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Orlando Magic 117, Golden State Warriors 109

The Golden State Warriors' efforts to foul the Orlando Magic into submission failed Thursday night, as Dwight Howard absorbed the Warriors' beating en rout to a 45-point, 23-rebound performance in which he broke Wilt Chamberlain's regular-season record for free-throw attempts in a game, with 39. Hedo Turkoglu performed brilliantly in a supporting role, attacking the Warriors' defense with aggressive dribble penetration on his way to scoring 20, dishing a team-best nine assists, and committing only one turnover.

Orlando withstood a fine offensive perofrmance from Golden State, whose speedy off-guard duo of Monta Ellis and Nate Robinson torched Orlando's slow wing defenders and helped generate scoring opportunities for themselves as well as for big man David Lee (26 points) and shooting specialist Klay Thompson (14 points, 4-of-5 shooting from beyond the arc).

First-year coach Mark Jackson knew he had no chance to contain Howard playing traditional defense; single-covering him won't work, given the Warriors' lack of muscle inside, and he didn't want to risk doubling him up to free the Magic's outside shooters.

So Jackson fouled him, early and often; we ought to have gotten an indication how the night would proceed when he ordered rookie Jeremy Tyler to foul Howard away from the ball with eight seconds remaining in the first quarter. Howard took 39 of the game's 76 foul shots, and the game lasted 2:38 from tip to horn.

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Team Pace Efficiency eFG% FT Rate OReb% TO Rate
Magic 94.8 123.4 59.6% 52.9 22.0 10.5
Warriors 94.8 115.0 58.5% 15.9 15.0 14.8
Green denotes a stat better than the team's 2010/11 average;
red denotes a stat worse than the team's 2010/11 average.

All things considered, this win is pretty impressive. On top of Howard's dominant performance--in addition to his foul shots, he converted a season-best 12 field goals--Orlando beat an athletic team in a fast-paced game on the second night of a back-to-back following a hard-fought win. It also took care of the ball, not always something it does well, with turnovers on only 10.5 percent of its possessions.

Yes, perimeter defense is a problem, but in some respects, there's only so much one can do when Ellis decides to pull up from 20 feet. He scored 30, sure, but a bigger issue is his 11 assists, mostly off dribble penetration.

Early on, this game had the makings of a Warriors rout, as Golden State raced to a 9-0 lead after just over two minutes. The game turned in the closing minutes of the second quarter; after falling behind by 13, the Magic rallied to within four to close the first half as they turned up the defensive pressure and began to get the ball moving at the offensive end.

Credit Orlando for pulling out a come-from-behind win in a truly hostile environment; the Oracle Arena crowd is arguably the league's best, and Ellis gave it plenty to cheer about. Howard willed Orlando to victory, though, but the Warriors helped make that choice for him.

The biggest play of the game came with the score knotted at 109 and Orlando in possession. Turkoglu took one of his patented step-back threes, but missed the mark. Howard, however, got inside position on Lee and corraled the offensive board. Lee had no choice but to give the foul, but Howard converted the layup. The foul was Lee's sixth, Howard made the free throw, and left the Warriors with no real bigs. Ellis missed a deep three on Golden State's ensuing possession. Von Wafer sealed the game with a triple on Orlando's trip--off a Howard assit, naturally--and Howard stole the Warriors' final meaningful inbounds pass.

Jason Richardson left the game in the first half with a sprained knee after a collision with Lee, which means Wafer and J.J. Redick will see larger roles going forward.

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Great Win

We need a perimeter defender though. I would like to see Liggins get some spot minutes guarding the all star guards in the league because J Rich and JJ can’t keep up, and I’m not so sure about Wafer either. But I do like Wafer’s game a lot, and am looking forward to seeing him get more PT with J Rich out.

With such a logjam at the SG position, I wonder if we could trade either JJ or J Rich for a good defending SG (Lee, Ariza, Stephen Jackson) or for a backup PG (Andre Miller…who would start, and we could make Nelson our 6th man)

Also, hopefully we can use our MLE to get a backup C

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by supermantotherescue on Jan 13, 2012 4:11 AM EST reply actions  

im am pretty sure that is the plan

We all know that another move will be made to get some help and i am sure that Otis had this in mind when he resigned richardson and got wafer, I am pretty sure Reddick will be going elsewhere and he has more appeal due to his contract having an option to be expiring after this year, I am not positive that this is the plan but considering everything this seens like the only thought process that could be happening with so many SG being brought in and Reddick trade value soaring.

by Magical-OverHauL on Jan 13, 2012 7:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Moving Redick would be a very Otis thing to do.

’cause it would hurt the team.

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by magicfaninTN on Jan 13, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

i hope they use the MLE on J R Smith i think he is a better defender than jj or j rich and he can score jmo

by turbo champion on Jan 13, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

MLE on Wallace?

Is it crazy that I would love for us to pick up Roscoe? If he’s in shape, he would be the best big man out on the market.

by DenyTuesday on Jan 13, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

A sprained knee at Richardson’s age is baaaaaaaaaaad news, but this shakes up the backcourt like I was so desperately hoping for

Wondering who will get the start for the next game between Q. Rich, Redick, and Wafer

by HeyRiles on Jan 13, 2012 4:21 AM EST reply actions  

If J-Rich isn't ready to go, it's no question that it's Redick.

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by malenko on Jan 13, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That game was kinda boring to watch

Good Win none-the-less.PER D really needs to get fixed and quickly. Penetration was way too easy.We can’t always drive them to dwight otherwise many open shots. Dwight breaking the FT record. Great for him. Also open 3’s are good. but i wish they would stop shooting 3’s with a man right in there face with 13 seconds on the shotclock. clutch shooting at the end. so on to the next game

by Lil J on Jan 13, 2012 5:08 AM EST reply actions  

Mark Jackson cares not for your boredom

"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"

by 4QB on Jan 13, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Anderson has got to step up defensively

we cant keep him in the game for his offense if he is gonna get killed all night on defense

by Magical-OverHauL on Jan 13, 2012 7:31 AM EST reply actions  

Both Davis and Anderson were bad at defending Lee, Hedo did fairly well

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by 4QB on Jan 13, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

They were terrible defending Lee

Though in his defense, this season everyone other than San Antonio has been pretty bad at defending Lee.

I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?

by EnnBee on Jan 13, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not good man-to-man, but his team defense makes up for it.

You can beat him, but you’re not going to lose him and get an open shot. Same as Rashard, basically.

It's on like Gregg Zaun!

by 3.3seconds on Jan 13, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, he's a solid rebounder. Probably league-average, potential to be better.

And he does nothing to hurt the team either.

But yeah, his scoring is his main qualification for being in the lineup. Good thing he’s so good at it, right?

It's on like Gregg Zaun!

by 3.3seconds on Jan 13, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

This is mostly correct

But Lee was hitting jumpers and posting him up, so it was the man-to-man thing that was killing him in this game. He was not getting ‘system’ shots as much as just playing great. Ryan look defeated every time he came to the bench.

I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?

by EnnBee on Jan 13, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, that's going to happen.

Lee is a good scorer — and more to the point, he’s a versatile scorer. The Magic don’t have and can’t get a player who can reliably defend David Lee at PF, but they have a player with other strengths that also help the team. It works out, the same way Rashard worked out when he was an 18-20 PPG threat.

(But Anderson’s a better rebounder than Rashard. As far as I’m concerned, that’s the only major difference between Rashard circa ’08 and Anderson. Well, that, and Anderson is young enough to improve.)

It's on like Gregg Zaun!

by 3.3seconds on Jan 13, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

I really like this win because because despite their record, the Warriors are a pretty tough team especially at home. That lineup at the end with Meer, Reddick, Wafer, Turk, and Dwight has defensive liabilities but can possibly be dangerous on the offensive end. How do you all feel about that lineup in closing out games?

by CBMagic85 on Jan 13, 2012 8:25 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed. You don't beat the Heat and Bulls by accident.

Also, I must just keep missing where everyone mentions the Magic were on a back-to-back in this game, because that’s all I heard about the Portland game.

I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?

by EnnBee on Jan 13, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

You know, I said this at the beginning yesterday.

The Warriors aren’t a good team, but the one thing they can do well is swarm you with fast-paced offense, which is a real problem when you’re tired. The Magic were in the worst possible position with this game, but they won anyway because they were the better team. (And because Mark Jackson thought fouling all his players out on Dwight was a good idea.)

It's on like Gregg Zaun!

by 3.3seconds on Jan 13, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Just to expand a little on your comment...

The Warriors played a very efficient game offensively with an eFG% of almost 59% and had 27 assists on 43 field goals. Despite that, they still couldn’t win the game because of their Hack-a-Howard strategy and the fact the Magic were even more efficient on offense with an eFG% of almost 60%.

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by Mike from Illinois on Jan 13, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I can rarely watch these late games

but reading about it this morning, wow. Just wow. On a back to back too.

by aakks on Jan 13, 2012 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

GS fouling really did help us out

The team got to rest a ton and it had a set defense after every intentional foul. If we played tonight I bet we would have been fine physically

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by Souwantmyname on Jan 13, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Von Wafer and JJ

It is gonna to be interesting to see how this works especially if JRich is out for awhile. Overall, I think we will be fine but our perimeter defense has to tighten up a little bit.

by CBMagic85 on Jan 13, 2012 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

Its not gonna get better unless SVG puts a defensive wing player in the rotation

We need a Pietrus type in the rotation but I dont think Liggins is ready. Larry Hughes maybe???

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Jan 13, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Hughes is horrendous on D.

And I don’t think it’s worth worrying because a couple SGs happen to have good games against the Magic.

It's on like Gregg Zaun!

by 3.3seconds on Jan 13, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You know what panic moves based on a small sample size get us?

I don’t know either, but last time they got us Gilbert Arenas.

And you have any solutions that don’t involve a trade? I’m not saying Redick and Richardson are good defenders, but I’m saying they’re the two best we have. Maybe that’s sad, but it’s true.

It's on like Gregg Zaun!

by 3.3seconds on Jan 13, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Do you think SVG isn't seeing if Liggins can defend?

I assume he’s playing in practice, right? Maybe he’s failing. But maybe SVG realizes it’s probably not a good idea to go to the media and say “hey, this guy sucks right now, he’s not ready for the NBA.” It seems odd to get worked up that a second-round draft pick isn’t playing over two solid NBA players.

It's on like Gregg Zaun!

by 3.3seconds on Jan 13, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

The only problem with waiting and seeing in practice

Is there are only a limited # of practices this year to see that. I agree with you, but that’s the only problem w/ that.

by JeffShann3 on Jan 15, 2012 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

MIght want to check your facts. The Wafer three was assisted by Turk, not Howard.

And an assist from Dwight Howard is anything but natural. More like unnatural.

by Sci Fi on Jan 13, 2012 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

Dwight is averaging 2.3 assists per game

That is good enough for 6th among all centers in the NBA.

Just what are you looking for?

I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?

by EnnBee on Jan 13, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed, the assists stat *is* misleading

The problem is it doesn’t count if guys miss wide open shots and it doesn’t count the “hockey” assist. As such, it under reports everyone’s numbers – but especially guys who play in a system like the Magic’s.

I’m not saying Dwight is perfect, but his passing is vastly improved this year. It’s just a weird thing to pick on.

I don’t know of any other superstar who plays so demonstrably strong yet is expected to live up to some imaginary standard that is miles beyond what other players do. It boggles the mind.

I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?

by EnnBee on Jan 13, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

There should be nothing mind boggling about this.

He’s a poor passer. He needs to bet better. He’s improving but his main problem is he doesn’t value passing. He may be changing. If so, probably the single biggest change that could happen to the Magic. That change alone could elevate the team to truly elite status. It would not only make the other players better but he in turn would benefit.

You misunderstood my comment on the stat. It overvalues his performance. That’s all I’m saying. I’ll let you figure out why.

by Sci Fi on Jan 13, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

His turnover percentage is the lowest of his career, and his assist percentage (the number of teammate field goals he assists) is at the highest of his career. He does still have room to improve, but he has already improved.

Bob.

by The Dark on Jan 15, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

If anything, it undervalues his performance.

He’s a really good passer out of the post, but passes out of the post only rarely lead directly to shots/assists. Where he could improve is in passing off the pick-and-roll… which is difficult because the Magic don’t really have a team that drives to the basket much.

But I think we’ve seen more of that this season than in previous seasons, which to me suggests that Dwight’s getting more comfortable with it.

It's on like Gregg Zaun!

by 3.3seconds on Jan 17, 2012 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Wafer

is a huge downgrade from Richardson or Redick. I hope JRich comes back soon.

Proudly delusional...

by Satch30 on Jan 13, 2012 11:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Not that much

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You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
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by 4QB on Jan 13, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly....

and w/his athleticism, if/when he learns to play just a LITTLE D, he’ll be at least an even wash

by the.pianolady on Jan 13, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Only in turn of a spot up shooter

Defense is a wash with those two and Wafer can actually take his man off the dribble and finish at the basket

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Jan 13, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, you heard him.

Wafer may be bad at taking good shots, but he’s a real expert at taking tough, inefficient ones. Plus he never passes, so that’s awesome too, right?

It's on like Gregg Zaun!

by 3.3seconds on Jan 13, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Go take some Midol 3

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by Souwantmyname on Jan 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

That was uncalled for.

Wafer’s scoring style is inefficient, and he’s got a long history of ball-hogging. Which of those are you disputing, and do you have stats to back it up?

It's on like Gregg Zaun!

by 3.3seconds on Jan 13, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

You dont have stats either 3.. those are opinions

Those OPINIONS may be true but SVG himself has said Wafer is his best 1 on 1 player. Oh and your post was classy. I could barely recognize the sarcasm

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Jan 13, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

My opinions are based on his stats.

His stats last year in Boston, and his stats three years ago in Houston. (I don’t have his stats from two years ago, when he was out of the league.) He’s never been an efficient scorer, and he’s always been high-usage, low-passing.

It's on like Gregg Zaun!

by 3.3seconds on Jan 13, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

We are not playing one on one

and not sure if you noticed but Wafer was not able to take his man off the dribble last night and made quite a few dumb plays. He is more on the level of Duhon than JJ or JRich. It isn’t even close. For some reason, some fans are always in love with the bench scrubs.

Proudly delusional...

by Satch30 on Jan 13, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

he also hit the game winning 3...

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by supermantotherescue on Jan 14, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

He hit the 3 that pretty much sealed us the game, but it wasn't the game winner

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by BigMac12111 on Jan 14, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

FWIW

He did take his man off the dribble a few times and got into the paint. It created some good open looks for others.

by JeffShann3 on Jan 15, 2012 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Boring game but happy with the outcome.

As frustrating as this team is to watch at times, it’s good to see that we can hang in there and get wins. I hope they continue to work on build that toughness & endurance for the playoffs.

by AnnaJ on Jan 13, 2012 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

Hopefully j rich is better soon but he seemed a but worried in post game interview. It really throws off rotation having him out as he was also the backup sf. I’m guessing jj will end up playing closer to 40 minutes per game and wafer and q rich will split backup sg and SF duties with maybe sine liggins mixed in at sg

by dukenilnil on Jan 13, 2012 11:38 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

QRich is supposed to be back by the next game Monday

And would ideally be the backup small forward anyway.

I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?

by EnnBee on Jan 13, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Q is too small to defend SF's

Hopefully SVG puts Earl Clark in against Melo

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Jan 13, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

That's funny...

He was drafted as a SF. He’s listed in the NBA and on the Magic’s roster as a SF.

Yes, at 6’6" he’s on the smaller end of height for a SF, but his wingspan was measured at 7’ 1/2" when he was drafted (which is 1/4" longer than Lebron James’ wingspan), so I think he is probably tall enough.

I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?

by EnnBee on Jan 13, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

He was a lot more athletic than when he was drafted.

But yeah, I’d definitely put Q in over Clark 10 times out of 10.

It's on like Gregg Zaun!

by 3.3seconds on Jan 13, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

That

And he can, you know, occasionally knock down a shot or two. Or at the very least be a threat to score, unlike Earl.

by JeffShann3 on Jan 15, 2012 2:12 AM EST up reply actions  

This has been an awesome road trip thus far

Plus with three days rest and a potentially missing Carmelo, the Magic have a good chance to make it 4-0 for the trip.

If the Magic must trade Dwight, Hedo better stay. He needs to retire a Magic.

by funny80sguy on Jan 13, 2012 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

Watch your jinxing!

I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?

by EnnBee on Jan 13, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

The lineup of Nelson-Redick-Wafer-Hedo-D12 is ridiculously fun to watch

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by 4QB on Jan 13, 2012 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

Same thing I was thinking. It gives us different looks on the offensive end and they can still have their 4 out 1 in strategy w/ Hedo’s shooting.

by CBMagic85 on Jan 13, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

it only works if the other team goes small like GS

Hedo gets destroyed by legit PF’s

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Jan 13, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

There is nothing fun

about watching Von Wafer play. Unless you are the opposing squad.

by SantosLhalper on Jan 14, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

How dominant was Howard's performance

D12’s 45 point, 23 rebound, 4 steal game was the first time since Charles Barkley in 1988 that a player has scored 40+ points along with 20+ rebounds and 4+steals in a game.

The Magic’s 55 free throw attempts as a team tied for the second-most free throws they have shot in a game in franchise history.

The Magic had their best offensive quarter of the season in the fourth quarter, as they shot 11 of 14 (78.6%) from the field, 4 of 6 (66.7%) on threes, and 11 of 15 from the free throw line good for 37 points.

The Warriors shot over 50% from the field in three of the four quarters.

The Magic shot 11 of 23 on three pointers, and are now shooting 40.9% on the season from long range.

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by Mike from Illinois on Jan 13, 2012 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

The Magic shot 11 of 23 on three pointers, and are now shooting 40.9% on the season from long range.

Nice. Wish we could get that % each game instead of going hot/cold every other outing.

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by magicfaninTN on Jan 13, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

And interestingly enough, 3 point shooting is down around the league.

Hollinger’s Insider piece breaks down a bunch of stuff, but 3pt % is down to .339 from last years .358 across the league so far. That makes the Magic’s number look even better by comparison.

I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?

by EnnBee on Jan 13, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Love that they were able to hold off the Warriors with a solid offensive quarter in the 4th

because Golden State and Ellis were seriously ballin. I know this game was boring for most people but I thought it was encouraging in a way to see the Magic maintain their composure in such a strange game. Howard in particular must have been very frustrated but he was mostly cool. Lee inadvertently punched him in the face at one point but Dwight shrugged it off and kept playing solid ball.

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by cgsimone on Jan 13, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep... after starting 9 of 24 on FTs, he made 12 of his last 15

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by Mike from Illinois on Jan 13, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I've just done a ton of analysis on this.

Hopefully I can write a fan post later, but essentially my theory on the cause of Dwight’s (and other post player) FT woes is backed up by study of this game. I just wish I had the stats/time to do this thorough analysis of his career games to see if it still holds true over a much larger sample size.

I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?

by EnnBee on Jan 13, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It's like they were fouling Dwight so much...

…that he finally found his rhythm at the line later on.

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by Mike from Illinois on Jan 13, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Jackson’s tactic could have worked if he had his players foul Howard on a bit more inconsistent basis, but he had them foul him on pretty much every possession, and gradually, he got Howard into rhythm.

by Mr. Hyde on Jan 14, 2012 6:46 AM EST up reply actions  

From now on can we refer to the Hack-a-Dwight as the Smite-a-Dwight?

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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Jan 13, 2012 1:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I normally hear "Hack-a-Howard".

Which I think is better than Smite-a-Dwight anyways.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Jan 13, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

This!

Although it was nice to see Dwight get mad in a game and play it out instead of pout…he was scary when he got mad. And the Warriors wanted NO PART of him either after that! He impressed Shaq, which is awesome all by itself

by the.pianolady on Jan 13, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Notes from the sidelines

I was able to sit directly behind the Magic bench for the 3rd straight year and here are some of my observations (though more may come to me later).

1. I certainly saw far more leadership from Dwight throughout the game. Especially as things tightened up in the 4th quarter he would pull the team together in the huddle before returning to the floor with various words of encouragement or pleas to stick together and play their game, etc. He definitely seemed to be having a good, close time with players on the floor.

2. SVG was definitely far less vocally negative with the players on the bench. He was certainly exasperated (especially in the first half) complaining about the team not doing any of the things they talked about in practice on defense. A couple of times he (rightly) got on Von Wafer for not forcing Ellis to the middle of the floor on a break.

3. In the 4th quarter, after the big block on Robinson, the Warriors threw it out of bounds from the top of the key. I couldn’t see the start of the pass well, but the ball was awarded to Golden State and SVG was all over the ref about the call. After several seconds of this Dwight hollered at Stan from the field that Davis said he touched the ball on the pass and that shut Van Gundy up. It was difficult to read much into it, but it was definitely interesting that Dwight was essentially telling SVG to give it a rest with the official.

4. Talking with people in the stands, Orton seemed quite exasperated to be in a suit and not playing. On the subject he seemed far from gruntled.

5. QRich is a crazy awesome cheerleader. The stuff he says and way he gets into it is pretty awesome to see. Some fans were heckling him and the team about Dwight leaving and he would make some comments back. The ushers said they usually tell the players to stop that sort of stuff, but since the fans started it, they let it go.

6. Glen Davis is a trip. Some fans were also heckling him and he would give it back (in a joking, defusing way – not an aggressive dickish way). During timeouts when he wasn’t in the huddle he was very likely to be just drinking something and making faces at the crowd. After the dagger 3 when the fans started rushing towards the exits he stood shaking hands and saying “Goodbye. Thanks for coming. Drive safely” to a good 30 different people. It’s hard to explain how it comes off, but it is oddly endearing and his enthusiasm is infectious.

I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?

by EnnBee on Jan 13, 2012 2:08 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

:) Thanks for sharing all this. Great to have your perspective.

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by magicfaninTN on Jan 13, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome report, thanks for posting this!

I always thought QRich was the World’s BIggest Magic Fan…this confirms it.

by benogrady on Jan 13, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I for one am impressed and relieved at Stan's professional improvement on the sidelines.

But God knows he is still funny as ever, as noted in his pre-3rd quarter mini-interview…LOL

by the.pianolady on Jan 13, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I still haven't watched the telecast, but I wouldn't record post game press conferences of any other coach like I do for SVG

His discussions in timeouts haven’t really changed (always strategy or pep talky), but the things he says to officials and other players on the bench while the ball is in play is markedly different. It seemed to be somewhat less, but definitely less strident and not as likely to be passive aggressive (or aggressive aggressive) outright negativity.

I’ve loved SVG since he joined the Magic, but was impressed even more with him this time.

I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?

by EnnBee on Jan 13, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Orlando Magic player ranked #1 in PER at his position

and it isn’t Dwight. Pretty neat to click PF on Hollinger’s PER page and see none other than RA at the top of the list ahead of Love with a current 24.91. Bragging rights, 45/23/4/3/2 but look who’s ichiban today.

"It can be done, you can just crush somebody" -svg

by Warlando on Jan 13, 2012 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

Most important # of the night?

21-39…FT’s Dwight made/attempted. Not impressed? Well, if u watched the game, u wud know that 1/2 of his misses were directly caused by frustration where he would usually gain his composure and hit the 2nd. One particular instance late in the game on a crucial attempt, he had the ref get the towel boy to wipe off the ball. It wasn’t wet, he just found a way to gain an extra few seconds to compose himself, and subsequently drained the attempt. The dude is growing up finally.

Also, hear Kevin Harlan/Steve Kerr & then Charles Barkley actually make a plea for Dwight to stay in Orlando, citing that this team is as good, or even better than what he would be leaving for and that the “Grass is not greener on the other side of the fence.” I never remember them making that kind of statement concerning other superstars (CP3, ’Melo, LeBron, etc.)

by the.pianolady on Jan 13, 2012 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed, but I would like to see more commentators mention he should stay.

If he stays with Orlando they have a chance to be something really special and he would define a team and generation.

I wondered about the ball thing, but that makes prefect sense. Kudos to Dwight.

Also, while Dwight voiced frustration at the refs a few times, he was a pretty cool customer throughout (though he was totally getting some sneaky elbows in on Warriors guards cutting through the lane in the 4th quarter as the game became more physical – especially #11 Thompson).

I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?

by EnnBee on Jan 13, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Grass is not always greener on the other side

If Dwight leaves a good team like the Magic with a top 3 coach in NBA for a team that has a superstar PG, yes, but after that then what?! But I’m nobody to judge..

by CBMagic85 on Jan 13, 2012 8:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Wait, exactly what did Steve Kerr say about Dwight needing to stay in Orl?! Does anybody have the clip?

by CBMagic85 on Jan 13, 2012 8:37 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Just as the.pianolady said...

… that “grass is not necessarily greener at the other side” and that he (Dwight) should perhaps reconsider his decision. With the way this team plays right now, I’m not surprised at all that people are starting to talk that way. As a matter of fact, I’m pretty sure Dwight himself is starting to think that perhaps he should be better off if he just stays, and you know, collect those extra 20M dollars that are guaranteed to him if he resigns with us. We just need to keep on winning is all. But that been said, as soon as we hit a slump, the negative talk will be back on. That is just the nature of the beast.

by Mr. Hyde on Jan 14, 2012 7:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Keep winning and the rumors will calm down

I’ve even noticed that when Orl wins, the media doesn’t have much to talk about “Magic is winning despite trade request”. We will lose some games but as long as we avoid losing streaks (like 5-6 games) media won’t have a Dwightmare feast. Of course, if Dwight is still here after the deadline, the ultimate factor in him POSSIBLY staying will be how we perform in the playoffs…

by CBMagic85 on Jan 14, 2012 3:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

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