How about Rubio and/or Love?
by Mr. Hyde on Jan 15, 2012 7:40 AM EST
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I guess I'm not the only one who, you know, thinks that Minnesota's duo, Rubio and Love, are fun to watch, but does anyone think some kind of deal could be done where we could acquire either of men, if not both? Say, trading Jameer and - I don't know - Jason Richardson(?) for Rubio and say, Randolph(?) since it is highly unlikely that we could get package of both Rubio and Love unless, of course, we're sending Dwight in return, and we all know that will never happened. In ideal conditions, I wouldn't mind parting with Anderson and whoever else not named Dwight in addition to Jameer and Richardson if that is what it takes to get us Rubio and Love, but once again, I don't see Minnesota giving up on their biggest assets unless Dwight is not part of that story; though, on the second thought, Kahn is Kahn, so you know, who knows, perhaps we should try :-)
But to go back to more "realistic" scenarios, I don't know if salaries are matching (Jameer and Richardson for Rubio and Randolph), but I would really like to see Rubio on our team - even more than Love since, you know, we already have a solid starter in Anderson - and Randolph could definitely fill that need for backup center. JJ would, of course, in that scenario automatically become our starting shooting guard, Wafer his backup. I think that is not too bad.
PG - Rubio / Duhon
SG - Redick / Wafer
SF - Turkoglu / Q. Richardson
PF - Anderson / Davis
C - Dwight / Randolph
Anyone think this trade is possible? If not, what would we need to give to Minnesota to get Rubio back? Or perhaps I should first ask, does anyone see Rubio as an upgrade over Nelson? To me, Jameer is done. He has always been short, but this season he looks particularly bad, and if we don't trade him now while he is still worth something - is he actually worth anything anymore? - the chances are he'll worth nothing next year. Any opinions? Does anyone have an idea how could we get Kevin Love to Orlando perhaps? Would you trade Howard for Love and Rubio package?
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Another trade scenario?
Why would Minnesota agree to such trade? Oh … Khan! Really? Is he that stupid? At least include an assessment of salaries matching … I doubt that there is a match.
Yes, another trade scenario.
And please, just because you disagree, there is no need to be rude. I nicely said that I do not know if the salaries matching, so yeah, sorry for not providing you with enough stats, but as I said (read my comment bellow) I was not proposing any specific trade, but rather just trying to open a discussion. And Kahn remark? Well, for someone who thinks so highly of himself, I thought you would recognize the sarcasm.
I'm sorry if this sounded ludicrous :-)
It was just a thought, and I was not necessarily proposing the exact same trade scenario as suggested above, but rather trying to open a discussion where someone could perhaps offer a more realistic scenario than I did. If you noticed, at the end of the post I even asked would you (Magic fans) be fine with Howard going to Minnesota if that would mean getting back Rubio and Love. Not that will ever happened, of course, but what is wrong with some discussion? The bottom line is, I opened one, and if you want to join, please do; if not, then don’t – it is as simple as that.
The thing is, it's ridiculous.
Not only would the salaries not work, Minnesota isn’t trading the one thing that’s worked for them since they lost Garnett.
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
Zero chance
There is absolutely no chance they are trading a guy they waited for this long now that he’s here and playing well.
No to this trade idea...but Rubio may end up helping the Magic anyways.
From all that I read, Fran Vazquez was pretty close to coming over to the NBA this past off season — but the impending lockout ended up driving him to sign a 1-year extension with his Spanish team. That contract ends this off-season, obviously. Rubio’s success in the NBA may add further influence on Vazquez finally coming over to the NBA — and to the Magic.
If Howard isn’t traded by then, or if the Magic get assurances from Fran before the trade deadline…the entire calculus of Howard’s trade-drama changes, as the Magic would gain a very solid trade chip for “nothing”.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Jan 16, 2012 11:52 AM EST reply actions
You don't have to be.
I think most Magic fans would rather see him used as a trade chip at this point. It could be argued that Anderson/Howard are one of the top frontlines in the league, if not “the” top. As Davis gets back into his game, he’s proven very valuable — and Howard wanted him. Between those 3, plus young talent in Harper/Clark/Orton…the Magic really don’t need to keep Vazquez — and he’s basically a solid trade chip that can be added on top of any starter in order to net a replacement starter of better quality.
How about a sign&trade in the off season with Vazquez+Nelson+Rookie for D-Will? Nets get a solid starting PG back, a formitable front court of Vazquez/Lopez, and a young role player…while the Magic’s only real change in rotation is Nelson for D-Will. Nets get better overall and keep good cap space. Magic get an All-Star PG to pair with Howard.
^Now that’s obviously a pipe dream, and trades are much more difficult to make than a trade “idea” is to write on a blog. But that’s just an example off the top of my head.
Also…while I know many Magic fans don’t like Vazquez all that much due to the ditching-the-NBA, it’s worth noting that he’s still a starter quality C. So if there really is no way to keep Howard in Orlando, the Magic wouldn’t be totally boxed into a trade revolving around another big. “Big for Small” is generally a no-no, but if Vazquez comes over, the Magic might have more freedom to go after a true All-Star wing or PG while also adding depth to the backcourt.
Again — all easier said than done. But given the possibilities opened up by Fran finally signing with the Magic, I really hope somone is on the phone trying to get him to commit to playing in the NBA next year.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Jan 17, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If we're going to give up Jameer AND Richardson, we should be getting back a more proven star like Chris Paul.
Don’t get me wrong, Rubio’s got potential, but that’s a lot to give up for potential.
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by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT
I want a BUC'N criminal investigation.
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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT
by internet commenter on Jan 16, 2012 9:33 PM EST reply actions
I just realized how ridiculous this sounded.
The Clippers are unlikely to want to trade Paul so soon, so swap him out for Deron Williams.
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by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT
I want a BUC'N criminal investigation.
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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT
by internet commenter on Jan 16, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
I think it could get D Rose.
WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE
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by joeybw
I wouldn't mind trading Jameer and Richardson...
… if that would lend us Rubio and a serviceable big.
The Wolves are not trading Rubio.
They waited two years for him, and right now, he’s the most exciting thing in the city. (Love is obviously better, and I’m not saying the Wolves’ fans don’t love him… but at the moment, Rubio is more exciting for the fans.) If they trade him for some mid-level veterans now, that’ll upset the fans dramatically — even if it makes them a better team in the short term.
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
by 3.3seconds on Jan 17, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Right now, Minnesota has the issue of the contract extension for Love.
I think he is looking to throw a monkey wrench into the already ominous 2012 free agency class. LOOKOUT!
Well, there you go.
Isn’t that something to look into? Isn’t that something that a good GM on a contending team would try to exploit? I never said that we actually have a shot at him or Rubio – call everything I wrote in that original post a “pipe dream” if you will – but that is what our front office should be doing – to be aggressive and pursue real talent rather than constantly trading for the players who are over the hill.
And let's not forget that Minnesota is actually in a need of a quality shooting guard.
Wes Johnson is a failure at that position, Ridnour is not the one. So, why not see if they would take Richardson, and if not Nelson – I really included Jameer in that whole equation only because they would definitely need a new playmaker if they were to part with Rubio – then whoever else, for one of those guys? I mean, I really don’t think any of this is all that far from possible, and it is certainly worth of try, even if it sounds completely unrealistic right now. Remember(?) he who dares, wins. By the way, how did Lakers got Pau(?) someone remind me.
Otis' previous transactions, however perceived, have been well kept secrets.
This Dwight Howard thing is the only thing that leaked, and that was not on Otis. Who knows what Otis is on the phone doing. But most teams aren’t gonna do anything til they see where they stand about 20 games in, so give it about 10-15 days, and the real rumors will start to rumble again.
by the.pianolady on Jan 18, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Regarding J-Rich
Isn’t there a rule about trading someone you just signed after a certain amount of days?
"I may be wrong...but I doubt it"~Charles Barkley
He can't be traded until after March 1st.
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A little off topic and I'm not a fan of trade scenarios, but...
With the Celtics having fallen off a cliff, would they have any interest in flipping Rondo to rebuild? Would the Magicwant him? Would Dwight?
I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?
Rondo is the only one of their stars that is young enough to keep during rebuilding.
I think it’d be easier (cheaper) to get Garnett or Allen than Rondo. (Pierce is probably going to retire a Celt for sentimental reasons)
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Jan 18, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Ray Allen - for the super low right price, OK
But KG these days? Other than maybe teaching Dwight some tricks to get away with murder right in front of an official, do not want. Have you seen him this year? Pretty sure I’ve got a better vertical leap at this point.
I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?
Yeah, I was thinking Ray Allen too, especially if it only costs J-rich+rookie
I can just imagine a SG rotation of JJ & Allen…wow!
by the.pianolady on Jan 18, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Howard loves Rondo, but even if the Celtic's were open to trade him, we don't have enough value to get him.
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Oh, I get it. Just thinking when realizing how bad they were (and they haven't had a tough schedule)
I do wonder if Rondo might ask to be traded because he doesn’t want to rebuild. Not that the Magic have expiring deals or anything, but with a 3-teamer, who knows.
I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?
Well, Jameer is the next best thing to an expiring, w/only a PO left after the season.
Their re-build is going to take a couple yrs anyway, and Jameer+J-rich for Rondo+Allen w/a youngster+pick combo would keep them in playoff contention while they wait for KG & Pierce’s contracts to expire. Then, there would only be peanuts left on J-rich’s deal (1-2 yrs). I’d say look for them to pull the trigger if they still suck by the All-Star break.
by the.pianolady on Jan 18, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
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