Dwight Howard Trade Rumors: Orlando Magic May Keep Superstar Beyond Trade Deadline, Might Deal for Steve Nash, According To Report
by Evan Dunlap on Jan 20, 2012 3:48 PM EST
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PrintRather than beginning their rebuilding efforts by trading Dwight Howard prior to the March 15 deadline, the Orlando Magic could instead look to bolster their roster by making a trade for a high-impact player, reports Ken Berger of CBSSports.com, hoping to get back into championship contention and to convince their superstar center not to leave town when he becomes a free agent this summer.
Berger says Orlando's 10-4 start, coupled with iffy showings by the Boston Celtics and Miami Heat, has emboldened the Magic's efforts to make one last push to avoid losing their once-in-a-generation talent. To that end, Berger says, citing sources, the team "has not ruled out making a play for Steve Nash."
Though 37 years old and with a balky back, Nash nonetheless leads the NBA with 10.1 assists per game while scoring 15.1 points of his own, shooting 55.2 percent from the field. The surefire Hall-of-Fame point guard hasn't asked the Phoenix Suns for a trade--"I don't feel like it's choosing a restaurant," Nash told ESPN.com in early January about the possibility of requesting a trade--but Phoenix could attempt to trade its franchise player if its struggles continue.
Though keeping Howard beyond the trade deadline would be risky for Orlando, Berger says it's mindful of the possibility the Los Angeles Clippers' offering Blake Griffin, the reigning Rookie of the Year, in a sign-and-trade deal for Howard once free agency begins.
A report Monday indicated Howard would sign a long-term deal with the Clippers. Otis Smith, Orlando's President of Basketball Operations, said neither Howard nor Dan Fegan, Howard's agent, added the Clippers to Howard's "wish list" of teams to which he'd like to be traded, Josh Robbins of the Orlando Sentinel reported. Orlando has granted Fegan permission to discuss trades with the Los Angeles Lakers, New Jersey Nets, and Dallas Mavericks. Howard, too, denied interest in the Clippers.
Berger says the report, initially made by Chris Sheridan, is accurate: though Howard wouldn't seek a Clippers trade during the season, he might during the free-agent period, which is when a sign-and-trade deal for Griffin could become possible.
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not trying to be a pessimist for you guys
but i dont think come free agency if you were to aquire nash that he being 38 come that time will convince dwight to stay…i think dwight just wants a bigger market
by netsyankees4life on Jan 20, 2012 3:58 PM EST reply actions
Dwight did give his blessing to Old Man Billups...
I think landing Nash would make him happy. I don’t know, however, how long it would keep him happy for. I think this is a pipe dream. Too much stuff suggests Nash to NY on his own next year anyway.
by gagne west on Jan 20, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
dont listen to the BSPN garbage and berger
they are ridiculously biased towards the lakers heat and knicks its unreal. Especially berger hes a huge knicks fan. He HATES the nets…deron has even called him out before saying hes a joke lol he called him “ken hamberger”
by netsyankees4life on Jan 20, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How about Moe Williams PG-Clippers
for a draft pick or…
by lemonlyme69 on Jan 20, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, because bringing in Mo Williams really convinced the last big free agent to stay in town.
See also: Lebron.
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by magicfaninTN on Jan 20, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Moe is playing exceptionally well. He would be a terrific upgrade to our bench.
Earl Clark and a pick.
by JeffShann3 on Jan 21, 2012 11:37 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Mo Williams can't be your 2nd best player.
That’s what Cleveland’s problem was.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
It isn't about convincing him to stay, its about going for the title this year.
Nash comes off the books this year and most certainly would be a rental. But if we win it all? Well worth it.
yeah but if you dont get nash or someone
would you be on board for trading dwight instead of taking a chance at keeping dwight be it a small one?
by netsyankees4life on Jan 20, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Nope.
Haven’t seen a deal that would be worth trading the best center in the game. If we trade him for decent players, it just makes us mediocre and takes us out of a good draft spot, if he walks, we’re bad for a couple years and build via draft and FA. 2 years of crappiness is worth it when it compares to 5 years of mediocrity.
by JeffShann3 on Jan 20, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you wont get a better rebuilding package
than lopez picks and big cap relief
by netsyankees4life on Jan 20, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Then we'll let him walk
Nothing would, quite literally, be better than that.
Bob.
by The Dark on Jan 20, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
dont think the Magic will be that crappy
nelson, turkoglu, anderson, and j-rich are all decent scorers.
by bettacalltyrone on Jan 20, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Without Howard in the middle demanding other teams to double-team him, there wont be open three pointers for any of them.
The Magic without Howard are not a playoff team, in my humble opinion.
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by North of the South on Jan 20, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
I think they could possibly still be a playoff team, but we're talking 8th seed, 7th if the stars align
but it doesn’t matter, being a lottery team is better than being that.
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But
Lopez and Bynum can demand a double team too. Of course they arent nearly as Dwight is on both ends of the floor. But they both are in my opinion two of the top ten centers in the league. The Magic could easily be a 6th seed by addind either of them. The key in all of this would be a solid draft pick like the nets are offering. In this deep draft a lottery pick could bring in a future allstar to lift this team back into true contention.
by bettacalltyrone on Jan 24, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
On that note...
… neither would post-Dwight team play the same game of ball. Clearly, adjustments would be made.
He will be a Knick next year, I have no doubt about that.
He’s made his money, he’s won MVPs, he can get 1 or 2 more shots in NY in a perfect offensive system for him.
Mo Wiliams would look good..
in a Magic uniform.
by lemonlyme69 on Jan 20, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
The Knicks are farther away from "1 or 2 shots" at a title than Steve Nash
The Magic, on the other hand…
I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?
It is about winning this year first...
…then possibly get the big man to sign the max extention and get Nash to sign for two more years. I’d think the Suns would take Nelson and a 1st rounder for Nash right now (and I think the league would allow it). It’s kind of a ‘we owe you one’. Nash comes to Orlando and the Magic are legit this year!
PG – Nash, (maybe let JJ learn the point from one the best!), Duhon
SG – slew of folk
SF – Anderson, Turk
PF – Big Baby, Anderson
C – Howard, Big Baby
The Magic cannot trade their 2012 first round pick without getting a 2012 first round pick back in return. Because they traded their 2011 first round pick. (stepien rule)
With Dwight Howard uncertain for next year trading a 2013 or 2014 pick would be insanity. So the Magic don’t really have the ability to include any picks in a trade other than maybe lottery or top-20 protected picks, which do not carry the value to make a major difference in a big deal.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Jan 21, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
I thought you could trade your first rounder for nothing
As long as you kept a first rounder in one of the next two seasons. So the Magic can’t trade their 2013 first round pick if they trade their 2012 one, but they can keep trading out of the first round in each new season.
by eltharion_doa on Jan 23, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
No, that's not how it works.
But upon further review I think that the Magic can trade their first round pick this year.
It’s not about compensation. Or whether or not you trade your first round pick for nothing or something.
The rule doesn’t apply to past seasons. So you cannot under any circumstances trade two consecutive future picks. But you can trade a draft pick no matter how many consecutive picks you have traded in the past.
So the Magic could trade their 2012 pick. But they could not trade their 2012 & 2013 picks together. But if they traded their 2012 pick and allowed the 2012 draft to go by afterward they could trade their 2013 pick.
This is not because of intent but because the NBA is not an effective legislative entity.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Jan 23, 2012 3:08 AM EST up reply actions
That's what I mean
You can always trade your first round pick in the next draft, even if you traded it in the last draft (and however many drafts before that).
You just can’t trade your next two first round picks – you always have to have a first round draft pick in one out of any two future seasons (up to the draft pick trade limit of 7 seasons).
What I mean by “for nothng” is in the sense that they don’t have to get a first rounder in return – they can trade their 2012 pick for nothing in terms of immediate draft picks.
I mean, they can trade it for genuinely nothing (the rights to an essentially retired player is sufficient for a trade under NBA rules whilst having almost zero actual value) but obviously they wouldn’t.
by eltharion_doa on Jan 23, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, sorry.
I had a big chinese new year and put too much emphasis on the “for nothing” part.
You’re right.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Jan 23, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Steve Nash on Orlando equals best offense in the league.
Make it happen. Not sure how. Just do it.
by Sci Fi on Jan 20, 2012 4:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Don't the Magic already have the best offense in the league?
Not saying that Nash wouldn’t be great, but defense is where the problem has been so far this year.
I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?
Sample size is too small.
I see no reason that this team shouldn’t be a top 3 defensive team like last year.Basically the same pieces. If Howard is focused, they be fine.
sample size sample size sample size
21% of the season is completed.
At some point we have to take this season seriously for what’s happening in it.
By the time everyone is satisfied with the “sample size” it will be the off-season again.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Jan 20, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They'd probably take a lottery pick
But I doubt they’d take a 25-30 pick as the Magic will have.
by eltharion_doa on Jan 23, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
2 things
1) Berger never says how magic would get Nash. Certainly other teams could offer more
2) assuming Nash means missing Nelson, what do the magic due next year or at best year after for pg. Boston is exhibited 1 in not herring too old too quickly
by dukenilnil on Jan 20, 2012 4:07 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Your kidding yourself
If we dont have Dwight next year we wont matter. We’d deal Nelson anyways just for the young guy he might bring
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jan 20, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
We always matter to me
and always will Dwight or not
Keep Hedo
by Satch30 on Jan 20, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, but if "not Dwight" happens,
you need to be prepared to be terrible for a couple years, in order to be good in the years after that.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Jan 20, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
And you know what, that's fine, because you're a fan.
It’s only bad when the GM has that same attitude that mediocrity is better than being terrible for a couple years for the greater long-term good.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Jan 22, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
w/Greg Monroe and a..
couple of draft picks and he can have Detroit in the Winter.
by lemonlyme69 on Jan 20, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
If Dwight leaves, I can afford tickets for a few years.
It would kind of suck watching them lose, but the beer and hot dogs would still be good.
Nelson can opt out at the end of this year anyway.
Not that he’s really playing like it is a contract year, though.
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by magicfaninTN on Jan 20, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
They do whatever they do
It’s impossible to predict anything that far into the future. The scenario is completely different if the Magic win the title with Nash and Howard than it is if they bomb out in the first round, for example.
by eltharion_doa on Jan 23, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
So who do we give up for Nash? JJ? Ryan? Unless it 100% insures Dwight stays I don’t like it.
by Randall1178 on Jan 20, 2012 4:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
maybe JJ. maybe.
I really don’t know. you try to offer a pick and an expiring (clark?) along with nelson and see what happens. if they need nelson and JJ, Idk what the correct choice is at that point.
by JeffShann3 on Jan 21, 2012 11:45 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Take it
I like Redick, but Nash will spark Richardson back to life and the Magic have other options at two guard now.
by eltharion_doa on Jan 23, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
I agree, if they wanted JJ I'd do it in a heartbeat, if they wanted Ryan I'd have to pass.
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For what it's worth
Nash + Childress for Nelson and Redick works. Throw in a draft pick…
by eltharion_doa on Jan 23, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
We would have to give up someone to get him this year.
Likely Jameer and at least one other piece. Would they ask for JJ or Ryan? Is that really worth it?
As for free agency next year, I think anybody looking at the Magic have to have assurance from Dwight that he’s staying if they are going to come here. Right now nobody is looking to come to the Magic.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
Is it possible that Orlando could take some garbage from Phoenix, like Childress.
Essentially buy him? Along with Nelson maybe.
how would orlando be able to take on nash's and childresses contracts? Its not possible
by netsyankees4life on Jan 20, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Bring in Deron..
but it would cost the Magic..
by lemonlyme69 on Jan 20, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Nash is a FA at the end of the season
If he’s going to spend the rest of the season as a rental, I don’t think it would take much to convince him to rent his time to Howard and a title contending Magic.
by eltharion_doa on Jan 23, 2012 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
Why do I have the fear Otis will make a trade that won’t keep Dwight here? And will cost us one of our best players which will just further push us away from wining a championship
by Randall1178 on Jan 20, 2012 4:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Stop. Just stop.
Nash is not coming to orlando ever. He has already said he will never leave the suns. And why would we want a 40 year old guy with one season left in him. The amount of players we would have to give up we would end up with a team of nash and howard.
Nash says all the right things. He doesn't want to be traded, but if he was dealt to a good team, he'd be fine.
Plus, if he’s dealt somewhere other than NY it will make it much easier for him to leave as a free agent. It’s a win-win for him and the Suns.
by JeffShann3 on Jan 21, 2012 11:48 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'm not against acquiring Steve Nash in principle.
He is still a great NBA point guard. And he even seems like he has a couple more seasons in him. Plus he is an expiring contract.
But.
The Magic would end up looking something like this:
C – Howard
PF – Davis
SF – Turkoglu
SG – Richardson
PG – Nash
With no bench and taking the ball out of Hedo’s hands making him more like the Toronto/Phoenix version of Hedo and not the much better Magic version.
That is not winning the championship this year.
It’s also surrounding Howard with; Nash 38, Turkoglu 31, Richardson 31. If anything that is giving Howard a better reason to leave after the end of the season.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Jan 20, 2012 4:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree
that it would probably limit Turk and that’s not a good thing. The flip may be that we get Richardson going with Nash again but still I don’t think it gets us over the hump.
You have Davis in the starting lineup. Does it say somewhere that Ryan would definitely be part of a deal for Nash?
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
Can avoid the Turk problem by having him come of f the bench and staying q rich or j rich at sf. Turk would help ball movement on second unit too
by dukenilnil on Jan 20, 2012 4:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
This deal is a hail mary to keep Howard.
The Suns have all the leverage.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2coa67o + a pick
seems like the most obvious deal.
The Magic don’t have many intriguing young talents and the Suns are under no pressure to trade Nash. Not a recipe for a favorable deal.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Jan 20, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
I just honestly don't see the point if we have to give up Ryan.
The only reason to make a hail mary rental trade is to send your team over the top and I don’t think this does that.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
by cgsimone on Jan 20, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, but the Magic have a hard time seeing beyond the current season. That has always been a problem for them.
I think that they would pull the trigger on a Ryan + Jameer for Steve deal.
I can almost hear Otis Smith saying, “When you have the opportunity to acquire a two-time MVP you have to consider it. And we thought that it this was the best chance for our team to win this year.”
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Jan 20, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh.
can we trade Otis Smith?
by JeffShann3 on Jan 21, 2012 11:51 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
That's so true it hurts my soul.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Howard doesn't really care about winning a championship...
Because Orlando is the closest to getting it. NJ, LA, Dallas, and heck, you can add Phoenix, NY, and the Clippers in there… None of them are as close as Orlando. We have hungry players, veterans, young talent, and a great coach who emphasizes defense.
The bad thing is that all that and Howard doesn’t care.
I might have to agree with you on this...
Those other teams don’t have very much on the Magic. It just pains me to think he just wants out of ORL for no good reason. Obviously he has the chance to get a ring here and a crap load more $$$ ($30 mill + tax breaks!).
He wants to get a lot more Adidas money - winning would be a bonus
Still the only thing that makes sense and why he says things about the need to “take care of his family.”
I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?
Adidas Money >>> Magic Money
If derrick rose’s $250 mil contract is any indication, dwight could get $100 mil more just for playing in a large market. Trumps any salary and tax advantage he might get for playing in florida. Moreover, he loves the spotlight. NY and LA can give him those things, while orlando cannot.
by WhatAboutFran on Jan 21, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
Rose got paid because he's a guard
Not because he plays in Chicago.
by eltharion_doa on Jan 23, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly, it's just all the more reason to hate Adidas. They must just hate Orlando, first they screwed over UCF and now they are trying to screw over the Magic.
They’re never going to get my money…..ever.
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by malenko on Jan 21, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Technically, UCF screwed them over.
Jordan didn’t want to wear anything but his J’s (for obvious reasons) and Adidas said it was a breach of contract (which it was). So they dumped their contract at the end of the season and, imo, UCF got a better deal out of it by going with Nike. Nike’s dri-fit stuff was killin’ it in the bookstores, way better than Adidas.
by JeffShann3 on Jan 23, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would agree with you if it weren't for the fact...
UCF had asked for permission from Adidas for Jordan to wear Nike and they said it wouldn’t be an issue, then all of the sudden after he arrives it is one. I’m sure it was Adidas’s plan all along, to try and make Nike/MJ brand look bad.
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Jersey are closer
Williams + Howard + junk > Howard + junk. Ditto the Clippers (Paul + Howard), ditto the Knicks (’Melo + Howard).
by eltharion_doa on Jan 23, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Disagree.
Williams, Dwight, and who else? Same thing with New York – Carmelo, Dwight, and who else? Paul and Dwight(?) now that is a maybe, but for the first two, I really can’t see how could they possibly be closer to championship than this Orlando team.
As opposed to Dwight and... ???
Ryan Anderson??
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