Jason Richardson Injury: Orlando Magic Swingman Day-to-Day With Bone Bruise in Left Knee
by Evan Dunlap on Jan 13, 2012 4:48 PM EST
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PrintThe Orlando Magic received a scare Thursday night when starting shooting guard Jason Richardson banged knees with Golden State Warriors big man David Lee and fell to the floor in obvious pain. Though he managed to secure a loose ball after the collision, Richardson had trouble putting weight on his left leg afterwards, and Orlando almost had to give a foul in order to take him out of the game. He did not return; J.J. Redick and Von Wafer filled in for Richardson during his absence.
"It was more that I couldn't push off," Richardson said of the injury, according to John Denton of OrlandoMagic.com. "I've never had this."
The team performed an MRI on Richardson's knee Friday, which revealed a bone bruise but no structural damage, reports the Orlando Sentinel. The Magic list him as day-to-day.
Richardson, who inked a new four-year contract with the Magic prior to this season, stands as the team's fifth-leading scorer at 11.1 points per game. The 12-year veteran is shooting 43.2 percent from the field and 33.3 percent from beyond the arc.
The Magic don't play again until Monday, when they take on the New York Knicks in a Martin Luther King Jr. Day matinée. If Richardson hasn't recovered by then, one presumes Redick would start in his place. In 19 spot-starts over the last three seasons, Redick has fared well, averaging 11.7 points in 33.9 minutes while converting 39.6 percent of his three-point tries.
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Well,
if we’re gonna have an injury to a starter, rather have it at the deepest position on our team. Especially with the way players are going down with major injuries this season.
by the.pianolady on Jan 13, 2012 5:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
since I try not to wish any harm to anyone...
I just wish J Richardson wasn’t playing for us the rest of the year.
Go Magic/Bucs/Gators/Rays!
by chiefs_55 on Jan 13, 2012 5:28 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
dumb dumb dumb
J rich has been ballin lately, the bulls werent after him for no reason I mean come on brp, J rich has been taking it to the hole lately and you have to give credit where its due
by Magical-OverHauL on Jan 13, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Be careful
He’s been great lately. I am not wishing anyone away on our team. I am wishing one to stay! It is a slippery slope to make a comment like that.
by love the magi on Jan 14, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
I say... sit him down for a couple.
Play Redick and Von Wafer. Only way for Van Gundy to SEE how much better we can be with this duo, who have proven much better than J.Rich, offensively and defensively.
We do this… and J.Rich may never start again; he will be what we all thought he was meant to be when he was re-signed; trade material.
Wafer has never proven better than ANYONE defensively.
If you like wild chucking and isos, I can see how you might like his offense. But nobody should ever have anything good to say about Von Wafer’s defense.
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
Let him stay in Orlando.
Even if he seems back to normal, would you really want to have him come back from a bone bruise injury by playing a Back-to-Back-to-Back that includes travel?
Start JJ against the Knicks and give J-Rich the day off.
He wouldn’t have to travel, since the next 3 games after NY are all in Orlando.
He’d get an extra day off (plus the travel time) for rest/treatment to make sure he’s @ 100%.
He’d be able to provide some fresher legs on the 2nd/3rd night of a BtBtB.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Jan 13, 2012 5:29 PM EST reply actions
I concur. Plus,
I would still have him off the bench on the 2nd/3rd games as well. JJ is one of those momentum players and I wouldn’t want to put him back on the bench so quick unless he didn’t look comfortable in the 1st game.
by the.pianolady on Jan 14, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
So our backup SG is scoring more than our starting SG with less minutes... Why did we re-sign J-Rich again??
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
Roster consistency and depth.
Consistency of a roster is a hugely underrated factor in a team’s success. Like the Magic from 08 to 09 and, seemingly, Philly this year (not to mention the Heat).
I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?
Also...
…look at Richardson’s career. This is a very good player and an amazing scorer. If he’s not that guy any more, it’s going to take a lot more than 11 games to prove that to me, and if the Magic feel the same way, good for them.
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
All of last year when he was on the Magic didnt convince you???
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jan 13, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Do you mean the last year when he was an effective second/third option on offense, despite being thrust into the lineup mid-season with no plays drawn up for him?
Or a different last year?
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
by 3.3seconds on Jan 13, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
People who give Richardson a hard time after 11 games this season just don’t understand how basketball works…
by ap3604 on Jan 13, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Effective?
You mean when he was unable to create anything, couldn’t shoot well anymore either, refused to draw fouls, and was part of the putrid offense that got this team annihilated in the playoffs?
Or do you mean ineffective?
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Jan 14, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
You're just plain wrong.
In 60 games with Orlando last year, Richardson attempted 95 free throws. TOTAL. That’s a stunning 1.58 per game. Considering you get 2 shots for being fouled in the act of shooting, he didn’t even average ONE in-the-act foul drawn per game!
If you use per-minute stats, Richardson averaged a free throw attempt for every 21:48 he was on the court. It’s hard for me to emphasize enough how awful that is for a wing player that supposedly can create his own shot. And this year it’s not much better, with 1.81 FTs per game and one FT attempt every 16:18 of playing time.
For comparison, last season J.J. Redick (not known for his speed or creativity in driving to the basket) averaged 2.15 FTs/game (at least one in-the-act foul per game) and a FT attempt every 11:39 he was on the court. And this year he’s up to 3.5 per game and a FT attempt every 7:26.
When it comes to drawing fouls, J-Rich is hot garbage. When it comes to defense, J-Rich is hot garbage. And in shooting (simple , eFG, and TS%) J.J. blows him out of the water in every category. Why exactly does Richardson have apologists? I don’t understand.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Jan 15, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think Mr. Hyde is stuck on the meaning of words, the way they are framed.
Really, why would anybody “[refuses] to draw fouls”? He fails to see that what you meant was that J-Rich chooses a style of game which is not conducive to “[drawing] fouls”.
I think the reason SVG starts J Rich vs JJ has to do with size (and maybe locker room chemistry).
Jason Richardson is 6-6 with a 6’ – 11.5" wingspan. Meanwhile JJ is 6-4 with a 6’ – 3.5" wingspan.
But if you look at the statistical comparison of JJ vs JRich (in lineups consisting of the 4 starters) the size difference is insignificant.
- The statistical sample size is small and Richardson has played around 5 times the amount of minutes with the other starting 4 than JJ. Thus the numbers are probably amplified; and it is also possible that the lineup w/ JJ is not facing the opposing starting units as often. BUT….
(Nelson-Redick-Turkoglu-Anderson-Howard)
Orlando’s eFG% is at .676 while its opponents eFG% is at .424
vs
(Nelson-J.Richardson-Turkoglu-Anderson-Howard)
Orlando’s eFG% is at .477 while its opponents eFG% is at .488
• Orlando’s defense allows 1.08 points per possession with J Rich (and starting 4) vs .90 with JJ (and starting 4)
• Opposing teams take 31% of their shots at close range w/JRich (and other starting four) vs 21% with JJ (and the other starting four); so teams are getting into the paint 10% more often with JRich.
by MagicLA on Jan 15, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yea. It's crazy how different the numbers are with JJ and J-Rich. I mean the defense is better and the offense is throught the roof better
But we can really make a case after the next couple games when the minutes will be closer since JJ is starting, and the argument of facing different levels of competition can be silenced also.
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
J-Rich's minutes with starting 4 cannot be a small size sample, but the question is what is JJ's minutes with the starting 4?
If those minutes are over 150, it would be considered large enough in which case, from a statistical standpoint, it is irrelevant if J-Rich’s minutes are 5 times more. But certainly the strength of the opposition has to be factored in, or else the results would be skewed.
JJ's minutes with the other starting four: 22 minutes
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
by BigMac12111 on Jan 15, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
You're welcome :)
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
by BigMac12111 on Jan 16, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
That is not what I said Matt1325
The statistical sample size is small and Richardson has played around 5 times the amount of minutes with the other starting 4 than JJ
The overall sample size (only 12 games) is small.
… and its 129 minutes vs 23 minutes which is 5.6 times – that is relevant.
The sample unit is "minute" not "game", and I was expecting J-Rich to have played more than 129 minutes with the 4 starters.
Regardless, the minutes count for both players are small, and as such any conclusion is statistically invalid. But if they were not, in statistical analysis it is irrelevant if one sample is larger than the other as long as they both meet the basic threshold of a large size sample.
Well, I'm guessing JJ has a lot more numbers in the stats now
It will be curious to see how it is after the back-to-back-to-back this week with JJ starting.
I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?
I don't think that we are in disagreement.
What I want to clarify is that while small size samples could be brought forward and complemented with observational (qualitative) assessment, we cannot expect the same level of statistical validity from the process as compared with large size samples.
It would be certainly interesting to observe J.J. for the upcoming games but assuming that he plays 30 minutes (average) each game with the 4 starters for the next 3 games, he would still not reach a high enough number of minutes to constitute a large size sample.
Thank you for that,
Rec’d.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Jan 16, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
No. I mean when he scored 15 points a game in an offense not designed for him, shot 38.4% for three, and really was not anything resembling the problem with the team last year? (If the team even HAD a problem last year, aside from Bass and Arenas, which is far from clear.)
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
Yeah, I’m really excited about his painfully mediocre 54.3% TS% and 13.2 PER in the regular season (45.9% and 9.6 in the playoffs, clearly part of the problem), especially since both numbers have continued downward this season, making it a trend. The problem with the team last season was ineffective offense beyond Dwight, meaning lack of athletic penetration or shot creation or even just not standing around for 24 seconds. Jason Richardson most certainly was part of that problem. And you can’t possibly be serious about the team not having problems last year, because your team has a lot of problems if you get stomped by the Atlanta Hawks in the playoffs, usually the recipients of the merciless stomping.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Jan 15, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
i agree with you in regards to richardson offensively
but his defense is so horrible that it makes me not want him in the game… while Von Wafer isn’t great defensively, I believe he’s better than J Rich
Don't be a follower homie, be a leader! And if I lose you on twitter, then so be it
by supermantotherescue on Jan 13, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Based on what?
Wafer’s always been a terrible defender, and last night, he was just a mess against Ellis — a mass of mental mistakes. And he didn’t even have the back-to-back as an excuse.
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
i think Wafer can fix his problem defensively since hes only 26
J Rich, on the other hand, seems like hes gonna be a lost cause on D the rest of his career
Don't be a follower homie, be a leader! And if I lose you on twitter, then so be it
by supermantotherescue on Jan 13, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
and it was JJ
who was a mess against Ellis
Don't be a follower homie, be a leader! And if I lose you on twitter, then so be it
by supermantotherescue on Jan 13, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair
There’s not a lot of players who aren’t a mess trying to guard Ellis. He’s a big time scorer who is really quick.
Generally speaking, he will almost always get his points.
by Justin85 on Jan 14, 2012 9:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
He'll almost always get those points inefficiently.
That was not the case in this game. If he shot 10-23 or whatever, nobody would be saying anything
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
Monta Ellis is certainly capable of the kind of game he put up against us.
I think he gets a bad rep simply because his formative years were spent under bad coaching. He’s a more than capable (if not entirely willing) passer, a blur with the ball that can get to the rim and finish, he plays hard, and he’s capable of guarding opposing players. He doesn’t guard opposing players very often, but again, I’d like to see him with a good coach and some kind of normal, non-small ball, chaotic style of play.
When he plays under control, he’s a serious player and can light up almost everyone he goes up against. J-Rich wouldn’t have fared any better than JJ or Von Wafer.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Perhaps, but
it wasn’t that Ellis beat Wafer. It’s that Wafer was constantly out of position.
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
It was as much scheme as position
Sitting behind the bench at that game he got notes several times from SVG and D12 for not forcing Ellis to the right spot of the floor where he could get help.
On one fast break, for example, Wafer played him high forcing Ellis to the baseline where he scored. Had he played him for the baseline side as the Magic wanted, he would have forced him to the middle of the lane where a charging Howard had a chance to make a play on the ball or force a pass. Instead, he got a wide open layup.
I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?
by EnnBee on Jan 16, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
Too many mental lapses —→ easy shots for the opponent. Which has been true for Wafer a lot this season, and in previous seasons also.
If he listens to those notes and incorporates them into his game, maybe he’ll earn playing time… but he’s a little old to suddenly grasp a defensive scheme for the first time, no? The last thing we need is another Brandon Bass situation, where we sit on a guy expecting to reap the benefits when he learns how to play the game, and then he never does.
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
He's never been a very good player, let alone an amazing scorer.
He’s looked good exactly one time, in the playoffs with Steve Nash, and those numbers are so far out of line with his career numbers that they’ll never be approached again, including last year and this year and the rest of the years of his career. You’re crazy.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Jan 14, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I'd forgotten about that.
18.4 PER, 55.4% TS%; not All-Star numbers, but solid. It was also 4 years ago, and he was in his prime.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Jan 14, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
we need bench scorers, i guess u dont understand that Jrich is playing with the starters
JJ is our main scorer of the bench
by Magical-OverHauL on Jan 13, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
I would actually prefer J-rich off the bench over JJ because he plays both SG & SF
It would tighten the rotation even more and give more continuity to a 2nd unit with him playing w/Q or Wafer (def vs. off)
by the.pianolady on Jan 14, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
Because Otis is terrible.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Jan 14, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
nelson needs to go
We always here how players aren’t the same as the year before when they come here. First off J-rich was great in GS,phoenix, and charlotte, all those teams had play making points guards,not a ball stopper like nelson. Hedo played well when Orlando went to the finals. That was when nelson missed most of the year. We talk all the time about some of the magic who can’t play defense, put never mention nelson, he has no def. Ever notice how many PGs light him up? Not to mention how many times I see reddick or someone else hit 2 shots on a row,then nelson brings the ball up the court and forces a 3 with out any pass or just does way to much dribbling and loses control of the ball
This has been gone over many times. You're wrong.
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
You see Matt1325
There are these things in the communications field we like to call arguments. And what we learn is that people can disagree with an argument; and this is the process of arguing. Or people can choose to make ad hominem attacks. These attacks only attack the speaker. What you just did was to make an ad hominem attack against southside68 that did not further the conservation in any productive way.
Also, the number of posts southside68 has posted has nothing to do with his ability to construct an argument, nor does it reflect how many posts southside68 has read without posting.
Thanks for considering my post.
by nastynate2012 on Jan 13, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
You are wrong.
I meant no attack but rather was advising patience in goodwill rather than posting something controversial. 3.3seconds is saying something on the same line meaning that this issue has been gone over many times but a newcomer may not be familiar with.
by Matt1325 on Jan 14, 2012 8:02 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
When I read your post it quite honestly sounded condescending.
And many of the issues we talk about on OPP get rehashed over and over again. Cough…. trade posts…. cough.
by nastynate2012 on Jan 14, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
I told you of my intention but you can take it as you wish.
I honestly think controversial posts invite responses, back and forth, leading to unnecessary volume … who needs it? We have enough rubbish already (i.e., majority of trade posts, as you have noted … thank god that trade machine is down).
Kinda have to agree with Matt here.
Most magic fans are of the belief they need a “pass first PG” or “Jameer shoots too much” or “Jameer is too small” or “Jameer blah blah”. Evan has wrote many articles about Jameer Nelson and what he is. The worst being “Nelson cost us the finals” which is probably the worst because he was pretty consistent the whole series. Outside of game one when the adrenaline clearly wore off and SVG left him in, go watch the games again.
Anyways, Matt1325 is absolutely correct here. Read some articles about Nelson and people will figure out how wrong they are. People continue to expect more out of him than what he is. The dude shoots about 10-12 times a game, about the same as EVERYONE on the team. Learn what the SVG offense really is before saying this guy is this or that. Up until this season(so far) Jameer executes SVG’s offense perfectly. His job is to shoot the ball and dribble penetrate. But fans expect him to be Chris Paul. People, Chris Paul is the best pg since stockton. Paul is HOF. They don’t just grow on trees. Nelson is a solid PG who can be great when he his confidence going. This year he just seems to have no confidence. Maybe Dwight looking to play with other PG’s is affecting him.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
by Mateo9399 on Jan 15, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd.
Considering the team’s salary cap situation and the uncertainty surrounding Dwight, we have little possibility of upgrade at PG position, and as such Jameer has done fine in tandem with Hedo, who is not the same player he was last year. Now if Dwight leaves and Magic gets in rebuilding mode, Jameer would be more than adequate for the team, and even his expiring contract could be moved. That is not to say that if Dwight stays and we get a real chance at upgrading at PG position we should not go for it, but I cannot foresee such scenario.
by Matt1325 on Jan 15, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lol, Conservation
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 15, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I had a post recently about this
How we have been defending Jameer for years, giving him an exemption from all wrong. I do like Jameer but is realising that maybe he isn’t gonna be the starting point guard that brings home a title and the Magic might realize that after its too late – after Dwight is gone and huge rebuilding process begins.
Me Against The World And I'm Winning
by Andeezy on Jan 14, 2012 12:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Perhaps.
But maybe people should be bringing up this topic when we DON’T have the most effective offense in the NBA?
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
by 3.3seconds on Jan 15, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly. Until he's the reason our offense/defense isn't doing well, don't talk about it cause we're doing great right now
"If Dwight spent more time practicing and less time b!tching, then maybe he’d be playing a little better." -My Mom
I'm not a huge Nelson fan-
But we have good ball movement right now…
Go Magic/Bucs/Gators/Rays!
by chiefs_55 on Jan 13, 2012 8:42 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
It's not a matter of "right". Nobody has any right on a privately owned blog.
It’s a matter of what is right for the quality of the blog and its members. A controversial post generates unnecessary thread of responses, and may create a “David Polega”, in the process.
This indeed does have precedent
I read somewhere Jason Kidd stayed in NJ a lot longer than he would, for his wife (now ex) wanted to have some sort of media career in the Big Apple.
Well there was that Finals, Finals, ECF run that helped
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Happy that it's not serious...
However J-Rich is probably the worst perimeter defender in the NBA. So he should sit out this trip until he’s 100%. Let Wafer get some run to see if he’s got any value. He can obviously score but can he prove that he’s worth the playing time.
not good.
J rich had been playing better. SVG putting him in the post, off screens, etc. He had a few stinkers but I like what I see. Jameer has been the worst starter this year. And it pains me more than anyone else because I fight tooth and nail for Jameer. This year he just seems to have no confidence. He was great twice this week I believe, but turk has been pretty Damn solid. Shooting near 50%??? 5+ dimes? If he can get his rebounds to a little past 5 I would be exstatic. But I actually would rather keep turk at this point over nelson. And no I cant believe I typed that. Excuse me I am going to my room and hanging myself.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
by Mateo9399 on Jan 14, 2012 3:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Welcome to the dark side my friend...
It was a sad day when I finally admitted it, but admission is the 1st step, so put the rope down.
by the.pianolady on Jan 14, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather keep Turk AND Nelson.
They work together really well, you know.
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
nelson needs to wake up though
and if we could acquire a better starting PG and move Nelson to 6th man, I think that would be ideal
Don't be a follower homie, be a leader! And if I lose you on twitter, then so be it
by supermantotherescue on Jan 15, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
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