NBA Playoff Risers And Sinkers: Charting Who Tanked Worse Than LeBron James - SBNation.com
SB Nation's Tom Ziller lists Orlando Magic forward Ryan Anderson among the NBA's biggest playoff "sinkers," or players whose PERs dipped drastically from their regular-season levels in the postseason.
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I believe I've just flipped the REP96ST signal
by Evan Dunlap on Jun 15, 2011 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
It's only a matter of time
Orlando Magic. Oregon Ducks. Seattle Mariners. Jacksonville Jaguars.
I'm just getting the popcorn ready for the fireworks.
But yeah… Ryan produced woefully bad. You’d think that’s something to do with bad play, and having to play more minutes, removing his efficiency tag. Putting Horford in the PF position has been detrimental to both of our PFs, as Al is just a beast. He’d just shoot over Bass and drive past Ryan.
btw, just pre-emptying my REP96ST rebuttal.
Bass isn’t on this list because his PER wasn’t very high to begin with. You can’t fall badly unless you climb high.
Hortford wasn't that big of an offensive factor against the Magic in the playoffs
He averaged 12 points and shot 40%. Ryan problem was on the offensive side of the floor.
His playoff performance was a real letdown
I had high hopes because he ended the regular season strongly. I thought it would carry over, but it most definitely did not.
The biggest sinker was Orlando's fans confidence
I also find this to be interesting. During the regular season our top three MPG guys were Dwight (37.6), JRich (34.9), Hedo (34.1); during the playoffs Dwight (43.0), Nelson (36.0), Hedo (34.8).
JRich failing to have a major impact coupled with JJ’s recovery and Arenas getting buried may be the biggest reason we lost like we did.
I really do wonder is simple continuity is all this team needs to get back to contending.
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
Perhaps man, perhaps.
The beginning of last season, that seemed like that case. VC was gonna more suited to his role, Rashard was finally getting more SF minutes, Bass had a whole year under the SVG system, etc. etc. Look what happened there.
Though I think our defensive frailties aren’t going to go back – to misquote you, they’ll be just simply continuing. A back court of Jameer, JRich, Arenas, JJ and Duhon doesn’t inspire confidence defensively.
We did get torched by Hawk's PG's
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
by Eyriq the Red on Jun 16, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
In the playoffs, you play better teams than over the course of the whole regular season, which is the point.
In the playoffs, Dwight had to play 5+ more minutes per game because the Magic no longer could get away the lack of a backup C. Nelson had to be relied upon more because J-Rich was too busy getting barbequed on defense, while not providing nearly enough offense to make up for his deficiencies. J-Rich getting himself suspended also didn’t help his cause. Meanwhile, Nelson theoretically should be one of the more athletic drivers on this team, but he was unwilling to do it. But Jason Richardson hadn’t done it all season, Arenas is permanently ruined physically, and there’s literally no one else athletic on the team. Hedo essentially played the same as he did in the regular season: inconsistently. It just happened that in the playoffs his pendulum had swung to the bad end of the spectrum instead of the mediocre end.
The team’s construction is fundamentally flawed. It doesn’t need more continuity; it needs better players.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Jun 16, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say we need better production, not better players
JRich in ‘10 was the Sun’s #3 guy, on a team that advanced to the WCF
Hedo in ‘09 was our #3 guy on a team that advanced to the Finals
Arenas through ’05-’07 was a top 10 guy
These guys are 30, 31, and 29 respectively. All talented, just need to fit together
Now, the construction point may be valid. We lack a perimeter defender and a backup center. Neither of those pieces are core pieces however, but instead $2-3 million dollar pieces.
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
by Eyriq the Red on Jun 16, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Players age much quicker than fans usually want to admit.
2007 will have been 5 years ago by next season. Allen Iverson was still an All-Star for Denver, but no one is trying to argue he’s still a useful player now, and he didn’t have the kind of destructive knee operations that Arenas has had.
Jason Richardson was a #3 option on a team with Steve Nash. He never did anything truly of note except for the 2010 playoffs, which is so obviously an outlier that the word outlier was created exactly for that kind of instance.
Just take one look at Hedo at tell me, with a straight face, that he’s anywhere near the kind of player that he used to be. He’s past his expiration date. It’s not his fault, and it’s why he was so desperate to get paid when he could, but that’s simply just something that happens to every single person in the world, and it’s not reversible.
The team does lack a perimeter defender and a backup center, but more crucially, it lacks dynamic perimeter scoring. That is the sort of thing that has become the most valued of all across the league – it’s why LeBron and D-Wade and Kobe and Paul Pierce and on and on and on get paid the big bucks – and there is simply no one on this team that can be realistically counted on to provide it. Turk is too old and slow to do it, Arenas is too injured to do it, and Richardson has never really done it.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Jun 16, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Arenas did not have destructive injuries
Damage to the knee’s cartilage is easily repaired and Gil’s surgery’s have all been successful and not all related to the same issue to differing complications. He does not have arthritis and his cartilage is still functional. Like SVG alluded to, Arenas simply needs a different offseason training regiment.
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
by Eyriq the Red on Jun 17, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, now you're just making stuff up.
Arenas did not have destructive injuries
Between April 4, 2007, and September 17, 2008, Arenas had three separate surgeries on his left knee. The first two were to repair torn menisci, and the third was to “remove lingering debris, which has caused continual pain and discomfort”. Individually, these are probably not career-ending. Cumulatively, it is a different story.
He does not have arthritis and his cartilage is still functional.
Gilbert Arenas has arthritis, according to GILBERT ARENAS. “Anybody who has arthritis says, ‘I know when it’s raining’. Well, when we’re flying over cold cities, I can feel it.” More specifically, Arenas suffers from osteoarthritis, which results from the breakdown of cartilage. By definition, his cartilage is not still functional.
Gil’s surgery’s … [are] not all related to the same issue to differing complications
As you see, all of his surgeries do in fact result from the meniscus tears (the menusci are specific pieces of cartilage in the knee). Cartilage damage is scary stuff. I’m sure you’ve heard of microfracture surgery; the whole reason athletes undergo this risky procedure is a desperate attempt to fix cartilage damage. Cartilage injuries can absolutely be career enders – look at Brandon Roy.
Gil’s surgery’s have all been successful
What makes you say that? The fact that his cartilage absolutely is ruined? The fact that he definitely has arthritis? The fact that he’s played absolutely awfully since he returned from the surgeries? And then there’s the empirical evidence. Just look at him try for a simple layup, and you immediately see a player that is completely robbed of both explosion and lift. No explosion and lift? That’s not what you’d expect from a 29-year-old player. But it certainly is something you’d expect from a player with knees that are old enough in basketball and injury years to have their own hip replacement procedures.
Gilbert Arenas has absolutely had destructive injuries, has arthritis and cartilage damage, clearly has no explosion and lift, and all of this is permanent. He’s done, drained, spent, used up, and finished as a productive basketball player. Anyone who thinks otherwise is insane, wrong, and Otis Smith.
Q.E.D.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Jun 17, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Great post
The left knee has had two surgeries on different meniscus. Obviously it all works as a joint system and injury to one area effects the rest. The Wizards gave him the huge contract after he had undergone both meniscus surgeries. That is why I said they were not destructive injuries and that the surgeries had been successful. Cleaning out the knee, the third surgery, was seen as part of the rehab process and isn’t unusual.
The knee and meniscus are deemed functional, hence the long-term contract. No further complications have occurred, and I’m not counting the 3rd surgery as the clean out was deemed to have speed up recovery and not postpone his ultimate return.
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
by Eyriq the Red on Jun 17, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
So you say they are not destructive surgeries and that the surgeries were succesful
because the Wizards gave him a huge contract?
Doesn’t that seem like slightly odd logic?
I don't get the whole 'pop-tart cats pooping rainbows thing,' but then, I'm old. So, there it is.











