The Reason Dwight Backed Gilbert
Listen, I'll be the first to admit, I wasn't the biggest supporter of Gilbert Arenas when we were struggling...but in light of some events that occured this morning, I realized that there is something behind Dwight's comments about SVG not using Gilbert the right way.
What could be the reason for a player being able to score 20 pts coming off the bench some games and others just completely losing his self-esteem and stinking it up. You can't say he's washed up when he is producing those 20 off the bench in limited minutes, bottom line he wasn't consistent bc his minutes weren't consistent and he lost his confidence. From what I was told by a source on the Orlando roster, he tore it up in practice, but because he didn't fit in SVG's offense, he didnt get his time.
Did we not win 9 in a row in the beginning of all those trades? And wasn't Gil a pretty big part of that getting a normal amount of minutes and producing?...The chatter about him getting into the starting lineup got a little too loud and then Stan had to keep him on the bench because of his loyalty to Jameer. Bottom line, Stan didn't know how to adjust to what was best for the team. I mean look at Rick Carlisle, the guy adjusts his starting lineup in the 4th game of the Finals and then what? His team goes from down 2-1 to winning 4-2. That's how a coach is supposed to adjust.
Orlando has been dominat the past 4 years, but you want to tell me that's all because of Stan or is that a coincidence that Dwight just happened to be the best Center in the NBA during that time also? Tell me, what other players has Stan developed on Defense and made lock down defenders, aside from Dwight who could've had Mike D'antoni coach him and still be defensive player of the year. Stan is not adapting nor developing his players. He does his homework on teams and has good defensive schemes but aside from Dwight lets be real, who is a good defender on our team that wasn't one before he arrived to Orlando?
Gilbert destroyed the league for 4 straight years for a reason, because he is that good. Granted he might've lost a step but so has Kobe, does that mean he isn't good anymore and can't score 20 on a regular basis? We need to learn how to utilize the talent we have, and Stan didn't do that. When he experimented during that 9 game winning streak, Gil showed what he could do, and thats why Otis was saying he could be in the starting lineup. Now you have Otis, Dwight, and most of the locker room vouching for Gil's playing time...there is a reason behind all that. Those are the guys in there everyday in the practice room seeing what's going on.
I rather have Lawrence Frank in there than Stan if it meant using our players to their fullest. I agree with Defense winning championships, but when you have the talent, and still don't get it done, and then finally put a guy in in a playoff series we lose and he scores 20...there has to be a wake up call that you messed up and didn't play the guys correctly.
We need to get rid of Jameer, Hedo, and Bass and see what that can package us. Bottom line, Stan doesn't have this locker room as much as we thought. Call me crazy but you have to agree there has to be more than "inconsistency" when Gil comes off our bench, scores 20, and then goes back to getting 12 mins a game and puts up 5 pts...If you can score 20 you can score 20...the rest is just being able to have the opportunity. If he gets his Defense together and limits the turnovers which I feel would happen naturally with him playing more, he would be a viable asset to this team.
Don't believe me? Just as Dwight what he thinks, as you all already know. After the third and 4th person start saying something, there might be a little truth to it....
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I mean seriously...Gilbert in Washington this year was scoring 17 and 5 assists...
with 40% shooting and that awful team….Jameer on this team had 13.5 and 6 assists on 44% shooting…you can’t tell me Gilbert can’t produce 13.5 and 6 given 30 minutes a game that Jameer got….also Gil gets to the line way more…I just don’t see how he wouldnt produce.
The problem with this offense is SVG wants scoring production out of all 5 of his players and it takes shots away from guys like Dwight and Jameer last season.
You have to have atleast 2 guys on the starting 5 that simply just do the dirty work , play great Dand hit open three’s rather than trying to create their own shot and forcing bad ones.
If you had Gil, Dwight, Iggy, Clark and then Quentin…you have 2 guys whose main focus is defense, Dwight who is just a freak on Defense but obviously will score for you as will Gil and Iggy who doesn’t need 15 shots but can play great all around and can score if asked to.
It’s about having the write balance, and clearly we didnt have that.
overlooking
the problem really is that the coach doesnt have players that listen its gilbert want to do what he wants then it a couple of players following behind now why is it stans fought because he want them to listen but he doesnt coach individual basketball he plays team ball but the buying in is the problem and most the players we have dont wanna play team ball they play individual ball which is do what they want and that the real problem which is causing the losing of the locker and trading players that buy in i still think either way it a what we got to lose situation it already clear that this team going to be going in transition with the management and coaching and players so it not nothing new
i hear you, but you can pass it around until your blue in the face, it doesn't mean there will always be an open shot...
Chicago plays team ball but still relies on Rose to break it down and dish…Gil is actually the only person we had that can take it to the hoop and draw a foul or dish when he wants…Jameer was able to do it here and there but not enough. We can play team ball, but you need to have a mix of when you give it to your top guys to take over and when you start getting others involved. Stan is trying to have everyone score 12-15 a game and it doesnt work like that. You have to have a few in the 20’s and then the rest role guys who stand out on Defense and rebound.
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I literally understood nothing you said. Spelling, commas, and periods are your friends.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
by Mateo9399 on Jun 22, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
"it not nothing new"
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"(Dwight) Howard averages 23 points and 14 rebounds per game and is the defensive basketball equivalent of a guy carrying a bazooka during laser tag. No one wants to play with that kid."-Matt Moore
I agree with most of what you said.
Look at it this way, Stan has now taken 3 versitile scorers—J-Rich, VC, and Gil—and turned them all into essentially jump shooters, who are hesitant to drive to the basket. You might say that it’s not Stan, it’s the players. This argument might hold up if it was just VC or just Gil, but that it’s happened 3 times seems like it’s a failing of the system. It’s been said (even by Stan) that we need a player that can break-down a defense and get their own shot, but when your offense isn’t built that way, and you keep players on a short leash. . .
"If we’re scheduled to play tonight, we’re scheduled to win tonight." -Vince Carter
by TheOtherWhiteMeat on Jun 22, 2011 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
exactly...his offense does not work...and now he is stuck with a player that has that skill set
and can’t get rid of him like he did VC and J-Rich and needs to adjust because that player can help this team and is getting paid a boatload of money to do so
What about usage rates?
Someone mentioned Gil’s usage rate in another comment thread that I believe is particularly applicable here. In Washington, Gil got 26% usage and experienced moderate success post-surgery. Dwight gets 27% usage here in Orlando. Do we really want 53% of our possessions ending with only 2 players? That’s a Miami strategy, but they have 2 legitimate superstars and 1 half-superstar.
High usage is Gil’s style of play, period. I suppose we’ll have to wait for training camp results, but I don’t believe Gil is good enough to justify such a high usage rate in Orlando. Too many other guys (JJ, Ryan, and Jameer specifically) deserve the non-Dwight usage more than Gil does.
Jameer
I don’t think Jameer deserves any more than what he has. He definitely hasn’t proven he should. He’s at best a third option, a good third option, but not a second. On Miami he would be amazing.
Dwight Howard - "My Gosh, what is that smell?"
Otis Smith - "That's the smell of success my man."
Dwight Howard - "No, it smells like a used Arenas... filled with... Turkoglu..."
Otis Smith - "You know, success smells like that to some people." (turns and walks toward a crowd of fans)
Fan#1 - (Disgusted) "What is that? Smells like a turd covered in burnt hair..."
Otis Smith - (Tries to act casual and walk away) "Woah, what's that smell?"
that motto hasn't won us a championship...maybe its time to mix things up a bit
Stan doesn’t let half his players play they way that best fits their skills and abilities…either we need an offensive assistant or a new coach that sees both sides of the court with an open mind.
Do people forget we were 3 wins from a title and in the ECF last season?
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
You mean the season before last. It's kind of cliche...
but “always a bridesmaid, never a bride” is become the Magic’s motto.
"If we’re scheduled to play tonight, we’re scheduled to win tonight." -Vince Carter
by TheOtherWhiteMeat on Jun 22, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I would rather be a bridesmaid
Than a guest. We could be the Clips, Bobcats, Nets, Wizards, etc of teams who seem to never have a hope for winning. Seriously do I want to win a title? HELL YES!! I think we do almost anything possible to get it, but I think we like being in the hunt instead of being the Warriors who had one really good season in the last 20 plus years that anyone can remember.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
We are not a Clips, Bobcats, Nets, or Wizards because of Dwight
Not because of SVG. Not saying SVG isn’t impactful or an unimportant variable, but certainly a variable that would make up the difference between the teams you mentioned and Orlando. That variable is Dwight.
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
by Eyriq the Red on Jun 24, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
*but certainly not a variable*
Screw my english
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
by Eyriq the Red on Jun 24, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Yet we went to the Finals before without Dwight.
No we are not those teams, because despite what people say we have good ownership. We are a desirable location for free agents.No state income tax. Now we have a brand new arena. The Orlando Magic will be the Orlando Magic with or without Dwight Howard. They will suck, but they bounce back quick.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Gil can't even get any lift on a layup
This is all fantasy land.
by aakks on Jun 22, 2011 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Did u see that game we played when Gil scorched us..
He had at least 25pts in that game, and he could’ve won that game if he didn’t miss that layup.
Gil needs to be let off the leash if he isn’t in the starting lineup, if he was used right he could’ve been 6th man off the year.
I’vd learned it was all about confidence, Gil was worried about getting taken out of the game when he missed a shot, and was afraid that his knee wasn’t going to work with him. But I’ve watched him workout everyday, and he’s promising Dwight that he’d have an awesome season. I think other than Dwight, Gil cares about this team, and winning a championship.
I'm Mr.Magic
If you, or Dwight, believe a word Gil says
I have a bridge to sell you.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 24, 2011 6:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Can't imagine how tough of a sell that will be.
Cock my 40 glock and my partna just bought a replica
Now Asians sayin they don’t keep no cash in they register
We run from red & blue lights to get that green
But whoever got that white is winnin like Charlie Sheen
If you want to beat an NBA player in a game of one-on-one...
just play Gilbert Arenas.
by GameManager on Jun 23, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
you don't know what your talking about...
you don’t lead the league in scoring because your some slouch…i agree his injury hurt him but he’s still def capable of dropping 20 a game, maybe not 30 like he used to but people have come back from those injuries and played back to their normal level like Amare. He needs the right system and the right coach to allow him to play to the best of his ability.
the Amare reference is crazy talk
Dwight Howard - "My Gosh, what is that smell?"
Otis Smith - "That's the smell of success my man."
Dwight Howard - "No, it smells like a used Arenas... filled with... Turkoglu..."
Otis Smith - "You know, success smells like that to some people." (turns and walks toward a crowd of fans)
Fan#1 - (Disgusted) "What is that? Smells like a turd covered in burnt hair..."
Otis Smith - (Tries to act casual and walk away) "Woah, what's that smell?"
and why is that? they both had the same injury, he was able to get back to his pre injury form...
Arenas is still only 28…we are talking about trading for a 35 year old Andre miller…Arenas, with the right training and motivation, can get back to where he was…the reason we are look for Miller instead of Jameer is because we need a pass first point guard instead of one trying to score
Amare didn't take so long to recover
and he had the Phoenix Training Staff.
Dwight Howard - "My Gosh, what is that smell?"
Otis Smith - "That's the smell of success my man."
Dwight Howard - "No, it smells like a used Arenas... filled with... Turkoglu..."
Otis Smith - "You know, success smells like that to some people." (turns and walks toward a crowd of fans)
Fan#1 - (Disgusted) "What is that? Smells like a turd covered in burnt hair..."
Otis Smith - (Tries to act casual and walk away) "Woah, what's that smell?"
So, wait, hold up, you're argument for bringing in Miller is because the Magic need "a pass first point guard"
buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut
you’re arguing for Gil to take up more possessions…the ultimate non-passing PG. The one you want scoring 20+ a game. Who, suddenly is the freak athlete equivalent of Amare Stoudemire. The player who has a vertical I’m sure is close to 20inches right now…
Cocoa Puffs.
"(Dwight) Howard averages 23 points and 14 rebounds per game and is the defensive basketball equivalent of a guy carrying a bazooka during laser tag. No one wants to play with that kid."-Matt Moore
Oh, really?
The same Gil who makes no attempt to play defense, is a mediocre jump-shooter and takes some of the most ill-advised shots I’ve ever seen, fails as a passer, and is no longer good at what he used to be good at? That Gil? If an average Joe can beat Devin Harris in a game of 1-on-1, then I can’t imagine what he can do to Gil.
"who is a good defender on our team that wasn't one before he arrived to Orlando?"
J. J. is a good defender. Bass and Anderson’s D has improved. ’Shard played his best defense in an Orlando uniform.
And how much roster turnover has occurred on this squad? Yah, exactly.
"(Dwight) Howard averages 23 points and 14 rebounds per game and is the defensive basketball equivalent of a guy carrying a bazooka during laser tag. No one wants to play with that kid."-Matt Moore
What about those games where Gil couldn't get enough lift to do a freakin' lay up ?
Was that Stan’s fault too or I was the only one to watch those ? Was that part of “not using him right” ? How about the TOs and the soft defense ? In that 9 game wining streak Hedo looked like a stud, was Stan’s fault that he looked like crap for pretty much the rest of the season + playoffs ? Yeah Gil had a couple of good games and maybe some OK ones but I still trust Stan way more than him.
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
My eyes
Gil’s teammates are hardly going to go “lol Gil’s absolute garbage” to random people in the street, are they?
Nobody on the team is going to give Gil an honest assessment to the public while they still might have to play with him next season. Think about it.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 24, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
oh so its complete BS that multiple players have said
that when in practice he’s easily the second best player on the team??? Granted its practice but practice is the only place where a guy like him can play with confidence and not worry about getting benched. He’s still competing against our starters and according to them, he was killing it. With the right screnario i garuntee he’s an all star again.
You're deluded
He’s barely an NBA player any more, let alone an all star. I don’t care if he’s dunking from the half way line in practice, the guy can’t shoot.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 25, 2011 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Can you please cite the reference where our starters said that Gilbert was killing it in practice?
Beyond any Dwight comments-thanks.
I don't get the whole 'pop-tart cats pooping rainbows thing,' but then, I'm old. So, there it is.
I can promise that i have spoken to 2 magic players and both have said the same thing...
can’t say their names but it was on two separate occasions and i would think they would know better than any one of us…
In person or online?
Around others or just a one-on-one convo? What were the circumstances of the meeting?
Never been afraid to say what's on my mind at any given time of day. Renegade.
Evan: "David Polega. Banned."
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http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
I'm sure you can see why it is hard to take these "proofs" as you are presenting them.
I don't get the whole 'pop-tart cats pooping rainbows thing,' but then, I'm old. So, there it is.
im not going to call out who i spoke to just for the sake of the forum...
but what i can say is there is a lot that goes on that we, the average fan, would never know or think of. and i’m sure there is so much more that i dont know considering i had a 5 minute convo.

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