Bill Simmons Is Wrong About Dwight Howard
Yesterday evening, I took to Twitter and wrote the following comment regarding Dwight Howard and a certain popular ESPN columnist whose initials are B.S.:
Folks, it's not news that Bill Simmons is astoundingly wrong about Dwight Howard.
That passive-aggressive tweet is in reference to Simmons' latest column for the four-letter network in which he ranks NBA teams. He uses his section on the Orlando Magic to explain why he thinks Howard is holding back, and is therefore holding the Magic back.
And so here I am, at 7 AM, on no sleep, pounding this column away on the keyboard less than 12 hours removed from saying Simmons being wrong about Howard isn't newsworthy. Because I can't help myself and there's nobody awake to help me.
I hate blockquoting more than three sentences from any piece, though I'll sometimes use four or five if necessary. Please understand that Simmons' argument spans several paragraphs, but because I wouldn't want another writer just copy/pasting my work into a blog post, I'm not going to do that here. Or ever. Again, the following is only a part of his argument, and I don't claim it to stand for the whole. At any rate:
You're telling me Howard's 23.1 points, 14.1 rebounds, 2.4 blocks and 26.1 PER is the best he can do? No way.
Well, yeah, he can do better. My issue is that Simmons can too.
(Maybe the Sports Guy is just paying Howard a backhanded compliment of sorts. He acknowledges Howard is already brilliant, but contends he can do better. I don't think that's sufficient enough to insulate Simmons from criticism).
The Magic have not met expectations this season. They run the risk of finishing with their worst record of the Stan Van Gundy era; the Magic went 52-30 and won the Southeast Division in Van Gundy's first season with the team, a campaign which began with some prognosticators writing the Magic wouldn't qualify for the playoffs. Howard is having an MVP-caliber season, for a number of reasons I've outlined elsewhere on this site. To conclude that Howard is the thing standing between this team and greatness, or whatever it is that Simmons is getting at, is irresponsible. Let me explain.
The usual caveats about Simmons apply here. Usually, when someone on these here internets writes a piece in response to Simmons--a piece which takes him seriously--a reader or two will advise the author that Simmons is an entertainer, and not an analyst.
And yeah, I get that. He's not an analyst; he just plays one in his columns, on his podcasts, and occasionally on the TV. I get that. The thing is, I mean, have you any idea of this man's influence? He has nearly three million followers on Twitter, and only a fraction of internet users use the Twitter machine. Who the Hell knows how many people see his columns? When he talks, people listen. If you're wondering why some people who purport to know, understand, and enjoy the NBA game still aren't "sold" on Howard, you can look to writers like Simmons.
Simmons later contends that Howard, as the team's best player, has a responsibility to lead it. "Doesn't it bother you that Serge Ibaka plays harder than Howard every night?" Simmons asks, as if a) one could prove that factually and b) it mattered.
It's true that Howard hurts the Magic sometimes. His leading the league in technical fouls is hard for anyone to overlook. The resulting suspensions even moreso. But if the worst you can say about a guy is he occasionally costs your team a point--and we're talking 18 times in a 79-game season so far, assuming the other team made the ensuing free throw--then is that guy really a problem? Not in reality, no. Perhaps elsewhere
Howard won't be able to play Sunday against the Chicago Bulls due to a one-game suspension for receiving his 18th technical foul. Assuming the Magic elect to play him his average number of minutes (37.8) in the team's final two games of the regular season, he'll have logged 2950 minutes total. That's 61.5 full games' worth of the best defense on the planet, to say nothing of his rapidly improving offense that ought to rank among the league's best individually, and certainly the best at his scarce position of center.
Let's imagine Simmons is right for a second. Let's say Howard really doesn't care as much as he should right now. Now let's try picturing a world in which Howard truly busts his behind every night.
In that world, does Hedo Turkoglu shoot his free throws better than 65.2 percent?
In that world, are the Magic suddenly a more creative and active offensive club less prone to long bouts of stagnancy and sloppiness?
In that world, does anyone on the team rank above-average in cutting off dribble penetration?
In that world, do the Magic have anyone on the roster capable of breaking a defense down off the dribble?
Those are just a few of the problems I see on this Orlando team. They don't go away if Howard tries harder, even assuming that he doesn't try hard enough already. Howard giving even more of a damn will not free cap space to sign a top-dollar free agent, or make Jason Richardson a lock-down defender, or help Quentin Richardson find his shooting stroke.
I don't want to give the impression that Howard's the perfect player or perfect teammate. Nobody in this league, not even its most dominant post presence since the days when Shaquille O'Neal mattered, is beyond reproach.
I don't like that Howard picks up needless fouls for shoving some poor schmoe whom he's already backed well under the basket. It rankles me at times when Howard swoops in to take a defensive board from a teammate and, when unsuccessful in doing so, glare at him. For all the brilliant strides he's made at the offensive end, he could still be even better; he's markedly less effective in the post when opponents take away his moves to the baseline, and the Synergy Sports data bear that out. Send him middle, folks, and he's not nearly as lethal. Blocking shots out of bounds? I can live with that, I guess.
I mean, if you're going to harp on a guy for wanting to make the highlight play with some spectacular blocks--even if those blocks sail out of bounds, ensuring the opponent maintains possession--then you've got to acknowledge the great things that guy does on defense, too. And I'd wager Howard has shut down at least ten times as many pick-and-rolls virtually by himself than he's blocked shots out-of-bounds this year.
Point? At worst, Howard is the second-best player in the league, depending on how you feel about LeBron James. He has room to improve, but that's where he is right now, which is well beyond good enough.
I'm wearing myself out here, which is why I'm through. Finished, in more ways than one. If Bill Simmons, or you, or your Aunt Susan wants to argue Howard is holding Orlando back, whatever. It's his problem, your problem, Aunt Susan's problem.
It sure as Hell won't be my problem anymore.
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Brilliant, Evan.
We all often want to ignore the likes of Bill Simmons so that they would earn less unnecessary time and attention. But then … you are right about the flocks of people who follow these types of characters. Going at them, as we should, may not stop them, and could attract hostile objections from multiple directions, but that really does not matter much. What matters is that eventually – although it might take awhile – people shall realize how shallow and phony they are. Yes, “entertainer” not “analyst”, because as soon as one takes sides and leaves the realm of logic, she or he could not be considered analyst.
Nice morning wakeup!!!
Bill Simmons is channeling Gene Simmons
HUGE fan of Simmons.
Love what he has to offers. I love his breakdown of things and is a lot of times right. He is right here again. Howard can do better he has not put up his best numbers yet. Now I don’t agree with what he says about how Howard not achieving his best marks is holding the Magic down, but when you have a superstar that you don’t go to down the stretch that is a problem. The silly fouls and technicals are a problem. You don’t want your star player to be like that. As he says in his Rose breakdown, a team takes on the character of the star player. Dwight to me still doesn’t have that KILLER in him like a Kobe, now granted not many players do. Until he does maybe he is holding the Magic, I don’t believe that is the case but if it is argued I can see where someone would come from. That in my opinion is not at all what is the problem with this Magic team though.
by blumad on Apr 9, 2011 10:03 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
How does being the most feared defender in the game not make you a "KILLER"?
You rely on eye test alone, and you need glasses.
"(Dwight) Howard averages 23 points and 14 rebounds per game and is the defensive basketball equivalent of a guy carrying a bazooka during laser tag. No one wants to play with that kid."-Matt Moore
by fwedo on Apr 9, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What else can he do besides sealing off his defender and holding his hand up?
Is he supposed to grab the guy and shake him like Bob Knight used to do to his players? That’s a rhetorical question, by the way. Don’t answer it with an irresponsible, “OF COURSE HE NEEDS TO BE MORE KILLER INSTINCT KOBE PLZ”.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
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"a team takes on the character of the star player"
That is a load of CRAP. You think the Lakers have an assassin if Kobe goes down? Is that why still to this day their bigs are referred to as “soft”.
I’d be happy to see a list of the KILLERS in this league, but as you said “not many players do”………so why would Howard develop into one?
Was Hakeem ever known as a Killer? No, just an unstoppable center that never had to face MJ in the finals. (Real Killer)
The last time I read Simmons was hen the magic went to the finals, Simmons wrote how the Magic’s defense was “OK”. Really? Do much research before you act like you know what you’re talking about? Why would anyone listen to a guy who’s wife makes better football picks than him for actual insight into sports? Or the same guy that said the Magic were idiots for picking Howard over Okafur in the draft.
Simmons has a lot to offer, sure………….for me to poop on.
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by AB's triple double on Apr 9, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Kobe is an assassin, yet the other players are aloof.
No teams take on th personality of cities and coaches more than one player.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
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"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
Boston Semi 2009 Game 6&7? Cleveland the whole series?
He almost had a triple double with blocks in the finals???? You can’t kill when you don’t have the ball.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
WINWINWIN
someone on these here internets
^^brought our muh trollface.
Great piece, now get some sleep.
"(Dwight) Howard averages 23 points and 14 rebounds per game and is the defensive basketball equivalent of a guy carrying a bazooka during laser tag. No one wants to play with that kid."-Matt Moore
The Dwight Double Standard
I think it is not just Bill Simmons that has these views. He certainly was not the one who originated this thought that Howard could do more. It all reaches back to the perception problem Howard and everyone around the Magic feels. Compared to other superstars, Howard is vastly underappreciated.
You never see the media hold the James or Wade or Rose lovefest because of their shortcomings. Nobody says James fails to take it to the basket enough and settles for a jumpshot that is still weakest part of his game. No one criticizes Wade for still being an underwhelming 3-point shooter. Rose’s poor shooting — 44.1 percent from the field and 33.2 percent from 3 — have not held back the MVP love fest.
The fact is Dwight has improved just about everywhere his critics wanted him to and it still seems like it is not enough. This is not about MVP awards or anything else, Howard just wants some appreciation from people outside the Magic family. EVERY PLAYER HAS AN AREA HE NEEDS TO IMPROVE. Why can’t we celebrate Howard’s brillians?
Philip,
Orlando Magic Daily
OrlandoMagicDaily.com
by philrsquared on Apr 9, 2011 10:18 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
And by “brillians” I meant “brilliance.”
Philip,
Orlando Magic Daily
OrlandoMagicDaily.com
by philrsquared on Apr 9, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
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All true… Each year Howard works hard on those weak areas. with noticeable improvements, save for the infamous free-throws and his Techs.
That a LOT of people don’t notice, or just DON’T CARE… is obvious: It shows just how much biased they are towards perhaps the best Center in the past 5 years in the NBA.
And you know what… I don’t care about ANY of these kind of people, blinded by what I call, Selective Ignorance. It’s right in front of them!
Great work, Evan!!!
Oh... by the way
Can anyone point me to the link to that Simmons guy’s blog?
I think I will expand my ALL-CAPITAL posts to HIS blog and make a killing there!
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/110408&sportCat=nba
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
Tuesday, Nov. 21, 2000, Blazers at Wizards. Rasheed was matched up against Juwan Howard. Rasheed had a foul called against him which sent Howard to the line. Surprisingly, Ra disagreed with the call. After Juwan missed the first free throw, Rasheed started clapping and yelling, "THAT BALL AIN'T GONNA LIE, THAT BALL AIN'T GONNA LIE!" -
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Apr 9, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh man, you did it now
The Simmons trolls have alerted the Sportsguy and he will soon attempt to argue your points by making an analogy about an ex-girlfriend that has literally nothing to do with basketball…hope you can take that kind of heat.
Simmons' girlfriend/wife/dad anecdotes are always such obvious lies.
As if the sportsgal had never heard of Dwight Howard until the other day.
But the most pathetic part of the article was Simmons’ closing line that Dwight’s MVP candidacy is a joke because Simmons has season tickets and never cared about seeing Dwight play this year. What?
by CaliFlorida on Apr 9, 2011 2:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Excellent piece. Some of your best work, IMO.
I’m also glad you called Dwight out for glaring at his teammates who try to steal “his rebounds.”
My #1 issue with Dwight (besides the T’s) is the constant whining when he doesn’t get a call. It’s not the act of whining that I hate the most, it’s him flailing his arms around with his, “if I didn’t make the basket, I must have been fouled” attitude, while the opposition is breaking down court and he’s not getting back. I can’t STAND THAT!
Granted, he does get hit often without a whistle, I just wish he would put his head down and hustle back 100% of the time instead of the attention seeking, “I can do no wrong and MUST HAVE been fouled” attitude.
Everyone can make a mistake, everyone is allowed to miss a shot they should have made without it being someone’s fault (the opposition’s, the refs, his teammates), once he gets past that (if he ever does, which I doubt), I will have no qualms with his game.
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Bye, Bye, Bobby!
by GonzoBallSHU on Apr 9, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You are correct, sir.
Dwight should be MVP. Take him off this team and we’d be just as competitive as the nets or bobcats.
I appreciate your honesty on Dwight
because he does have his faults. I’m a big fan of Simmons also, but I thought asking more of Howard is pretty pathetic. I mean, a 26 in PER? Probably a 3 time defensive player of the year?
No, its the roster that has to play better. Which I don’t think is gonna happen. But great defense of Dwight Mr. Q Rock and I wouldn’t get too wrapped up in what he says about him. Remember this awesome quote?
“Dwight couldn’t score 40 pts if he was guarded by Yi Jianlian’s chair.”
This is what he said about a month before the playoffs started in 08-09. Game 6 against Cleveland-40 pts, 15 reb, 4 ast, 1 blk. The thing about Simmons, and this was apparent when the LeBron fiasco went down, is that he wants players to meet his expectations and his only. He has been wrong countless other times about players but the one thing he cares about is the NBA and there are not many mainstream writers who do. I used to get so mad about the smack he talks about one of my teams (he has ripped into my Chargers many times because of his Patriots) but I just finally let it go. He is not going to issue an apology or retraction.
Now if we can get Monta Ellis next year with Dwight….
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
huh, I'm also a Chargers fan.
"(Dwight) Howard averages 23 points and 14 rebounds per game and is the defensive basketball equivalent of a guy carrying a bazooka during laser tag. No one wants to play with that kid."-Matt Moore
Great well written article.
I’m a Bulls fan so my opinion may or may not be welcomed but I do come in peace and just wanted to add my two cents to the conversation. I read the Simmons article and came away feeling that he must have read my mind about Howard because I could not have said it better and have been saying the same thing for a while.
First off let me say that I think that Dwight Howard is a hell of a player and the best Center in the game. He’s having his best season as a pro as well and deserves MVP consideration. His surrounding cast could also be better as well. But what Simmons is saying is that he should be better and Simmons is right. Dwight Howard has been in the league almost 7 years now and in his seventh year he’s putting up 23 and 14 and is the best defensive player in the league. But do you guys realize that Dwight Howard best year isn’t even as good as say David Robinson’s first year in the league?
You may say “So what? What the hell does that got to do with this year and Howard’s greatness?” Well it matters because David Robinson was playing in an era where damn near every team had someone decent at center. Howard is playing against stretch PFs and 7 footers who would rather shoot 3s then get on the block. This guy should be putting up 26-28 points per game in this era. That’s Simmons point. I compare him to Robinson because that’s who he reminds me of in terms of skill set yet Robinson was putting up 25/13/ and almost 4 blocks a game at the age of 25 and was doing that against the Olajuwons and Ewings of the world. Hell that’s even before Shaq.
Part of the reason the Magic are 4th in the East, for better and worst, is because of Howard. He’s not a playmaker at the position nor good enough offensively to make his players better. Can an offense be ran through Howard? Is there fear that when Howard gets the ball that he’s just as likely to pass it to a cutting player as he is to back his man down? That’s what Simmons is getting at. This is why he feels Dwight could do more. He’s not more dominant that Robinson, Olajuwon, or Ewing in there primes and they had to play against each other! Also getting enough techs that you can’t play in games down the stretch is just damn shameful. You’re not leading any team anywhere with your best player being that much of a detriment because he can’t set an example by controlling his emotions.
Don’t listen to the BS stat guys tell you about Howard being irreplaceable. That’s crap. Of course he is, who’s going to replace him Brook Lopez?? Again this isn’t a slight on Howard as much is it is a reason for perspective. Have perspective on how good Howard is in context top the era he’s playing in. Demand more from him because he should be more. Whether you think Rose is MVP or not or whether you think I’m just a homer understand this… Rose is dominating in a golden era for his position, Howard is dominating in perhaps the worst era for his. The guy should be and can be better. That was Simmons point.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
by Dils on Apr 9, 2011 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
"Part of the reason the Magic are 4th in the East, for better and worst, is because of Howard. He’s not a playmaker at the position nor good enough offensively to make his players better."
Right, and this is where you made clear you haven’t seen him very often.
"Can an offense be ran through Howard? "
This troll has never actually watched Dwight play, ever, has he?
"(Dwight) Howard averages 23 points and 14 rebounds per game and is the defensive basketball equivalent of a guy carrying a bazooka during laser tag. No one wants to play with that kid."-Matt Moore
Yeah, I mean, it's not like the entire offense isn't based off Dwight or anything.
O WAIT
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
(and the defense)
"(Dwight) Howard averages 23 points and 14 rebounds per game and is the defensive basketball equivalent of a guy carrying a bazooka during laser tag. No one wants to play with that kid."-Matt Moore
(and the leadership role)
"(Dwight) Howard averages 23 points and 14 rebounds per game and is the defensive basketball equivalent of a guy carrying a bazooka during laser tag. No one wants to play with that kid."-Matt Moore
I'm pretty sure the equipment managers look to him when they run out of Gatorade.
"(Dwight) Howard averages 23 points and 14 rebounds per game and is the defensive basketball equivalent of a guy carrying a bazooka during laser tag. No one wants to play with that kid."-Matt Moore
Wow. I'm a troll? Defensive much?
I thought I entered in here pretty cordially and was just offering an opinion but I’m a troll? And to think I actually felt bad about what you guys are about to endure when Dwight spends the next year and a half playing the Magic fans on a string while he decides which team to take his talents to. Good luck with Brook Lopez.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
by Dils on Apr 9, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
okay wait, lemme get this straight....
I read the Simmons article and came away feeling that he must have read my mind about Howard because I could not have said it better and have been saying the same thing for a while.
Well that’ll endear us to you! Agreeing with a notorious Celtics homer who’s still bitter about losing the ECFs 2 years ago!
But what Simmons is saying is that he should be better and Simmons is right. Dwight Howard has been in the league almost 7 years now and in his seventh year he’s putting up 23 and 14 and is the best defensive player in the league. But do you guys realize that Dwight Howard best year isn’t even as good as say David Robinson’s first year in the league?
So what?
You may say "So what? What the hell does that got to do with this year and Howard’s greatness?"
ZOMG you read my mind! :O
Part of the reason the Magic are 4th in the East, for better and worst, is because of Howard.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. You’re right, it’s completely Dwight’s fault that our team was radically overhauled in the middle of the season, that Otis Smith acquired the albatross known as Gilbert Arenas, that Dwight’s teammates are rarely consistent either as his fellow starters or coming from the bench. My god, you are delusional. Whenever the Bulls lose, did you all blame Rose?
He’s not a playmaker at the position nor good enough offensively to make his players better. Can an offense be ran through Howard?
Our offense IS run through Dwight, you—poor, unfortunate soul. But you’re right, those 50 wins were a fluke. JJ Redick won those games. Or Jameer. Or Chris Duhon.
Just go away. Rose won, it’s over. Let us nurse our wounds in peace.
Jerk.
Free at last!
JJ sucks.
by TheGiantSquid on Apr 9, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
Squid ftw.
"(Dwight) Howard averages 23 points and 14 rebounds per game and is the defensive basketball equivalent of a guy carrying a bazooka during laser tag. No one wants to play with that kid."-Matt Moore
Jerk? Lol
Yeah some of you all on here are definitely 14 years old. It’s all good. Lol!
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
lol nice comeback
Free at last!
JJ sucks.
by TheGiantSquid on Apr 9, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
and I like how you're latching on to people "insulting" you
instead of actually coming up with a rebuttal.
*thumbs up * trollers gotta troll
Free at last!
JJ sucks.
by TheGiantSquid on Apr 9, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I have paragraphs
worth of rebuttals throughout this post to actual basketball conversation. But if you want me to rebut name calling? Nah that’s not my thing. You can have that.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
daaaaaaamn
some one just got OWNED
"Evan!
Unban me from the OPP!"...........David Polega
by AB's triple double on Apr 10, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
oh one more thing
Good luck with Brook Lopez.
Good luck finally getting out of the first round since 2007! I’m sure you can do it this year!
Free at last!
JJ sucks.
by TheGiantSquid on Apr 9, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha!
Good luck with Brook Lopez.
Is that your best rebuttal for being called out as a troll? Must mean you really are then! Sniffing the jock straps of the worst statistical MVP in NBA history must be really fun! You’ll beat us tomorrow since we’ll be without the REAL MVP and our best perimeter defender but come playoff time, Dwight will be back to swat Derrick Rose’s shit to the upper deck!
Dwight's watching you! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dwight Howard: Strong as an ox, swift as a gazelle.
Stockton, Kidd, Payton, and the Hardaway's call BS on your "golden era" of PG's argument
"Evan!
Unban me from the OPP!"...........David Polega
by AB's triple double on Apr 9, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Rose,Westbrook,Parker,Rondo,
Dwill, Paul,Wall, and to a lesser degree Felton,Holiday, Calderon and league season leader in assist Nash may have a little to say about that. I’ll leave guys like Lawson, Jennings,Conley, and Harris off just because there are so many quality ones to go around. Guys like Wall, Rose, Paul, and Dwill are also scorers and athletic as well. Point is that there is a wealth of quality players at the position. “Golden era” doesn’t necessarily mean better at the top. It could also mean depth at the position. Quality depth. Which this era has.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
by Dils on Apr 9, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and the 90's didn't???
try again.
"Evan!
Unban me from the OPP!"...........David Polega
by AB's triple double on Apr 9, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Rose isn't dominating, he's producing identically to Westbrook.
Go away, plz, thnx.
"(Dwight) Howard averages 23 points and 14 rebounds per game and is the defensive basketball equivalent of a guy carrying a bazooka during laser tag. No one wants to play with that kid."-Matt Moore
Westbrook save for the 3pt percent is actually better, in a couple of ways
Aye, business is business and money is money i never said we were friends.
Felton?
Since when has Raymond Felton done anything significant? Second year Darren Collison can make him look silly.
Golden Era
The only reason this seems like a “golden era” of PGs is because of rules changes over the years that have made it basically illegal to defend a guard, i.e. the elimination of hand checks.
You guys are acting like
the hand checking rule came in in 2009 or something. The rule was first implemented in 1994..It’s 2011. That was 16 years ago. There were other modifications to it but since but why hang that on today’s player’s. No what’s happened is that After Iverson you saw more and more guys who would have been tweeners at SG learning to play PG. No offense to the Stocktons, Mark Jacksons, and Mark Prices (one of my favorites) of the world but the position is changing when guys like Westbrook, Wall, and Rose are running point. It’s a new breed at the position and I don’t think the hand checking would have made that much of a difference in keeping up with John Wall. These guys are just stronger and faster.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
I love Rose, let's get that out of the way.
But let’s be real here. Rose isn’t dominating when it’s not even widely accepted that he’s the best. Guys like Chris Paul and Deron Williams still have something to say about that. Honestly, Russell Westbrook is arguably as good if not better than Rose, overall at least. He’s just as efficient, if not as prolific, offensively as Rose and is miles ahead of him as a defender.
PG’s are dominating right now because of hand check rules, while Dwight (and every other power big man) is suffering because of the true golden era we are in right now… the golden era of flopping.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
by slickw143 on Apr 9, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gotta love those numbers
Westbrook is good but he’s not Rose. He’s not because… He’s just not. And deep down you know that. Numbers would also tell you that Malone was a better player than Jordan in 97-98 but something tells me that you’d rather have MJ. But hey I could be wrong. Let alone the fact that Westbrook is playing with the league’s leading scorer and doesn’t get doubled and triple teamed like Rose.
Besides we’re not talking about Rose. He’s got the #1 seed and MVP locked up. We’re talking about Howard and the article written by Simmons. The next best Center he faces in his conference is who? Bogut? Lopez? In the West, Bynum? Come on. Howard’s a throwback, true Center. Those guys rarely exist anymore and if they do they aren’t playing (Oden, Yao). Howard can be a better player and competition isn’t why he isn’t. That’s all I was saying and so was Simmons.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
"He's not Rose because... He's just not."
As much as some people hate stats because they disagree with what they believe, it’s at the very least a better argument than no argument at all. And some numbers indicate that Malone had a better offensive season (certainly a more efficient season)… however other numbers indicate that Jordan was the better defender, so it was really just a dead heat. The MVP is a regular season award, and it’s just revisionist history to say that it was clear that MJ or the Bulls had a clearly better regular season than Malone and the Jazz that year.
As you said, the point of the matter is Dwight. He’s a true center in a league that is increasingly being pushed in the direction where they’re not as important as they once were. Not only the removal of the hand check rule, but also the change to allow zone defenses have reduced the effectiveness that a big man has in the game compared to 15 years ago. It can be argued that, at least offensively, it’s better to have an elite wing who can penetrate and make plays combined with a 3-point shooting big man to space the floor than it is to have an elite post player and an elite spot-up shooter.
Dwight can be better, as could EVERY OTHER PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE. No one is above reproach, and it’s not like Dwight’s production is so far removed from this hypothetical peak that he can be criticized for that. There are other factors that contribute to Dwight’s relative lack of production, but don’t forget that he led his team to the NBA Finals at age 23, is the best defensive player in the league three years running, and has improved his offense each year. What you and Simmons are saying just doesn’t hold any water because based on your statements, you haven’t watched the Magic play beyond a couple national TV games.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
If I'm a Bulls fan who's team is in the Eastern Conference
chances are that I may have caught Howard on more than a few occasions. Which includes 2 games in which he knocked Rose out of last year and a blow out earlier this season in Chicago that I actually went to in person. So enough of the “I never seen him play” nonsense. So yeah I’ve seen him play plenty.
Dwight Howard is a hell of a player. No one is saying that he’s not. But when someone like Simmons says that he can improve his game, it’s the equivalent of a teacher knowing that his B student is capable of an A if he would hit the books more and quit goofing off and getting suspended (Pun definitely intended).
Just so you know I’m not picking on Dwight, It’s no different than me saying this time last year that Rose would make his team better if he played better defense and developed a 3 point shot. Or Luol Deng needs to be more consistent. Damn if that didn’t happen. What were the results?
Hell I feel that Lebron James could be better as well. For some that’s sacrilegious to say but it’s the truth. Here’s a guy who’s as big as Karl Malone but has no post up game to speak of, no in between game, no turn around jumper, no go to move. He’s been in the league for 8 years. Then people wonder why in the clutch all he can do is throw up 3 point shots in isolation or drive like a mack truck through the lane. Those things affect the success of his teams but everyone is so caught up on PER and efficiency that they are too blinded to see that.
Also my comment about Rose vs. Westbrook was simple because it’s that simple. Westbrook number wise is comparable to Rose. So what? The guy plays with Durant so from there it’s not even an apt comparison to start with. Russell Westbrook is not facing a double team every night. He’s not getting trapped every night. He’s not being triple team at the top of the key and carrying a whole defense with him. And if by chance he does? Guess who he has the luxury of swinging the ball to? Right, the leagues best scorer. A guy who Westbrook doesn’t need to “get” open. Rose “gets” Deng open.He “gets” Korver open, he “gets” Bogans open. These guys can barely dribble let alone be left in isolation. So I think the Westbrook comparisons are just a crutch for people to slam Rose. Let’s see Westbrook without Durant and then have that conversation.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
So you've watched Howard play... 6 times? 10 times?
Congratulations?
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
"But when someone like Simmons says that he can improve his game......"
If you had any credibility in your argument (which you didn’t). You lost it in that line.
Go rub the fro on Pippen’s new bust to make yourself feel better.
"Evan!
Unban me from the OPP!"...........David Polega
by AB's triple double on Apr 9, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Go rub the fro on Pippen’s new bust to make yourself feel better."
Pretty funny stuff. Rec’d.
Let's see Rose without Boozer, Noah, Deng, and maybe even Thibodeau.
Aye, business is business and money is money i never said we were friends.
"Westbrook is good but he’s not Rose. He’s not because… He’s just not."
OK.
by Evan Dunlap on Apr 9, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol my fav line as well.
"(Dwight) Howard averages 23 points and 14 rebounds per game and is the defensive basketball equivalent of a guy carrying a bazooka during laser tag. No one wants to play with that kid."-Matt Moore
that's oen solid argument right there
Free at last!
JJ sucks.
by TheGiantSquid on Apr 9, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
That line may sound silly, but it's sooooo true. Noone this season is capable of one man beatdowns like Rose.
by adocarbog on Apr 10, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Where are your facts, smart guy?
What constitutes a one-man beatdown? First you have to define your terms, then you have to back up your claims with data and commentary. And then I’ll pay attention.
Until then? Blather on all you like. Without an argument more substantial than “it just is”—and it’s hard to be less substantial than that—you might as well be a dude wearing Bible verses on a sandwich board, screaming on a street corner.
by Evan Dunlap on Apr 10, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Rose also plays with more talented bigs than Westbrook.
Ibaka’s a good shot-blocker but as an overall player, he’s no Boozer. Noah’s better than Perkins in pretty much everything. Collison is a nice hustle player but he’s not anything close to the rebounding/defensive presence that Omer Asik is.
Dwight's watching you! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dwight Howard: Strong as an ox, swift as a gazelle.
Howard is the best player or second best player in the league.
Keep reminding yourself of that.
by CaliFlorida on Apr 9, 2011 5:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Geez, I wish Refs could sometimes control their eyesight instead of calling B.S. fouls everytime- someone even touches D12
Aye, business is business and money is money i never said we were friends.
Robinson was putting up 25/14/4 at 25
Dwight is 25. He came out of high school. He has not even entered his prime yet.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Was that during a stretch?
Robinson was 25 during the ‘90-’91 season and he averaged 25.6/13/3.9 that year. Close but a rebound off.
Dwight's watching you! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dwight Howard: Strong as an ox, swift as a gazelle.
Um...David Robinson never once averaged 14 rebounds per game
His best year ever was 13 (when he was 25). That would be Dwight’s 5th best average (out of 7).
David Robinson’s 2nd best year rebounding was 12.2. The only year Dwight did worse than that was his rookie year.
But please, continue making things up.
The plural of "anecdote" isn't "data."
I was using that to defend Howard.
As in he came out of high school and had to develop. I just don’t think it is fair to compare Dwight to other guys in their prime when Dwight has not entered his prime yet.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Even if everything you said were true
And I would disagree with a lot of it, it’s still meaningless. Your argument is, essentially, that Dwight can’t be the league’s MVP because he’s not as good as he should be.
Nonsense. He could be playing with half his potential and still be the league’s MVP if him at half speed was better than anyone else. And I would argue that no player in the NBA has been more important to their team or performed at a higher level this season with less help than Howard. That’s why he’s the MVP to me. Could he be better? Sure. Is he still the best there’s been this season?
Yep.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 11, 2011 4:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just one quick side note
I do think his side note is a little underrated. They may be inconsistent, but honestly if you really look at it, LeBron has Wade and Bosh as his only decent teammates. Bibby, Anthony, Z, Chalmers, Miller, Jones, Dampier, Howard, and the other junk they have, are really junk. They play 3-on-5 every game. Turk is inconsistent but better than everyone on the Heat after Bosh. Same with J Rich. Jameer. JJ. Even Ryan Anderson and Bass are still better then that. Again I think Dwight has done the most with least consistent players around him. We agree in principle, but do you see what I mean?
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
I know what you mean, yep
But I think the NBA is so much of a top-3-or-4 guys that having competence all the way down to the fifth and sixth (or seventh, eighth, etc.) isn’t really that important.
I’d trade everyone on the roster apart from Dwight for Kevin Love, Chris Paul and a bunch of 12-14 PER guys.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 11, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Well not Kevin Love
Because we already have that guy on our team and his name is Ryan Anderson. For Chris Paul I would trade everyone else as well. But we already have Kevin Love on our team. I don’t think anyone realizes that Anderson actually was a better player than Love when they were both in the Pac 10. And yes your top 3 guys gotta be good, but their rest is not even competent.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Their rest is not even competant
And they’re already one of the best teams in the league, which is the point. Besides, when you’ve got three guys as good as Miami’s, the rest of your team is barely going to touch the ball anyway.
Anderson might have been better than Love when they were both in the Pac 10, but he’s not shown that he can perform at that level in the NBA. Love’s a more efficient scorer, a better passer and a better rebounder, and he’s more athletic. Give him a good coach like van Gundy and defensive help like Howard and you’d have an elite 1-2 punch, especially with a passer like Chris Paul to get him the ball.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 11, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
You don't think Anderson can approach Love's production if he had the minutes?
Well, not with rebounding, of course, especially with Dwight here. But I think offensively, with more time and a clearer role on the team, Ryan can be right there with Love. I think he’s more athletic than Love, at least in terms of being able to drive to the hole. He’s a lot quicker and has more ups than Love. I think he can be a better defender than Love. I just think that Ryan has shown before that, when given a clear role, he can perform well.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
I think he can perform well, yes
I don’t think he can outperform Love, no. Love is the offense on a bad team. I don’t think Anderson could be that. Or at least not as well. And Anderson has had his chances to start and not taken them as often as he’s taken them. Love was dominating on the bench and carried that domination onto the court when starting.
I think in five years Love will be considered an All-NBA second or third team forward, if he learns to defend. I just don’t think Anderson has that upside. I think Anderson’s a borderline All-Star which is great, but it’s not Love.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 12, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
An unusual but interesting article. Written in frustration while in a sleep deprived state...
Not sure of the motive but interesting none the less. In this post Evan listed several of Dwight’s flaws. Not all of them but several of them. Makes me harken back to the “Howard is a frustrated perfectionist” article that was shared on here a few days ago. I commented on that one and also listed many of Howard’s flaws only to be attacked by some of you who seem to think he’s flawless. He’s not. He’s full of imperfections.
Let me say this before I continue… Dwight is the MVP. I think it’s a shame that it’s likely to go to Rose. Howard has earned it and deserves it. But if he had a different mindset and played at 100% of his abilities he would have locked it down long ago. Howard doesn’t play as hard as Serge Ibaka or several other less talented big men in the league. Going back to another old and controversial point of mine does anyone think Dwight hustles harder then Kevin Love? Not even close. The guys that play harder then Dwight HAVE TO because they are not as physically gifted as Dwight. Just imagine if Howard had their mindset. He’d be averaging 30 points and 18 rebounds a game. We’ve seen Dwight’s freakish leaping ability in dunk contests so why does he so rarely explode like that in a game and forcefully posterize some bum. He has almost zero aggression and no killer instinct. Don’t confuse his frustration with aggression. Howard can be brought to near tears from the words of Kevin Garnett and will run from eye contact with a point guard that he just leveled in a screen. He is in fact… soft. It’s because he’s such a jolly and lighthearted soul. I can’t harp on someone for being a good person. But it’s that same quality that will keep him out of most MVP races. If we could somehow put Alonzo Mourning’s brain in Dwight’s body you’d see exactly what I’m talking about. A true beast.
Playoff beard in full effect. Can any of you dweebs grow beards? Didn't think so :)
by Matty B on Apr 9, 2011 5:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You are confusing lack of aggression with lack of effort.
You seem to have this idea that Dwight is soft, and you keep repeating that idea. Other than your own twisted perceptions, you have no basis for that argument.
There are players that other players call soft (see Pau Gasol), but Dwight Howard is not one of them.
There are great players, at every level of sport, who don’t scream like Garnett, or throw tantrums, or substitute intimidation for talent.
Substantiate your claim that Dwght does not hustle, or is soft. Or admit that it is an opinion that you hold in defiance of available evidence.
And yes, some other fans, sportswriters, and pundits hold that opinion as well. Interesting to note that none of these people have actually ever played a game with Dwight Howard.
Fortunately, the NBA has a well-tested quantitative formula for determining who the best team is. It's called "the playoffs." - Robert Silverman
by Redfield on Apr 9, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If I ever hear the words aggression or killer instinct outside the context of animal behavioral science again I am going to blow my Goddamned brains out.
Please stop.
by Evan Dunlap on Apr 9, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
LOL!
Literally. Like, I just laughed out loud and my fiance thought I was psychotic for a moment.
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
If Dwight Howard was soft...
Then explain to me why guys like LeBron, Wade, and Rose are often times hesitant to drive to the lane against him. Explain to me how he dropped 40 on the Cavs to close them out. Explain to me how he dropped a 20/20 on the Celtics in a Game 7 to close them out. Explain to me how he’s often got his man sealed off in the lane waiting for an entry pass that too often does not come within the first 5 seconds of a possession. Explain to me how he gets so many rebounds although he consistently is out of position because he is contesting the shot after one of our wings let another player blow by them.
Explain to me how you’ve come to think anything about anything in the world of basketball.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
by slickw143 on Apr 9, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bowser does. I think he's a reptile.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Yep.
Bowser is a turtle. Turtles are reptiles. Hence, Bowser is a reptile.
Dwight's watching you! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dwight Howard: Strong as an ox, swift as a gazelle.
Thank you, good sir!
Dwight's watching you! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dwight Howard: Strong as an ox, swift as a gazelle.
by GameManager on Apr 10, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
If Dwight had Love's mentality, he would average a 20/20, but our team would be so much worse.
He has the perfect mindset for the current make up of our team. He really does not have the luxury to play as physical as he would want to.
Arenas needs to hurry up and shoot himself (out of this slump).
Just when I think Matty B can't top himself
He goes and writes something like this.
"Evan!
Unban me from the OPP!"...........David Polega
by AB's triple double on Apr 9, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, you're right. He is just terrible isn't he? Why can't we just trade him for Sam Dalembert or something?
God get Dwight out of here!!!
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"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
People on this blog are way too hard on SImmons.
The man is a historian of the game at this point. He may be a homer, but he knows what he’s talking about. Read his “Book of Basketball” if you think I’m wrong.
Let me start by saying I’m a die-hard Magic fan, have been since I was 7 and moved to Orlando in 92, and that Dwight is my favorite player.
With that being said, Simmons is correct in his article. Dwight does not try as hard as he can every night. Do I blame the guy? No. Will he give his all in the playoffs? Yes. But in the regular season, the season on which MVP is voted (an award I think he should win), he takes possessions off. Anyone who watches closely has to agree.
Simmons writes in a comical tone…that is his job. While I think his tone makes it sound like he doesn’t like Dwight, I think the opposite is the truth. I think Simmons (for better or for worse) views himself as a Dwight’s disappointed father. His kid gets straight A’s, but is capable of A+’s across the board. He knows, as do we, that Dwight should be far and away the most dominant force in basketball. I think he views the fact that there even is an MVP debate to be had as a disappointment. With Dwight’s talent, skill, and natural ability, he should be a runaway MVP winner. I know that he can’t feed himself the ball, so this isn’t me asking why Dwight doesn’t get 20 shots a game. What I do know though, is that he would add 2-3 pts and rebs a game if he didn’t take possessions off. Sucks to say it, but he would.
When Dwight is 30 and reaching the end of his prime, I think we’ll see consistent effort and know of what he is truly capable. But for now, he is comfortable playing “A” basketball. The A+ will come, but i hasn’t yet.
Care to disagree with me?
by TragicMatt on Apr 9, 2011 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Two questions for you, Evan, if you wouldn't mind an additional response...
1) Do you think Dwight takes plays off?
2) Do you believe Simmons writes what he truly believes, or do you think he writes 75% what he thinks, and then adds 25% sensationalism because he is a Page 2 writer who is forced to appeal to the common man, as opposed to say a Bradford Doolitle type writer?
And I am in no way trying to be antagonistic. I’m actually really curious what your thoughts are.
I guess the answer to my second question is kind of in your piece, so if I could rephrase...
2) What is your opinion of Simmons’ basketball knowledge, both historical and contemporary? If you look past the humor and nonsense, do you disagree with his core opinions?
I respect his level of commitment to the game. He's obviously a huge fan. You don't get to be as famous as he is by coasting, or by being an idiot.
Really, I do like him a fair amount. But I resist the idea that he, among others, pushes about the importance of intangibles. And I do think he is too narrative-based.
Does Dwight take plays off? Sure. So does everyone.
Show me a man (or woman) who does anything in life and I will show you one who has at one point or another not given their maximum effort 100% of the time. Has Simmons taken articles off? Has he mailed in a few? Yes, absolutely. He even did it for large portions of his book. That’s the thing about us humans, we can’t be perfect. We can’t give 100% effort on every single second of our lives in every single thing we do. If we did, we’d have an incredibly short lifespan.
To say that Dwight isn’t the MVP because Simmons didn’t feel compelled to go see him this year is dumb (and to be honest, contradictory. He wrote in his book that Dwight Howard is such a physical specimen that he is one of the only few humans on the planet that you want to see in person at every opportunity because he is so cartoon-like physically) and is quite petty. It isn’t that Dwight consistently takes plays off, because he doesn’t, it is that it seems like he has the potential to be even better. Scary, I know, but that is how I still view him. As incredibly talented as he is, I think he could be better. That isn’t to say that I am not ecstatic with his play or if he didn’t improve a little more that I wouldn’t think he is still one of the greatest players in the last quarter-century (if not ever) I just mean that it seems as though he can still get better.
All of that being said however, I don’t agree with Simmons that he doesn’t give his best effort or care only about his stats. He wants to get them, sure. Who has played a sport though and said to themselves, “man, I would really love to just be average today and not score a bunch of points and get a bunch of blocks/rebounds/assists/steals.” Nobody. If he does it inside the offense and does within the defensive scheme, there is absolutely nothing more you can ask of him, and he does exactly that.
Of course he has flaws, we all do, but nitpicking a guy who is quite literally one of the greatest centers of all time (Simmons even has him in the mid 80s on the “pyramid” already if I am not mistaken) is asinine. Saying he isn’t the MVP because “he isn’t a leader” (which he is) and because he blocks shots out of bounds is also dumb. That is the problem with Simmons article. He is wrong about nearly everything he wrote about Howard and the stuff he was correct about (the fact that he takes an occasional play off and blocking shots out of bounds) was presented in a poor and misleading manner to whit he claims as evidence of Dwight not caring about winning and being more about his stats, and that is wrong.
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
I think he should be the MVP.
My point is that it is ridiculous to see games where Dwight only has 8 rebounds. IN the Raptors game, there was a point where he had more blocks than rebounds. And yes, every human mails it in in whatever they do.
My point wasn’t to blindly defend Simmons. I attempted to paint Simmons’ viewpoint in a different light. Not that he always criticizes Dwight or only sees his flaws, BUT RATHER to say that he respects Dwight so much, that he expects even more. That is to say, he expects Dwight to be FAR AND AWAY the best player in the game. Something we all know he is capable of.
Let’s be real here. Because of his two-way impact, Dwight could and should be the MVP every year. I think he will get there, but he is not there right now. He should be this year’s MVP, but it is fair to say that there is a debate.
by TragicMatt on Apr 10, 2011 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I read his book.
It’s a funny read. It’s also about 150 pages too long.
He’s a good writer, and I like him. On this issue, however, he’s wrong, BECAUSE HE CANNOT PROVE OR SUSTANTIATE HIS ARGUMENT IN ANY WAY. AND NEITHER CAN YOU!
Is there one quote from another player, coach, or actual NBA associate that suggests that Dwight is taking possessions off? Just show me that – a quote from someone who actually plays the game, and I will concede that your argument has some merit. Until then, you’ve got no legitimate basis for drawing these conclusions-essentially, you are the same as the guy who maintains the world is flat because when he looks out the front door his lawn doesn’t curve.
Fortunately, the NBA has a well-tested quantitative formula for determining who the best team is. It's called "the playoffs." - Robert Silverman
Just to add some perspective...
Dwight Howard’s current numbers for the season of 23.1/14.1/2.4 would be the first time anyone has done that in 35 years and only the 3rd player to ever do it – with Kareem Abdul-Jabar and Bob MacAdoo the others.
I will never understand why the bar for Dwight to earn respectability is always so much higher than for any other player.
The plural of "anecdote" isn't "data."
by EnnBee on Apr 10, 2011 12:10 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Super Rec.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
I agree with you completely.
I read that Simmons piece, thought about writing about how wrong it was, and then thought, “what’s the point?” Howard’s greatness is so obvious that arguments like that aren’t even worth wasting the effort to contest.
I’ll never understand why, totally independent of what he does on the court, so many seem to have this preconceived notion that Dwight isn’t a great player or isn’t what he ought to be. As you say, though, it’s not my problem.
Simmons never says Dwight isn't a great player.
He says that he wants him to be even better. That is to say he wants him to be far and away the most dominant player in the league.
by TragicMatt on Apr 10, 2011 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He does not want that.
He does not like Dwight. He just does not. He just knows it’s foolish to say that he “can’t score 40 points on Yian Jianlian’s chair” now, so he has to come up with something else to criticize him for. He doesn’t criticize Rondo for barely scoring in double-digits, he doesn’t criticize Garnett for being a punk, he doesn’t criticize Pierce for being a drama queen. He criticizes Dwight for some unsubstantiate reason because he does not like him.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
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by slickw143 on Apr 10, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Look, I'm a basketball fan -- I want Dwight Howard to get there."
What more do you need to know that Simmons doesn’t hate Dwight. You hate Simmons.
I bought Simmons' book. I've read tons of his columns.
And with that information, I can tell you he does not like Dwight. He just is not open about it like he is with Kobe (which is “okay” since he’s a Celtics’ fan) or Vince (which is “okay” since everyone takes cheap shots at Vince). A “Look, I want Dwight Howard to get there” comment at the end of two long paragraphs does not cancel out the fact that the vast majority of the commentary was negative. Hell, he didn’t even talk at all about the team in general, just Dwight. He used an article that was advertised as a breakdown of each team as a way to criticize a player who is in the top 2 of many MVP lists.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
by slickw143 on Apr 10, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Whats funny is everyone who says Dwight would not survive in the 90's era of centers.
He was a better rebounder and defender than all of them. Dwight is the most underrated player in the league. And right behind him is LeBron. What is wrong with the media now and days?
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
you mean ~nowadays?
Free at last!
JJ sucks.
by TheGiantSquid on Apr 10, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
This, from nba.com's power rankings comments under the 11th ranked Magic:
“Derrick Rose is going to win the MVP. He’s had a great season and deserves recognition for the improvements he’s made and how he’s led the Bulls to the East’s best record. But the individual players who have truly been most valuable to their teams’ success are Dwight Howard and Dirk Nowitzki. No question.”
So there you have it. “Dwight Howard is the most valuable to his team’s success”. And, “Derrick Rose will win the MVP”.

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