Orlando Magic 101, Atlanta Hawks 76
by Evan Dunlap on Apr 27, 2011 1:15 AM EDT
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Faced with playoff elimination, the Orlando Magic responded with a 101-76 blowout of the Atlanta Hawks on Tuesday night, keeping their season alive and drawing to within one game of the Hawks, 3-2, in their best-of-seven series. Though only three Magic players finished in double-figure scoring, six more scored at least 7 points, which indicates the sort of balance with which the Magic dispatched the Hawks. Jason Richardson scored 17 points to lead Orlando, while J.J. Redick put in 11 of his 13 in the first period with Dwight Howard saddled with two personal fouls, giving the Magic all the separation they needed to keep Atlanta at bay.
The Hawks got 22 points and 11 rebounds from Josh Smith, both game-highs, but otherwise struggled on both ends of the floor. Jamal Crawford, the player who's tipped the balance in the Hawks' favor to date by scoring 20-plus points off the bench in each of the first four games, shot 2-of-8 for 8 points, with Orlando outscoring the Hawks by 30 points in the 25 minutes he was on the floor.
| Team | Pace | Efficiency | eFG% | FT Rate | OReb% | TO Rate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Hawks | 86 | 88.9 | 39.1% | 31.9 | 15.9 | 15.2 |
| Magic | 87 | 115.9 | 47.6% | 26.5 | 23.4 | 6.9 |
| Green denotes a stat better than the team's regular-season average; red denotes a stat worse than the team's regular-season average. | ||||||
Speaking of regression to the mean, Orlando finally managed to connect from the outside consistently. Two nights after setting a dubious record for three-point inaccuracy, it shot 11-of-26 from deep. The sorts of looks didn't change exactly--though the Hawks did have a nasty habit of leaving the corners open Tuesday, something they haven't done too often, which allowed Richardson to seam up the ball before firing in one fourth-quarter three--only the results did.
And Atlanta played the same sort of offense it has all series: heavy isolation with the occasional pick-and-roll. Smith did his best to exploit his athletic advantages over Hedo Turkoglu, resulting in a number of forays to the basket rather than settled-for jumpers, but his teammates did not share that mentality. Joe Johnson shot 2-of-12, and he took just two of those, by my unoffical tally, within 10 feet of the hoop.
Tonight's game represents what some folks expected might happen in this series: the Magic tear the Hawks apart with Howard inside and the three-point shooters outside, while Atlanta clanks jumper after jumper. That summation is a bit reductive, I admit, but when one considers the Magic's convincing sweep of the Hawks last season, as well as the Hawks' six-game losing skid to end the regular season and their negative point differential, it's not too terribly far off the mark.
But nobody could have counted on Orlando's unbearably bad three-point shooting to date, even accounting for the Hawks' fourth-ranked three-point defense. Nor could anyone have known Crawford would become the first reserve in six seasons to score 20-plus points in four straight games, or that Hedo Turkoglu would shoot worse than every volume-volume shooter since 1995. All those factors set the stage for the Magic fighting to stay alive Tuesday in just their fifth game this postseason.
The Magic got just 8 points, 8 boards, and 29 minutes tonight from Howard, who scored just one basket. They didn't need any more than that; in fact, they could have done with less.
But let me make this much clear: the pressure is still on the Magic. I've never bought the idea that the underdog, with a 3-2 lead heading back home for Game Six, faces more pressure knowing that, if they lose, they'll have to win a Game Seven on the road. I didn't believe it when Orlando was in this position against the Cleveland Cavaliers in 2009 and I don't believe it now. The Hawks have margin for error. They can afford to lose again, and the Magic cannot. Not to get all Mainstream Commentator on you, but Orlando has to put this game behind it as fast as possible and stay focused. And yes, I know there's nothing of substance, no insight, in the previous sentence.
There's another point I'd like to make, this one regarding the Hawks' attitude. In past years, they rolled over whenever trailing big against Orlando, probably because it happened so often. I didn't notice the same dynamic at play tonight. They didn't exactly dig deep and make a huge run or anything like that, but they didn't look bored or mopey, either.
In fact, they still had some fight in them. Zaza Pachulia, coming off a one-game suspension for head-butting Richardson in Game Three, intentionally fouled Howard from behind late in the third period, bringing both arms down on Howard's shoulders and making no attempt on the ball. It was a dirty foul which lead referee Joey Crawford decide was not worthy of a flagrant call, prompting a classic rant from Magic coach Stan Van Gundy in his post-game press conference.
I would list Hilton Armstrong's senseless foul given as the Magic tried dribbling the clock out to end the game, but really, that's not worth mentioning. I don't know why he gave it, but can only speculate he wanted the standing ovation at Amway Center to stop.
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Amazing what can happen after one game.
The Magic finally looked confident again. Hopefully that carries over on Thursday.
But you are absolutely right. The pressure is still on the Magic in Game 6. But if we can get that win, the pressure will be evened out for Game 7 which luckily will be in Orlando.
This reminds me a little bit of the Boston series last year. We had a blowout win in Game 5 at home. Hopefully we can capitalize on it in Atlanta and not fold like we did last year in Game 6. I feel it’s definitely possible though we haven’t won there all year. Gotta be a first for everything though right?
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
Loved the atmosphere tonight. First time I sat in the upper-upperbowl at Amway Center
And it might have been the loudest arena I’ve ever been in. You could tell that the crowd was just ready to explode when that first three dropped. This is the type of game I expected the Magic to play coming into the series, and I have no doubt we will see a similar type performance in game 6.
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Agreed
I was there, too. That’s what catharsis for 20,000 people felt like, and it felt good.
Gil really looked good last night
He has been really dialed in and driving to the basket but is by far more looking for his teammates. Also if you were at the game, not sure if you could see it on TV, you would have seen a dialed in Hedo, he was running the pnr great and was making great decisions, he played a great all around game
I'm sorry but I gotta disagree here
I was yelling at the TV for all the poor contested shots he was taking. Somehow most of them went in last night. Believe me its no coincidence that the Magic opened up a huge lead when he went to the bench.
Hedo has become a ball stopper and its KILLING us in this series
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by Souwantmyname on Apr 27, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually the Magic opened a huge lead once JJ went on fire.
Gil helped extend it. Then Hawks….became the Hawks and wilted. Gil played fine last night. Not great, but not terrible. Look he is a volume shooter. He is what he is. He had 4 rebounds and 4 assists. He played solid last night. Hedo has been awful this series. He just seems so lost. Hopefully we can find him.
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I actually thought Hedo looked better in this game than he had, but he couldn't stay on the floor with the fouls
Fingers crossed and beard still growing.
This game he played better.
But they were up big, so there was no pressure on him, get what I mean? Turk before would dominate if the Magic were losing. Hopefully his confidence comes back.
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I agree with that - but that seems to effect everyone on the roster
Also, Turk never really dominated that much. He could always make huge shots, and good plays, but even in the 2009 Finals run, he had quite a few bad games. In fact, in the ECF that year he had games of 4/11, 1/11, 5/13 and 3/12 with 17 turnovers (though he did a have 14 assist game when he shot 4/11).
But you are right, he did dominate when the Magic were losing. Unfortunately, his best scoring and shooting games (2 & 5) were the games the Magic ultimately lost.
Fingers crossed and beard still growing.
That is dominating without dominating
His decision making was pretty spot on during the playoffs run. Yes he had bad games, but in games Orlando had to have, he was very good.
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That is what I'm talking about. Finally, some freakin' balance !
And we can still do better than this. I know we all have flashes of the boston series but this is ATL, we can still do this.
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It was AWESOME finally seeing our offense in rhythm again...
…but the reason for the blowout was the tight D. Thank God we finally saw some people buy into tough defense!
Well it's about damn time
they started to make 3’s consistently. Let’s carry this good shooting into Atlanta fellas.
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Great game
This is the type of blowout win that we needed. And everybody who was struggling finally woke up, even Hedo Turkoglu. Hopefully we get Dwight more touches next game as well because we can’t over-rely on the 3 pointer and jump shot
by supermantotherescue on Apr 27, 2011 1:43 AM EDT reply actions
I was getting a little pissed about how 3 happy we were getting
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by Souwantmyname on Apr 27, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way, the caption should read:
Get some, Kirk.
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Also
Arenas had some amazing passes in the game (the one to Bass and Anderson come to mind) that shows he has better vision and playmaking skills at the PG position than Nelson…I’m not saying he should start over Nelson, but he’s proving he deserves more playing time,
by supermantotherescue on Apr 27, 2011 1:53 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It's a factor
but Nelson is still a very good player, but he’s a shoot-first pg and doesn’t have the playmkakingskills/vision that Arenas has.
by supermantotherescue on Apr 27, 2011 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm only 5'6 too
I have mad respect for a small guy like Nelson to ball it up like he does. But I love this Magic team, and from my eyes, I see that Arenas has the potential (if given enough minutes) to be an even better starting PG than Nelson
by supermantotherescue on Apr 27, 2011 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I really can't understand folks around here that, with everything going sideways for this team
for 4 games, all they can think is that Gil should get Nelson’s spot. As for the “more minutes” argument you should read RussL’s comment in E.D.‘s post “Gilbert Arenas has lost touch with reality.” BTW this season Gil has 3.9 APG with 2.5 TOs while Nelson has 6.0 APG to 2.6 TOs. I also think that Gi said himself earlier in the season that he doesn’t like playing PG mainly cause (and I’m paraphrasing) “he doesn’t like to play like the coach tells him to but rather in his way”. Kudos to Gil for showing up in last two games though, that is so nice of him.
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by 44792212 on Apr 27, 2011 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You don't believe
coming to a new team, with a coach who didn’t want to trade for you in the first place, would be easy for Gil? He was playing on tight leash all year long because Stan didn’t trust him, and I believe that caused Gilbert to play poorly.
Arenas averaged 17 and 7 before he was traded, and 23 and 7 last year before the suspension. That shows that he is capable of averaging more than 3.9 apg with consistent minutes, and more importantly, faith from his head coach.
And this is pure speculation, but I think Gilbert is going to work his ass off and try his best to prove that Otis was right all along. Otis gave him a second chance to play on a championship caliber team, and I doubt Gilbert will ever forget that (as goofy and stupid as he might sometimes act).
by supermantotherescue on Apr 27, 2011 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also
if you want to go by a larger sample, Arenas has put up better stats than Nelson, even post injury, with the exception to fg%
by supermantotherescue on Apr 27, 2011 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
One last post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYLkbahEOh0
That’s Gilbert from last year before the suspension. As much as I love Jameer, he can’t do those kinds of special plays that Arenas can. And this shows that Arenas is struggling because of adjusting to SVG, not because he’s a washed up loser.
by supermantotherescue on Apr 27, 2011 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions
It's up to Gil to earn SVG's trust not the other way around.
Highlights (as fun as they can be) aren’t really a good way to make a point.
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by 44792212 on Apr 27, 2011 6:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dont
Arenas has lost his speed and quickness due to his injury. I want him to develop a body like Jason Kidd and Chauncey Billups. If he cant beat his man off the dribble then he needs to be able to muscle his way in the paint
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by Souwantmyname on Apr 27, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He was averaging 17 and 7
On 39% shooting, 3.4 turnovers a game and just a 27% assist percentage. (For comparison, John Wall’s is 36%; Nelson nearly 34%.)
He averaged a lot of points because he took an awful lot of bad shots. He average a lot of assists because he threw the ball around, threw it away, and hogged it. He’s not good. Accept it.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 27, 2011 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dont think
you can average 7+ assists a game by just throwing the ball around. And he played on a Wizards team that had a horrible supporting cast the past two seasons, while Nelson has had Dwight Howard and a strong supporting cast.
He has more playmaking abilities than Jameer, which is what we need especially because he can make Dwight Howard better. To me, every time Arenas ran those pick and rolls with Dwight, it felt like something good would happen. And how can you deny his better passing abilities than Jameer? He had multiple all-star type passes tonite.
And I’m not saying we get rid of Nelson or bury him on the bench. I think Nelson is a big part of this team, but so is Arenas. I just think Arenas should play more minutes.
by supermantotherescue on Apr 27, 2011 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Arenas is a bum
John Wall posted much better numbers with the same Wizards supporting cast, and he was a rookie.
Nelson’s posted much better numbers with the same Magic players since Arenas joined Orlando. He’s just not very good. He gets numbers by hogging the ball, taking lots of bad shots, and turning it over. That simple.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 27, 2011 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he definitely
shoots a lot and turns the ball over, but thats because Washington depended on him to shoot over 20 shots a game. In Orlando, he will still chuck up bad shots now and then, but he won’t shoot us out of a game because he knows we have too much talent, and he can just defer if he’s cold.
In my opinion, he still has a lot of game left, and its more of a trust issue with SVG, than a lack of a talent, that is causing his struggles with the Magic
by supermantotherescue on Apr 27, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He won't shoot us out of a game, because SVG won't let Arenas get that far.
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Well he should
If he can let Hedo Turkoglu mess up two playoff games for us, and let him be inconsistent all season long, why can’t he do the same for Arenas and give him a chance?
by supermantotherescue on Apr 27, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Arenas can impact the game more
than Hedo could in my opinion…and he fulfill that playmaking guard role we’ve been looking for ever since Dwight got here
by supermantotherescue on Apr 27, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
No, he doesn't
Merely repeating something incorrect over and over does not make it true. Arenas is not a playmaker.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 27, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
yes!
let’s let the other guy screw it up, everyone deserves their chance to ruin things!
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He chucks up a bad shot every two minutes. That's more than "now and then"
And it sure doesn’t sound like he knows the Magic have a lot of talent. In the SLAM interview, he took credit for Anderson and Redick playing better. He thinks it’s all him.
But what if it was him.
i mean i’m not saying it’s true, but what if part of it was because of him. after what he did in game 4. he probably talked to j.j and anderson and gave them some confidence. because the talent they were showing before. i rather not ever see that again.
Why do you assume Gil had anything to do with it?
He’s claiming in the SLAM interview that Redick and Anderson’s good play this season is down to him, not their good play in Game 5 (which happened after the interview anyway).
Never mind that Redick’s actually statistically worse this season, and both of them were as good before Arenas ever got near Orlando.
There are a lot of leaders on the Magic – Howard, Nelson, van Gundy – but there’s no evidence that Arenas is one of them, apart from his own self aggrandising.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 28, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey eltharion_doa
why is it everytime something about Gil is said you have something negative to say about him. if he has a bad game it’s negative, a decent game it’s negative, a good game it’s negative, or a great game it’s negative. what’s your deal with him?
He has killed the cap situation for Orlando
Also, do you see what he says sometimes??? Some can blow it off, others do not appreciate it. Also he has played terribly about 95% of the time. I go a little easy on him, because I honestly believe he is mentally shot. He needs to be rebuilt. However I really wish it was not at the expense of the Orlando Magic and probably Dwight leaving.
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I don't
I applauded him after his game 4.
But I generally correct anything people say that’s wrong about him. (Or anybody else.) The problem is that people use one good appearance – or often one good factor of an otherwise bad appearance! – to claim he can be the difference, or he’s still got it, or he should be starting.
If people just said “nice to see Gil play well” that’s fine. “ZOMG GIL SHOULD START BEST PLAYER EVER HE’D SCORE 50-20-20 IF HE STARTED”? No.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 28, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont believe
Jamison was playing with him last year as he was traded to Cleveland before Gilbert returned from suspension. I’m not sure when Butler got traded too to Dallas, but I don’t think Arenas had him either last year.
by supermantotherescue on Apr 27, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole reason Washington had their fire sale was because Arenas got suspended!
He’s the reason management blew everything up and dumped salary
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Yes I agree
he messed up by doing a stupid act, and then mocking what he did during his pre-game dance routine. But he seems like he’s sorry for what he did, and served his time.
And Washington blew up their team more because they knew they would get John Wall, and that the current Wizards team (when it had Arenas, Jamison, and Butler) wasn’t going to do anything.
by supermantotherescue on Apr 27, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
How did they know they were going to get John Wall?
There’s no way you can make that statement. At the time of the suspension/trades, Wall was only half way through his freshman year at college. It was obvious he’d be a high pick, but no guarantee that he’d come out and declare. What if he got injured? What if he decided to stay at Kentucky another year? Most importantly what if the Wiz didn’t get the first pick, even with the worst record in the league?
They traded Arenas this year because they already had Wall and saw his potential in a limited sample of games, but to say that the Wiz traded Butler, Haywood, and Jamison because they knew they were getting Wall is foolish.
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rec'd
I was thinking of the same post by RussL as well. Thanks.
I get it for now but...
It’s really good to see Gil finally doing something other than pulling splinters out of his butt and show some hope for the future. I like Gil and think if he can just step it up a little more people will really be dragging the nelson vs. arenas argument out again (I would like to see how they play over a longer stretch than this post season before making any real judgments though). While I don’t anticipate him keeping this up this post-season, I think he may very well work as hard as he ever has in the off season and we can come to expect this, and maybe even more next season (hopefully!).
by travell7288 on Apr 27, 2011 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
Arenas and Nelson are very similar playmakers. Neither are pass first point guards. And Nelson’s a much better scorer than Gil.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 27, 2011 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Arenas shot 11 times in 22 minutes. If he's not shoot-first, who is?
by Evan Dunlap on Apr 27, 2011 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rondo, Nash, Paul, and Williams are the only non shoot first PG's in the league.
Why doesn’t anyone else see this?? Maybe Eric Maynor as well.
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Gilber Arenas: Best player ever to wear the No.1 shirt for the Magic.
Yep, I said it!
Of course, behind Penny, T-Mac and Rafer Alston.
xD
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by North of the South on Apr 27, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
That works, too.
Remember the time he slapped Eddie House upside the head?
No one can forget that.
The Youtube video with the funky music is worth a look. :)
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by North of the South on Apr 27, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Rafer Alston is my icon
*literally
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by Souwantmyname on Apr 27, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I take it back!
Like we say in Puerto Rico: “La abuela del que hable mal de Redick!!!”
There…
There is no direct translation of THAT in the English language.
It looks like meat is back on the menu, boys!!! GO MAGIC!!!
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by AB's triple double on Apr 27, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
My translation: "The house of the what language is bad of Redick"
………… yeaaah I think I need Rosetta stone
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by Souwantmyname on Apr 27, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
My question is
Why is your grandmother talking bad about the man?
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by Sir Lawrence J on Apr 27, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Not two to go? Lol. Amway Arena will be so loud if there’s a Game 7.
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The Magic had a 24 second violation in the final couple minutes so they had 6 turnovers total
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by Mike from Illinois on Apr 27, 2011 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Duhon got in trouble on that one
but they were trying to run down the clock and got in trouble late, so I can’t complain too much.
Great job of taking care of the ball from the Magic
The six Magic turnovers sets an all time franchise record for the fewest turnovers in a playoff game.
The 14 points from J.J. Redick ties for the fourth most points in a playoff game in his career.
An outstanding first quarter by the Magic, setting the tone for the game; even though the Magic shot just 9 of 24 (37.5%) from the field, they outscored Atlanta 26-13 and held the Hawks to 3 of 19 (15.8%) shooting in the first.
Atlanta guards Joe Johnson and Jamal Crawford combined to shoot 4 of 20 for 13 points.
Dwight Howard’s one field goal ties his career-playoff low for fewest field goals in a game, but his teammates sure made up for Dwight’s lack of scoring.
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by Mike from Illinois on Apr 27, 2011 4:25 AM EDT reply actions
And 7 of their 13 first quarter points came at the free throw line.
Still, great stats.
Fingers crossed and beard still growing.
Maybe more recent than I thought but...
Anyone know when the last time JJ played in a game and did NOT attempt a 3 PT FG? Seems rare to me.
Nov 20, 2010
@ Indiana.
Scored 3 free throws, missed two 2 pt shots. Didn’t attempt a three.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 27, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry but I must disagree
" I didn’t notice the same dynamic at play tonight. They didn’t exactly dig deep and make a huge run or anything like that, but they didn’t look bored or mopey, either."
ATL mailed this one in, right around the middle area of the 2nd quarter.
Early in the 3rd Matty G. even noted on his commentary that ATL was playing with house money with the effort they were (not) displaying last night.
Now, is Atlanta a good enough team to be affording nights off? That’s a whole nother debate. My answer: No, and they will look back on Game 5 as to why they lost this series if it does happen.
But ATL had the exact look last night of the team that got swept 4-0 in the second round last year.
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This is in no way to take away what the Magic did last night
It’s easy to make ATL mail it in if you’re the Magic: just play your game. They hate when a team gets the 3 ball falling against them. It demoralizes their squad.
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Of course Joey Crawford wouldn't think Zaza's foul on Dwight was a flagrant.
Zaza’s one of the dirtiest players in the league and gets away with so much crap.
We need an enforcer to start hacking away at the Hawks to see how they like it.
by INTOTHEMEATGRINDER on Apr 27, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha yes
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Apr 27, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Dwight will ever get a fragrant called in his favor for a long time.
by INTOTHEMEATGRINDER on Apr 27, 2011 9:07 AM EDT reply actions
They don't call fragrant fouls very often.
He might get a flagrant at some point though though.
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Dwight never gets flagrants when people abuse him
it’s really starting to get frustrating for him. If dwight did what Zaza did to him they would have quickly called a flagrant on him.
Stan's reply about the flagrant fouls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65xarpYPgvw&feature=player_embedded
I love how he ended his interview :D
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Absolutely priceless.
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I was planning on going to a concert on Thursday night, but luckily I'll be sitting at home for this game now.
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by AB's triple double on Apr 27, 2011 10:04 AM EDT reply actions
I, unfortunately, am going to a concert on Thursday night.
Even worse, I’ll be driving from Orlando to Tampa for it, so I’m not going to be able to check out any of the game, except for the next day on my DV-R. I’m devastated.
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I hope you are
By that I mean I hope you miss a fantastic Magic game! (i.e. I hope the Magic pull off the win).
I am made of bits of real panther so you know I'm good.
I'll make that sacrifice if it means the team does play great.
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Well, that was nice.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 27, 2011 10:10 AM EDT reply actions
Hey, you gotta give credit where credit's due.
We’ve killed them for four games, we have to praise them when they have a game like that. Even Gilbert played well enough to be an NBA player.
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Gil had some great passing and no turnovers
but he’s still jacking up too many bad shots early in the clock when he’s covered. All in all I think he had a good game though.
Haha, I didn't mean that sarcastically.
It really was nice to see the team finally play well and make shots. Finally.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 27, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve stayed away from this blog since Sunday cause I was sick of reading the fire Otis, & Stan, why did we trade Shard and Dwight is leaving cries over the weekend and probably figured they would have increased ten fold over the last two days. I hope this victory puts an end to all that worrying and reminds readers just what this team is capable of.
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I still want Otis fired :)
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Apr 27, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine…you have your reasons…I’m just sick of the knee jerk doom and gloom reactions. Players play afterall. If someone is going to call for Otis or Stan’s head it shouldn’t be directly related to the players not executing. And Otis trading for Gil is not a good enough reason. It’s not like Otis had a chance to get Amar’e but wouldn’t part with J.J. Hickson (I’m talking to you Danny Ferry and Dan Gilbert).
Not enough is said about how Dwight was practically Otis’ partner in crime in those mid season trades. Don’t fool yourselves guys, Dwight has veto and suggestive power…as jacked up as that might be…he does. And afterall, I also think Dwight is man enough to realize some of the moves he might have vouched for didn’t work out. So he knows the org hasn’t left him out to dry. There’s just more to it than meets the eye imo.
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Whew
We needed that blowout badly. The players needed the confidence boost. The fans needed it to keep the hope alive.
Great, great win. If we can just eke out a win at Atlanta I think we will take the series.
Its obvious the difference in fans between Atl. and Orl.
The Magic fans come out in full force and cheered their arse’s off when they had no reason to. Hopefully we get a quick lead tomorrow and take Atl.’s fair weather fans out of it
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Apr 27, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Atlanta's fans do not scare me
If there was any playoff team to lose home court to, I’d take Atlanta.
Its not the fans its the Atl. players using the energy from the fans to play hard
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Apr 27, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I expected this victory if our shots fell. J.J.'s big time return gives more assurances of shooting slump to have come to an end.
But a rout, considering the prior history of ATL, shifts all pressure to them since the seeds of doubt are planted deeply in their minds. In my view, an early quick start with the type of defensive intensity Magic is capable of, or a run in the 4th quarter would deject them on Thursday. For a game 7 in Orlando, they have no shot in hell of winning. But first things first … I expect the coach to give the players a day off – although they did not pile up extended minutes – and on Thursday to have just a shooting practice to keep the shooters sharp … all other aspects of the gameplan are set with no need for adjustment.
One last note without getting into the details … ATL’s so-called gameplan for sticking with Magic’s shooters have opened out plenty of opportunities for driving to the basket by just about everybody, even those who are not typically attacking the basket. What it does is when time after time Magic gets to the basket with ease, ATL would be forced to step back from the shooters which should open up the shooting opportunities … ATL has to pick their poison.
You don’t want to be in a position to go on a run in the 4th to win Game 6 imo. That game will have to be won in the first half. The Magic can’t let ATL feel like they are still in this series.
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What do you think will happen in Game 6?
It really depends on Orlando. If they come out as gang bangers and drop three 3’s, I think Atlanta wilts and crumbles. If Orlando comes out and can not make three’s again, it will be a struggle. Agree?
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I somewhat agree
Orlando needs to hit its threes, but getting to the rim, like they did in game 5, is more important (especially Turk, JRich, and Arenas). The Hawks game plan for Orlando (in the regular season and playoffs) has been to guard the 3 point line. They’ve been successful, forcing the extra pass late in the clock or contesting the shot. I’m not sure if this has been the main cause of the Magic’s woeful percentage from 3 in this series, but I think its reasonable to say it’s had some effect. In game 5, you saw the Magic make a conscious effort to attack the basket. This helped us get the line and also seemed to open up the 3. If we can score points at a reasonable clip like in game 5 and play ridiculous lock-down D (like in game 5), we can certainly win game 6 easily. It also doesn’t hurt that when you get the Hawks down, they fold quicker than (insert your favorite metaphor here).
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by TheOtherWhiteMeat on Apr 27, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
than the Altanta Journal-Constitution.
"Basketball is a team game. But that doesn't mean all five players should have the same amount of shots." - Dean Smith
by Redfield on Apr 27, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah I agree Mateo and TheOther. You guys are both right. They need to hit the 3s early on or they could be scared back into a slump. What they have going for them is the Hawks’ fickle mindset. Remember this team was living off their 6th man…so it’s not like they could have been super thrilled with their victories in Gm 3 of 4. So once the 3 balls drops early it could put ATL into hesitation mode (which is a good thing). But they have to attack the hoop. The Hawks are leaving the paint wide open and Gil exploited that in Game 4. Last night, I didn’t get the feeling they exploited it early on and once the shots started falling there wasn’t really a need to exploit it. But taking it inside is a sure fire plan if the shots don’t drop like they want them too. So its a couple of factors…but most importantly is playing smart and dominating in the first half. The Magic absolutely have to scare the Hawks into thinking the team from last year is back. You guys get what I’m saying?
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I'm thinking the same.
Last night, it was Arenas running the pick-n-roll with Bass; Redick doing it with Q.Rich; dishing out to Anderson too! There is no reason why Turk can do this with Howard and Anderson ad nauseam…
The only one who does’n seem to “get it” is Nelson: I really think he’s too short to see others open up! It seems like 90% of his penetrations are for himself…
Regardless… if we keep making baskets at a 43-45% and 3-pointers near 40, we’ll roll over them at Atlanta. GO MAGIC!
Strange that the "too short" guy who can't see others get open
Has more assists per 36 minutes than any of the alternatives. But sure, it’s Nelson who doesn’t “get it”.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 27, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Bulls fan here.
I haven’t been following your series, but I’m surprised that Orlando is struggling. Do you think it’s just a fluke, one team going cold and the other getting hot? Or is Atlanta doing something special? Are you all confident Orlando will pull it out?
I think most Bulls fans are rooting for Atlanta because they think the Bulls match up better against the Hawks, but I am rooting for the best team to win. I don’t want any cheap wins for the Bulls. Are you all confident that Orlando is the best team?
Seriously
The Hawks played a terrific Game 1. Outside of that they have been terrible. The story of this series is how terrible Orlando has been shooting. I mean 2 for 23??? At minimum Orlando should make at least 6 or 7. Open shots are not going in. Since the second quarter of Game 2, Orlando has locked down Atlanta. The Magic have been just awful shooting the ball.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
by Mateo9399 on Apr 27, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks.
During the season the Hawks seemed extremely inconsistent, capable of beating a great team one game and then losing badly to a bad team the next. In a seven game series, that inconsistency should come back to haunt them. But then Orlando’s reliance on 3 point shooting is also a weakness, because shooting percentages from that distance are extremely variable, even for good shooters. Still, my judgment was that Orlando is the better team. The thing is, Orlando has to win two, and Atlanta only has to win one. It’s a short series now, and Atlanta could still get lucky.
Shooting percentages for entire teams being that far off is not sustainable.
John Hollinger posted last night that according to teamrankings.com, the odds of the Magic shooting as poorly as they did from 3 for the first four games were 1 in 300… That’s just unbelievable.
It’s also unbelievable how well Crawford was shooting from 3 himself. As Mateo said above, the Hawks played great in Game 1. The rest of the games they have been terrible, but have been bailed out by the Magic missing open look after open look and Crawford and Joe Johnson hitting ridiculous buzzer-beating shots each game.
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That seems suspicious to me.
Odd things happen all the time over a short series of games. Maybe the odds of this specific phenomenon are 1 in 300, but the odds that something unusually bad would happen — bad foul shooting, bad rebounding, high turnover rate, good players getting into foul trouble — may be much greater than that.
The 1 in 300 is just simple math.
If a player hits 40% from 3 point range and goes 0 for 5, the odds of that happening are about 7.7%. The odds of them making 5 in a row are about 1%. You can look at every player on the team’s season shooting percentage from deep and compare it to how they actually shot and see what the overall likely hood is.
As for the other things, shooting is generally the one that players specifically have the least control over. Yes, you can get odd bounces on rebounds, strange turnovers, etc., but the percentages are much more visible, readily available, and semi-independent factors (not really, but seemingly so).
Fingers crossed and beard still growing.
I'm not questioning the math.
I’m questioning the unspoken implication (or perhaps the unintended inference) that because Orlando had a 1 in 300 chance of missing that many 3s, they also had a 1 in 300 chance of losing those games.
Welcome to our post, Tim.
As you said, 3-point shooting can be a weakness. This series SEEMS to prove the point; but not quite!
What we had here was a slump, and great shooters, like J.Rich, Anderson and Redick bounce back from such slumps fairly quickly. And it’s highly contagious too… either way! Maybe the Magic won’t shoot 11 3-pointers next time (although that WAS our average this season), but it’s also unlikely that we’ll shoot 2 of 23 again… the Magic are just not THAT bad! Remember game 4? If we shoot just 4 out of 23… we win that game.
Another thing we found out, also works against Atlanta. If they stick to the perimeter shooters, the Magic will feast on the pick-n-roll, driving all the way to the basket for easy lay ups, a foul, or just passing it to a cutting partner, much like JJ and Arenas did all night long yerterday.
Don’t get me wrong: Atlanta has a plan, and it worked for them in game 1. Games 3 and 4, the Magic just shot horribly… and with plenty of GOOD looks too!
But every plan has a weakness; theirs is the pick-n-roll penetration by the perimeter shooters. It opens up multiple avenues of attack…
Thanks for the welcome.
I was here briefly before the playoffs began, attempting to politely discuss the MVP race. I appreciate your courtesy.
That’s interesting about the pick and roll. I’m guessing it works better, though, when Hinrich is out and Crawford is in. I’m also guessing it works better after some success from the three-point range forces the defenders to guard the line.
I always admired the way Brad Miller managed to use three point shooting and upfakes to get improbable lay-ups. Nash, too. But you have to make the other team respect the threes first.
I don't view it as a weakness.
When they rush their 3’s and do not get them through the offense, that is when they become a problem. It is a little scary, because a couple guys have quick triggers. When the Magic play stupid(rush their 3’s or rely too much on Dwight) they are a terrible team. When they run their offense the way it should be, they are literally impossible to beat. The problem is they usually play so frentic sometimes they sabotage themselves. Like Simmons said, they are an enigma. When they play their game, no one can beat them. And I mean even if another team plays their best. Like the Celtics best game vs the Magic’s best game, Orlando is better. Same against the Bulls or Lakers. The only team I don’t think they can beat if both teams play their best is Miami. That’s it. But the Magic sometimes play either too many 3’s or too Dwight dependent.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
That's the point about variability.
Offense is more variable than defense, especially from the three point line. Thus Orlando has higher highs and lower lows than the Bulls, who rely more on defense. If Orlando could play at its highest level all the time, then yes, they would be unstoppable — but that’s just not going to happen.
Orlando is actually more defensive minded then people think
Since SVG has been here they have had in order a top 10, Number 1, Number 1, and Number 3 defense. This is a defensive team first. They just score their points via three’s and shots close at the rim. Even this team. As offensive minded as the players are, they are a better defensive team then they were offensive. It’s only the next season do people realize how great defensively they actually are.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
That’s why I have no problems with SVG staying on as coach. I think its a good system to design around Dwight. And a coach that strives to excel in defense like Stan does it hard to find. Its cliche, but defense wins championships.
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The thing is Orlando had been shooting bad the 2pt shots too, not just the 3pters.
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by North of the South on Apr 27, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Balance Balance Balance
Boy i’ve haven’t been so happy to have j.j back. He’s finally awaken..the shots went in. 1st quarter breakout. no playing catch-up. no lucky shots made. not too much of relying on Dwight. the next question is can we do it again.
Why not?
After all, it just ONE game. The game in Atlanta is the key. We win there and the series is over for them.
For the Magic, this means we have to win two straight games. This is very plausible; take into account: This is NOT Boston, or the Lakers we’re taking on here! Atlanta has lucked out; they have overachieved. Regardles of the record so far… they are NOT a better team than the Magic! Maybe… that’s why they call it an upset???
Yes… we can certainly do it again… IF we play consistent the rest of the way.
I didnt get to watch the game
I was just wondering, did Arenas consistently drive to the hole and miss gimmees or did he jack up long jumpers? 4 of 11 isn’t a very good shooting night.
by Coolio12 on Apr 27, 2011 11:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
a little of both
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by North of the South on Apr 27, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this is a case where the stats...
don’t tell the whole story. He was good when it counted. He had some nice passes in the PnR and got to the rim a few times. A few of his misses came in garbage time on shots late in the clock. At that point though the Magic had won and just wanted to run clock.
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by TheOtherWhiteMeat on Apr 27, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
More than his shooting %, I was pleased to see he had no TOs and 4 assists.
That was a little miracle right there.
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by North of the South on Apr 27, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
He jacked up quite a few shots early in the shot clock
I was there – yes he was good at times, and made a few good passes, but there is no way he should think of himself as teh number one, two or three scoring options. He took more shots (11) than anyone except for JRich. Way too much jacking the ball up based on his poor shot selection and low FG%. Just sayin
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Typical Gil
Some good, some bad, can’t shoot.
As others have said, the (lack of) turnovers are the key between him being awful, and just being Gil.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 27, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Still alive!
Loved the fact that they were trying to put Collins in more Pick and Roll situations and he failed miserably. I liked JJ before, but the black armband just makes him look more like an NBA player. I like watching the Bass vs Horford matchup; Horford is a much better player but Bass seems up to it the challenge (the blocked shot on the fadeaway an example).
Great game. Lets get this win on Thursday!
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Glad there was a bit of a return to normalcy there.
Now, we just need to have a game that’s the opposite of the first four games in the series to actually make the series average closer to normal. 11-27 is not some otherwordly performance from 3 for the Magic, yet we still blew them out. I’m looking for a 14-26 performance or something like that in Game 6, and we’d win by 35. Or not, but it’s nice to think about.
Really, everyone on the team who got meaningful minutes besides Hedo played well last night. I thought Arenas was good, with the exception of a few rushed shots. JJ ignited the team in a tough situation like Game 2, and not-coincidentally we won both games. I think we really need for him to keep it up.
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Utter Domination
If Dwight & Co. can run train on the Hawks like they did last night, they should be able to at least pull out a close win in Atlanta. After all those two losses were by a combined seven points, and included a last-second shot from Jamal Crawford. Last night, the entire Magic team was on a totally different level. They beat the Hawks in shooting percentage from the floor, downtown, and the free throw line. They had more rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks. There’s no way to lose playing like that. Check out the stats:
Bought my tickets to Game 7 already.
I’ll see Josh Smith and Co. there.
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J.J. is the man!
I confess. I haven’t given Redick enough credit for his skills, but is he the x-factor that will pull the Magic through Round 1?
Saw this photo on TBJ
I bet Squid is jealous.
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by 44792212 on Apr 27, 2011 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Nope. Rule 56(b)(viii) states: No flagrants fouls will be called on Dwight Howard. It’s right below the rule about how Lakers are always supposed to shoot more free throws than their opponent in the 4th quarter of a closeout game or in a Game 6 of a series they are losing.
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You folks know that I am not a fan of the cursing in general
but this picture demands:
HOLY F#$KING S$#T WHAT THE H#$L IS THAT?!?!?!?!
Is it basketball or mixed-martial arts?!?! That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen – honestly, it’s like the three kids hanging on to the giant running back as he saunters into the end-zone, because the running back has been held back for four years and is the only 14-year old in the sixth grade.
Fouling a guy is one thing . . . double-teaming a guy like Dwight, I get it . . . but giving the guy a forceful colonoscopy every time he goes up for a shot? C’mon, people.
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My avatar.
The NBA says my avatar is not a flagrant foul. When Howard fouls players like this he gets T'd up.
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Great win!
For me the turning point was when Dwight went out in the first quarter and Bass started playing aggressive on both ends. He was taking it to the hole and that just demoralized the hawks defenders. He drew fouls and was making foul shots. It also opened up three pointers for the shooters. Then JJ took over.
Looking forward to an even better performance in game 6.
Let's win Thursday then it's ours till then let's hope for the best.
NETS BASKETBALL.. WHERE THE NETS IS BACK!!!
No way, No how................
There is no way, no how the Magic can beat the Hawks in their own building, yesterday game was just a relaxing game and a practice game for Atl, tomorrow night they will show up the real Hawks super team…..and by the way; Magic fans please enjoy Dwight Howard’s final game in the Magic uniform…Bye bye Dwight hahahahahahaha.
did u literally copy & paste your comment from the other thread?
Genius.
The NBA says my avatar is not a flagrant foul. When Howard fouls players like this he gets T'd up.
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