Atlanta Hawks 88, Orlando Magic 85
by Evan Dunlap on Apr 25, 2011 6:03 AM EDT
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The Orlando Magic shot 2-of-23 on three-pointers, the worst high-volume mark in NBA Playoff history, in falling to the Atlanta Hawks, 88-85, Sunday evening. The Magic return to Orlando for Tuesday's Game Five facing elimination as Atlanta now owns a commanding 3-1 lead in the series.
Once again, reserve guard Jamal Crawford led the charge for Atlanta, scoring 25 points in 33 minutes. And once again, the Magic had long stretches of offensive futility due to turnovers and poor shooting. Quentin Richardson sank the Magic's first three-point attempt of the game, but the team went on to miss 18 in a row before Gilbert Arenas flung one in drifting to his left, just trying to draw a cheap foul.
Trailing by three and with 10.5 seconds remaining, the Magic put the ball in Hedo Turkoglu's hands and asked him to create a tying shot off the dribble. It didn't go as planned. Trapped by Al Horford along the right sideline, Turkoglu lost control of the ball. He recovered it off the floor--just barely beating Horford to it--took a few dribbles to his right, and launched a three that hadn't a prayer. He was fortunate to even get it off; Horford, recognizing the time-and-score situation, gave several fouls that went uncalled on the play, but the officials laid off the whistle.
| Team | Pace | Efficiency | eFG% | FT Rate | OReb% | TO Rate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Magic | 82 | 103.7 | 40.5% | 26.6 | 21.3 | 15.9 |
| Hawks | 82 | 107.3 | 50.7% | 16.0 | 17.9 | 19.5 |
| Green denotes a stat better than the team's regular-season average; red denotes a stat worse than the team's regular-season average. | ||||||
There were few new developments in this game. The Magic still have to:
Make shots;
contain Crawford;
contain Joe Johnson;
and take care of the ball.
About all that's changed is the sudden emergence of Arenas, who had, at least on this night, the look of a useful NBA player again. Arenas earned a Did Not Play-Coach's Decision in Game Three as coach Stan Van Gundy called on Turkoglu to play point forward, but he elected to give Arenas a go tonight. The Magic's big-name midseason acquisition delivered, to a degree, pouring in 20 points in 22 minutes, the sort of high-pressure outing Magic fans had hoped for. Only he and Dwight Howard (a game-high 29 points) could score consistently.
And while Arenas used 18 shooting possessions to get those points, the manner in which he scored has to be encouraging. No, he didn't regain the jets that made him one of the league's toughest covers in his prime; he just drove to the basket against soft interior defense off screen-and-roll plays. Instead of hanging around on the perimeter and taking contested jumpers off the screens, he came around them hard, with his head down, and every intention to get all the way to the rim. That's what we need to see more of from him.
I understand that I've buried the lede a bit here, that talking about Gilbert Arenas scoring 20 off the bench when the Magic went down into a deep, discouraging, 3-1 hole to a team such as Atlanta is the blogging equivalent of putting lipstick on a pig. Believe me, I get that. But, given how the game transpired as a sort of parody of the two previous Magic losses in the series, there's not a lot left to go on. We'll eulogize the Magic at the proper time, which is to say we'll eulogize them when they're eliminated. That's not here quite yet, but it can be as soon as Tuesday if Orlando doesn't correct those issues outlined above.
But really, a lot of their problems come down to missing shots they normally make. Van Gundy and his brother Jeff, also a member of the coaching fraternity, like to say, "it's a make or miss league." In this series, Crawford and the Hawks have made shots; apart from Howard, Arenas, and Quentin Richardson (61.2 percent), the Magic have not. Their teammates stand at 30.4 percent, including a staggering 16.7 percent from Turkoglu, who will need a gangbusters Game Five to avoid finishing the playoffs with a shooting percentage above the Mendoza Line.
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Somebody needs to step up ASAP.. this is kinda getting ridiculous now.
by INTOTHEMEATGRINDER on Apr 25, 2011 6:17 AM EDT reply actions
sombody needs to go back in a time machine and stop Otis from making those trades!!!
Anyone know where to get a delorean and some plutonium?
We need a Jameeracle
My sig says it all
And I 100% agree.
Never felt good about this team after the trades.
"the Magic also are a lot different than they were a year ago ... almost entirely for the worse." - John Hollinger
by magicboi407 on Apr 25, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
The team before the trades?
It was pretty much the same squad from last year, however everyone was playing at all time lows… kind of how this team is playing right now in this series.
But this team is WAY too inconsistent, more so than any SVG team in Orlando I can remember. This team is looking reminiscent of the Brian Hill teams (and no, not the mid 90s Brian Hill teams) that got worked by Detroit in the first round.
"the Magic also are a lot different than they were a year ago ... almost entirely for the worse." - John Hollinger
by magicboi407 on Apr 25, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll be surprised and very disappointed if the Magic don't come out attacking the basket on tuesday
This is it, back against the wall. Turkoglu, Anderson, Redick, and Richardson all need to work with Jameer on penetrating the defense and kicking it out only if the help defense comes. We need to make crawford and johnson burn some energy on the defensive end. I’d also love to see more pick and roll with Dwight catching lobs.
This game could determine the next few years of our beloved franchise.
Orlando Magic. Oregon Ducks. Seattle Mariners. Jacksonville Jaguars.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they play just like they always have.
Watch, SVG won’t make ay adjustments.. He’s gonna bet that the shots will go down this time.
Well.....
prepare yourself to be surprised and disappointed, this team is done.
We need a Jameeracle
Trust me. Not to sound negative, excuse me, but I been prepared to get knocked out in the first round.
I’m not gonna sit here and just rely on stats.. I knew the Hawks were capable of beating us in this first round. Said it before, and got dissed.
Do I really want it to happen, NO. Will it, quite possibly.
The worst thing the Magic can possibly do is what they continue to do
It’s like I’m watching the ECF from last year against Boston all over again. Jog down the court, dump it into Howard AT ALL COSTS in the post. Watch him dribble dribble drible post-move shot attempt. Then randomly heave bad threes.
Where are the Pick-N-Rolls??
Seriously all the Magic need to do is run the high P-n-R with Hedo/Dwight every single play and either have Hedo lay it up or lob it to Howard. The result would be one of three every time: A score, a foul, or a score and foul.
"the Magic also are a lot different than they were a year ago ... almost entirely for the worse." - John Hollinger
by magicboi407 on Apr 25, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah you're right
It gets annoying as hell. All the ball movement that happens is happening to get Dwight isolated in the post. And you know the rest of that story. There’s the need of motion offense, stuff without the ball and so on, which is not happening right now.
I have been saying that for the longest.
Someone cut to the basket, some give and gos, pick and rolls. All this camping around the 3 isn’t working. Look it got us there in 09, but teams have adjusted to it and the offense has got to have a change up.
Live, Laugh, Love
Just look at that alley-oop from Arenas to Dwight
How did that happen? Take that sample and clone it the whole game long.
LOL yeah or that
"the Magic also are a lot different than they were a year ago ... almost entirely for the worse." - John Hollinger
Bad call
To give Turk the ball on the last play. He has played poorly all series, and even though he is 6-10 and can get his shot on anyone, I still feel that Jameer is the better choice. Yes he did struggle this game too but not for 4 games.
As the final 5 were being played, I felt like we were playing very similar to the Bulls. Slow starts, offensively challenged, 1 star. Both teams come back…but one big difference. Rose can always have the ball in his hands. He doesn’t need anyone to feed it to him. Dwight is great but you need a star wing player to get you points at the end of games or to create shots for others. I think we are the only team in the playoffs without a player like that.
Im having a hard time believing we will “make shots” 3 games in a row. I think we are good for 2 (I hope!!). I think we will have another close game in this series. And it kills me that our allstar can’t get the ball in those situations.
1 more thing, I hate Crawford sooo much.
by RememberTmac on Apr 25, 2011 7:08 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Nelson's not tall enough
He can’t shoot over people, really. I’m not saying he can’t make the shot – and, given Turk’s utter failure of performance this series, maybe even a bad Nelson shot is better than a good Turk one – but you just can’t expect a 6’ PG with average athleticism to get the final shot of most games.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember that funny video with SVG's reactions each time Hedo was making a three
when he was rolling some months back ? I think that Stan is really going to kill him by the end of this series.
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
Nelson is the same height as Chris Paul.
Just saying height shouldn’t be an end all to who shoots last shot.
by RememberTmac on Apr 25, 2011 9:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Chris Paul is a *lot* quicker
He can get seperation much more easily than Nelson.
And David West did most of New Orleans’ “closing” before he was injured, precisely because his height allowed better shots.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait SVG draws up a play for Jameer.
He executes and wins the game, and it is a bad coaching decision?
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Man lets just leave it at that.
I get it bro. Magic are terrible. I am not going to get into a pissing contest.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Trevor Ariza has sunk game winners before
Doesn’t mean he’s better at it than Carmelo Anthony.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Such a pain losing to this team.
As good as Dwight is and Gil finally making something happen, I thought it was mostly the Hawks that let us back in the game. Can we please have at least one good game ?
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
I know. We had momentum going, tied the game up, than SVG makes substitutions.
To me this was a critical win and I would’ve rode those hands til the end. Left Gil at point and kept Turk on the bench. As soon as Hedo returned I saw him pick up to fouls and turn the ball over and led to a 4 point swing in Hawks favor.
Live, Laugh, Love
Live and die by the 3
Bad time to have a shooting slum. If the shots were falling, we win by 20 points both of the last 2 games. Keep throwing them up there either they will start dropping or not…keep letting the 3 rip!
2010 was like rubbing out an easy one with steel wool and crest toothpaste. . .PAINFUL!
Soon the Matty's will be happening and I will not even get a mention! However, I bring the highest level of conversation to this site...WTF?
Live by the 3? has not seen that happen this series
and players were also missing other shots. Turk did drive to the rim, and then missed layups.
and got nailed with a charge!
The 3 is Orlando, you may not like it but its a fact. 23 attempted 3’s…you’re right the Magic have suddenly changed into a lane driving team. If they do try and change it up now…Atlanta had really gotten into their heads!
2010 was like rubbing out an easy one with steel wool and crest toothpaste. . .PAINFUL!
Soon the Matty's will be happening and I will not even get a mention! However, I bring the highest level of conversation to this site...WTF?
According to my calculations
The law of averages dictates we’ll shoot 100% for the rest of this series.
Still in it!
Yeah, super frustrating.
The thing that really bugs me is that everyone keeps talking about Atlanta’s strategy of staying home on the shooters but they don’t seem to be doing that very well. Most of the times we’re putting up shots they aren’t contested. Their defensive strategy seems to be “Let Dwight Howard kill us and then let their shooters take open shots. They suck bad enough that it won’t matter and we can save our energy for making crazy jumpshots on the other end of the floor.” Clearly this has been a winning strategy.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
It's painful to lose to a team as bad as ATL. All this talk about defending Dwight straight up to stay on shooters is hog wash ... had we scored just 15% on 3-pointers, we would have won comfortably, last night.
ATL’s defense is so bad on dribble penetration that Arenas with no explosion off the dribble and lift could get to the rim every time or dish out to Dwight for a lay-in or dunk. Hedo has been so bad in play-making that now Arenas emerges as superior play-maker.
This series is not over yet … ATL is not that good of and Magic is not this bad of a team. See you all on Tuesday.
I don't remember when Orlando turned into Butler.
The Magic should be up 3-1. They are creating wide open shots. If you listen to SVG’s press conference he basically said it. The Hawks are not doing anything special. 40% shooters have just turned into 3% shooters. I have never seen anything like this. When Boston plays us, at least their logic works because they are actually defending are wings. Atlanta is not doing anything special. You hear 3D saying SVG has to do something better in his coaching…..what excatly is he suppose to do? Otis Smith gave him a Golden State Warriors type roster and he is not a Golden State Warriors type coach. Alright boys make some room on the bandwagon: Fire Otis Smith.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
What pisses me off even more is the my freaking phone fell and the screen cracked.
fml.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Don't know about you.. But I seen A LOT of bad 3pt shots taken yesterday.
And they all were wearing Magic jerseys.
There were a couple
Magic missed wide open shots. Even on a bad night a team should be able to shoot better than 8% from 3.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
I (along with Stan and his assistant coaches) disagree with you REP
Watch Stan’s post-game presser. He tells you exactly which shots were bad 3s. I agreed with each one he mentioned and the rest of them were good looks.
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I find it hard to believe
A team shooting that well during the season, all of a sudden doesn’t during this series without credit due to the team guarding them
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
I would suggest going back and watching the game again then.
Because you will see how many open looks they have gotten vs. how many they haven’t.
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I'm super depressed
I’ve never seen somebody (Jamal Crawford) take sooooooo many bad shots and make them ALL.
That's his game..
He’s been doing this ALL year.. Wasn’t he like 6th man award winner last year or something? The guy comes in and just starts shooting.
He's been doing it badly all year, sure
He’s shooting less than 42% for the season.
And nearly 57% in this series.
He’s just ridiculously hot.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
That should be 47% for the series
Typotastic.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
56.5% from 3 compared to 34% in the regular season.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
bubble wrapping my remote turns out to be the best thing I did this weekend.
game 5 is on NBA TV again? that’ll save me some bobble wraps.
We are not a good team
In the all star I said Dwight need it real stars in the playoff. Boston, Bulls, Heat and even the hawks have them. We have wash up player with big contracts. I hope arenas can keep doing what he did in game 4 and turkoglu can find his game. HOPE
Don't confuse terrible offense for not being a good team.
Look let’s be real. The hawks are taking low % shots and making them at a high %. I have never so many off balanced shots go in, in my entire life I have never seen anything like this over the course of a 7 game series in the NBA Playoffs. This series literally defies logic. This is what sometimes you can not believe in stats. Numbers dictate that Orlando should be shooting better and Atlanta should be not making these miracle shots. Orlando’s defense can not do anything more.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
People need to just understand that the series last year was the abberation, not this series
Hawks were WAY out of position last year. They are in position this year. That, coupled with the fact that we are not a solid well rounded team since the trades.
The kind of shots falling for the Hawks this series AND the shots that aren’t falling for the Magic are very easily maintained over the course of a 7 game series. It happens all the time. Teams will defy all odds, but defy it for an entire series.
"the Magic also are a lot different than they were a year ago ... almost entirely for the worse." - John Hollinger
by magicboi407 on Apr 25, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
You dont beat a team by 101 point and it be an abberation.
And they crushed them during the regular season as well bud. Orlando shooting 20% is an abberation. Not even the Celtics held them to that.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Have you not watched this team this year?
This is not the team last year, and neither are the Hawks, who were playing Horford at the 5 against Howard and had a sorry head coach.
This team (minus the nine game honey moon win streak) is not capable of a 101point series beating. They are laboring for EVERYTHING, and have been for the past 2 months. It’s borderline painful to watch.
"the Magic also are a lot different than they were a year ago ... almost entirely for the worse." - John Hollinger
by magicboi407 on Apr 25, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Miracle shots?
Sure, maybe if it were a game or a game and a half. It’s been 4 games now. Hawks are playing THEIR brand of basketball right now, its what they do. Long range questionable iso basketball. They are above average at it, and against this current Magic team, are REALLY good at it.
"the Magic also are a lot different than they were a year ago ... almost entirely for the worse." - John Hollinger
by magicboi407 on Apr 25, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
but also, it REALLY REALLY helps that Horford isn't playing Howard, and is instead str8 up ABUSING Bass/Anderson
"the Magic also are a lot different than they were a year ago ... almost entirely for the worse." - John Hollinger
by magicboi407 on Apr 25, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry for the triple reply
but also of note, its almost demoralizing to see Howard get consistently outworked by Jason Collins, even though he’s embarrassing all other Hawks centers
"the Magic also are a lot different than they were a year ago ... almost entirely for the worse." - John Hollinger
by magicboi407 on Apr 25, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
He is taking a lot of shots to do it.
Look the Hawks are playing their game and the Magic shooting 20% from 3. That is it. That’s the series. Make or miss league.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Horford isn't abusing anyone
He’s only shot .500 once this series and is averaging less than 43% on field goals, an over 10% drop from his regular season level.
Where he is dominating is defensively, but a lot of that is just the Magic’s awful shooting.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
The hawks are not winning as much as Orlando is losing.
Magic are creating open shots and are not hitting them. That’s it.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Or before the trade. We wernt solid then either.
Your hindsight has beer goggles.
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by Matty B on Apr 25, 2011 5:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It seems Howard is the only player that cares about the team and Wining.
He’s the one that sat and watched when the Lakers won it all. He’s the one that beefs when the team isn’t trying hard. He then goes out and puts up the numbers when the rest of the team just does “good enough” to win a game. The guy want to WIN, the rest of the team, at least MOST of them have this “I don’t really care”’ aura around them, especially Turk.
Regardless on how this series ends, this team needs to be restructured. I’m sure we like our players now, but I feel like Howard needs a new cast, most notably in the PG, SG and SF positions.
I like Bass and I think Ryan has potential..
I just think he shouldn’t have the authority to chuck up every shot as soon as he touches the ball.
Trust me, if Bass thought about driving first, jumper second, he would be a beast. As for Defense, he is trying this year.
At this point I don't know who is playing worse
Bass or Anderson. They are both a microcosm of this entire team this year: Way too Inconsistent
"the Magic also are a lot different than they were a year ago ... almost entirely for the worse." - John Hollinger
by magicboi407 on Apr 25, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Howard is leading the playoffs in Points, Rebounds and Shooting %..
And the rest of the team is playing like Development League players.. SMH…
Howard should demand a trade!!!!!
He should definitely pull some Diva attitude and tell management if they don’t bring in a superstar that he is gone. There was some stat out there that for the series after 3 gms Howard has 100pts the rest of the team had 122pts!!! It’s not like the Hawks are playing that well either.Some will say that it’s just one series but if you look at the season/his career as a whole he has been busting his butt more than anyone on the team night in and night out. Need another person to help him out if the Magic are ever going to get over the hump. The knicks, miami, and boston have all gotten better in the last few yrs time it’s for the magic to. Even Philly is improving, there’s a ton of young talent that they have gotten through the draft. Normally I don’t condone players after like divas or thinking they are bigger than the team as a whole but seriouly Howard needs some help ASAP or he is gone and I don’t blame him.
Otis should A)make some trades in order to get a superstar which we have some untradeable pieces especially after THIS series or B) give up on next season in the summer dump everyone for some expiring contracts this upcoming yr clear some cap room to sign Howard and another superstar player. Don’t let our backup plan when howard leaves be Fran Vazquez or Daniel Orton. Don’t give up our draft picks thats how you replensih you bench.
by space-ghost on Apr 25, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
Howard’s smart enough to know that Orlando can’t just teleport to fantasy land where some team will give the Magic a superstar for nothing just because he wants one.
Get real. There are no superstars coming to Orlando to help Dwight.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
The Magic set a record.. Not a good one though..
From Elias: The Magic was 2-for-23 (.087) on its three-point field-goal attempts in Sunday night’s loss to the Hawks, setting an NBA record for the lowest three-point field-goal percentage by a team in a playoff game (minimum: 20 attempts). Orlando broke the mark shared by two teams that were 2-for-20 (.100): the Pistons in Game 3 of the 2002 Eastern Conference Finals against the Celtics, and the Kings in Game 7 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals versus the Lakers.
We got everything we wanted with the Howard/Arenas screen and roll, the had no answer for it.
If we can score 10 extra points per game with that play to average over 90 ppg the rest of the series, I think we have a very good chance of winning it. Or if we just hit our open jumpers. I don´t think is that hard. We don´t even have to stop Crawford or wahtever, we just need to shoot as we use to do,
This is surreal
What hotel is are Hawks staying in? Who is gonna step up for the team and put some visine in their drinks?
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Unban me from the OPP!"...........David Polega
by AB's triple double on Apr 25, 2011 10:16 AM EDT reply actions
It has absolutely nothing to do with the Hawks
and has everything to do with Orlando’s offense and poor three point shooting. Anyone who suggests otherwise should look up a previous post of mine where I posted a link that Matt1325 didn’t like.
The NBA says my avatar is not a flagrant foul. When Howard fouls players like this he gets T'd up.
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
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oh, i guess the hawks haven't been hitting ridiculous shots then
must be some other team
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Unban me from the OPP!"...........David Polega
by AB's triple double on Apr 25, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, that's very true.
I just meant that even with all those circus shots/closely guarded shots dropping, the Magic could still pull out victories if they hit even a handful of threes.
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Seriously
It got to the point yesterday where it was like, just let Gil have the ball and do what he does.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
The Magic did
He got gassed and took himself out.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I know.
But then Orlando went away from him in the last 5 minutes. He looked confident yesterday. Like he was not thinking. He was scoring 17 a game before, albeit an inefficient 17, but if no one on the team is going to make shots, at least get the person who score the most while being inefficient. All those 0-fers is just depressing. Honeslty for the rest of this series, just let Gil do this thing. Let him run PnR with Dwight all night. If he misses at least Dwight gets a tip in.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
by Mateo9399 on Apr 25, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He took more shots than anyone else on the team
What do you want from Orlando? 84 Arenas isolation possessions a game?
The Magic would score about 60 points.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
No. But he finally didn't turn the ball over ridiculous amounts yesterday and produced.
But seriously Orlando is getting no offense from anyone else. I am not sure what else to do.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Only Howard was really having turnover trouble last night
I think the Magic asked Arenas to do just about all he can. If he’d used the ball any more, he’d have been taking possessions away from Howard.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If I had a milk carton, I'd put Ryan Anderson's face on it in hopes that he would soon be found
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Unban me from the OPP!"...........David Polega
by AB's triple double on Apr 25, 2011 10:20 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Our main problem is Jamaal Crawford.
Outside of him, nobody else is doing that much damage. As badly as we are shooting, these games have been pretty close. We have got to find a way to slow down Crawford. Without his 24 point per game, we could pull out a W. If he averaged 18ppg or less we could.
Live, Laugh, Love
"Outside of him, nobody else is doing that much damage"
Joe Johnson says hi.
"the Magic also are a lot different than they were a year ago ... almost entirely for the worse." - John Hollinger
by magicboi407 on Apr 25, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Joe Johnson says hi?
From where? The sideline? He was non-existent until the final 2 mins. He hit a floater in the lane and a few FTs. BFD. If he was the guy hitting big three after big three, “Iso Joe says hi” would make sense, but he isn’t. It is Crawford that is shooting nearly 20% better than his season average and career average from 3 pt range in this series. Joe (especially last night) didn’t do anything the Magic should be concerned with.
If they hit four 3 pointers last night, they win.
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Johnson's done little this series
Except hit a few clutch free throws and made a couple more threes than you’d expect.
43% on field goals. The Magic would very happily have taken that going into the series.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not praising Joe Johnson
but I wouldn’t mind if anyone on our roster could make FTs like that.
and we had 4 key players going 0% on 3 pointers. (Nelson, Turk JJ and Anderson)
There are five players on the Orlando roster
Making free throws at a better rate than Joe Johnson, and Dwight’s only 4.5% behind.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm, do any of you guys remember Joe Johnson in last year's series??
He is definitely saying “hi” in this series
"the Magic also are a lot different than they were a year ago ... almost entirely for the worse." - John Hollinger
So what?
He literally could walk into the arena, close his eyes for 48 minutes and throw the ball randomly around and play better than he did last year.
He’s playing mediocre ball. Orlando are very happy with that. The whole Hawks roster is playing average offensively at best. Orlando is just playing much, much worse.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I am thinking about making clutch free throws
Jameer is the only one who can do it on our roster – but he is just not going to the FT line enough in the series.
I'm a Jameer Nelson fan, but that just isn't true.
Key Magic players and their free throw (and field goal) shooting percentages in various “clutch” splits.
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“Late and Close” FT%, FG%:
Nelson: 69%, 38%
Better than Jameer:
Arenas: 75%, 40%
Bass: 75%, 50%
Redick: 100%, 75%
Anderson: 100%, 0%
Worse than Jameer:
JRich: 68%, 37%
Howard: 63%, 65%
Turk: 57%, 42%
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4th Quarter FT%, FG%
Nelson: 74%, 43%
Better:
Redick: 87%, 47%
Anderson: 81%, 42%
Bass: 80%, 47%
JRich: 78%, 44%
Worse:
Turk: 70%, 46%
Arenas: 71%, 39%
Howard: 58%, 64%
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“Clutch” FT%, FG%
Nelson: 76%, 46%
Better:
Redick: 87%, 50%
Bass: 80%, 36%
Arenas: 78%, 43%
Worse:
Howard: 62%, 71%
Turk: 64%, 39%
JRich: 70%, 43%
Anderson: 71%, 16% (and just 7% on 3s!)
Fingers crossed and beard still growing.
thanks. This stat is correct
only when it comes to clutch time which players are on the floor?
Nelson
JRich
Turk
Bass (maybe Anderson, maybe Turk plays the 4)
Howard
I know Stan sub in JJ when possible. Otherwise, Jameer is still a more reliable shooter when game is close and shot clock winding down.
Dwight will be back next year and the Amway Center is a top notch facility
Also, we have a Soccer team that is fun to watch. Went and saw them Friday night. So maybe Magic fans can expand their taste buds and support the local team. $10 seats.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
"Dwight will be back next year"
This is true. Thank goodness this isn’t the 2012 playoffs right now!
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by magicboi407 on Apr 25, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
You have to win 4 games to win a series. Not three.
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He have sort of a contract that makes him do it.
by Leandro. on Apr 25, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
haha
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Hawks 6-2 against Magic this year
this is just a better team than the Magic now. And this series could have been over if Drew didn’t limit Horford in Game 2. Other things I’ve noticed:
-Bass/Anderson is such a question mark. In game 3 when Bass and Horford got tangled up, Bass’ intensity went way up. He blocked a jumper, was pushing Horford, and Horford really looked like he didn’t want any part of him. I thought it might carry over to Game 4 but Bass’ intensity was down again. He thinks too much. He has to just play ball.
Anderson needs a life coach; or someone who can constantly keep his confidence up. The way he puts his head down when 1) he misses a 3 2) gets yelled at by Dwight (which I notice Dwight does not yell at anyone else nearly as often as Ryan) or 3) gets beat by the opponent. I don’t know if its Jameer’s job to keep his confidence up, but this was the same way he played against Boston last year; once he lost his confidence he was done. I’m actually afraid that he is just not capable of the pressure moments.
-Arenas should have had the ball in his hands at the end. This is not the same Turk from 2 seasons ago and especially this series. Arenas had his “swag” going and it would have just increased his confidence (more like trust) if SVG called his number for the final play.
-This is a disturbing trend with SVG and Kenny Smith brought this up, but he has to change the gameplan. I don’t think he is being out-coached (Atlanta has better players), but this Magic team has some really big issues right now.
-Despite Arenas good game, Otis is on the hot seat. He went all in on the trades and its just not working out. No draft pick this year, the cap situation is in shambles, and we still have to re-sign Dwight. I hate joining the “fire the coach/GM” bandwagon, but the GM’s job is to make the team better and he has not done that.
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And Go Magic
we can still come back!
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Arenas couldn't get a three at the end of the game
He doesn’t have the jets to beat a double or triple team any more.
Then again, as I’ve said already, it could be argued that a bad Arenas shot would be better than a good Turk one.
But have some thought here – you’re saying that a guy who has made just 2 three pointers this series, is shooting 33% in the playoffs from outside the arc, and only made 27.5% of his three pointers – a lot of which were open – in the regular season, should have been taking a contested three point shot at the end of a game against two taller guys playing him in a double team.
I don’t blame van Gundy for thinking he could get a better shot than that.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think once Turk lost the ball he should have hit Arenas at the top of the arc.
I believe it was Johnson that was guarding Arenas at the time and when Turk lost it, he kind of wandered toward Turk a little and away from Gil. He would’ve been able to take a fairly wide-open 3 from the middle of the floor. He wanted the ball, and was ready to fire (of course, Gil is always ready to fire). It would’ve been a deeper look than what Turk threw up, but I think it would’ve been a better shot, mainly because it wouldn’t have been coming from Hedo.
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I don't think he had time to do anything but shoot once he'd lost the ball
He basically picked it up, turned around and shot, and still only just beat the buzzer.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if you have a chance to watch the replay of that final play or not
But I think he took the shot with 2 seconds on the clock, and before that I think he could’ve hit Gil. But either way, it doesn’t really matter I guess.
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Last time I checked..............
Horford is a pretty good defender and the same height at Turk so that play should have NEVER been drawn up for him under those circumstances.Howard probably has a better shooting percentage from 3 than Turk at this point in the series. The ball should of went to anyone NOT named HEDO Turkoglu. I would have been fine with Jameer, Arenas, even Q getting the ball on that play.Poorly executed!!! Then again if any other than Arenas or Howard were making shots the Magic wouldn’t have been in the position that they were late in the game.
There weren't going to be any good shots
Horford might be the same height as Turk, but Smith, Johnson and Crawford are all taller than any of the rest of the Magic players.
It was a case of finding the least bad shot. You may disagree with van Gundy’s choice, but you can’t realistically suggest that Arenas or Nelson would have found something much better.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
i was agreeing with your
“Then again, as I’ve said already, it could be argued that a bad Arenas shot would be better than a good Turk one.”
did Dwight really yell at Anderson?
or just calling the rotation?
It’s funny because I read something similar on another blog. But I never saw any issue between these two.
Game 4
I thought Arenas played great last night, driving to the rim, faking the drive then the alleyoop to Dwight, and I was hoping he was going to take the last shot, not Turk, who has let’s face it been a nonentity this series. If our shots fall, we win this game and game 3. We have dug ourselves a heck of a hole, but damn it it can be done, and I’m hoping for one heck of a game 5, and game 7!!!
Dwight wants a championship.
Does anybody really thinks this team can win a championship?
And please be honest to yourself, then can’t. We need lots of changes.
Magic is not this bad, but there's a clear formula for defending the magic...
…single cover dwight with someone big, and cover the shooters and hope they miss (extra bonus if team has a lengthy forward type to bother Magic shooters). if a team can do that against the magic then magic’s offense is cancelled out, and who wins is up to the other team’s offense.
Looking at the past few years, the only really easy series was the one agains the hawks last year, when they couldn’t defend the magic effectively.
actually, let’s look at all of them since 2008
2008 raptors – no big body, lost in 5.
2008 pistons – big bodies, lengthy guy like prince, has good shooters, won in 5
2009 76ers – sort of big bodies, no lenthy guy, and not enough offense, lost in 6
2009 celtics – big bodies, missing lenghy guy, good shooters, lost in 7 close games
2009 cavs – can’t defend, excellent offense in LBJ, lost in 6, most games are close
2009 lakers – big bodies, lengthy guys like odom and ariza, good shooters, won in 5
2010 bobcats – big bodies, no lengthy guy, terrible offense, lost in 4
2010 hawks – dunno how to use big and lengthy people, bad offense, lost in 4
2010 celtics – big bodies, lengthy guy in Garnett, got shooters won in 6
2011 hawks – big bodies, lengthy smith and horford, ok offense, winning 3-1 in 3 very close games.
I dont’ think Magic is bad, but their offensive style has a very obvious counter, and it’s really up to the other team’s offense to come thru agains the Magic defense, if their offense is bad, they lose, if their offense caught fire, they’ll win by 10-ish, if offense is neither good or bad, then we get these low scoring gems where first to 80 wins.
Unfortunately for the Magic, most good teams in the playoffs can deploy this kind of counter against the Magic, so it’s really tough for magic to do well in the off season. and even more unfortunately, this year the only team that can do this in the East turns out to be the team Magic faces in the first round.
I'm not sure that
Hoping Orlando have one of the worst offensive series in NBA history is really a high percentage play. Although, obviously, it’s working.
The Magic basically needed to shoot 4-23 from three point range last night to win the game.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
C'mon man
If they restarted this series from Game 1 tomorrow night, Hawks would still get up 3-1 and possibly close out in 5.
They just have our number this year.
Detroit had it once, this year ATL does.
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that's a flat-out joke.
Yeah, they have our number. Come on. We could easily be up 3-1 right now if we had a little below our team’s season average from 3 be our avg. for the series right now. It literally has zero to do with the Hawks and everything to do with Orlando.
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by JeffShann3 on Apr 25, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
need 4-23 to win the game by 3.
still a close game. I am not saying the other team win, but if they can defend this way against the magic, it’s basically a toss up.
Not really
A toss up indicates you’d expect both teams to win the game about half the time. The Magic will shoot much better than this from three point range far more often than they’ll shoot this badly.
I’d say the Hawks height and athleticism is far more of a problem for the Magic than their interior defense.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree about the athleticism, that's kinda what I meant by lengthy
guys that can chase down the three point shooters and make them rush shots.
and yes it could go either way, and this could have easily be magic leading 3-1, but we say the samething last year against the celtics, or the year before against the lakers, becasue even tho it’s a toss up, teams with crazy iso guys like a pierce or a kobe or a crawford has that little slight edge.
In general
I would say that a team with a good interior defender and mediocre shooters would lose to Orlando 70 times our of 100. That’s not a coin flip to me.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
and really those 23 attempts are not pretty ones, I only counted two or three
attempts that are not rushed, 2 by richardson and he made 1, another one was a pretty good look by Jameer coming off a pick. That’s it. There was a whole lot of hurried looking shots by RA or transision off balance ones by JJ.
The hedo last sec shot was actually one of the better attempts.
van Gundy went through the missed threes in the press conference after the game
I think he labelled 4 or 5 as bad shots.
Most of them are decent looks. The Magic are rushing them, yes, but they’re rushing them because they’re panicking, not because the looks aren’t good.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i never said they are not good looks,
but they are rushed. RA’s many misses are the same looks that he gets, but he’s letting them fly earlier because his defender is closer to him.
What can a coach possibly do
About players missing good shots?
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoa, who said anything about coaches?
I never blamed SVG either. I am just saying the shooters are bothered by the lenght and proximity of their defenders.
What I was trying to say is that the Magic is NOT a bad team. This is not a team that should be blown up or anything like some people want to do. I don’t think Magic is playing with no heart or anything, there’s no lack of efforts from what I can see. Magic simply is a team that will get into tough fights because other teams can counter the 1 in 4 out. and when that happens, it’s coin toss. Magic happen to lost 2 of the 3 tosses.
unfortunately, by not having crazy iso guys making crazy iso plays (something SVG also attibutes too, since we like to quote Magic members so much), the coin is not perfectly balanced right now.
basically what i am saying is, no matter how bad the other team is
record wise or personnel wise, there’s a way to muck it up against the magic. so there’s really no surprise to see the magic in the current predicament.
29 teams lose every year
So no, it’s no surprise to see the Magic where they are.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Be careful, eltharion does not like to let others express their own opinion.
Just nod and agree with him. Then stand very still. His vision is motion based.
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by Matty B on Apr 25, 2011 5:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't get all mad
Just because I call you on your nonsense.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
be careful, he'll call you a Nazi next!!!
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Apr 25, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank god.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 25, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
can I rec this?
Especially because he hates when people “mindlessly ‘rec’ things”.
As I once wrote after a lengthy discussion between myself and another fellow poster, “I apologize, Matty B agrees with me so obviously I was wrong.”
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The Magic are missing more 2 point shots than three point shots
Dwight excluded.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
But I guess
“Live by how many points you score, die by how many points you score” doesn’t sound as good said by idiots on TV.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
hahaha rec'd for that. I hate that stupid saying.
I guess you could call Atlanta a team that “lives by the contested jumper, dies by the contested jumper”
or Miami the team that “lives by the free throw line, dies by the free throw line”
same could be said for Chicago.
GImmie a break.
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Really dislike
“Ball don’t lie” and “…get untracked”.
haha see, I like "Ball don't lie" because when you say it you're always right.
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Rec'd a thousand times.
I hate basketball dogma that is spewed out of some of these guys who cover the sport.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
Question is...
Which is more probable, given the way this series has gone: Magic get hot for game 5, or the Hawks get hot? Remember… we have been underperforming this series offensively… but the Hawks are too! We’re just worse… this series.
I don’t have much optimism left; it “feels” like game 5 of the Magic-Lakers series all over again. Remember? We made a push, went ahead by a few and then, when the Lakers made their run… we didn’t have anything left in the tank.
This feels just like that game… everything has been such an uphill struggle, I just don’t think the Magic will be able to counter the Hawks, who are SURE to bring it all together to humiliate us… IN OUR OWN HOME!
Regrets??? I had many questions going into this series… NOT about Howard, but about Jameer, J. Rich, Hedo and Anderson. But I felt that IF we got JJ back (my favorite player, by the way), we would have some power coming from the bench and actually be all right, but… sadly JJ never came back…
And that’s it… an untimely virus, which led to an unusual losing streak, which led to the most significant roster change in recent team history, another untimely late-season injury, and now the Magic are on the way out… a mere shadow of our former self. And with little chance of improvement due to a horrible fiscal situation (Thank, Otis) and no draft posibilities (thanks AGAIN, Otis). This about sums up this year… for me.
I know… I know. There’s still hope: One more game to play.
One thing I would like though…
I read some nasty back-n-forth in yesterdays’ in-game blog… and even here… today. It’s understood; we are ALL in extreme stress… frustrated and upset to the point of madness… well, almost. But let’s not forget that we ALL have ONE thing in common: An unweavering love for this Team called the Orlando Magic. PLEASE… let’s not turn on one another over petty differences and point of view… Lets remain respectfull and objective on other peoples views. Lets show our CLASS…
Ours is a true Cinderella story, whose fairytale ending has yet to be writen… Our time WILL come.
by manny55 on Apr 25, 2011 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Not comparing quality of the enemy...
But the "vibe"… the energy level, being an elimination game and HOW Atlanta feels going in, vs how the Magic feel going in… I think you can see the similarities.
I'm with you: We can win this next one.
The key is to START HOT!
Magic will NOT survive another cold shooting game. Absolutely NO margin for error!
SURE IN OUR OWN HOME NOT AGAIN ALL ALL ONE PLEASE CLASS WILL
I think the message is clear
by nastynate2012 on Apr 25, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Not comparing quality of the enemy...
But the “vibe”… the energy level, being an elimination game and HOW Atlanta feels going in, vs how the Magic feel going in… I think you can see the similarities.
Like Dwight Howard said before.................
“Him (Dwight) and Mickey Mouse will be in Orlando for ever.”
He's running out of reasons to stay.
Otis must go… We need a miracle right now.. and please no LOCKOUT. :(
NETS BASKETBALL.. WHERE THE NETS IS BACK!!!
by silenthero07 on Apr 25, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we'll win tomorrow night then fade away on game 6.
I don’t know about Richardson but he has been a BIG disappointment to this Magic squad. He’s just like VC in that Boston series last year. If he steps up for the next game/games I think we can still comeback.
NETS BASKETBALL.. WHERE THE NETS IS BACK!!!
If Orlando can hit some shots and get hot
The Hawks are still more than capable of folding.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 25, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know what happened to this Magic squad.
It seems that they don’t believe in themselves anymore. It’s impossible that it’s because of Gortat, VC, Lewis and Pietrus. Well let’s hope this luck of the Hawks stops.
NETS BASKETBALL.. WHERE THE NETS IS BACK!!!
by silenthero07 on Apr 25, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed.
All we have to do is win the next game, and then we throw all the pressure back on Atlanta. (I know we still need to win, but they will feel more pressure because they won’t want to come back to Orlando again)
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by JeffShann3 on Apr 25, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They could've but they won right??
I think it doesn’t matter how Atlanta is feeling right now. The Magic themselves look lose and clueless They play like they’re in a freaking pre-season game. They just need to focus. That has been their problem all year. We need the magic players when we almost defeated the bulls without Dwight!
NETS BASKETBALL.. WHERE THE NETS IS BACK!!!
by silenthero07 on Apr 25, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
*LOST
NETS BASKETBALL.. WHERE THE NETS IS BACK!!!
by silenthero07 on Apr 25, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The Magic actually shot over .500 in the second half
They shot 52.8% in the second half on 19 of 36 shooting and scored 48 points, but made just 1 of 9 three pointers during that time, compared to Atlanta shooting 15 of 37 (40.5%) in the second half.
That wasn’t enough for the Magic to overcome a disastrous first half, in which they scored just 37 points on 12 of 43 shooting (27.9%), including 1 of 14 on threes, while the Hawks shot 52.6% in the first half.
The Atlanta guard trio of Hinrich, Johnson, and Crawford combined for 59 points on 22 of 44 FG shooting, including 6 of 13 on threes and 9 of 14 on FTs in the game.
The 8.7% the Magic shot on three pointers is the lowest percentage in franchise history for three pointers in a playoff game, high-volume or not.
Gotta keep the faith… the Magic need to show the resolve of my beloved Blackhawks, who trailed Vancouver 3 games to 0 in the first round of the NHL playoffs but have won three in a row to force a seventh game.
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by Mike from Illinois on Apr 25, 2011 6:05 PM EDT reply actions
Blackhawks have championship mettle on the team.
I don’t feel like this team does. If this was last year’s team, or 2009’s team, I would still feel confident. But I felt a certainty that the Magic were going to lose Game 4 after the first two minutes. They just didn’t play at all with any urgency.
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who are the Blackhawks?
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Chicago Blackhawks...
…2010 National Hockey League Stanley Cup Champions.
Proud to have that in my signature :-)
Chicago Bears... 2010 NFC Conference runners-up
Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 NHL Stanley Cup Champions
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by Mike from Illinois on Apr 26, 2011 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, Hockey
That’s why I’d never heard of them. ;-D
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Still waiting for that switch to be flipped...
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Uhhhh. Do.
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by magicfaninTN on Apr 26, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok. Here Goes
At this point I don’t think he can be much worst then what Anderson is doing on the. What are we getting from anderson. nothing really. no points,rebounds, or D. The Anderson we saw in the regular season has been has been replaced with some impostor we had for the last 4 game doing nothing. With Clark we got quicker and better d. he’ll drive and probably get to the FT line. something anderson isn’t doing. what more do i have to say. or are u guys gonna counter me with something. cause if so. just answer this. What has anderson done in the post-season?
Trusting a player doesn't mean he'll always do something
We’ve given meaningful minutes to J.J and anderson and they haven’t produce at all. i know j.j has a excuse coming off the injury, but what’s Anderson’s reason? he’s disappeared. folding under pressure. I thought wait not just me but all of us thought that anderson was gonna a special case in the post-season. boy are we surprised to see that the player from the regular season has vanished before our eyes. but you guys keep defending him. i’m just laying it out there.
It also gives us something different
With Clark i think he’ll do a better job on Horford. and if he’s open by or under the basket we get easy lay-ups or dunks. and we get off rebounds and putbacks with him. With anderson we get a streaky shooter. but he’s too damn inconsistent. He been needed a wake-up call 3 games ago. Sure his track record shows he may be better then Clark at damn near everything. but right now I say clark is better at damn near everything right now. because the way anderson is playing is really showing me he’s a better player then clark.
It's a change just for the sake of making a change,
and it’s the same awful philosophy that got Otis Smith into all the trouble he’s into now.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 26, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
"It's a change for just for the sake of making a change"
and what go with the guys that ain’t giving us nothing for the past 4 games. even though we are lost to the by 10, 4, and 3. the guys that were suppose to do things in the post-season (hedo,J-rich, bass, anderson, jameer,j.j) aren’t doing anything. but the guys who weren’t really mentioned (Q and Gil) are doing better then the 4 starters. so yes i’m suggesting a change. not for the hell of making a change but to try to help the team.
If you want to help the team
Try making a suggestion that doesn’t involve playing one of the least skilled athletes in the NBA over a guy who can actually play decent basketball.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 27, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
look i'm not trying to start a war now.
i’m just making suggests. it just bothers me that when somebody makes a suggestion that you guys don’t like. you guys just start attacking somebody.i gave my reasons. i have 5 more reasons. but i don’t really don’t want to keep going into them if you guys are just gonna ignore them and keep defending the players who aren’t doing nothing. if the main guys don’t do something tonight we are done.
OK, I'm just suggesting something
But I think we should go with:
Duhon
Arenas
Q-Rich
Clark
Allen
As the starting lineup for the next game. I mean, we’re losing the series with Howard, Nelson and J-Rich starting so, you know, I’m just suggesting things here.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 27, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
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