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The Myth of Market Size

(Or rather the myth of Orlando market size. I don't have time to debunk every market out there.)

I was reading one of those Dwight Howard trade articles and there was some poor commenter that argued that Orlando was not a small market. Fans from Dallas, New Jersey, and LA jumped down his throat. Mostly out of self interest, I guess. But in any case I think that there is a bit of a disconnect between Floridians and the rest of the country in terms of how Florida cities are evaluated for this type of metric.

I think that I can elucidate this matter a bit. And hopefully make the ambiguous "Market Problem" easier to understand on both sides.

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- - - Florida - - -

To understand this issue you have to understand Florida. (an impossible enough task in its own right)

Florida is the 4th most populous state in the union. Soon to be the 3rd passing New York. To give a little bit of perspective on that assertion; in 2000 Florida was 4th with 15,000,000 residents and New York was 3rd with 19,000,000. As of right now Florida has 19,000,000 people living in it, and New York is at 19,400,000. That means that over the last ten years Florida has grown at a pace ten times faster than New York.

I think that this is the first disconnect. Floridians know about the size of Florida, the number of electoral votes Florida commands, the immense population. Florida has a population very much on par with California, Texas, and New York. In fact those four states account for 32% or almost one-third of the total population of the United States. Yet, Florida has no markets that are considered large markets by the nation at large.

Phoenix, Seattle, Minneapolis, and Denver are all considered larger markets than Orlando.

To put this in perspective the "I-4 Corridor" stretch of Central Florida is home to more people than the entire states of Arizona, Washington, Minnesota, or Colorado.

And there is the rub. To Floridians the fact that Florida has so many people and is so small a market doesn't really add up. But everyone just keeps telling us, "You're a small market. Shut up." and we all kind of just accept it and go about our business.

The reason for this is the way population is distributed in Florida versus the rest of the country.

Every single other part of the country basically uses the same model. One extremely large city with an extremely large centralized population surrounded by a couple mid-sized cities and small towns.

Florida (as always) does things a little differently. Florida cities sprawl out over the countryside changing names and counties without any regard for national rankings. These cities exist as more symbiotic organisms feeding off each other's activities and services to create a kind of ultra-city. Or to put it in an even nerdier way (if possible) the rest of the country has bigger cities like processor units on motherboards. With NYC/LA being quad core monsters and then the rest following suit in much the same way just on a smaller scale. Florida is more like cell processing.

To illustrate let's look at a picture of America at night

You can clearly see the large cities. As well as all of the small towns evenly spaced over the rest of the country almost like a field of stars.

Now let's look at Illinois and Texas.

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Again these areas follow the same pattern. Islands of centralized population amid a sea of sparsely populated townships.

Taking a look at Florida:

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We see a bit of a difference. First off I highlighted Brevard county as a good example of Floridian decentralization. Brevard county is by population about equal to Albany, Austin, or Honolulu. But there really isn't a city there that anyone outside of Florida is likely to be familiar with. Anywhere else in the country a region with that kind of population being more or less anonymous is completely unheard of. In Florida it is the norm.

Also take a look at Orlando. Orlando is a tiny little dot in the grand scheme of Central Florida.

All cities are metropolises and incorporate territories beyond their city limits. But in Florida more than anywhere else these large cities are figureheads representing larger, more diverse, and more complicated populated areas.

- - - Population -vs- Market - - -

So what is the difference between a market and a population?

A market is in effect like an audience. If you are having an outdoor concert however many people are able to hear you is the size of your audience. If you have a business, however many people you are able to reach is your market. This is based largely on population, but there are other factors, like competition and interest.

When talking about market size in relation to the NBA what people are talking about are the Nielsen's Local Television Market Rankings. These rankings count the number of households with television sets in any local broadcast area and are used widely to determine marketing value for commercials.

In Nielsen's rankings Orlando ranks 19th, between Cleveland and Sacramento, two other "small markets". But it's also worth noting how the Designated Market Areas are split up. Daytona Beach which is 60 miles away from Orlando counts as part of the Orlando market area. Tampa, which is 80 miles away, does not.

The reason for this is not the 20 extra miles and it's not that Tampa is so large that it counts as its own DMA automatically (not exactly).

The reason that these are two separate DMAs is simply that they have their own network affiliates. The DMA measures how many tv sets will receive a broadcast if you bought an ad to run locally in Orlando/NYC/wherever.

As an entertainment and largely television driven industry the NBA has relied heavily on these numbers for years. There are, however, some problems with using this as the end-all-be-all of NBA market hierarchy.

1.) It is not a basketball or NBA specific metric.

To measure the Orlando Magic's specific market size by the television broadcast range of local Orlando stations is unreasonable right off the bat. A sports team's fanbase is much harder to quantify than simple television counting, and this methodology fails any sort of test of logical market appraisal.

2.) It does not take into consideration in-state loyalties.

Residents of any state identify themselves readily as participants in that state's culture and political process. They also identify with in-state sports team more commonly than with teams from other states.

No one argues that college football or basketball players would be better served in cities other than Gainesville, Austin, Tallahassee, or Lubbock due to market size. And one could argue that college players have more to lose by a lack of exposure as the college game is more subjective and collegiate athletes need that exposure to cement draft position.

But Florida, Texas, Florida State, and Texas A&M garner huge state support and attention despite small local markets.

3.) It is out-of-date.

The NBA has to my knowledge no teams being broadcast on network television locally. Most all NBA games are carried on cable, both nationally, and locally.

The Magic are no exception to this being available locally only through media giants Brighthouse Network and DirecTv. On a combination of basic cable channels Sun Sports and Fox Sports Florida.

To reiterate this point let me rephrase. The numbers used to make the NBA market size comparisons are completely obsolete.

- - - Better Metrics - - -

Instead of just tearing down ESPN's faulty metrics let us try and develop more accurate ones of our own.

Market Size

Market size. How many citizens are out there that could possibly be lured in to care about your product. One of the best measurements of market size in sports is state population.

So let's look at states with NBA teams by population:

Total Population
1 California 37,691,912
2 Texas 25,674,681
3 New York 19,465,197
4 Florida 19,057,542
5 Illinois 12,869,257
6 Pennsylvania 12,742,886
7 Ohio 11,544,951
8 Michigan 9,876,187
9 Georgia 9,815,210
10 North Carolina 9,656,401
11 New Jersey 8,821,155
12 Massachusetts 6,587,536
13 Indiana 6,516,922
14 Arizona 6,482,505
15 Tennessee 6,403,353
16 Wisconsin 5,711,767
17 Minnesota 5,344,861
18 Colorado 5,116,769
19 Louisiana 4,574,836
20 Oregon 3,871,859
21 Oklahoma 3,791,508
22 Utah 2,817,222
23 Washington, DC 617,996

Market Share

Market share takes into consideration competition. A state with 2 teams has to divide it's market between them.

A look at simple market share numbers:

Population Per Franchise
1 Illinois 12,869,257
2 Pennsylvania 12,742,886
3 Ohio 11,544,951
4 Michigan 9,876,187
5 Georgia 9,815,210
6 New York 9,732,598
7 North Carolina 9,656,401
8 Florida 9,528,771
9 California 9,422,978
10 New Jersey 8,821,155
11 Texas 8,558,227
12 Massachusetts 6,587,536
13 Indiana 6,516,922
14 Arizona 6,482,505
15 Tennessee 6,403,353
16 Wisconsin 5,711,767
17 Minnesota 5,344,861
18 Colorado 5,116,769
19 Louisiana 4,574,836
20 Oregon 3,871,859
21 Oklahoma 3,791,508
22 Utah 2,817,222
23 D.C. 617,996

(this is each team's share of the state populous all things being equal, which, they usually are not)

Market Efficacy

Market efficacy is how efficiently a team is able to leverage the population to their benefit. Market effifacy has two main components.

1.) Population Density. Which allows for a team to reach more people with ads, promotions, exhibitions, broadcasts, and in general allows for greater exposure with less effort.

2.) Sustained Success. Nothing creates more interest in a team than winning, especially winning big and winning often.

Density numbers:

Population Density
1 New Jersey 1,189 inhabitants per square mile (459 /km2)
2 Massachusetts 840.2 inhabitants per square mile (324.4 /km2)
3 New York 412.3 inhabitants per square mile (159.2 /km2)
4 Florida 353.4 inhabitants per square mile (136.4 /km2)
5 Pennsylvania 284.3 inhabitants per square mile (109.8 /km2)
6 Ohio 281.9 inhabitants per square mile (108.8 /km2)
7 California 241.7 inhabitants per square mile (93.3 /km2)
8 Illinois 231.5 inhabitants per square mile (89.4 /km2)
9 North Carolina 198.2 inhabitants per square mile (76.5 /km2)
10 Indiana 181.7 inhabitants per square mile (70.2 /km2)
11 Michigan 173.9 inhabitants per square mile (67.1 /km2)
12 Georgia 169.5 inhabitants per square mile (65.4 /km2)
13 Tennessee 155.4 inhabitants per square mile (60.0 /km2)
14 Wisconsin 105.2 inhabitants per square mile (40.6 /km2)
15 Louisiana 105.0 inhabitants per square mile (40.5 /km2)
16 Texas 98.07 inhabitants per square mile (37.87 /km2)

U.S. Average 88.08 inhabitants per square mile (34.01 /km2)
17 Minnesota 67.14 inhabitants per square mile (25.92 /km2)
18 Arizona 57.05 inhabitants per square mile (22.03 /km2)
19 Oklahoma 55.22 inhabitants per square mile (21.32 /km2)
20 Colorado 49.33 inhabitants per square mile (19.05 /km2)
21 Oregon 40.33 inhabitants per square mile (15.57 /km2)
22 Utah 34.30 inhabitants per square mile (13.24 /km2)

- - - Global Market - - -

Every player wants to create a global brand now a days.

But which team best enables him to do so?

The answer is that there is very little difference between teams to the international fan. Fans from around the world tend to support basketball players more than basketball teams or basketball cities.

To a Frenchman whether a player plays in Dallas or San Antonio is immaterial.

Because of this quantifying beneficial United States markets to global branding is difficult. Honestly, you can become a popular player from just about any NBA city.

The one metric we can look at to give us something to go on is tourism.

So, first, here are the top destinations for international tourists (annually):

1.) New York City - 8,462,000

2.) Los Angeles - 3,348,000

3.) Miami - 3,111,000

4.) Orlando - 2,715,000

5.) San Fransisco - 2,636,000

-Source

Tourism shows us three things.

1.) Favoritism. That there is something there that the international community likes or is interested in.

2.) Familiarity. That people outside of the country have some sense of where the city is and of its character/content.

3.) Exposure. When considering exposure consider this. Everyday there are 7,400 tourists from out of the country visiting Orlando. Which means that for every Magic home game you have those people added to your market for ticket sales and television. That is an additional 606,554 people from the global market exposed to the Orlando Magic product every season.

~ Factoid: The city of Orlando's 2.7 million international tourists is more than the states of Illinois and Texas combined.

- - - Modernity - - -

The information age has produced new and interesting means with which we can put some of our "Better Metrics" to the test.

One stat that market researchers are paying more and more attention to is simply facebook "Likes".

Here is how NBA teams stack up as far as internet popularity:

Lakers 11,173,005
Celtics 5,714,551
HEAT 4,446,078
Bulls 4,188,115
Mavericks 1,864,487
Knicks 1,342,692
Magic 1,130,666
Spurs 1,017,751
Cavaliers 796,867
Thunder 741,364
Nuggets 676,792
Suns 627,436
Rockets 451,067
Pistons 388,158
Trail Blazers 341,223
Jazz 295,109
Warriors 287,598
Raptors 286,088
Hornets 209,170
Hawks 201,716
Sixers 200,852
Bucks 180,784
Kings 174,971
Clipper 139,048
Timberwolves 134,629
Grizzlies 132,705
Pacers 127,162
Wizards 126,078
Bobcats 89,151
New Jersey Nets 20,067
Brooklyn Nets 2,233

First off teams from the 5 biggest markets definitely show their muscle. Seven out of the top eight teams are from Cali, Florida, NY, Texas, and Illinois.

We also see the effects of market share with the Bulls benefiting from sole dominion over their territory while Florida and Texas teams suffer from market dilution. The Lakers here are the exception that proves the rule. The Lakers obviously reign supreme in the California market and the other teams struggle to compete with them.

Boston is a great example of Market Efficacy. Leveraging success and a high population density to maximize the New England fanbase.

Again, going by traditional Nielsen's rankings the outstanding performances of Miami, Orlando, San Antonio, Cleveland, and OKC make absolutely no sense. Using a more reasoned and accurate model we are able to account for this success and the whole thing is completely logical.

As these small market large market debates drag on I think the real issue is we need to change how we define market size and how we measure it. The methods that were accurate in the 70's are not working as well anymore.

Poll
Which NBA city is the league's smallest market?
New Orleans
26 votes
Milwaukee
34 votes
Sacramento
21 votes
Orlando
3 votes
San Antonio
8 votes
Oklahoma City
23 votes
Salt Lake City
32 votes

147 votes | Poll has closed

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Sorry for the length.

I know it reads more like a wikipedia article.

There was just a lot of information I was trying to distill down. Believe it or not I had to edit a lot of analysis and discussion to get it down to a mere two-billion words.

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by aTasteLikeBurning on Jan 15, 2012 9:28 PM EST reply actions  

No apologies needed.

This was great and it sparked a really long and interesting conversation between myself and my co-workers. Great job!

The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy

by cgsimone on Jan 18, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm glad somebody said it

and then backed it up. Really amazing article. “Apparently, he’s an educated man. Now I really hate him!”

by Vindibudd on Jan 15, 2012 9:52 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Another Epiphany

Beyond the many that Taste just hit me with, is yours. The media pushes what sells, or rather, what has sold since the 70’s. But now everything is different, and they’re still using the old models (Here’s what will tune readers in: LA, Chicago, Boston, NY…Here’s what won’t: every place else). They haven’t caught up to the new demographic, so they push and sell the old business model. All the while, Dwight Howard leads NBA all-star voting. But his team is not on their map. They haven’t learned to reconcile that.

There might be some Shaq bleed-off here, as well. He jetted Orlando, calling it a dried-up pond. They love Shaq. Perhaps they took his words to heart.

by MagicPhan on Jan 16, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

There’s “no market” in Orlando, so they don’t bother marketing to Orlando or, more importantly, possible fans outside of the city. Therefore, when the team to become more prominent, like our Finals run two years ago, the NBA “loses” because the Magic aren’t as marketable. But we’re not marketable primarily because the NBA only focuses on advertising specific teams and refuses to change.

It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy and it’s frustrating beyond all reason.

I'm a girl.

by TheGiantSquid on Jan 16, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This.

But I would say it’s more Madison Avenue/Ad-driven than media-driven.

I mean, the TV stations still roll out all their big shows at the same time. Why? Because that’s when the auto manufacturers used to intro the new models and throw a lot of advertising revenue their way. The car introduction is no longer a factor-it hasn’t been for years. But the advertising folks still generate all of their big advertising to coincide with the introduction of sweeps at the same time. Why? Because that’s the way they do it. Not because it makes sense.

I don't get the whole 'pop-tart cats pooping rainbows thing,' but then, I'm old. So, there it is.

by Redfield on Jan 17, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But one team I almost constantly see is OKC and Durant/Westbrook. OKC has got to be the smallest market in the universe, but they’re usually hyped beyond the extreme. Why?

Because Stern needs them to succeed. He royally torqued off a lot of fans in Seattle when he allowed the team to be moved. If Oklahoma City fails, Stern gets burned, and it becomes a lot harder to sell teams if the new owner has any notion of moving the team.

Bob.

by The Dark on Jan 16, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

hmm that's an interesting idea...

I think we all agree that Stern is to blame for everything.

/only half kidding

I'm a girl.

by TheGiantSquid on Jan 16, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

They have a scorer

Since Jordan “saved” the league under Stern, that is all the NBA and the press has cared about. All of the rules are constantly shifted to make sure that dynamic scorers are front and center and sure to get their points every game.

(though I like the Seattle idea – and it makes some sense)

I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?

by EnnBee on Jan 16, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Great write-up.

I think it takes a humongous effort to change Nielsen’s market divisions as long as television remains the largest advertising medium. The problem is marketers are not interested in markets in pure sense, which is definitely connected to population. They are interested in reachable population based on TV-area segmentation, and wouldn’t mind to ever so loosely call it market.

by Matt1325 on Jan 15, 2012 10:35 PM EST reply actions  

Rec'd

Amazing detail, and awesome read! Great Job!! Also, I posted a fanshot where Alex Martins explains that Dwight was 10th among ALL PRO ATHLETES in $$ earned last year, and 5 of the ones ahead of him are from “smaller markets”. This information hellps to show that Dwight is falling victim to the “grass is always greener” theme, and it is obvious to me that his supposed “desire” is being driven from an outside source.

by the.pianolady on Jan 15, 2012 10:51 PM EST reply actions  

So much info in such a small article. Lol great job and glad I read it

"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom

by BigMac12111 on Jan 15, 2012 11:15 PM EST reply actions  

Poor Brooklyn Nyets

"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"

by 4QB on Jan 16, 2012 12:22 AM EST reply actions  

Lots of interesting facts, many of which I didn't know

Thanks for all the research and time you took to write this post.

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by Mike from Illinois on Jan 16, 2012 12:40 AM EST reply actions  

damn that was well researched

I wish Dwight could see this and realize his situation isn’t that bad

I'm a guy

by normajean on Jan 16, 2012 10:38 AM EST reply actions  

rec'd!

I don't get the whole 'pop-tart cats pooping rainbows thing,' but then, I'm old. So, there it is.

by Redfield on Jan 16, 2012 10:47 AM EST reply actions  

incredible job.

Evan, can I request that this be moved to the front page?

by JeffShann3 on Jan 16, 2012 12:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Such a thought provoking article

One thing it got me thinking of was the actual demographics of the population in Florida. I wonder what the results would be if you just took the bball shoe buying target segments. Also, since Florida is a very transient population, I wonder if that plays into the thinking.

Keep Hedo

by Satch30 on Jan 16, 2012 12:48 PM EST reply actions  

It's hard to tell, because their target demographics don't mesh perfectly with Census reporting (please note that the demographic categories below are the Census' categories)

Florida has slightly fewer under-18 than average (22.2% of the population, compared to 24.5% of the US as a whole).

There is a larger Black population (15.9% to 12.8%)

There are more Hispanic/Latino (20.6% to 15.1%)

Personal per-capita income is essentially average ($36,720 to $36,714)

Black-owned firms are higher (6.6% to 5.2%), as are Hispanic-owned firms (17.3% to 6.8%)

Home ownership is higher (70.1% to 66.2%)

Persons per square mile is MUCH higher (296.4 to 79.6)

All of these would seem to figure positively except the lower youth percentage, given the demographics within the NBA itself, and home ownership being a general litmus test for having a reliable income.

Bob.

by The Dark on Jan 16, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This is incredible.

It should be on the front page.

I like to watch.

by MoveThoseChains on Jan 16, 2012 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

Just to echo everyone else, thank you for the terrific, well researched and informative article.

The only real question is does it matter? To my way of thinking, the only thing that matters is how Adidas perceives reality. Unfortunately, everything else seems to be secondary.

I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?

by EnnBee on Jan 16, 2012 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

"the only thing that matters is how Adidas perceives reality."

And, I threw up in my mouth a little bit.

(Kidding.)

I don't get the whole 'pop-tart cats pooping rainbows thing,' but then, I'm old. So, there it is.

by Redfield on Jan 17, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I know it's slightly off-topic, but I wonder about the international markets.

Surely Orlando doesn’t have the same following as teams like Chicago, Boston or LAL (who have won championships during the time the NBA became a worldwide phenomenon), but one would imagine that the Magic should have a considerable international fanbase from having players like O’Neal, Penny, T-Mac, Hill (erm, maybe not him, just because he never played much) and now Howard.

Magic Fan since the 1992-1993 Season.
Caracas, Venezuela.

by North of the South on Jan 17, 2012 12:29 AM EST reply actions  

Thats a great point

and something I was about to bring up.

I live in San Diego and I always thought the local teams did not promote enough in Mexico and specifically Tijuana. Mexico is whole different market that seems untapped.

And I would think it would be the same in Florida. Do people from the islands (PR, DR, Haiti, Bahamas) identify with the Heat, Magic, or just whichever player is the best?

Mr. North of the South, you are my neighbor in a different way; I’m Colombian. How did you become a fan of the Magic; were you living in Florida or always in Venezuela? Or like me, started following because of Shaq?

"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.

by L Magico on Jan 18, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Partly because of Shaq, most of it was just because, literally.

The real reason, and this will sound ridiculous, but in the early 90’s, when I was in elementary school all kids got into the basketball and the NBA, and were collecting the trading cards. Everyone I knew was a fan of the Bulls, but I wanted to root for some other team, I figured “next game I watch, the team that wins it, that’s my team”. The game was Magic vs. Knicks, in Shaq’s rookie year. Magic won, the rest is history.

Orlando is also a place I used to visit somewhat often. I wish I could go back there eventually, it’s ridiculous that for some reason or another I never went to see a Magic game.

Magic Fan since the 1992-1993 Season.
Caracas, Venezuela.

by North of the South on Jan 19, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I see that some have pushed this arbitray market division out of context, hence taking it as an irritation or insult.
  • Note that market divisions based on separate network TV stations is arbitrary, hence meaningless in a broader sense of market definitions.
  • TV is still the largest marketing/advertising medium.
  • Nielsen ranking is still the most effiecint tool of determing TV households within the arbitraty market divisions, hence the best tool of measuring advertising efficiency and reach.
  • If you put Tampa and Orlando markets together, they still would not reach Chicago’s ranking level, let alone LA’s or New York’s.
  • While Nielsen ranking is not extactly NBA-realted, it would cost enormously for the NBA to design – and execute – a marketing model specific to NBA. Nor am I aware that any other sport has attempted such ambitious undertaking.
  • That, however, does not mean that NBA cannot tailor their advertising to be reflective of teams’ and players’ levels of popularity. The problem is that they would have no tool to measure the marketing efficiencies which are nowadays incorporated into any large marketing campaign.

by Matt1325 on Jan 17, 2012 6:21 PM EST reply actions  

I agree that there is no sense in getting mad or feeling slighted by the media because of this. My intent was not to create a “look how unfairly we are being treated GET ANGRY ABOUT IT!” manifesto.

I will say that this one point:

If you put Tampa and Orlando markets together, they still would not reach Chicago’s ranking level, let alone LA’s or New York’s.


Combining Tampa and Orlando is actually a very reasonable way of creating a “Central Florida” market within the context of the Nielsen’s television market rankings. And when doing so you come up with a market that is the 4th largest behind only Chicago, LA, and NYC.

I mean, I think that that market is close to Chicago and in the stratosphere of LA and NYC is amazing. I don’t see how not surpassing New York, Los Angeles, or Chicago is even an issue.

Being universally disregarded as a small and insignificant market while being able to make a reasonable argument of being the 4th biggest market behind only Chicago, NYC, and LA is what has some upset. And I don’t think that we need to be the absolute largest market in the country for them to feel justified in their feelings.

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by aTasteLikeBurning on Jan 18, 2012 3:31 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with all the points which you have raised above.

My intention was to clarify the marketing motif behind such arbitrary rankings in a simple and succinct way, hence making it stupid of anybody who tries to use it for any other purposes. Thanks to your broad research, we can now simply put the results of Orlando and Tampa markets together, as we come across such assessments, if others refuse to do so.

I think that network TV stations were established based on the old roof-top antennas’ reach which are largely obsolete by modern standards, except in the distant rural areas. However, these stations are set up as they are, and probably nobody is seriously thinking of the logic behind and all the cost savings that merging some markets could provide.

by Matt1325 on Jan 18, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Great, great post

and something any “small” market team can look at and see discrepancies in how things are measured. Some thoughts from this:

-The international market is such a complex one to decipher but the NBA is huge in a lot of different countries. I was in the Philipines last year and they had the best TV station ever, Basketball TV. No shows, they just showed basketball games. Awesome.

-The facebook “likes” point was interesting and I didn’t know how much market researchers put into something like that.

Just a well thought out post which relates to a lot of different cities. Great job.

"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.

by L Magico on Jan 18, 2012 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

This is great info, I have been saying this a long time

If everything Orlando had to offer was in a small radius like NYC the place would be booming. Think about if I-Drive, and the surroundings, Disney and Universal were all in a 5 or 6 mile radius of the Downtown area, the place would be an even more world renowned destination.

by MasterofMagic on Jan 19, 2012 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

YOUR MISSSING THE POINT

dwight wants to play in brooklyn not new jersey so everything you wrote about NJ means nothing

by netsyankees4life on Jan 20, 2012 4:00 PM EST reply actions  

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Managing Editor

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Contributing Writer

Chicago_white_sox-logo-945af4da0a-seeklogo Mike from Illinois