Dwight Howard Trade Rumors: Orlando Magic Renege on New Jersey Nets Deal, According to Report
by Evan Dunlap on Jan 15, 2012 6:09 PM EST
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PrintThe Orlando Magic agreed to trade Dwight Howard to the New Jersey Nets for a package including Brook Lopez sometime in December, Alex Kennedy of HOOPSWORLD reports, but "Orlando's ownership stepped in and stopped it at the last second." The Nets are, understandably, unhappy with Orlando due to its backing out of the deal. In addition to losing out on Howard, the league's best center, New Jersey also lost Lopez for several months when he broke a bone in his foot shortly after Orlando backed out of the trade.
New Jersey is among three teams with which Howard would sign a long-term deal as a free agent; the other two are the Los Angeles Lakers and Dallas Mavericks. Prior to the start of the season, Howard asked Magic management to trade him.
Lopez is thought to be among the better center prospects in the league, but took a step back in 2010/11, averaging just six rebounds per game and shooting below 50 percent despite his size and position.
According to Steve Kyler, a colleague of Kennedy's at HOOPSWORLD, Orlando has delayed trading Howard because "there is no deal the Magic can make today thats [sic] better than the deal they can make in July via sign & trade." It wouldn't make sense to trade Howard now when better deals might come along later. And the Magic could retain him past the March 15 trading deadline, hoping to either convince him to re-sign during the offseason or instead working a sign-and-trade deal over the summer.
Further, the Magic believe any offer on the table for Howard now will still be there later; that includes a trade package built around Lakers center Andrew Bynum, who's averaging career-bests in scoring (16.4) and in rebounding (13.8, including four offensive boards).
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So Otis did think that Brook has potential.
Thank god for the Devos family.
by Leandro. on Jan 15, 2012 6:16 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
How do
You make a trade your bosses hate and keep your jo
by dukenilnil on Jan 15, 2012 6:21 PM EST via Android app reply actions 2 recs
That was my first reaction to reading this.
I don’t get it. Aren’t you supposed to run something of this magnitude by ownership first?
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Jan 15, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously, Otis is still employed???
He was going to do this horrible trade? He was going to make a move when he had very little leverage instead of making the Nets (and any other potential suitor) sweat? And he’s still employed?!?!
I can only hope this is false. My brain honestly can’t withstand anymore bumbling idiocy from Otis as our GM.
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One explanation for Otis still having his job is that the Magic don't want to remain without a GM in a time like this.
Maybe there are no experienced GM’s willing to take the job, to have to decide upon the franchise future… so the only option left is to stick with the GM they currently have.
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by North of the South on Jan 15, 2012 6:52 PM EST reply actions
And fire him as soon as this fiasco is over, one way or the other?
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Otis is gone either way
If Orl loses out on Dwight, Otis is fired due to questionable personnel decisions. If we are somehow able to keep Dwight, one has to question w/ this back and forth between D12 and Otis… that D12 will ask for a change in GM.
by CBMagic85 on Jan 15, 2012 7:07 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I've been hearing and reading this on a lot of articles but didn't Dwight say he would sign with four teams, including Orlando, and not just the three that keep being mentioned?
I mean I know that he asked for a trade but has he said that he won’t sign here and I missed it?
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
by BigMac12111 on Jan 15, 2012 7:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If I’m not mistaken, Dwight never ruled out resigning here. What he simply wants (I’m just taking a wild guess) is to be heard regarding personnel decisions & another superstar (that’s why he came up with that list). But then again, you hear all these reports & his interview with his desire to play in a bigger market..
by CBMagic85 on Jan 15, 2012 7:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I Just Don't Understand How He Has a Job
Is it a financial issue? Where his contract was extended, and they just don’t want to spend more money?
Is it senility?
I haven’t seen one person even offer a suggestion as to why Otis is still employed here.
I disagree with this "every trade will be there so we can wait" idea.
Who cares if they will be there? The trades are all terrible.
- If the Magic are planning on rebuilding waiting is illogical because it is hurting draft position.
- If the Magic are trading for value then waiting is illogical because the new core will be the one competing in the playoffs so it is better to give the new core time to gel than to have Howard on the team temporarily.
In my mind the time to trade Howard is past. The only option that makes sense is to not trade Howard at all and make him actually leave money on the table and walk. The 1-in-a-million chance that Deron Williams comes to Orlando because the Nets are so incredibly awful is a better chance at a title than any of the trades being offered provide.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Jan 15, 2012 9:40 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Rec'd, I can't wrap my mind around the logic either if they have come to the choice he needs to be traded..
The only thing can be is that they must really honestly think there’s a chance he’ll change his mind and want to stay, either by monetary loss (doubt it) or that by the team being successful and maybe seeing his preferred destinations not being as good as they might have seemed at the time.
If Howard’s agent and Adidas are driving all of this as speculated, it could become a harder sell for them to Howard that moving is the best thing for him if he realizes that it could mean going through rebuilding as opposed to his current team which just needs a few tweaks.
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I'm sure that Howard saw the rumored $250 million adidas contract Drose got
I would to have Howards stay. However, that is just a slightly better deal than the extra $30 million the Magic could offer him. Would you really blame him for leaving the $30million on the table to go to a bigger market and potentially get a $250 million deal from adidas?
by space-ghost on Jan 16, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Two things at play here:
1) let’s assume this absurd 250 million dollar shoe deal with Rose is true. He got it because he’s in a big market, and Dwight would receive something similar. Just because he is in a big market doesn’t mean he will get 250 million in NY market, and nothing in Orlando. The larger market might be worth 50 million more, but not 250 million more.
2) Rose is a (slightly) younger PG with an MVP award. Dwight is a center who doesn’t have an MVP trophy (yet). Rose is a more marketable player in the shoe world bc more kids think they are Rose than Howard. Rose is small. So are they. Howard just looks like an absolute monster. There is a reason that despite Shaq being one of the most recognizable athletes in the 90s and 00s that he never got a big shoe deal and his sneaks were sold at WalMart. Big men shoes just aren’t as marketable as guards.
All of this is just a long winded explaination as to why Dwight, despite being quite possibly the most popular player in the league (the most all star votes and major endorsement deals in the NBA) will not receive anything close to what Rose got, even with the big market potential. Id guess that if Rose got 250 in a large market, Dwight would probably only get 150-200, and he would still probably get 150 in Orlando.
by JeffShann3 on Jan 16, 2012 12:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Dwight won a dunk contest. There is a big difference between Shaq and previous center's awkward big lumbering giant bodies vs Dwight and Griffin's high flying super athletic physiques. Don't kid yourself, the new hybrid bigs are very marketable.
by MagicLA on Jan 16, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't find actual sales figures, but I went onto the adidas website and went to their most popular shoes sales-wise
Rose has five of the top ten most popular shoes. And you can make the case that since Rose was the one to advertise the adiZero Crazy Light shoes (9.8 ounce shoes) he has all ten of the top shoes. Dwight on the other hand has the 13th selling shoe and that’s it. So while Dwight and Blake are marketable, they still aren’t connecting in the shoe department, or at least in Dwight’s case, so I’d have to agree with JeffShann on this one. Though I would like to say that I had Shaq shoes when I was smaller. But they were the only basketball shoes at Payless so that might be the reason.
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
Maybe
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
It's not about the MVP award as the story
Rose had the stories every day on every sports page about how amazing he was and vital to the team. Even when Dwight took a team starting Rafer freakin’ Alston and a rookie to the NBA finals he didn’t get that kind of recognition. Whether the press indifference (and impossible standards only Howard is held to) is because of the market he plays in or his position on the court, I have no idea.
No matter the cause, though, it is that treatment by the mainstream sports press that is the real problem for Howard and his marketability. Perhaps he thinks that will change in a bigger market. He might be right, but it is definitely a gamble.
(I do completely agree, though, that shoes of smaller guards are a far easier sell than big men for the very reasons you stated)
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Thanks for finding that info
And I remember Shaq’s shoes, but I had 3 pairs of Penny’s, never owned Shaqs. then it was AIs, not Duncan, and TMac and not KG. I do own a pair of Howards shoes now, but will never buy em again. they’re terrible.
by JeffShann3 on Jan 16, 2012 8:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
What's bad about them?
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
well
I think they’re just too heavy. Too bulky. I like the grip, there is just too much shoe to it. Thick padding is nice I guess, I prefer performance though in my hoop shoes.
by JeffShann3 on Jan 16, 2012 9:39 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I have some of Howard's from last year and like them.
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Rec.
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Every trade that is available now WILL be available at deadline, but along with those trades NEW trade options will arise.
Every year after the all-star break teams asses what they have and how they can reset themselves for the next season.
Otis Smith prematurely blew his assets last year in early December (one month into the season) by trading great assets for used parts. The 2011 All-Star Game was played on Feb 20th; Deron Williams was traded to NJ on Feb 24th for a good prospect center and an often injured point guard plus 2 high lottery protected 1st rd picks.
That is why you wait.
Thankfully Magic ownership blocked this NJ trade and stopped him from prematurely blowing yet again. Right now we could be stuck with a broken center and change.
Howard will be traded, but only after all options are on the board the week of March 15th.
This. 100 times over this.
Except of the trading thing. I feel it is far from a sure thing.
If the team is playing well they will take him to the offseason. They will then attempt to keep him by either not opting out or resigning him. Worst case scenario they sign and trade him then.
What I would love to see (though it’s about as likely as the Rubio/Love trade post) is to see Dwight pull a mid-season Willis Reed and announce he’s changed his mind and wants to stay. Sure, it won’t likely happen, but since I have no control either way, I prefer to imagine that being the reality.
I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?
Rec'd. I think the franchise lacks a plan on the way forward.
They keep repeating “Championship culture”, but that is not a plan … it’s a construct … setting up on how to get there is a plan. For the Magic, it’s as simple as:
- There is a chance to retain Dwight, and even if there is only a sliver of chance, it has to be pursued to the fullest possibility; or
- There is no chance – absolute zero – to retain Dwight, in which case the franchise needs to decide whether to:
- Rebuild from the scratch, in which case they have to be thinking of shedding salaries; or
- Do a trade to keep them somewhat relevant – if not in contention for the championship.
They have to make up their mind on available options and then push forward full steam … but first they have to get rid of the architect of current disaster, Otis Smith.
They have said repeatedly that they are on #1
And I think they are right to do so.
Even if Bynum is the best option, he’s only got a year left on his contract and he misses 30 games a year. So, if you trade for him you’ve assured yourself that you have no chance to keep Dwight Howard for potentially a 50 game rental of Bynum.
And that is clearly the best option the Magic have. As such, there is no question the thing to do is wait and try to keep him.
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it's scary how close we came to losing him
(yes, yes, we could still lose him, let me have my delusions!!1)
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by TheGiantSquid on Jan 15, 2012 9:48 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Does anybody know who was involved?
I doubt that Otis Smith could have made such a decision on his own. My hard guess is that he went as far as securing Bob Vander Weide’s approval, but the collective ownership thought that BVW had crossed the line and that, in essence, forced his resignation.
Regardless, it was Smith’s job to assess the options and report on the way forward. He should have been fired by now. Alex Martins has been with the Magic for so long, and he is more than capable of handling the GM’s position for the interim.
Really hard to understand how Otis has a job.
Probably just to keep some “stability”. And I mean that loosely. Seriously why don’t go steal Dell Demps. That is a GM. Do the Lakers trade he had, except we end up with Gasol, Scola, Martin, and Dragic. I would ship Jameer to LA as well. Bynum ends up in Houston. And we get both Lakers first round picks.
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To be fair,
Demps’s deal would’ve netted more veterans than draft picks and ammunition for the future, which apparently is also Otis’s goal. So I’m not sure Demps would be right for this situation, or at least any different.
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by MoveThoseChains on Jan 16, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
His package of veterans were better than the garbage floated around for Dwight.
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Of course,
but I don’t think it’s the right approach.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Jan 17, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
That’s why either way I don’t see Otis being the GM after this season. Lose Howard, Otis is to blame cause of personnel decisions. To retain Howard, Howard might ask for Otis’ firing to keep him.
by CBMagic85 on Jan 16, 2012 9:31 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Still doing nothing to help
I’m still confused as to why we are not trying to package JJ and Ryan Anderson for another star. They are awesome assets, but keeping Dwight is more important. Those two could probably land us Monta Ellis! Otis is garbage.
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Golden State would never trade Ellis for JJ and Anderson.
There is no star on the market that Orlando can possibly get.
They're not worth much from a literal perspective; their contracts aren't huge
Plus I think there’s skepticism around the league about how effective they’d be if they weren’t playing off of Howard.
by Evan Dunlap on Jan 16, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think that perception is changing as we speak.
Anderson is starting to get quite a bit of national attention. Last night Barkley was talking him up and yesterday CBS Sports’ Matt Moore wrote this article: Is Ryan Anderson the Most Improved Player?.
It is true both of their games are reliant on Howard, but it’s not like their skill set is Dwight Howard specific. Many teams have a high level primary scorer that draws double teams, on some teams that is also an interior post player.
If both JJ and Anderson continue to play strong for the next couple of months, and the Magic continue to win, that perception will have changed completely. Their ability to efficiently play off of a primary scorer plus their combined $9 million salary (+short term commitment) would have to start looking attractive to many teams.
But truthfully, the progress of those two young players (and Davis’ solid bench play) has given the Magic a fresh new look that even most Magic fans did not entirely expect. I know its early yet but, “As of right now,” I would not break up this team. Let’s see how things looks to Dwight come mid March.
by MagicLA on Jan 17, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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