Should the Magic improve their pace?
A few articles caught my eye:
1) Stan Van Gundy shares coaching secrets :
"If you’ve ever sat near the court at a Magic game, you’ve surely heard Van Gundy plead for his players to “Get back!” And yes, this is a rare occasion in which the exclamation point is necessary. Van Gundy believes the second-most important characteristic to a successful basketball team — next to conditioning, which is weirdly unobvious — is getting back on defense. He said the Magic’s guards are instructed to ignore offensive rebounding and always get back on defense to limit opponents’ fast-break points. “We better be first in transition points allowed,” Van Gundy said."
So after shooting Van Gundy is worried about allowing transition points. He doesn't care about offensive rebounds, he just doesn't wan't to allow easy baskets. I am OK with it. But then, on the same article you can read:
"Some people wonder why the Magic don’t run more — in fact, whenever the Magic are struggling, that’s usually what many fans pin the problem on. But that’s the way the Magic are designed. Van Gundy tells all of his players to crash the defensive boards — even Jameer Nelson, the team’s diminutive point guard. Some teams leak their point guard out so he can receive an outlet pass from the guy who rebounds the ball. The Magic don’t. That’s why Nelson is a pretty good per-minute rebounder even though he’s shorter than Hope Solo."
I don't get this. While one of Van Gundy's main concerns is not allowing fast-break points, he doesn't care about his own team making them. I think we should send Nelson or Richardson running instead of waiting for the rebound. Best case scenario is an easy basket, worse case scenario they get an offensive rebound. The Magic has been a better defensive than offensive team since Van Gundy is here. Wehave the best defensive player in the league, not the best offensive player. So betting easy points against defending another ball is a winning gamble for the Magic. Easy points are gold for us, playing D is not that hard. (1)
2) The Clippers' efficient Woody Allen offense
"Of all of Woody Allen's enduring punch lines, none is so practical as a life lesson. You don't have to be a genius to achieve success -- just show up. At its very root, a basketball possession is an opportunity for points. There are no promises you’ll score. But NBA teams that get a shot off at the basket score an average of 1.16 points per possession. Barring an illegal defense call or a foul away from the ball, teams that don’t get a shot off score exactly zero points on average. "
This one is a no brainer: if you don't shoot you won't score. If you shoot a lot you get a lot of chances of scoring. So is the Magic shooting a lot? Not exactly...
3) Magic aren't scoring many fastbreak points and Van Gundy expects little change.
"Orlando is averaging just 8.3 fastbreak points per game, which places the team among the league's worst teams in that statistical category. "I'd like our pace to be up, but I just don't see it happening, to be honest," Stan Van Gundy said . "I don't. I don't see it happening. We don't have guys who really push the ball, and we don't have a lot of runners."
Orlando ranks 26th in Pace with 91.9, while Denver ranks 1st with 98.9. Pace is the stat for possessions per 48 minutes, meaning Denver have 7 extra chances to score per game than Orlando. If Orlando could have those 7 extra possessions they could score more than 7 extra points per game, which is a lot.
It might seem odd to bring this issue now, when our offense is pretty good. But you want to have as many weapons as you can. We all know what happens when the 3s are not falling. Last season the Magic shoot .329 beyond the arch when losing and .378 when winning. It's hard for us to win games when we can't hit the 3. Being able to run in those situations could allow us to score before their defense can set up
Van Gundy is right about saying we don't have runners. But you don't need to be faster than one guy to beat him, you just need to start running earlier. As you can see in the pic, Lebron James is already running while all the other players are looking at the shot.
Of course I don't expect the Magic to pull full court alley oops regularly, but I do think that trying to improve the pace would be good for the team. I've seen this several times: 40 secs left at the end of a quarter. The Magic could take a quick shot knowing they would get the ball back to close the quarter. Instead they just walk the ball, take a shot late in the clock and the other team gets to close the quarter. That's one free possession wasted. And that single possesion could have won us a game or two against Atlanta in the playoffs.
More possessions means more chances to score. Fastbreaks means easy quick baskets. So should we give it a try?
(1) RIght now our Off. rating is 106.8 while our Def. rating is 101.7. Believe it or not, right now we have the best offense in the NBA! That doesn't necessarily mean our offense is great and our D is bad, I think it's just an aberration due to small sample size, amazing 3pt shooting, short preseason, new players learning the system and Stan having to alter the rotation because of tough schedule.
2011-2012: Off: 106.8 (1st) Def: 101.7 (20th)
2010-2011: Off: 105.7 (10th) Def: 99.1 (3d)
2009-2010: Off: 109.5 (2nd) Def: 100.2 (1st)
2008-2009: Off: 107.2 (8th) Def: 98.9 (1st)
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I dont see the harm
Lets be honest. how many rebounds does jameer really get in a game
The problem is preventing scores off of offensive rebounds
SVGs primary concern both directions is defense. If you leak 1 or 2 guards, the other team now has a 5 on 3 (or 4) advantage at getting the rebound and, if they get it, they have a huge advantage in attempting to score. By focussing on the defensive rebounds, even if you don’t get it, most of your players should be in position to play defense and prevent the 2nd chance points.
As for pace, every point you prevent another team from scoring is as equally valuable as the ones you score. Furthermore, your effort on defense is consistent and controllable while your offense is more reliant on things that you can’t completely control like off shooting nights.
I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?
by EnnBee on Jan 14, 2012 5:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd. You mentioned:
every point you prevent another team from scoring is as equally valuable as the ones you score.
Very true. In theory, if you stop the opponent from scoring as many times as they stop you from scoring, you need only one free throw to win the game.
Only 1 free throw to win? We're in trouble then...lol
by the.pianolady on Jan 14, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
You make good points
But we should also consider than being predictable is usually not a good thing. Opposing teams knows Orlando doesn’t run, so they crash the offensive boards, knowing they are taking few risks by doing it.
I think it would be effective to run, not every play but something like 1 out of 3 times, in order to keep the other team guessing.
Your points are well noted.
I think while a SVG system is predicated on defense first … good defense leads to good offense … it is not all too predictable, meaning that Magic occasionally runs – depending on the personnel on the court – and crashes the offensive board. That being said, I admit that defense trumps all other considerations, and that is where the debate could go on forever. But, in my view, with the current personnel we don’t have the speed to take chances with a higher pace while compromising defensive protection.
The difference in pace from the Magic to league average is 1.9 possessions per game
Assuming the Magic kept their efficiency at the higher pace, it would mean scoring 2.08 more points per game, and giving up 1.97 more points on the extra possessions the opposition would get. I’m not enthusiastic about changing a system that’s working in order to get a potential benefit of 0.11 points per game. In my mind, a high pace is usually predicated around having an offensively gifted 1, 2, or 3 who is the primary scorer on fast dribble penetration. The Magic use a more deliberate offense, with the 4 and the 5 as the primary scorers.
As far as opposing teams crashing the offensive boards, Orlando has the second-highest defensive rebounding percentage (only Dallas is higher, and New Orleans is tied with Orlando), so opponents are failing at their ORB attempts.
Bob.
by The Dark on Jan 15, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Ryan is crashing the offensive boards alot more than a player in SVG's system really ever has.
He’s doing a great job and it’s not really killing our defense when we still have the other 3 players going back on D. Also, we don’t run in the traditional sense of the word but we do run on occasion. For one, Jameer sometimes drives to the paint before the defense, or for that matter our offense, is set up. Now I know that isn’t running, but it’s still in the transitional game and most of the time it gets the defense in shambles. The other way we “run” is that we have the most athletic big man in the game. And while we don’t always get easy lay-ups from our guards, we get easy dunks or an open look by Dwight running the floor. I think the only way we get a fast-break score like most teams is by our defense forcing turnovers and having us run. Ultimately it’s defense first and I think most are fine with that. With Ryan helping us get second-chance points and our team having great ball movement and being very balanced, I don’t know why we’d try to go and change our tactic unless our team gets blown up and we have to. So to answer your question: No, I feel like the pace is great for us and will give us our best chance to win games.
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
One thing you didn't mention...
…is that the Magic aren’t exactly the fastest team in the league. Aside from the fact that the offense works as is, you have to wonder who exactly is supposed to be winning the footrace down the court for the fast break. The only player who can reliably outrun most of his match-ups is Dwight, and that’s largely because most centers are slow.
Anyway, Dwight needs to be crashing the defensive boards more than anyone.
Anyway anyway, I don’t see Dwight as a great outlet passer.
There are many reasons why the Magic are playing this way, and it seems to be working. The one thing that’s a little shaky thus far is the defense, and you’re not going to improve that by trying for the fast break more often.
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
It would be cool to find more stats
There is a stat for fastbreaks, but I couldn’t find the average points a team scores on fastbreaks possessions. Base on my eyes I would guess you score over 50% of the times you caught the other defense before thy have time to set up, but I would like to see that in solid numbers.

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