Howard and Turk for Bynum, Scola, and Martin (+picks)
by ggarrett on Jan 11, 2012 11:12 AM EST
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PrintFrom what I've read the best the Magic can do for Howard is Bynum and Gasol. Of course, LA says they aren't giving up Bynum and Gasol for Howard...who cares, this speculative fanpost helps me procrastinate at work. Problem is I think Gasol is a waste. However, what if Otis uses the groundwork from the CP3 to LA trade and turns Gasol into Martin, and Scola. Here's the CP3 trade:
Hornets working to finalize details on 3-team deal to send Chris Paul to Lakers, Pau Gasol to Rockets and Lamar Odom, Kevin Martin, Luis Scola to New Orleans, sources say. It is likely that the Hornets will receive draft picks as part of a package for Paul, but source says: "Those are still being determined."
Besides Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, Lamar Odom and Goran Dragic, Hornets will also receive a draft pick from Houston, source says.
The trade machine is down so I can't get exact details. But the principals would be:
Dwight and Turk out (+ another 6M player out maybe J-Rich if we wait til he's tradeable)
Bynum, Martin, Scola in. Possibly 1st round pick that Houston owns from Knicks. Maybe Dragic as well.
3 Starters and a pick for 2 starters definitely seems like the best we can do. Scola and Martin are more veteran than young pieces so it fits Devos demands.
Thoughts?
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scola is a great role player. great rebounder, knocks down open shots. but we already have a log jam at the 4. and he cant play back center. kevin martin is simply a scorer but nobody keeps him. he would be better for us than scola. i say trade scola for a backup center. bynum is the next best center behind dwight so its better than nothing. but i love that pick. and i really would like to have marshon brooks. anyway with that pick maybe we can get doc rivers son and make him our franchise point gaurd.
rivers is good but not that good
i would like to see dion waters in a magic uniform someday but that could just be me being partial and getting way ahead of myself.
by INTOTHEMEATGRINDER on Jan 11, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Basically...
this is more along the lines of what I’ve been hoping for, outside of Dwight staying, of course. I think we take back Scola because he is coveted around the league, making him valuable to move for other younger pieces. Rebuilding (which is what you are doing post-superstar) takes several years in any regard. But with our owner dreaming of a championship run EVERY year because he doesn’t have many left, we have to do the rebuild undercover, so to speak. I like Ryan Hollins (Center at Cavs I believe), long 7ft’er that’s athletic and defensive minded. They are still in rebuild mode, so we could maybe get Scola over there for him and another piece.
BTW...
I’ve been following for several years and used to post over at TQC. Just decided to jump in here to maybe help keep people from jumpin off a bridge. I am a big DH fan, but God knows he is not bigger than the team. Let’s keep perspective. I respect the stand Otis has taken with what has amounted to be a spoiled brat throwing a tantrum (DH demands). He wants to play with one-dimentional players who are self-proclaimed “superstars”? FINE! Let him. We’ll get a ring before he will by doing it the right way. Hindsight is 20/20…what would everybody be saying if we had won a ring with Otis’ moves and he STILL wanted to leave? Think about it…
by the.pianolady on Jan 11, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
cause we were fine when we lost Shaq....
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jan 11, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Four years later...
after we finally moved out everyone we had brought in to play around Shaq, we were lookin at a championship team. What happened? David Robinson decides to make another run and Timmy got back on a plane w/his Mickey Mouse ears and re-signed w/San Antonio. This AFTER we had traded for Grant Hill. That was a winning duo. So, we went after T-mac, who by himself made us a playoff team. IF Hill was healthy? If we wudv had the balls to keep T-mac when we knew we were drafting DH even though he was demanding a trade too? Alot of if’s…
by the.pianolady on Jan 11, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
Also, let’s not forget that the Magic did not have one losing season in the 4 years after Shaq left (even had a .660 record in the lockout shortened season). The really terrible years didn’t happen until 6 or 7 years after he left and that’s pretty hard to pin on him directly.
Still, I’d rather keep Dwight than anything else, but I’m pretty doubtful we can overcome the Adidas money.
I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?
I agree with mrgodfrey, the trade creates a logjam at the 4 (we don’t have one now), but Davis plays backup center minutes. And really, isn’t Scola at the back up 4 instead of Davis a MAJOR upgrade? If the problem is we have more tradeable assets than we can appropriately use in every game, I can live with that. Also, the pick gives us the chance for even more future assets.
It leaves us slim at the 3. But Scola and Martin strike me as the type of players SVG will get a ton out of. Should the Magic push for Dragicthen we’ve got an upgrade at back up PG.
Finally, Bynum isn’t near the defender or athlete of Dwight. But he may be an upgrade or at least an equal to him on offense.
I don’t want Dwight to leave. But we could be a Denver-east with this line-up.
i think scola would have to go back to LA for the lakers to trade pau and bynum as much as i hate to admit it bynum is balling right now and i dont think the lakers will trade both there bigs without getting a big back jmo i think it would be more like
orlando gets bynum, martin, dragic
houston gets pau, duhan
LA gets scola howard turk
and I could live with that...
The Howard vs. Bynum debate was raised on ESPN’s First Take this morning…they seem to agree that Bynum for Howard would actually make BOTH teams better. If you can find a clip, it’s definitely encouraging. I’m ALMOST sold.
by the.pianolady on Jan 12, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I could see LA asking for that. But I just don’t see them getting Turk and Scola. I understand Turk isn’t a 4, has failed every time anyones played him at 4, and will never be a 4. But the Magic got to tote the line. “You’re getting a 6’10” utility forward and the best center/defender/player in the league".
Why would we want to trade Howard for a one year rental of Bynum and Martin
Bynum and Martin are unrestricted free agents after next season. So by next trade deadline we would be in the very same exact spot as this year.
+ Martin will be 29 at end of this season and even in Houston’s defensive system he is one of the league’s worse defenders.
+ Gasol is younger than Scola and is 7’ vs 6-9’ and can play PF and Center. Gasol is also a more efficient scorer, much better rebounder and way better shot blocker. Both are equally good defensively and quality passers. Neither have injury problems.
If the Magic are in a win now scenario (1-3 year window) then giving away Gasol in a three way trade with Houston is terrible.
by MagicLA on Jan 11, 2012 2:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
we should flip gasol
for a talented wing player and a pg…something like Rudy Gay and OJ Mayo
Don't be a follower homie, be a leader! And if I lose you on twitter, then so be it
by supermantotherescue on Jan 11, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Right...
and while we’re at it, go ahead and trade J-rich and Jameer for Westbrook and we’ll be set!! COME ON MAN
by the.pianolady on Jan 12, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
God, no.
I wouldn’t trade Earl Clark for Westbrook. We might as well sign Stephon Marbury… the guy is an idiot.
(Yeah, that’s an exaggeration. Westbrook would probably be a valuable backup PG in the league, if only because the bar for backup PGs is so low.)
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
However...
I think if Houston wants Gasol THAT bad, then make them cough up Lowry. It’s easier to replace a PG than a 7’0 stud right?
by the.pianolady on Jan 12, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure I agree that Bynum and Martin being unrestricted at the end of next season is a problem. It gives us two season to evaluate this (imaginary) team and if it doesn’t work out we clear $25-30 mil in cap space.
I think SVG’s defensive concepts are better than Houstons. R. Lewis was a minus defender all his career and a plus defender in Orlando. Maybe I’m naive but if SVG can get Redick to be a good team defender I think he can get Martin there.
The two months of age Scola has on Gasol is worth mentioning? They’re both 31. Scola posts 16 and 5, Gasol 17 and 10. Gasol makes $19M+ over the next 4 years; Scola makes $10M+ over the next 4. I’d rather be tied to the lower salary. Plus we’re comparing Gasol’s 17/10 to Scola’s 16/5 AND Martin’s 16/2/2. We’re also getting a pick…
Just seems like a plus situation to me. Would I be devastated if we kept Gasol and saw what happened? No. But IMO, I’d rather have Scola and Martin.
How do you get two seasons out of that?
Any trade is going to occur after the all-star break. That means at best you get a half season look in a completely reconstructed team + half of a new season before trade deadline when you have to decide if you trade Bynum or lose him for nothing at seasons end.
Gasol’s contract is for three years including this season not 4. And he is a much more superior player than Scola, look at any stat website if you don’t believe me. Plus he can play and defend PF and Centers and has multiple NBA and international championships.
Scola’s numbers are also with him being on a middle of the pack team at best, while Gasol’s numbers are on a Laker championship team. That means every night he gets the opposing team’s best effort – that doesn’t really happen in Houston except maybe vs instate rivals and playoffs. Not to mention his numbers are playing with Kobe (LA’s first, second and third option).
Btw Redick was in his early 20’s when he improved, Martin will be 29 at season’s end – big difference in mental and physical capacity to change. Lewis (and JJ) defended better under the protection of Dwight at his side, that will not happen with Bynum.
by MagicLA on Jan 11, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I guess I get 2 seasons using the same math you used when saying Pau is “younger” than Scola. (take this as a joke and not me being arse :p ) Obviously I’m stretching a little to make my point sound better. Yes it could only be 2 half seasons. And, of course, what’s worse is it usually takes one full season for any player to “get” SVG’s themes. I’m not saying it’s without it’s problems. But losing Dwight is a big problem from the start.
I’m not arguing for a second that Scola is better than Gasol. I am arguing that Scola and Martin and picks, are better for the Magic than Gasol.
Lewis was what? 28 when he started with the Magic? SVG created a situation where Lewis was a plus team defender (and yes it was due to Dwight). All I’m saying is I believe Martin will be a better defender in Orlando than in Houston. And I believe this because with or without Dwight, SVG has solid defensive systems.
Don’t read this as me saying our defense isn’t going to go south dramatically with Bynum in the middle instead of Dwight. All I’m saying is that Martin (who has a reputation as a bad defender) might be less bad to even average in an SVG system.
Pau Gasol is younger, how am I stretching the truth?
You are doubling the time we have to decide or trade Bynum by. C’mon now thats not quite the same thing.
Because Gasol is locked for three years he is a better overall pick up than Scola for a team that wants to win now. Salary difference is meaningless because if the Magic are going for a trophy they will be way over the cap anyhow.
Houston doesn’t have their own 1st rd draft pick. They do own NY’s 2012 1st rounder which will be 17 at best unless they somehow fall apart and don’t make the playoffs – which is very doubtful. They also have NJ’s 1st rounder which is top 14 protected.
So you basically are trading Dwight Howard (+ Hedo or whatever else) for Luis Scola, a 1 year rental of Bynum and Martin and two very low first rounders. That is terrible.
I Agree
Bynum at center. Then we have Scola, Anderson and Davis at PF and we can try to swap one of them for a backup center. The same thing at SG, where we have Martin, Richardson and Redick: we can maybe swap Richardson for a good small forward like Gerald Wallace, and we still have Jameer at PG.
New Orlando Magic:
- Bynum, backup center
- Scola, Davis or Anderson
- G. Wallace, Harper/Ligins
- K. Martin, Redick, Wafer
- Nelson, Duhon
Good team, in my opinion…
But it's impossible!
Early in December, the Lakers had Odom, Gasol and Bynum in their roster. To getting Paul, they were ready to use two of their three big man. But right now, Odom is in Dallas and the lakers have received substantially nothing in return.
No way they loss also Pau and Andrew for Dwight!
If we are trading with LA and want LA to let go of both Bynum and Gasol (in any trade scenario) then Ryan Anderson (or a third team) will likely have to be included somehow. But Houston is absolutely not it for the Magic.
Taking on Hedo is a deal breaker for LA if we want both bigs (as part of any deal) because they already have 4 small forwards (Artest, Barnes, Ebanks, Walton). They have a lot of money committed to that position already – and we would not take Artest or Walton in return. So the Lakers would want a very good incentive to absorb Hedo’s deal. Anderson would be their likely asking price as he would fill their resulting hole at PF.
• Portland is absolutely not trading Gerald Wallace….and specially not for Richardson – that’s ridiculous.
What about Jordan Hill or Chase Budinger?
Do you think it would be possible to land one or both of those guys or work them into a deal that lands us Wallace? Either way, if we ship Hedo, we really need another SF and Budinger would be decent. I feel like a 4th team is going to have to come in but without the trade machine I’m not sure what’s feasible.
There is no way LA gets Dwight and Anderson for Gasol and Bynum. None.
At this point Anderson is outplaying Gasol. I know you just lost your mind…“This dude just said Anderson is better than Gasol”. I’m not saying that. All I’m saying is you don’t trade a young promising player, plus the best player in the league (arguably). For an aging all star (who is currently being outplayed by the young promising player) and Andrew Bynum.
I agree with you that taking on Hedo is probably a deal breaker for LA. I didn’t realize how much they have tied up in the SF position. Obviously I don’t agree with you about Houston being in the mix. But it might take another team absorbing Hedo for this to be realistic.
by ggarrett on Jan 11, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Did you just say Anderson is outplaying Gasol?
I think Anderson has a bright future but as of right now he is not better than Gasol. Anderson’s offensive stats are on par with Gasol (thus far in 9 games) but if you look at rebounding, passing, defense, shot blocking this year and in career stats there is absolutely no comparison. I like Anderson like every other Magic fan and he might get to where Gasol is in a couple of years but seriously….
Anderson vs Gasol (this year)
PER 25.1 vs 21.6
PPG 18 vs 16.6
RPG 7.3 vs 9.5
BPG .03 vs 1.6
APG .09 vs 2.3
FG% .437 vs .573
TS% .589 vs .610
DRtng 102 vs 96
Anyhow what I said was that LA will only use both of their bigs in trade if Anderson (or a third team are involved).…they wont give up both for Howard alone because they would have a huge hole at PF.
He specifically didn't say that.
He said that Anderson is 22 and has a lot of value to a rebuilding team, whereas Gasol is 31 and really only relevant to teams that are planning to contend in the next year or two.
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
Uhm yes he did - reread it
At this point Anderson is outplaying Gasol.
All I’m saying is you don’t trade a young promising player, plus the best player in the league (arguably). For an aging all star (who is currently being outplayed by the young promising player) and Andrew Bynum.
His disclaimer of “Anderson not being a better than Gasol” does not apply to my response. He specifically stated twice that Anderson is outplaying Gasol right now.I provided stats that showed him to be incorrect as overall Gasol has statistics that prove he is performing at a much higher level in all aspects of the game not just offensively.
and he didn’t even mention value to a rebuilding team – you did. BTW read this:
http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/34069760
Report: Magic don’t want to rebuild after Howard
Sources familiar with Orlando’s thinking say that a picture of what the Magic will ultimately expect in return for their anchor has indeed begun to emerge, telling ESPN.com this week that Orlando would not hold out for youth and draft picks as the league-owned New Orleans Hornets were ordered to do in the Chris Paul sweepstakes. The Magic, sources say, would instead prefer to bring back multiple established veterans who can keep the team competitive.
Reason being: Orlando has moved into a new arena last season and has a 85-year-old owner in Rich De Vos. Sources say De Vos has little interest in starting over/rebuilding, as evidenced by the recent decisions to trade for Glen “Big Baby” Davis and re-sign Jason Richardson even though Howard’s future is so murky.
Anderson is outplaying Gasol.
It’s sort of the fundamental point of the PER stat.
Further you didn’t provide a single stat that “proves he (Gasol) is performing at a much higher level in all aspects of the game just not offensively” (note my edit assumes you meant to acknowledge that Gasol isn’t outperforming Anderson offensively).
In fact if there was one stat that “proved” otherwise it would be the PER stat.
Regardless of all this. Adding Anderson into the trade mix with Howard is stupid. And MagicLA pretty much acknowledged that it wasn’t a suggestion, since there was emphasis on adding a third team into the mix rather than giving up Anderson.
PER is ineffective with such a small sample size. That is why I gave other stats.
If you use that measure Anderson is outplaying D Rose and Dwight Howard right now.
Anderson 25.6
Rose 23.64
Howard 23.48
+ Gasol and the Lakers have played much harder teams:
Lakers Strength of Schedule = .575 vs Magic SOS =.395.
Even vs tougher opponents, Gasol is:
• bringing down 2.2 more rebounds per game
• rejecting 1.3 more blocks per game
• dishing out 1.2 more assists per game
• shooting 36 percentage points more accurately and 21 percentage points more efficiently;
• defending 6 points better per defensive rating than Anderson.
• also Anderson’s usage rate is 23.3 vs Gasol’s 19.9.
How much more evidence do you need; and that’s without career stats that show that Gasol can maintain those numbers, Anderson has yet to prove so.
Trading Anderson would be suicidal unless it is in a package for a star to keep D12
Everyone knows that rebuilding (we’re going in that direction if Howard dips out) revolves around young talent. Anderson is the youngest player (excluding our rookies) on the team (remember only played one year of college). He is playing like a guy who wants to make the All-Star team in the next year or two. No way does he leave with Howard.
Of course that is what they're SAYING...
But they KNOW different
by the.pianolady on Jan 12, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
They are going along w/rich old guy De Vos in public, but they are not naive to the fact that no Dwight= REBUILDING!
by the.pianolady on Jan 14, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
assembling a championship team and putting a competitive playoff team on the floor are two very different goals. The Magic can most certainly convert Dwight into at minimum a playoff team and if it gets Bynum/Gasol or something like that they are at least a second round or deeper playoff team. That is not rebuilding but staying competitive and filling their shiny new $500 million arena.
Watlon, Ebanks and Barnes...Really
I take that back about Hedo and LA.
Artest is making 7M for the next 2yrs and Walton is making 6M. Barnes and Ebanks…2.63M combined, both expiring this year. Further, Walton’s been an amnesty candidate from LA since the lockout ended.
Further, “Walton has played in just three games this year for the Lakers, playing a total of 10 minutes.
Spin: Walton is buried on the team’s depth chart right now. He’s unlikely to see much action unless the team has a litany of injuries” <—-ESPN player profile for Walton.
i hope the magic can sign jr smith when he comes back from china that would be a guy who could create his own shot and they wouldn’t have to trade for him then they could offer a package around nelson and reddick and try to get a better pg
by turbo champion on Jan 11, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing...
J-rich is starting right now because he is trade bait. That is why Reddick is so confident. They had to have some one-on-ones with people once this stuff from Howard leaked. Everyone knows where they stand if they are planning on keeping them post-Howard.
by the.pianolady on Jan 12, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Lakers have already stated that they will not use the amnesty clause on Walton because his contract is not big enough or long enough to waste on
At SF in 2012/13 LA would have $23.25m tied up in Hedo $11m + Artest $7.25 + Walton $5m
…that $ is nothing for LA but losing a PF of Gasol’s caliber is. They need a PF coming back somehow.
The only way to win a championship in Orlando
keep Dwight and add another reliable scoring threat / good defender. I love Ryno, but he has a tendency to shy away against strong defensive teams or in the playoffs. I don’t see this turning out good. Well at least we have the new arena.
This is my response
I posted this like 3 weeks ago. How Orlando can Trade Howard and be OK
We discussed this already.
keeping anderson means we need a dominant center in the paint. someone that attracts double teams. with that being said none of them can create their own shot….. so they depend on dwight. we need ball handlers……. i know most people dont like to hear this but we need monta… who else is on the trading block or about to be a free agent that we can get that can create their own shot….?? anyway jameer is a great player but i think he is a backup. his first season he was a slasher and he created shots for dwight….. what happened? but my biggest question or concern is………….. where is justin harper? i want to see what he has. you look at him on youtube and he looks like a young marcus alridge. SVG never plays his rookies. liggins is a perimeter defender. use him. reddick, turk and richardson look lost on defense. has orton gotten any better?
i agree with you on monta i think he would work really well with dwight but i dont know how the magic pry him away from the warriors
by turbo champion on Jan 12, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody "needs" Monta Ellis.
Monta Ellis “creates his own shot”. What you’re neglecting to mention is, those are crappy low-percentage shots. One of the Magic’s greatest strengths is that they don’t have to rely on some idiot hoisting wild, contested shots off isolations — they have an offense that, when it’s running properly, finds the open man and gets an easy basket. (And yes, that’s true even without Dwight. Though Dwight certainly helps.)
As for Harper and Liggins, they’re presumably not playing because the Magic have actual NBA players at those positions, and neither of them has demonstrated that they’re that good (yet/at all). They’ll get their chance when they earn it.
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
I have to agree here with 3.3 about Harper and Liggins. Maybe I’m giving SVG too much credit but he seems to be very good at gauging his lineups and who should and shouldn’t play.
Look back to Bass’ first year here vs. his second. Anderson last year. CLee’s rookie year. Gortat’s first couple seasons. Excepting CLee, people complained that certain players should get more time. But it was clear that they didn’t get the system at the time. It was also abundantly clear how much better they were after more practice time to develop.
That being said, I’m betting that Clark has more run by the second half of the season. He fits the bill of “talented player that’s looked lost in the past but should be figuring things out soon”.
Clark was the worst offensive player in the league last year.
Literally. Seven players has a worse TS% than him, and all of them were better passers than he was. No SF is good enough at defense to make up for that.
(And if one were, it wouldn’t be Clark, who’s fairly tough man-to-man but tends to get lost on rotations. Let’s face it, he’s a lesser, skinnier Brandon Bass.)
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
monta has also had very little talent around him so he has had to force up shots but he seems to be a willing passer when his teammates are hitting shots i think he has been forced to be more of a volume shooter because of the team and style of play his team runs
by turbo champion on Jan 12, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
He’s got David Lee and Stephen Curry. Both much better options than Ellis, neither able to make much headway because Monta insists on dumb isos. Monta chucks because Monta chucks. He’s always chucked, and he always will chuck.
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
both years he has had curry his assists have been up and also last year with david lee and part of taking so many shots is golden state plays up tempo basketball and monta averages over 40 min/per i agree he is still a high volume shooter but there are reasons for it i still think a pairing of monta and howard would be a lethal combo jmo
by turbo champion on Jan 12, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
do we really need to trade turk?
i mean, if we’re in the “win now mode” that management is insisting on, so what if he has a bit of a tough contract. unless we can get at least a comparable small forward why trade the one that is possibly the best fit for this magic team in the league? if a team doesn’t have to take his contract, we could probably demand more from teams talent-wise and have a more complete team if we end up trading dwight. the way turk has been playing lately, we’re generally better off with him playing for us right now than not.
Would you guys trade Nelson for Andre Miller?
I heard Miller wants a starting role
Don't be a follower homie, be a leader! And if I lose you on twitter, then so be it
by supermantotherescue on Jan 13, 2012 3:33 AM EST reply actions
or J Rich for Miller
and have Nelson be our 6th man
Don't be a follower homie, be a leader! And if I lose you on twitter, then so be it
by supermantotherescue on Jan 13, 2012 3:34 AM EST up reply actions
nelson no j rich maybe but not now because rich is hurt maybe in a few weeks
by turbo champion on Jan 13, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
what about this trade:
Orlando Gives D12, Jameer, Turk and J Rich
NJ gives D Will
LA give Bynum, Gasol and Barnes
Huston gives Scola, Martin, Dragic (just what they were willing to give, back in the CP3 trade that was vetoed)
NJ gets Jameer Nelson, Martin and Dragic (remember that they will have no option to retain D Will if D12 goes to LA, at least they get reasonable compensation and better players than those they traded for D Will).
LA gets D12, Turk and Scola (they get D12, enough said, but they also get a good replacement for Gasol)
Huston gets Gasol and J. Rich (could also be Reddick instead. Essentially they get better return than in the initial CP3 deal).
Orlando gets D Will, Bynum and Matt Barnes. (I can’t think of a better realistic not ideal return for Howard than this. We shed Turk’s contract and we get the 2nd best big consolation at least and he is playing well right now and a great PG. Deron might be persuaded to resign with the Magic, for we will have a core team of Bynum 2nd best big, Anderson and Reddick- which are constantly improving and playing great- and we will have cap space to sign someone in 2012 FA, which will be loaded, maybe Gerald Wallace).
I know Nets fans will complain that they will not be getting sufficient return for Deron Williams, but they have to keep in mind that if they can’t sign Howard, DWill is gone, so this will probably be the best return they will get, especially if the magic pull this next to the trade deadline.
I was on board until u had D Will goin' to Orl...
If that trade doesn’t have D Will goin to L.A., it won’t fly. I’d rather go for a 3-way w/ Houston or Portland. Gerald Wallace is in the same bucket w/Dwight, CP3, and D Will. He’ll be opting out this summer, so if he walks, we have cap space GALORE by moving Turk, Duhon, and whoever else it takes to make it happen. Portland was willing to overpay Hedo 2 yrs ago, so maybe they wud be interested in taking the rest of his contract. At least they won’t have to worry about him this summer. They have good young players, they need experience. It would probably end up a 4-team with Gasol going to Houston, and Turk going to Portland, Howard to L. A., Wallace to Orlando, and fill in the blanks, as everyone is over the cap.
Maybe… Scola, J-rich, Howard, Duhon to L.A.
Martin, Bynum, Wallace, Fisher to Orl
Gasol to Houston
Hedo, 2nd rd’er to Portland
Even if Bynum, Martin, and/or Wallace are rentals, it will give the impression of trying to win now, but the flexibility of rebuilding in 2 yrs. Maybe a pipe dream, but makes more sense than not blowing up the team, seeing as how these guys we have were brought in the play around Dwight. And don’t forget, Jameer’s contract will be up at the same time as the others.
by the.pianolady on Jan 14, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
In a nutshell, we could re-construct the team from scratch in less than 2 yrs.
And the only person who would be under guaranteed contract is Big Baby.
by the.pianolady on Jan 14, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
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