Possible *Dwight* Trade
by piratekingmatthew on May 7, 2011 11:16 PM EDT
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If the Magic were to trade Dwight Howard in fear of him leaving the team for nothing, then what value can they actually get for him? Consider first that if they did trade Dwight, then it would most likely be to a Western conference team to make it less likely to deal with him on opposing teams in the playoffs. Also the team they trade him to would have to be a title contending team the following season because otherwise that team too would fear Dwight would leave them in the offseason.
Personally I've gone through many trade scenarios on ESPN's trade machine and the best one that I found that would work for both teams is this scenario right here between the Magic and the Thunder...
Magic get: Russell Westbrook, Serge Ibaka, Kendrick Perkins, Thabo Sefolosha, Nate Robinson, Cole Aldrich, Royal Ivey, First round pick
The reason this would work so well for the Magic is because Westbrook is becoming one of the league' best point guards. Ibaka is a top shot blocker in the NBA and has shown potential in his offensive game during the playoffs, plus he helps on rebounds. Personally I've always felt that Perkin's talent served better in a back up role, but he certainly is a solid starting center. Sefolosha is a great perimeter defender, something the Magic were missing during the playoffs. All four players are young athletes and can help the Magic win down the road. If anything they would become great building blocks for a team that traded away their best player. At this point we can say that Aldrich is a project like Orton. Nate and Ivey just made the trade work in terms of cap space, but i'd imagine the Magic would just let them go or trade them to another team. Also i'd assume the Magic would demand picks in the deal too.
New Lineup...( this team most likely wont win in the playoffs, but they can certainly rebuild now)
PG: Westbrook / Arenas / Duhon
SG: Redick / Sefolosha
SF: Turk / Quetin
PF: Ibaka / Anderson
C: Perkins / Aldrich / Orton
Thunder get: Dwight Howard, Jameer Nelson, Brandon Bass
For the Thunder this trade would make them favorites in the West if not overall. Dwight finally gets to play with another superstar and can compete now with a winning team. Plus having Nelson and Bass traded along with him helps the transition because they've played with one another already for quite some time, especially with Nelson. Basically it would be like we replaced Turk with Durant (IF ONLY THAT WERE THE CASE NOW) and replaced Jason Richardson with James Harden whos' a very good young talent and has been know to be a good defensive option. Of course they would still have to add a few more players to fill out the roster and most likely it would be veteran players like what the Heat did. I don't know about you guys but this team would be my favorites to win it all next year.
New Lineup...
PG: Nelson / Maynor
SG: Harden / Cook
SF: Durant
PF: Bass / Collinson
C: Howard / Mullens
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Thats a good point.
If youre going to give one of the greatest players in NBA history (yes, already) away, you better make sure you clear out your cap space in order to rebuild as quickly as possible.
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Trading away your best player makes your team a rebuilding process
When the Lakers traded Shaq away, it took them a few years before they were capable of contending again. Remember the Magic also lost Shaq and it took us many years to return to title form. When the Bulls lost Jordan, it took them forever! The realistic outcome of any trade scenario Dwight would be involved in is going to come with at least a few struggling seasons to follow. That is why it is essential to get the best players in return that down the road can help the Magic win. Once the bad contracts are up Westbrook and Ibaka should be in thier prime and then the Magic can sign real good players to play along side them. Even for the next 3 seasons they won’t be a terrible team cause they still have a lot of talent.
by piratekingmatthew on May 8, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, in theory that would probably be the best trade available.
But he won’t sign an extension there.
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Players want to win! Adding those guys in the deal would hinder the Magic's future chances!
Lebron could’ve went to New York for all the money in the world but didn’t. Dwight always talks about winning and everyone knows at this stage a young player like Durant in his prime is a lot better option than an aging Kobe Bryant. To involve Gilbert or Hedo in a deal would mean they ’d have to take less back in return since they are telling the other team to absorb one if not both of their contracts. Also at this point of their careers Hedo doesnt have anything left to offer to a contending team and who knows what Gilbert can do with his bad kness. If you trade away your best player then you need to make sure you can get the most out of the deal as possible. Trading away those other guys can happen sometime down the road in another deal or they can wait the four years when both those contracts are up and sign one or two real good players in the offseason to play with Westbrook, Ibaka, and whoever else they will have on the team at the time.
by piratekingmatthew on May 8, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Trading away one of the two best players in the league is not something that you should have to “sweeten” for other teams by not forcing them to take on at least one bad contract. If they want one of the best players in the league, they are going to have to pay dearly for it. You’re already going to be taking back less in return, by definition, since you’re trading away one of the best players in the league. You had better use your last final remaining leverage – one of the best players in the league – to rid yourself of as much roster dead weight as possible. What’s the incentive for the other team? They get one of the best players in the league, which should be more than enough incentive to store Arenas and/or Turkoglu at the end of their bench for a couple years. Since they get one of the best players in the league.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on May 8, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Compltetly agree
If we are trading away our best player the other team has to take our crap as well. This will be a great way to get rid of Hedo first and maybe Gilbert if there is a 3 way trade. I wouldnt take Bynum like the media says but LA could flip him for Dwight in a 3/4 team trade.
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You make sound easier then said...
The problem with your ideas is that typically trading away a bad player with a bad contract only happens when they have a yr or 2 left on their deal. Areanas and turk both have 4! Like i already said Turk doesn’t have anything to offer to a good team anymore and no other team other then the Magic were dumb enough to pay a guy with bad kness 17+mill a year for the next four seasons to come off the bench.. The other team still needs to know that they have a chance to win and these days it takes more then just two players to win. My trade with the Thunder leaves them with four guys Durant, Howard, Nelson, and Harden. Even Bass can be a good player in that kind of rotation. At this point the Magic should just try to buy out the contracts if they don’t want to put up with them anymore…
by piratekingmatthew on May 8, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
After this season (so at the time of any trade), both Turkoglu and Arenas will have 3 years remaining on their contracts.
You’re right about one thing: the Thunder would get to pair Durant and Howard. The Magic? They would have absolutely no stars, while still retaining the two worst flexibility-killing contracts and filling the rest of the roster with role players. How is that worse than Dwight’s contract expiring? In your scenario, they still don’t have Dwight, still have awful contracts, AND Dwight’s salary space is replaced by lesser players instead of getting the team a step closer to relief from salary cap hell. That’s a terrible deal for the Magic.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on May 8, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you even look at who we would be getting in return!?!?
Westbrook has the potential (if he isn’t already) to be a top 5 PG the whole league, while Ibaka has already established himslef as the best defensive PF with offensive performances in every other game. So what do you mean we get no one??? In 3 years when everyone’s contract is up those two (Westbrook and Ibaka) will be at thier prime, and they will attract other big stars to play with them. My way helps the MAgic contend againin 4-5 years. Letting Dwight leave for nothing sets them back at least another 10!
by piratekingmatthew on May 9, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
especially after their meltdown
they will be trying to change things up in LA immediatly, if we could get gasol, odom, and bynum for Howard and gil, this would work out well for us, but i still would rather try to leep dwight if he would commit
If Dwight were to leave...
I’d rather let him walk for nothing than get two old players and one who’s constantly injured. And unless Bynum is just a rental, he would cripple our cap from signing another marquee FA with the type of contract he’d command.
Odom and Gasol are not old.
They still have 3 solid years ahead of them. By then a lot of the contracts would come off te books. I would never do Howard for Bynum, but to net all three you would have to consider it a little. Plus dump Arenas off. And you could still trade Nelson.
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Gasol...
would be 32 by the time we trade for him and Odom would be 33. Gasol has been a disaster in the playoffs this year and appears to be on the decline. Odom, when motivated, is the best 6th man in the game. But, how often is he motivated? He seems more interested in that show he’s in with Khloe.
Lakers!?!?!
Jon Barry said the other day on ABC, that the Lakers should call Otis Smith and tell him that he can have anybody other then Kobe. Except they dont have anybody good in return. GameManager is right, why would the Magic trade for a big guy with serious injury risks. Plus almost all of the Magic’s contracts last at least 3 more seasons so their solid years that you think they still have would be meaningless for the Magic if they don’t have an actual star on the team to play with them. It would be better to just let Dwight walk…
by piratekingmatthew on May 8, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
After today's game
Bynum and Odom will never be in Orlando Magic uniforms. Magic are going with Dwight. If he leaves he leaves.
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Sigh
Its pointless to discuss any sort of scenario until a new labor agreement is reached. The entire economic landscape of the league could very well change, and what makes sense now may make little sense in a few months.
That and the fact that the Magic simply aren’t going to consider trading Dwight unless he informs the team that he absolutely positively wants out.
by RussL on May 8, 2011 11:23 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You make a case
but thats why I just posted this as a best case trade scenario, and it could still work even with the new agreement. Plus i never said they were actually going to trade him. Personally I hope he stays on the team forever, but just because we want him to stay doesn’t mean he will nor will it stop everyone from talking about it.
by piratekingmatthew on May 8, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
you have no way of knowing whether it could work with the new agreement.
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Not to mention their All-Star point guard.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on May 8, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
They get one back with nelson! plus a Pf with Bass!
by piratekingmatthew on May 8, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Westbrook is a top 5 PG.
Nelson never was. A more balanced trade would be Westbrook, Perkins, Harden, and Ivey. But Dwight is not going to OKC. It’s either Orlando or some warm weather destination. But honestly I think he will stay. He has said New York is too cold. The lakers will either be maxed out or over the cap depending on the new CBA. I think he will stay.
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Cold?!?!?
Honestly a guy who can make millions playing anywhere can afford to by a heater. Sure Harden would be fine but i think Ibaka has such a great defensive presence… and we can get rid one more contract by trading Bass away. I agree Nelson isn’t a top 5 PG in the league but he still is the all star that he was a couple years ago. How much do you expect from a guy with a horrible offensive minded coach who makes him split ballhandling time with Hedo and Areanas. Not to mention it seems like the offense runs through Howard half the game!! THERES ONLY ONE BALL!
by piratekingmatthew on May 9, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't work like that.
The NBA is a winter league. In Baseball people can go play for the Yankees, but it is played during the summer finishes in the Fall and they can go back to their homes in Arizona, Texas, California, and FLorida for the winter. You really do not understand athletes if you do not think that makes a difference for a lot of them. Also Jameer is not the All Star he was five years ago.
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I know it's easy to pile on Otis.
But we can’t forget the good trades he has made. It seems that Dwight has a good relationship with Otis. I think we have give Otis a chance to fix this over the summer. Well aside from the fact that it seems Orlando ownership is going to keep him. So I do agree with you that trades involving Dwight are pointless, unless LaMarcus Aldridge becomes available, we can still look at trades involving other players on the team. I’m going to say Dwight, Turk, and Arenas are untradable for one reason or the other. Everyone else is on the market.
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The same has been said about Brian Hill. Wait and see the power of public outrage. I wish I could have started FireOtisSmith.com today.
Your confusion is strikingly noticeable. You mentioned earlier that if the team is eliminated in the “second round” you support firing Otis Smith. Well, the team was eliminated in the first round, and embarrassingly by a bad ATL team (the ATL – CHI series only speaks to the offensive deficiencies of CHI), and now you are singing a different tune.
He said he doesn't think it will happen.
And I don’t either. It doesn’t have anything to do with either one of our desires as to what should actually happen. The CEO of the organization already has said that they’re not going to fire Otis or Stan.
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For someone who hates when people take a shot at him
You sure seem to be poking at me a lot. Listen I said I would lean that way and probably join the crusade, but I did not expect Orlando to shoot so terribly. My opinions can change whenever because they are kind of sort of my opinion. Otis assembled a team that won 52 games. These guys all have talent. Otis can not control Jameer being passive most of the time and not being aggressive. Otis can not make them push the ball a little more. Otis can not make JJ Redick hit a wide open 3 to tie game 6. Yes he assembled the team, but the team should perform. You keep saying other people on this blog are destroying it, but if someone does not conform to your ideas they are not intelligent basketball fans. I don’t think Ownership is going to fire Otis. Dallas Mavericks never fired their GM, and now they have a chance to make it to the Finals. After watching the Magic the first round, to me Otis is the easy scapegoat.
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Presti would pwn Otis
Therefore, Orlando would not come out the plus side of any trade with OKC. Presti is too smart.
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using that logic, we could only make a trade with the Timberwolves
Arenas needs to hurry up and shoot himself (out of this slump).
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAN
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Maybe we can get the #1 pick from them.
It is Khan we are talking about. And he has Ricky Rubio. Lol.
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You never know.
Remember when Joe Dumars was the smartest GM of all time???
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The only way I'd trade Dwight is...
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3vmny55
And that’s assuming the Hornets and Nuggets are open to being screwed.
When you said this:
And that’s assuming the Hornets and Nuggets are open to being screwed.
It prevented me from clicking the link. Why bother posting something where the other team gets “screwed.”?
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Speaking of dumb trades being posted...
Just spotted Evan’s boy David Polega on Orlando Magic Daily posting a dumb trade machine link in a comment section. He’s the 1st (and only) commenter right now. So don’t feel bad Evra, right now your in some (terrible & banned) company I guess.
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You think I was being serious?
The whole point of it was to show that I literally wouldn’t accept any trade for Dwight unless it was a trade born in some fantasy world (like the above).
I think we need to start looking out for the Orlando Magic instead of trying to bring someone
We just do not have any assets. So the Magic need to do something. And I know Hollinger’s number say Orlando will be a lost worst, but you gotta do something.
So here is my trade and the link:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3ba344n
Orlando gets: LaMarcus Aldridge, Gerald Wallace, Rudy Fernandez, and Armon Johnson.
Why would Orlando do this??
Because apparently “the media is driving Dwight away”. You get a franchise player in Aldridge. Fernandez fills a whole at the 2 guard. Gerald Wallace is a stud who can defend LeBron.
New Orleans gets: Marcus Camby, Andre Miller, Wesley Matthews, and Nicholas Batum.
Why does New Orleans do this?
Because I am not sure if Paul stays. I know they will have about 10 million in cap space and that they could get J Rich and he would play fantastic next to Paul. But that is a big risk. With this New Orleans gets nothing but expiring contracts and Wesley Matthews is becoming a very good player. They also get to unload Okafor.
Portland gets Dwight Howard, Okafof, Chris Paul, and Q
Why does Portland do this?
Um duh you get Howard and Paul. They also have a rich owner. They can afford luxury tax payments. I know Dwight would prefer a warm market, he values winning more. And he would be on a team with Chris Paul. Two Olympians and Brandon Roy, no matter how fractured he may be he can still be the “closer” on this team, can win you a title. Portland has a rabid fan base, and players would still go there. Obviously you can tinker with it here and there, but remember the trade has to benefit everyone. New Orleans gets major cap relief and Wesley Matthews is a very good player no one knows about. I would love to dump Turk and Gil, but as long as Orlando gets Wallace and Aldridge I would be able to live with having to be stuck with Arenas and Turk. Everyone wins in this scenario.
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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3m2h9od
Another variarion
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In this one Orlando gets Okafor instead of Camby
I think Okafor would be fine next to a great PF like Aldridge. He is no Dwight, but he defends and rebounds, which is what you need next to Aldridge. Plus New Orleans gets more cap relief and they basically get a new roster. That also expires and leaves them with a lot of CAP space.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3zqwrpn
sorry for no link
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