IF we must make trades now....

by Magicplan on Jun 28, 2011 12:27 PM EDT

Here are a couple trades we should look into if we are looking for immediate upgrades and wanting to make a run at the title this season.

TRADE # 1) Orlando receives: Josh Smith (11.7 million) , Marvin Williams(7.3 million)

Atlanta receives: Jameer Nelson (7.8 million) , J.J Redick (7.25 million) , Brandon Bass (4.0 million)

REASONING: OK. The secret is out that Atlanta and Josh Smith want to go their separate ways, rumor also is that Atlanta is looking to shed some salary because of the enormous amount Joe Johnson will be making. Marvin Williams hasn't really worked out the way Atlanta was hoping when they drafted him #2 overall (ahead of Chris Paul and Deron Williams) and he has 3 years left at close to 7-8 million a year range. Nelson, Bass, and Redick all solid role players, exactly what Atlanta needs. We know the majority of the touches will be going to Al Horford and Joe Johnson from here on out, so they are looking for solid role players, who will rebound, make shots, and be efficient. Also all three players, Nelson, Bass, and Redick only have this year and next year left on their contracts, so the Hawks are not committing any more years to them, and also saving a year and 8 million on Williams' contract.

TRADE # 2) Orlando receives: Andre Iguodola (12.3 million) , Andres Nocioni (6.85 million)

Philadelphia receives: Hedo Turkoglu (10.2 million) , Ryan Anderson (1.5 million) , Gortat trade exception (6.3 million) (and possibly either Daniel Orton or Future 1st round pick)

REASONING: Philadelphia, just like Atlanta with Josh Smith, seems to have run its course. I know, I know, the rumors that Philadelphia "Is not" shopping Iguodola, but I mean come on, everyone around the league has known this guy has been on the block for the past year and half. I know they take on Hedo's contract, but they also rid themselves of a pretty bad one in Nocioni. I've said this before, Hedo can still play! He is just not built anymore to carry a team late in the shot clock or at the end of games, but he will contribute great floor vision, smart decision making and shooting ability. Ryan Anderson is a steal in this for Philadelphia, at a bargain, he's a very solid player with potential to get better. They save almost 7 million in cap room with the trade exception, which is something they are looking to do. And whether or not we throw in Orton, or a 1st round pick is not that big of issue for us.

New 2011-2012 Orlando Magic Depth Chart

PG) Gilbert Arenas , Free Agent, Chris Duhon

SG) Andre Iguodola, Deandre Liggins

SF) Marvin Williams , Justin Harper, Nocioni

PF) Josh Smith , Earl Clark

C) Dwight Howard, Orton or FA

What do you guys think? Like I said, if we must make trades to improve now, these are the ones I would choose to pursue. In my opinion we'd be one hell of a defensive team.

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I don't see the appeal for Philly or Atlanta

They can get better for both players than what Orlando can offer.

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by Evan Dunlap on Jun 28, 2011 12:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Well thought out trades and the value is about right

Not sure that Noci fits in the TPE though. If he does, than that is great value for Philly.

The problem with breaking the value of a player up into smaller chunks, like say Atlanta turning Josh Smith into Nelson/Bass, is that you are obviously diluting talent. I think that your logic for why Atlanta would want to do that is sound though.

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by Eyriq the Red on Jun 28, 2011 1:06 PM EDT reply actions

It really seems that Orlando is kind of stuck

We have no trade assets apparently. This sucks.

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by BleedingBlueSince89 on Jun 28, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions

Yep, we really dont

Otis used all our best trade assest’s in 1 trade to acquire Hedo and Jason Richardson

With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother

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by Souwantmyname on Jun 28, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Philly trade wont work

But Philly could amnesty Nochioni anyways. I doubt they use it on Brand. Philly would not do that. Maybe Hawks do it. But I doubt it. Your reasoning is sound on that one though.

Roll Bass and War Ryno for me

by Mateo9399 on Jun 28, 2011 1:42 PM EDT reply actions

Swing for the fences!

Forget Marvin Williams.
Trade Nelson, Bass, Turk, and J. Richardson (sign-and-trade) for Josh Smith and Joe Johnson.
This would save Atlanta a staggering $45 million dollars in total salary. With a lineup of Neson, Richardson, Marvin Williams, Bass, and Al Horford they would still be a playoff team in the eastern conference, probably a 6-8 seed. They’re not competing for a title with their current team anyways, so if they save a ton of money and still make the playoffs, they would probably welcome that.
We would get a great defender in Smith, and someone who can isolate and score on the wing in Johnson.
Starters: C-Howard, PF-Smith, SF-Johnson, SG-Q. Richardson, PG-Duhon
Bench: C-Orton, PF-Anderson, SF-Clark(re-sign), SG-Redick, PG-Liggins.
For us its obviously about the big three of Howard, Johnson, and Smith. They will be the primary scoring options. Everyone else will just need to do their role.
In my example I’m starting Johnson at the three because he’s a little bigger/longer than Q Rich. But starting Q Rich over Redick at the two for defensive purposes.
I’m starting Duhon because Johnson is very good at the point foward role, so all that is needed from the point is defense and hitting the open jumper which Duhon can do both decent enough. He had a bad season this past year, but should come back to his averages.
Redick and Anderson are the offense for the second unit, with everyone else just needing to play solid defense.
They say Liggins has a lot of point guard experience, so he backs up Duhon.
Arenas is amnestied IF that will be possible.

by Justin85 on Jun 29, 2011 10:01 AM EDT via mobile reply actions

I like your thinking

But, ATL would probably want Anderson or Redick as part of that deal rather than Bass. ATL wouldn’t do it anyway. They’re not going to sacrifice their team and their fans’ goodwill just to shed salary. They made it to the 2nd round this postseason and made a very good showing. Mark my words, ATL wants to continue the momentum. Shedding salary is just a “would be nice” to-do item.

by jshinall on Jun 29, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions

You have a guy who was one of the worst PGs in the league last year in the starting lineup

And you have him being backed up by a rookie SG/wing? Joe Johnson would be the 2, Q the 3. You also have Earl Clark as the SF off the bench. What happened to Justin Harper?

As much as I like the idea of bringing in Josh Smith, I don’t know if it would be worth all of our depth. This is not only most likely realistic, it is still a big N-O in my opinion.

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by JeffShann3 on Jun 29, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions

It would work

what player has ever thrived in their first year under SVG’s system. It usually takes them a year to figure it out and become productive. (see Redick and Bass). Using this logic, it would seem to reason that Q Rich and Duhon will bounce back with much better seasons This year (if we re-sign Clark, look for him to improve as well).
Redick will probably play the most minutes coming off the bench. If Johnson is in front of him at the two it cuts into his playing time. By having Johnson at the three it allows Redick to keep his minutes by splitting the time with Q.
Earl Clark is long and quick enough to keep up with SF’s. He could be a good defender on the wing of we re-sign him. If not, give Harper the minutes, I’m ok with that.
Liggins played PG before he got to Kentucky. I’m sure if we needed him to play there, he could.

by Justin85 on Jun 29, 2011 1:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

You can't sign and trade a player with other players.

You have to wait until December 15th under normal rules, Maybe that would change if the season is shortened, but I doubt it. And seriously…….starting Duhon???? That is already a no for me.

Roll Bass and War Ryno for me

by Mateo9399 on Jun 29, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions

If you can’t sign-and-trade Richardson then just insert Redick. That still makes the salaries work in my example.
Duhon is the ‘type’ of PG we need.
1. A guy who doesn’t need to score. We have enough people on this team who love to shoot. He is a team player who scores in the flow of the game, instead of taking ill-advised shots.
2. Solid defender of his position. Nelson is subpar is this department. Duhon is generally known as a tough defender.
3. Good at running the pick-and-roll. This is needed to play with Dwight.
4. Can hit an open three.

by Justin85 on Jun 29, 2011 5:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

What games were you watching last year?

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by 4QB on Jun 29, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions

I didn’t say Duhon was the savior of the franchise…… Only that he is the ‘TYPE’ of PG that we need.
The four areas I pointed out are the needs for PG.

by Justin85 on Jun 29, 2011 7:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions