Orlando Magic Draft Grades: Justin Harper, DeAndre Liggins Are Solid Pickups
The 2011 NBA Draft came and went without the Orlando Magic making a major trade, but they nonetheless managed to add Richmond forward Justin Harper (via a trade with the Cleveland Cavaliers) and Kentucky swingman DeAndre Liggins (via the 53rd overall pick). With a good showing in training camp, the two players can work their respective ways onto the Magic's roster, which currently stands at 10 players.
As it turns out, both players theoretically have skills that make them worth taking a closer look at in training camp and the preseason. And, with second-round picks, most teams just want a closer look at players that interested them. Because second-round picks don't have guaranteed contracts--as opposed to first-round picks, whose salaries are guaranteed for two years, with team options for the third and fourth years--there's no financial penalty for drafting a bum. My opinion is that if the Magic, or any team, finds a solid 11th man in the second round, it has succeeded.
Of the two, Harper is the most interesting, both for what he can offer as well as what Orlando gave up to get him. The Magic sent second-round picks from 2013 and 2014, according to Otis Smith, the team's President of Basketball Operations, to the Cavaliers for Harper's draft rights. Smith said Harper ranked in the mid-20s on his draft board and he was surprised to see him available at no. 32.
It's easy to see why Orlando was so high on Harper. He can play both forward positions, for one, which is a trait Smith and coach Stan Van Gundy admire. But he is, in particular, a prolific three-point shooter, shooting 44.8 percent on 4.6 threes per game as a senior. In the Van Gundy era, Orlando has attempted 601 more threes than any other team in the league, so its taste for ranged shooters is no secret. The fact that Harper's jump shots are almost exclusively threes--only 20.9 percent of his jumpers were two-point attempts, according to Synergy Sports Technology--also bodes well for him, as the Magic in general prefer to take threes to two-point jumpers.
But Harper is more than simply a stand-still shooter. Synergy data show he's effective posting up, cutting to the basket, and in transition. Essentially, he proved adept at every scoring task Richmond asked of him, which his elite standing as a scorer reflects: he scored 1.138 points per possession as a senior, which puts him in the 97th percentile of all collegians. Further, he scored on more than half of his plays.
He's not a perfect player: indeed, at the NBA level, it may be more accurate to say he can't play either forward position, as he lacks the athleticism to check most threes and the strength to defend most fours. But for what he has the potential to do at the offensive end, he's worth checking out anyway.
| Pick Grade: B+ |
|---|
Liggins might be less conventional than even Harper, and perhaps more compelling, depending on your preferences. Smith said he selected Liggins because he was the best player available when Orlando was on the clock, and in the 53rd-pick range, he believes teams should simply choose the highest player on their draft boards.
Liggins does Harper one better, insofar as he can play three positions. A point guard coming out of high school, the 6-foot-6 Liggins didn't quite develop the playmaking game he needed to play point guard full time at Kentucky. He then transitioned from a purely offensive role--point guard is inherently an offensive position--to a defensive one, as Billy Gillispie and John Calipari deployed him as a go-to perimeter defender, often tasked with defending the opposing team's best wing scorer.
Defense, particularly on the wing, is something Orlando lacks. So too is athleticism. Harper's stock-in-trade aligns with the Magic's weaknesses, so there are certainly worse players they could have selected here. And though he's a middling offensive player overall, averaging only 8.6 points in 31.6 minutes on 42.4 percent shooting last season, he's at least proven to be a reliable three-point shooter off the catch. Liggins shot 34-of-78 (43.6 percent) on catch-and-shoot treys last season.
Smith mentioned Liggins' defense and situational three-point marksmanship as reasons he liked him, but also mentioned Liggins' intangibles, noting he played well when called upon in key situations last season. He also praised Liggins' toughness, specifically referencing Liggins' upbringing in Chicago. Liggins, when addressing the media by telephone, agreed with Smith's assessment and compared himself to Tony Allen, another Chicago native who's earned his keep as a nightmarish defender despite dubious offensive skill.
I believe Liggins projects as a better prospect than Stanley Robinson, Orlando's second-round pick last year, simply because he can hit from the outside off the catch (something Robinson, a woeful shooter, couldn't do) and because he can check point guards as well as both wing positions. The Magic could use that sort of situational versatility, and with enough work he could carve out a career not unlike Quinton Ross', only with the benefit of a three-point shot. Ross has played for five teams in seven seasons, but he's lasted this long despite having few offensive skills and never having been drafted.
Perhaps David Lighty or Scotty Hopson, more offensively inclined shooting guards who were still on the board, have more upside than Liggins. But one has to be impressed with Liggins' defense, or at least intrigued by what he can do at the NBA level, so I don't take issue with passing on either playerr.
| Pick Grade: B |
|---|
On the whole, Harper has far more potential than Liggins, and Orlando's willingness to spend two future second-rounders on him attests to its genuine interest in his skill-set. The important thing here is that both players can address some of the Magic's weaknesses, and Orlando didn't have to "reach" for either. Smith's draft record in Orlando is spotty--with the selection of Courtney Lee in 2009 a notable exception--but he appears to have done well for his team this year.
| Overall Draft Grade: B+ |
|---|
38 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Was never very impressed with Liggins
but it was the 53rd pick… so.. whatever…
Harper is a more intriguing pick. It suggest to me that either Bass or Anderson might be traded. He could carve out a backup role at the 4 letting us get some value elsewhere out of either Bass or Anderson. Interesting trade and pick.
If we pick up either guy and get a few solid minutes from them in the future
I’ll be happy. Good luck to our possible new Magic Men!
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
I actually like both picks.
Think they both make the team. I think should get down here ASAFP, and start working with the other guys. Harper could use muscle and we see if you have a good work ethic in Orlando you can get ripped. I still hope they keep Clark. Young and can guard the three and four.
Read the scouting report on Harper and basically he has the exact same pros and cons of Rashard. Which is fine with me. I also believe Chad Ford had him as a first rounder, so you get good value there. I’m 97% sure he sticks with the team. I feel Bass will be trade. Eric Maynor????
Liggins will find a home somewhere. Is a lockdown defender who can shoot 3’s. Also don’t think he will be caught up in the moment because every game at Kentucky is huge. Can guard all wing positions is HUGE. You can employ Liggins, Redick, Turk at the same time and get offense, defense, and offensive creating. Also, to me Liggins has to make the roster because we only have JJ. Q is a 3 and I think Gil stays at the 1. So I honestly believe he will be here.
All in all a pretty solid draft for Otis. No reaching, good value for Harper, and hopefully you just drafted the next Tony Allen. Could have been worst, could have been better but I’m satisfied with draft night and the infamous Otis Smith.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
I like the trades.. but I'm not expecting much from them.
Even if they do make the opening night roster. With Orton coming back – I don’t think a legit playoff team should have two or three rookies on its bench (by virtue of not having played an NBA game, Orton is a rookie).
I reckon the D-League will be used by the Magic a lot more this season.
Finally, if we include all of the players from last season, and the two draft picks – the Magic stand to have 15 players in their roster, and they’d want to trim salary by a bit so I don’t think the Magic will have 15 players by the beginning of the season (whenever that’ll be). . I suppose Otis will make moves to get a real center, someone with a bit more experience than Orton.
J Rich and Clark are both unrestricted free agents
So those guys are questionable. Still think both make the team. There is just a glaring need for young cheap players who have defined roles on this team.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Harper yes, Liggins ehh
Watching highlight tapes can’t be taken too seriously, but watching Harper all i saw was a young Rashard Lewis. Better than the one the Magic signed. Post-ups, spot up 3s; if he works hard he could be Otis’ greatest draft pick.
Liggins seems OK but if he can play D and shoot the 3, then I’m all in for that. But at 53, there isn’t much left so I hope Smith took the best guy left. The team just seemed so “u-involved” in the whole draft process but hopefully at least Harper turns into a player.
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
agree with ya here.
Hopefully the Magic actually ask this Rashard Lewis to post up. Guys let us not be delusional, Harper had first round talent by every scouting service. Will he be Lewis? You never know. Lewis was spurned by the fact that he was not taken in the first round after being invited to New York. Hopefully this kid learns team defense and becomes the underrated defender Lewis was. Don’t forget Lewis handed Bosh his lunch years ago in the playoffs. Plus this just provides some depth. like both pickups. Hopefully lockout won’t be disastrous, though I doubt it.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Yeah
and a plus for Harper is that he is already a senior at 22; Lewis was a high school player coming in so it took a a few more seasons to get used to the game.
I just think Harper’s learning curve won’t be as steep as younger players.
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
Exactly.
Kind of surprised that Otis had a great solid draft with only second round picks. Hey they get to look at two players who fit the team identity and two needs. If they work out they work out. If they don’t, they were second round picks. Solid draft for Otis.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
I like Harper
But Liggins is not a NBA caliber player. David Lighty was a better option for a defensive player.
Isaiah Thomas would be a good pick also at #53.
Justin Harper is legit
I like his game, and size. He led Richmond to the sweet 16, I like to think of him as a Courtney Lee type player. He is an excellent Mid-Major player who has the ability to play in the NBA, but just wasn’t highly recruited out of high school. As for Liggins, I’m all for seeing what he can bring in training camp. 6’6 is good size for a guard.
Ha!
I hear what you’re saying — and agree — but this just gave me spine-shivering flashbacks to Doc talking about Jeryl Sasser:
6’6 is good size for a guard.
jeryl sasser = worst magic draft pick ever
I do remember Doc saying that about him though.
by MasterofMagic on Jun 24, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Fran wants a word...
Smite Smith, Kill Gil, Banish Bass, Dump Duhon, and Trump Turk. Did I leave out anyone?
LOL
I think that it some what funny that while the Orlando Magic are in need of a big man and yet they did not make the deal with The Bobcats for Jeremy Tyler. While i think he is raw and is out of shape i would think that it would be worth cash considerations. i believe that in two years with Orlando’s superior training staff and Dwight as a mentor he could have been a Gortat equivalent and if Dwight left a decent center to fill in the void.
I like the kid we traded for
We need scoring and He could help I hope can play both forward positions and defense. But The Magic needed a big trade but also nobody wants our trash.I say Fire Otis right now
Aftet he makes decent picks?
And he couldn’t flip Jameer Nelson into a stud? If is resigns he resigns, but I doubt he gets fired if he hasn’t already.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Great idea, let's fire a guy after he did something right.
If it's lonely at the top, I'd rather be alone
cause the closest people to ya, the ones who gonna do you wrong
Agreed
Also Orton only needs to play like 15 minutes a game. And SVG is going to have to be patient with that. Anyways I like Orton. Wouldn’t have minded having Tyler, but o don’t see how they could have traded for him.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Orton is a better prospect than Tyler
We have a first round prospect. It wouldn’t make sense to trade for a second round prospect without trying Orton.
I Disagree
He is significantly bigger and more athletic and in my opion he has a whole lot more potential. For a big that is around 20% body fat. With what agility and leaping ability he has. So i assume that the same training staff that improved Ryan Anderson and Earl Clark’s pysical build so quickly and so effectively. That in 1 season he will be in shape and will be a solid defensive player at the very least under the tutelage of stand van gundy and dwight.
Technically, New Jersey's training staff improved R.A. and Earl Clark was with Phoenix's (mythical) training staff.
If it's lonely at the top, I'd rather be alone
cause the closest people to ya, the ones who gonna do you wrong
I think he means "improved" /after/ they arrived in Orlando.
"...sometimes your eyes lie to you..." ~SVG | I'm on Twitter
by magicfaninTN on Jun 25, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Harper might make an NBA rotation for 2 or 3 seasons
Liggins is a pre-season cut.
No serious play for either of them, unless the Magic are blowing up and looking at cheap rookies. Harper will probably stick around or be trade bait, but Liggins is destined for Europe or the D-League.
Nothing to see here.
R.I.P. Optimism
If it's lonely at the top, I'd rather be alone
cause the closest people to ya, the ones who gonna do you wrong
by 4QB on Jun 25, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Jun 29, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Kelly Dwyer of Ball Don't Lie gave the Magic a "B" for this draft
…and I agree with the people who think this was a good draft for the Magic.
Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago White Sox... 2005 World Series Champions
Orlando Magic... 1995 and 2009 Eastern Conference Champions
by Mike from Illinois on Jun 26, 2011 2:08 AM EDT reply actions
otis's best draft
harper 6’10 225 is a SF. not big enuff for PF. i think he could start at SF but i would really bring in a SF FA to compete with him. i wouldnt give him the starting roll without competition. maybe al thornton 6’8 235. liggins 6’6 210, dont think he is starter yet but with some good coaching could be a quality SG. would also bring in another SG to compete, whether its thru a trade or FA. lots of people seem to like iggy amd i do to. i also like shannon brown who play either PG or SG and is super fast. really need a big play PF. anderson is backup at best. he is off the bench player. me personally like to see a trade involving bargnani and bring in glen davis. another C to backup D12.
i don't think anybody is expecting either guy to be a starter
by ManBearPig21 on Jun 30, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually think Harper will be starting sooner than you think
He fits Orlando like Mickey Mouse at Disney.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
So you're saying that when he appears live he's a little creepy and scares kids?
I don't get the whole 'pop-tart cats pooping rainbows thing,' but then, I'm old. So, there it is.

by 













