too), or letting him walk and having JJ as the team’s best player. Imagine a starting lineup of Baby (Who the **** else do we have to play center? Orton? Thanks Otis), Anderson/Clark, J-Rich, Turkoglu, and Nelson, with almost no depth. That would be good for 30-35 wins in an 82-game season.
Then at least we could re-build through the lottery I guess. Oh, wait, look at our recent draft history. Otis will find a way to screw that up too.
Time to pull a Denver?
Denver is much better post Melo trade. We have played will without Dwighton the floor this year. Team is more focused and better ball movement. Dwight is obviously the needy player on the team and a good guy, but sometimes teams are better without the stars. We need a shot creator? Trade Dwight and Nelson for Curry and +
by dukenilnil on Jan 27, 2012 8:19 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Except Dwight is a top 3 player and Melo wasn't....despite what ESPN wants you to believe.
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by magicfaninTN on Jan 27, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the type of game that proves you suck. they blow us out we lay down. We blow them out and we take our foot off the pedal. why try so hard to get howard involved when he was getting shut down by KG thus killing our ball movement and becoming sitting ducks. Players getting mad for wanting fouls that weren’t fouls(yeah i’m looking at you anderson) and getting T’s. Why didn’t stan put clark back in the 2nd half. He was doing great defensively on KG and Pierce(and solid offensively) he could have tried to them slow since glen sucked and Q was too short. At this point i’m saying sit glen and jameer and try Harper, Liggins, and Orton because we can’t do worst. This game without a doubt showed we’re not ready to compete for a title with way we are playing and stan’s coaching. This game haunts magic fans.
Although Amway Center is a beautiful stadium...
The fans are horrible. Yea I said it. I don’t blame Dwight for wanting to leave for lack of “home court advantage” alone. last night reminded me of the ‘09 finals when you see more yellow shirts in the stands than blue and white. And no, I’m not saying that’s why the celts handed us our own asses but for the home team hearing the visitors getting more love (especially the celtics) is disgusting.
by Memphissleek on Jan 27, 2012 9:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
That's partly just because there are so many transplants here in Central Florida.
The Magic fans are horrible, I agree, but they can’t help that this town has so many people from other places living here and making sure they go to their team’s game against the Magic.
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by slickw143 on Jan 27, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that shot creation is a major problem.
But to me the key difference here between the 09 team is that team would’ve kept playing defense. Really the Celtics were emboldened by getting quality looks on the offensive end because of our lax defense. They kept playing defense even when down by 27 and it fed their offense. If we’d matched that on the defensive end I think we keep them frustrated enough and buy ourselves some time to score. I think you’d have seen them give up a lot sooner. Instead we gave them an opening and the Celtics are too smart and talented to pass that up.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
Defense win championships
Which is why i want clark and liggins on the floor more. That defense (or clarks defense) was great without howard on the floor the 1st half. Then we went straight offense and lost.
Spot on, cgsimone
The Magic’s defense has been a major disappointment this season. The Celtics really took advantage of the lax defense in the final 27 minutes.
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by Mike from Illinois on Jan 27, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
So........ashamed.
Whoever heard of a cat eating porridge? Why can't we have a mouse like other pussycats?
Also howard's at fault here as much the 4 other starters
4 plays straight to him with no pts and key TO’s. We were doing so great without him on floor. and i’m sick of him yelling HHHHHHEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYY everytime he posts to baskets and wanting everything to be a foul when some aren’t.
I've got $20 to the first reporter willing to call out Howard to his face on this one.
For the first time, I’ll compare Howard to LeBron James in non-basketball terms…and it’s not a flattering comparison. For all Howard’s talk about “Championship Mentality”, he needs to start with himself.
The quesiton I’d like to see:
“You have said in mulitple interviews that you would like to be on a team that has a “championship mentality”. However, it’s worth noting that when things got physical and the Magic’s lead started faltering, you seemed just as on your heels as anyone in a Magic uniform. Do you feel at all hypocritical complaining about your teammates mentality when you seem to have the same hinderance?"
That’s actually being a bit kind, because I think it’s common knowledge that Howard gets frustrated more easily in games than many players, including several of those on his team.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Jan 27, 2012 9:54 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm, maybe that's why he wants to go to another team with a closer?
Where he wont have that type of responsibility. That’s kinda lame, he would be the Robin to someone else’s Batman.
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by North of the South on Jan 27, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
I don't even know if I should begin to reconsider my stand on not trading Howard and let him walk.
Of course, the Magic have only been horrible against the Celtics, and bad vs. the Bulls.
Remember how in ’09 we were all praying not to get paired up with the Pistons for the playoffs? At least we now know which team we HAVE TO AVOID this year.
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by North of the South on Jan 27, 2012 9:55 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
How about that trade...
Big Baby for B. Bass isn’t looking so great right now. Bass is flourishing in Boston’s system, just as he did with New Orleans before he signed w/ Orlando. Please fire Otis already and Alex Martins needs to have a stern sit down with SVG on his coaching style, for how smart the guy (SVG) is he is also inconsistent in terms of judhing the talent on the court, if a guy is “on fire” you need to ride that (see Anderson last night) and keep him fresh. I dont like to judge off one game, but it’s no longer over-reacting to a game, its turned into a cycle. Changes need to come and quick.
Bass has changed nothing in that system, he's still the lost jumpshot shooter who can't understand basic defensive rotations.
Davis is better at defensive rotations
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by 4QB on Jan 27, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bass vs Big Baby '11-'12
A lost jump shooter who can’t understatnd basic defensive rotations"??? Then what does that make Big Baby Davis?
2011-2012 Season stats
Bass (11.8 ppg 6.4 rpg .6 apg .7 bpg FGP 48%)
Big Baby (8.0 ppg 5.5 rpg .6apg .3 bpg FGP 37%)
by FamousAtticus on Jan 27, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Uh, 4QB made a point about defensive rotations and you posted offensive boxscore #s. Wut?
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by magicfaninTN on Jan 27, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Okay.. So we're all in agreement that the 4-1 offense will DOOM us?
SVG won’t sit players, take players off the bench, hopes he can win by shooting threes, panics, disses the players in front of the media..
Can we Fire him now??
no
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by magicfaninTN on Jan 27, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Um no
Do you even enjoy the Magic wins? Why do you only comment during losses?
If the Magic must trade Dwight, Hedo better stay. He needs to retire a Magic.
by funny80sguy on Jan 27, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Most of us are frustrated because we know the Magic are capable of playing much better and coaching much better
…than they’ve shown in the two bad losses to Boston.
The Magic are 12-6, which is good, but everyone needs to get better and more consistent in the remaining 48 games if they hope to remain a solid contender in the East.
It starts tonight at New Orleans.
Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 Stanley Cup Champions, and contenders for 2012
Chicago Bears... as many playoff wins this year as Green Bay... zero
Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions, and contenders for 2012
by Mike from Illinois on Jan 27, 2012 6:35 PM EST reply actions
Yeah i know what your talking about
Here’s the thing. When we move the ball around and penetrate and start to flow as a team with good defense, making TO’s, and everybodies getting involved. We shine. BRIGHT. but the problem is they do it for 1/2, 1, or 2 quarters. and forget what they did or abandon it altogether. Stan has to make them keep that mentality. It’s not about always needing a go-to-guy but good team basketball. If stan doesn’t get this under controll, more disappointments are fit to come.
That was the most shameful regular season loss I can remember.
I even blurted out to my girlfriend that the Magic were losing that game when I saw the lead cut to 11 going into the 4th. The writing was on the wall. Even worse, I didn’t get to Ale House to watch it until the score was 52-27…. so I pretty much got to watch the damn punk Celtics outscore the Magic by 33 points while trying to force down food.
A lot of people share blame for last night, but I put the most responsibility on Stan, Dwight, Hedo, and Glen. They were all awful in the second half. Dwight still can’t avoid getting punked by KG and lets him get away with cheap stuff. Stan again failed in making adjustments to what Boston was doing, which is ridiculous because he’s outcoached Doc Rivers several times before. Hedo was just bad down the stretch. And Glen needs to stop firing up jump shots from outside his range with so much time on the shot clock. Ugh.
Also, glad to see people still trying to pile on Jameer, even though he had 11, 5, and 5 with only 1 TO. When he left the game in the 3rd injured, the team was up 16. When he came back in, the game was tied. Yes, blame one guy again for this loss.
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