TRADE EVERYONE ELSE (keep Dwight and get Paul in offseason)
Since this season seems pretty hopeless unless Otis pulls off something amazing, might as well go ahead with an idea of mine to keep Dwight and sign Chris Paul or Deron Williams. They can if they wanted too wait until the trading deadline until making these moves. It would give the Magic front office more time to assess where Dwight's position on the team direction is going and if they can actually win this year. Anyway my idea is like this...
The players we have right now can't win us a championship this year. There isn't any trade out there where we can get equal value for Dwight (except maybe a Lebron swap or maybe for Blake Griffin) or any reasonable trade where we can get him another star to play with. At the trading deadline or sooner the Magic should trade everyone else with a multi-year deal for players with expiring contracts. At the end of the year, the Magic will be in a similar situation the Heat were in when they had one of the biggest off-season signings of all-time. Magic keep Dwight Howard and get Chris Paul in the off-season and other players that will complement those two. Hopefully, they don't trade Dwight if they can find someone who is willing to take on Gilbert's or Turk's contract without the Magic having to throw Dwight in the deal. I thought of a few reasonable scenario's down below.
Below I thought i'd show you guys a couple of moves to shed the Magic's payroll for next season while keeping Dwight on the team...
Trade one: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3n9pt48
Trade two: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3uv789d
Analysis: Nelson plays his best when the game is on the line and 8 years younger then Kidd who is degrading as he gets older and is probably retiring after the year. They will be happy to get Bass back since they thought of him as a good back-up for Dirk. Q-Rich gives them an insurance policy if they can't resign Stevenson who was crucial defender for them against the Heat. Phoenix will love sharp-shooters like Redick and Anderson who play smart basketball. Especially Anderson who can potentially be a 20-10 player for this team. A fast-tempo team like the Suns could be exactly what Arenas needs to to become a better scorer again. Plus since all they give up is who we traded them last season, it's like they get Arenas, Redick and Anderson for nothing. Maybe even give them a draft pick or two.The Magic would be left with only Howard and Turk's contracts which add up to about 30 million next year, which would help leave plenty of cap space to sign Chris Paul even with a new collective bargaining agreement.
If that didn't work for you then how about a trade involving the CAVS who traded for Baron Davis last season. Unfortunatly the program wasn't working so I can't put up the link of how the trade might look. I found that the Magic could do this in a couple of different ways. One being a 3-team trade with Cavs and Sixers and another 4-team trade with the Cavs, Suns and Raptors. What's common in these trades is that Arenas goes to Cavs with Bass, Anderson and Orton because they're are currently looking for young talented big men to play with Irving and Thompson in the future. Yes Irving will be their future PG but they still have Baron Davis on the team and if you’re argument is that they don’t want Arenas and Irving on the same team.. then i’ll say it again… BARON DAVIS! So really what would be the difference? At least Arenas can play SG for them since he is 6'4 and 215lbs and he's younger. Magic can also take Varejoa's contract for them since they were so eager on trading him away last season. No issue for the Magic as long as they were able to get rid of Arenas's contract. Plus a team like the Celtics could trade us Jermaine O'Neal's expiring deal for him since they don't have Shaq anymore and they're probably losing Glen Davis in free agency. If the program eventually works then i'll post the link up for you later. Bottom lines this... If I was a GM in the first year of a rebuilding team and you asked me to take one bad contract in exchange for another and you offered me all these young promising players and draft picks in return too, then I would be dumb not to take it.
If they did decide to trade Dwight, then the Magic better bring back someone like Griffin or Lebron in return. I say if anything trade him to the Mavericks who are in championship contention right now and probably would be willing to give Dwight a shot for a year instead of those others guys who're retiring after the season and coming off their payroll. The Magic can force them to take Turk, Areanas, JJ’s or Nelson’s with him too. Dirk Nowitzki, Terry and Marion their best players are 34 after the season, plus Jason Kidd is probably retiring. Trade him there and It wouldn't be hard to convince Howard to play with 27 year old Chris Paul instead during free agency. Even a team that went to the finals won't be enough to convince a great player to stay with them. Shaq departed after a finals appearance and how about Lebron ditching Cleveland.
Worst case scenario, Dwight ditches us and we let go of all the players we got back in return but could end up with some quality draft picks (acquired in trades) and the cap won't be an issue anymore. The Magic won't have to lose money or publicity and will get back 10x the amount they were getting before if they brought Paul in with Dwight. I can't imagine why it's not at least worth thinking over if the season isn't going well. Think back in history and the Magic cut salaries for the off-season when they signed Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill. Lots of other teams have also tried to cut salaries for the off-season too. Just look at how many teams wanted to get into the crazy off-season last year.
There are also plenty of contracts out there which expire at seasons end. Like the Celtics have Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett and Jermaine O'Neal. Other teams too with Antawn Jamison, Jason Terry, Jason Kidd, Caron Butler, Andre Miller, Chris Kaman, Chauncey Billups, Vince Carter, Steve Nash, Marcus Camby, Raymond Felton, Tim Duncan,Antonio McDyess, Leandro Barbosa and Mehmet Okur to name a bunch. We can sign some of these free agents to play with Dwight and Paul.
Like i said, they don't need to trade Dwight and they shouldn't, but if they are planning to sign Paul OR Deron Williams during free agency, then getting rid of Arenas contract is a must! The league could have something to say about it but in recent years they've allowed lobsided trades to slide by. For example Pau Gasol to Lakers and recently Michael Beasley to Timberwolves for chump change. At this point its a waiting game and who knows whats going through Otis Smith's head right now.
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that would never happen
nobody is going to trade for dwight unless they know he is gonna sign an extension
hell why not just post some crazy trade like this (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3dvegdb) where dwight then resigns with us (even tho not even sterling is that much of a dummy) and then we do a sign and trade (turk/orton for paul)
it could happen RIGHT??
by INTOTHEMEATGRINDER on Jul 30, 2011 5:08 AM EDT reply actions
anything is plausible. i did say they didn't even have to trade dwight
plus there are plenty of contracts out there which expire at seasons end. Like the celtics have ray Allen and Kevin Garnett. Others too like Awtan Jamison, Jason Terry, Jason Kidd, Andre Miller, Cris Kamen, Chauncey Billups, Vince Carter, Steve Nash, Marcus Camby, Raymond Felton, Tim Duncan, McDyess, Leandro Barbosa and Mehmet Okur to name a bunch.
I would think teams like the Celtics, Blazers, Knicks, and even the Mavericks would be willing to have dwight for one year instead of those others guys coming off their payroll. Plus the Magic could force them to take turk, Areanas, JJ’s or Nelson’s contract with them.
by piratekingmatthew on Jul 30, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there any precedent whatsoever for a team trading every contract?
I don't get the whole 'pop-tart cats pooping rainbows thing,' but then, I'm old. So, there it is.
the heats enitre roster (cept mario) were free agents after the same year...
very unlikely it was just coincidence.
by piratekingmatthew on Jul 30, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
But isn't there pretty strong evidence that Pat Riley set that in motion years prior, and some evidence of collusion between the Heat players?
I just think the Heat situation was the exception, not the norm. As such, it’s probably not the best scenario on which to base a realistic trade suggestion.
IMO.
I don't get the whole 'pop-tart cats pooping rainbows thing,' but then, I'm old. So, there it is.
okay i would agree with that but whats stopping them from still pulling this off?
by piratekingmatthew on Jul 31, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
The fact that our players aren't any good and no one wants them?
We don’t even want most of our players; why would another team trade for them? It’s not happening.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Jul 31, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
WOW all this time i thought it took more then one player to get 50 wins in consecutive seasons and get to the finals over Boston but NOOOO wait you convinced me. Nelson is trash, JJ can't shoot to save his life, Bass is an idiot and so on...
It’s not your fault though… some people just refuse to see how many good quality players we have and ram on about the negative. Honestly if you put Nelson, Redick, Bass, Anderson and even Areanas out on the market, other teams will be interested. CASE CLOSED
by piratekingmatthew on Jul 31, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Before you close the case, could you name some of the teams that would be interested in Arenas?
I don't get the whole 'pop-tart cats pooping rainbows thing,' but then, I'm old. So, there it is.
Certainly since you asked so nicely...
other then the trade i posted above… i was going through the number and other teams again who could or would be willing to take arenas and i actually found someone dumb.. whoops i mean might be interested in his services. A team like the CAVS, Yes they drafted Kyrie Irving to be their future PG but they were dumb enough to trade for Baron Davis last season knowing full well they could get Irving and if you’re argument is that they don’t want Arenas and Irving on the same team.. then i’ll say it again… BARON DAVIS! So really what would be the difference right?…Of course it wouldn’t just be a straight up swap, the Magic send them Bass, Anderson and Orton because the CAVS are looking for young big men to complement Irving and Thompson (their future SF) and they they obviously don’t want Varejao anymore since they put him on the market during the trading deadline last season. I actually had this whole 4 team trade thing going on that involved the Suns and Raptors too but the link wasn’t working but if does ill post it for you so you can see clearly for yourself..
by piratekingmatthew on Jul 31, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
can also take Varejoa's contract for them which won't hurt the magic at all if they get rid of of Arenas. Who knows someone might want Varejoa from the Magic after they get him like the Celtics who're probably losing Glen Davis in free agency
by piratekingmatthew on Jul 31, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The Cavs traded for Baron Davis in order to get the Clippers' high lottery pick.
It was a great move even if that pick hadn’t turned out to be Kyrie Irving, and the fact that it did work out that way makes it an excellent move.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 1, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah you're right, they took a bad contract in order to get a promising young player
Now they can take Arena’s bad contract and get 3 promising young players. Well I guess what you see from Bass now is what you’re gonna get but he is still pretty good. Plus I worked out one of those trades so that they get Marreese Speights from the Sixers too which would give them 4 young big men. Plus we could give them our pick next year or the one after that as an extra push.
by piratekingmatthew on Aug 1, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
And as far as the 50 wins finals over Boston blah blah post you have above,
1) As we saw with Lebron’s Cleveland teams, a top 2 player in the league (which Dwight certainly is) can carry a team of nobodies to 50+ wins nearly all by himself.
2) The Finals team had Gortat, Courtney Lee, Pietrus, and the good versions of Rashard and Turkoglu. You might notice something they all have in common.
…
(not taking for granted that you know anything about basketball: they’re not on this team anymore.)
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 1, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
lol you my friend are a funny guy
1) we can conclude that 3 of the past four seasons Dwight wasn’’t even in the top 5 best players in the league and they won 50 games those seasons.
2) You forgot JJ was on the team (couldn’t expect you to get them all right). Plus as i recall Turk is on the team soooooooooo…. well i’ll leave it at that.
I think you forgot criticize me about how worthless Nelson, Redick, Bass and Anderson are…. but i guess you just couldn’t come up with anything.
by piratekingmatthew on Aug 1, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
This is seriously the dumbest one to date.
Trade Dwight to get Dwight. Unimaginably stupid.
"(Dwight) Howard averages 23 points and 14 rebounds per game and is the defensive basketball equivalent of a guy carrying a bazooka during laser tag. No one wants to play with that kid."-Matt Moore
by fwedo on Jul 30, 2011 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I always thought that freedom of speech has two components ... freedom of expression and freedom of ignoring some. How much crazier these trade suggestions are going to get before some restrictions are imposed?
Any sound mind may think of keeping some assets (for a host of reasons) while changing others. There is one simple logic for it … it is not easy to deal with many moving targets (or variables) hence it makes perfect sense to reduce the number of variables as much as possible to keep matters under control. But then who am I to preach sanity in an insane world?
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by magicfaninTN on Jul 31, 2011 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Only a numbers nerd will look at NBA players the same way they look at math.. lol
by piratekingmatthew on Jul 31, 2011 9:31 PM EDT reply actions
Really? The more you write the more you show what kind of idiot you are. Suit yourself but not on this blog.
YES YOU'RE RIGHT SIR! I'M A FREAKING GENIOUS! <- misspelled purposely ;D
by piratekingmatthew on Jul 31, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, you're wrong, and you're obnoxious about it.
So you’ve got that going for you, which is nice.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Aug 1, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
trade, you say?

NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN
by TheGiantSquid on Aug 2, 2011 8:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I miss Evan.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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