Amnesty & Interesting situations

by ECFIVESTER on May 31, 2011 11:14 AM EDT

Dave @ Blazersedge has a good breakdown of some Amnesty questions. He's a reliable source for NBA CBA and contract coverage.

http://www.blazersedge.com/2011/5/26/2192707/blazersedge-mailbag-may-27th-2011-the-amnesty-edition

His ending remarks left wondering what would happen if the Magic made a swap ... after the amnesty was used of course.

Here is what he said

Even the decision whether to cut Brandon is going to cause more soul-searching than most teams will have to do. Pre-injury Roy was The Man on this team. Few teams are going to be losing their former #1 guy--a young guy and maybe a potential star again--through this provision. We're talking Baron Davis or Antawn Jamison, Gilbert Arenas, and Rashard Lewis here...no-brainers

Obviously he was talking about using the Amnesty clause on Brandon Roy and only in a situation where the clause included Luxury and salary cap relief.

His explanantion of the former team still owing the cut player their contract value, would create as he stated situation where cut players would probably head to a playoff contending team for a minimum contract.

That's when I thought, man, if the Magic picked up Brandon Roy after dumping Gilbert Arenas, would I be happy, blah, or upset? I settled on somewhere between blah and happy, with a closer edge to blah. But this brings up my main question, what would you do?

Dave makes the Amnesty clause seem like all but a done deal, the only questions will be how it will be implemented, with a huge lean to the salary cap and luxury relief. Because teams don't want a stagnant NBA with little movement possibilites over the next 2 to 4 years. Owners don't want that, players definitely don't want that.

Who would you replace Arenas or for that matter Turk (the Magic's second worse contract) with? Would replacing either of them with bad knees Brandon Roy be better than keeping them? Do you believe that Barndon Roy is currently better than GA or HT?

Leave your comments and discussions so we can engage in interesting Amnesty scenarios.

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I would take roy

That is IF portland does cut roy. J rich probably wont be back so we need a 2 guard. Me personally i would cut turk instead of Arenas. I know gilberts contract is horrible but i think he has more upside than turk. Hedo wont get better and be slower next year plus he seemed to have lost his drive to play basketball.

by JGutta on May 31, 2011 1:11 PM EDT reply actions

Some weird way I kind of agree with you on Arenas over Turk.

Having said that. You would have to cut Arenas. He makes DOUBLE what Turk makes. You would have to waive him and just create the cap space. I keep reading that there will actually be two amnesty contracts. Which makes sense. Teams would still have to pay the player, and the player at least gets his money. And it would force those teams to make hard decisions. If I cut such and such player but still have to pay him, do I really go out and sing another player? Big fan of amnesty clause.

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by Mateo9399 on May 31, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions

#Amnestygate

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by 4QB on May 31, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Where did you hear about two amnesty contracts?

Orlando Magic. Oregon Ducks. Seattle Mariners. Jacksonville Jaguars.

by 808duck on May 31, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=19808
Also there is a CBA Guy, Larry (I forget his last name) who has mentioned there might be two. Again, most assume one, but if there is two wow. Again that helps Orlando more than anyone. If you think about it, LA would only Artest and Walton. Still would not create free agent space. Orlando dumps Hedo and Gil and now you are talking about $30+ come off the books. And if Dwight say he is about winning, let us say he does a Wade opts out convinces someone to come and they both take less money. Likely? Who knows. But again it could happen. Honestly though I think we can feel about 89-93% about sure about at least one amnesty clause.

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by Mateo9399 on Jun 1, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions

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by slickw143 on Jun 5, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions

Arenas over turk

I kinda felt the same way, the money Arenas makes make it hard for me to consider turk over him, plus the other factor I see is depth … You amnesty clause Arenas and you’re not losing much depth since he’s already a bench player, and basically competes with JJ for PT right now. But if you Amnesty Turk … then Q-Rich is your starting 3 again with no back up … of course the Magis could go get one, but isn’t the point of using the Amnesty to save salary? In the Magic’s case I would cut the one that affects your cap over the longer period of time which would be both at 3 years a piece, in this case you look at salaries and Arenas (I believe ) has about 55 mil left whereas Turk has about 33 mil left. That’s 22 mil difference or a potential 22 mil relief if the Amnesty is used on Arenas.

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by ECFIVESTER on Jun 1, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions

Comparison

Turk has 3 years left with the final year partially guaranteed. Nobody knows how much is guaranteed. Best case scenario – none, and he can be cut after two years with no penalty (total salary owed $22.8m over two years.) Worst case scenario is that the final year is mostly fully guaranteed, which tacks on up to another $12m for a total of $34.8m over three years.

Arenas still has $62.4m left over three years.

It’s a no brainer. It really is. If there’s an amensty clause, and Smith has even the slightest intelligence, Arenas has to go.

by eltharion_doa on Jun 8, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions

The major thing that I find interesting about the amnesty situation

Is the idea of these horrible contracts potentially becoming tradeable assets. Say a team is looking to cut salary, but doesn’t really have one outstanding bad contract. Wouldn’t they be interested in trading a few smaller contracts for a Turk type player, with the intention of immediately using the amnesty clause? Teams like Orlando, with two bad contracts, may actually be able to get value in return.

I’m not going to actually think up a specific trade idea, because for all I know it might not be possible to use the amnesty clause on a recently traded player, but it’s very interesting to think about the possibilities.

Orlando Magic. Oregon Ducks. Seattle Mariners. Jacksonville Jaguars.

by 808duck on May 31, 2011 5:59 PM EDT reply actions

Does throw an interesting twist into the fray though

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by ECFIVESTER on Jun 1, 2011 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions

If this happened

I think we’d see some monster trading going down.

by waleo on Jun 1, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions

Agreed.

Let us say you are Philly. Do you really want to cut Brand??? He had a really solid season. You want to dump Iggy. Would you trade him for an Arenas to clear more cap space. What does a team like Portland do? Do you cut Brandon Roy and allow him to sign somewhere else? Or do you trade him and let some other team cut him. I agree 100% though. The trading market could BE huge if there is an amnesty clause.

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by Mateo9399 on Jun 1, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions

Depends on why teams wanted to dump salary

If it’s to get under the cap then yeah, trading for contracts to cut them is plausible. If it’s just to save money, they’d be shooting themselves in the foot because they’d then have to pay out the contracts of the cut players and sign other players to actually play.

by eltharion_doa on Jun 8, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions