Orlando Magic 88, Atlanta Hawks 82
Dwight Howard played every last second of the Orlando Magic's 88-82 victory over the Atlanta Hawks in Game 2 of their Eastern Conference Quarterfinals series, leading the way with 33 points and 19 rebounds as the Magic evened the series. Orlando withstood another sterling performance from Hawks reserve Jamal Crawford, who poured in 25 points in 31 minutes, in the win.
For Orlando, little changed tonight from the first game at the offensive end. It struggled with turnovers, took fewer three-pointers than usual, and shot a low percentage from everywhere. Howard's teammates shot 18-of-66 from the field, which is precisely why Hawks coach Larry Drew can live with Howard dominating.
No, the Magic's difference came at the defensive end. Though they allowed the league's second-worst offensive rebounding team to grab 28.9 percent of its own misses, Orlando played an otherwise brilliant defensive game. Atlanta managed 82 points on the night, a figure which includes three desperation three-pointers in the first half, as well as a banked-in long two-pointer by Joe Johnson at another shot-clock buzzer. Discounting those nearly miraculous shots and you get a better idea of how stout the Magic guarded in the halfcourt.
| Team | Pace | Efficiency | eFG% | FT Rate | OReb% | TO Rate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Hawks | 87 | 94.4 | 43.8% | 13.6 | 28.9 | 17.3 |
| Magic | 86 | 102.0 | 37.8% | 37.2 | 43.5 | 18.6 |
| Green denotes a stat better than the team's regular-season average; red denotes a stat worse than the team's regular-season average. | ||||||
On the strength of Crawford's white-hot jump-shooting, Atlanta built a lead as large as 10 points in the first half; back-to-back long twos off the dribble from last season's Sixth Man of the Year gave the Hawks a 32-22 lead at the 9:07 mark of the second. The game hardly looked lost--not with 39 minutes to play--but the Magic had to be concerned with their inability to score.
That's when Howard asserted himself. He scored 18 of his Magic record-tying 20 points after the timeout following the second Crawford jumper. Relatedly, Drew chose this portion of the game to use Josh Powell and Hilton Armstrong against the Magic's All-Star. The more stout Jason Collins and Zaza Pachulia were nowhere to be found.
Indeed, the way Drew doled out his frontcourt minutes will come into question here. Leaving two end-of-the-bench types alone to fend with the league's best center is one thing, but benching one's own best player for almost the entire first half is another. Al Horford picked up his second personal foul just 2:10 into the game, which prompted Drew to pull Horford for the rest of the half. The trickle-down effect it had on Atlanta's rotation left it without a reliable offensive big man. On a night when Johnson (6-of-15, 14 points), Marvin Williams (1-of-6, 4 points) and Kirk Hinrich (4-of-12, 9 points) struggled to produce from the wings, Atlanta needed another scorer.
The fact that the Hawks whittled a 14-point Magic lead to 4 with less than two minutes to play only further underscores the seriousness of Drew's gaffe. I believe Horford represents an improvement over Powell and Armstrong to such a degree that he would have been worth at least 6 points, the Magic's final victory margin, had he played over those two for at least another 8 first-half minutes. He at least commands defensive attention; Howard rightly ignored Armstrong and Powell whenever the Hawks had possession. Indeed, Drew helped turn Howard, the league's top defender, loose defensively as a helper.
But a Hawks head coach mismanaging Horford's minutes is not news. That Stan Van Gundy altered his point guard rotation is, though. Orlando's head coach used only Jameer Nelson and Hedo Turkoglu at point guard after halftime, leaving Gilbert Arenas and Chris Duhon benched. The decision forced the usually gunshy Turkoglu to play more aggressively, and though he missed 12 of his 16 shots, he a least ran the offense well and made proper passes. The 6-foot-10 matchup nightmare dished 5 of the Magic's 9 assists, with just 1 turnover, in splitting his 39 minutes between small forward and point guard. If Arenas, who's struggled mightily since coming to Orlando in a midseason trade with the Washington Wizards, is out of the Magic's rotation, you bet your sweet behind that's news. For what it's worth, Arenas shot 1-of-3 from the field, with 1 rebound and 1 turnover, in 6 minutes.
Though Turkoglu and Jason Richardson, his mate on the Magic's starting wing, struggled from the field (a combined 7-of-28), they hooked up for the clinching basket. Turkoglu ran a pick-and-roll with Howard on the right side of the floor, dribbling off the pick from right to left. He then fired a pass to Richardson in the right corner for a crucial three-pointer, giving the Magic a 7-point lead with 1:07 to play.
I also liked how the Magic followed that trip. Atlanta, needing a bucket, ran a high pick-and-roll with Johnson handling and Horford screening. With Richardson checking him, Johnson dribbled all the way to the right baseline. Howard utterly ignored Horford, instead trapping Johnson on the sideline and forcing Horford to pop out behind the three-point line to take Johnson's pass. He uncorked a three-pointer which fell well off the mark, Richardson secured the rebound, and Orlando needed only to make its free throws the rest of the way to assure victory. Johnson did have a rough night from the field, but I dig the call of sending Howard to double him anyway. I'd rather concede an open three to Horford, with a career mark of 3-of-11 from beyond the arc, than a contested two to Johnson with Richardson on him.
It's clear that the Magic haven't a clue about scoring when Collins plays; it's also clear the Hawks haven't a clue about scoring against Orlando at all unless their deep twos, usually created in one-on-one sets, drop. You'd think this dynamic would favor Orlando going forward, given that Collins plays less than half a game on average. But we won't know for sure until Thursday, when play resumes in Atlanta.
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good game....
Dwight showed me how dedicated he is to winning if i already didnt know. Made me proud to be a Magic fan. They fought and got the W.
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by Bonafidebrother on Apr 20, 2011 12:15 AM EDT reply actions
This was not a "feel good" win by any means
I’ll take a W quicker than most, but the difference this year (post trade) is the lack of ANY consistency compared to years past under SVG.
Vince may have been extremely average for us, but he was consistently average. You could almost guarantee 14 points from him every night. Maybe nothing more, but those points were there.
J Rich? He will go 8-11 on 3s one game then go for 6 points the next 2 games. Turk? A shell of himself AND playing hurt.
I almost think Jameer is playing as good as he was 2 seasons ago, at least as good as he was last post season.
Dwight also, completely playing on another level.
Anderson is better but also wildly inconsistent. There were a few open looks be banked last night that would have been automatic with Rashard.
For Magic fans, it’s just adjusting to a completely new team with completely new tendencies. MUST win one of these next 2 in ATL. I would love to win the next three and close them out game 5 in O-Town…. le sigh…
"the Magic also are a lot different than they were a year ago ... almost entirely for the worse." - John Hollinger
I pretty much agree throughout
The biggest problem is that it’s hard to compare team-to-team and year-to-year. Atlanta has a new coach with a WAY better philosophy and the undersized, defensive liability of Bibby has been replaced with his complete opposite in Heinrich.
Also, while the Magic may have crushed Atlanta last year in the 2nd round, the 1st round Charlotte series, though a sweep, was a nail-biter in every game. In many ways, this Hawks team is playing a lot more like the Bobcats did last year. Lots of bigs to hack Dwight. Lots of athleticism at the wings. The difference is Dwight is playing out of this world.
The reality is that at least 11 points for the Hawks yesterday came on prayer shots in the first half that you want them to take. It’s amazing that they hit all bottom, but they did. The Magic also continued shooting well below expectations even on open shots, but hit the ones they needed most.
Like the Charlotte series last year, the games in this series will likely all be pretty close which means random events (like hitting multiple fall away, clock expiring, long 3s) can certainly shift the tide. However, I still like our chances. In fact, I think if the Magic can win big and gain some confidence in their shots in game 3, they could very well close it out in 5 (even though I predicted 6 before it all began).
The plural of "anecdote" isn't "data."
by EnnBee on Apr 20, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good game Dwight (except for the early TOs)
Defense has improved. Still need more from teammates though. Can’t play Dwight 48 min all the way.
Evan, Game 3 is on Friday, not Thursday.
Great recap, though.
The plural of "anecdote" isn't "data."
Wasn't good at all,but then again
it wasn’t all bad either. the TO’s not hitting shots, leaving guys open. look we all know this is gonna be a good long series, but it doesn’t have to be. only if the magic get there act together. they are getting good looks, but aren’t making them thus always having the games close for the opponents to try to win.j-rich and hedo are going to have to start being more aggressive. and howard needs to take care of the ball. sighs bring on game 3.
We have a back-up point?
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yes!!!
According to OTIS we have two very capable and moderately priced back-up PGs in Duhon and Arenas. The Magic definitely get the most bang for their buck with those two.
by space-ghost on Apr 20, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ummm...........
did you forget that Gil is one of the highest paid players in the NBA?
We need a Jameeracle
What are you talking about?
He’s average paid.
Thank god they had to sign Butler & Jamison at the same time they did Gil- He actualy took less money.
oh man Vareajo is bleeding! SO WHAT! BLOOD CLENSES THE SOUL-JVG
Gil is going to be a steal
Dude said he is going to workout in Chicago during the off-season. If his past is any indication of what will happen in his furture it is a guarantee that he will be a top 10 guard.
There is no such thing as a 17 million dollar steal.
Your either elite or not worthy. No in between. And before you say Lewis, Lewis was for most of his contract.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
there is just a hint of sarcasm in that statement
We all know that the only workout the Gil is doing in the off-season involves running away from his babies mama and child support payments. Unfortunately, the door is closing rather quick on his career. He was definitely fun to watch back in the Agent 0 days and it would be awesome if those days were to return. However, I just don’t see that happening.
by space-ghost on Apr 20, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget frequent trips to his grotto to feed his pet sharks.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 21, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Because they're both beyond awful.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 20, 2011 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions
The matchups we had were much better using this rotation, Atlanta has been trying to go larger than all our perimeter players and this let us do that
also it allowas one of our bigger players to post up Crawfor>>>>>>>>>>easy buckets
Arenas was in there for a short time.
but he is just way too slow on defense and the Macgic’s game plan looked to push the ball on offense. Something Gil’s old man knees cant do.
We need a Jameeracle
by bluenwhite on Apr 20, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was, however...
He gave us more production in game 1 than JRich (even with the turnovers) and while he was only 50% on his post ups in game 2, I think those 2 back to back possessions were very important for the team when they happened.
That said, I was glad to see Hedo at the backup PG. I actually think Gil can give us something, but this is not a good matchup for him.
The plural of "anecdote" isn't "data."
Magic FG shooting
The 34.6% the Magic shot from the field marks the lowest they’ve shot from the field in a post-season win, while the 9 total assists by the Magic is a franchise low in a playoff game.
The 52 total rebounds was the fourth highest in a game in Magic postseason history, while the 20 offensive rebounds tied for the second highest in a game in Magic posteseason history.
The Atlanta guard trio of Johnson, Hinrich, and Crawford combined to score 48 points on 18 of 44 shooting (40.9%) which was down considerably from their combined 61 points on 22 of 40 shooting (55%) in Game 1.
Great defense from the Magic in the second and third quarters, as they held the Hawks to just 32 points on 12 of 40 shooting (30%) during that time.
The Magic were able to survive 30.6% second half shooting thanks to their strong defense and rebounding, and, of course, Dwight Howard, who has scored more than 30 points in two consecutive playoff games for the first time in his career.
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by Mike from Illinois on Apr 20, 2011 12:46 AM EDT reply actions
It's amazing we play worse offensively than game 1
My only hope is that the offense comes around and the defense stays the same.
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our shots willl start falling
its not like we arent getting open looks, we got really good looks, theyjust werent falling, also anderson and bass combined for 16 points, much much better than 0
"our shots willl start falling"
Magic fans say this alot based on years pasts, and the teams we had back then. Nothing says this will happen. Teams go whole playoff series in a funk all the time. Just look at the Bobcats and Hawks against us last year. We could very well shoot the way we have the first 2 games for the rest of the series. The only thing we can control is our defense, and if we play D like we did Game 2, then we have a chance to win the series.
"the Magic also are a lot different than they were a year ago ... almost entirely for the worse." - John Hollinger
Mayhap
But we don’t have a good chance to win this series if it will require Dwight to play every minute of each game. And even if we do, he won’t have enough in the tank to get to the finish line. Stan needs to find him resting points, regardless of what is going on. The bench (ah remember the old days of having the best bench in the league…) has to be utilized and play better.
I am made of bits of real panther so you know I'm good.
Ryan Anderson and J.J. will play better as the series goes on, I think,
but who else is on the bench that can be utilized or counted on to play better? If anything, SVG just shorted his bench even more by removing the two backup PGs and keeping Clark firmly rooted to a chair, and I can’t blame him for any of that.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 20, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Clark MUST play
If just for the sake of sparing Dwight. Then again, if the rest of the starter keep playing how they are playing, Dwight will get zero rest going forward. His rest is totally predicated on how well the 3s are dropping. Even if its a close game, if our offense is rolling, SVG usually holds out Dwight for a breather.
"the Magic also are a lot different than they were a year ago ... almost entirely for the worse." - John Hollinger
What does Clark have to do
with Howard? He isn’t a center. Ryan will fill in as backup C when Dwight sits I would think.
I am made of bits of real panther so you know I'm good.
I guess maybe possibly perhaps
He could defend the Atlanta centers since none our offensive minded. Just to give him two minutes I guess?? Still don’t see it though
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Good grief you guys
Like a pack of wolves on a comment.
I meant Clark coming in to give post help, not specifically coming in to play 5. Yes I probably worded that wrong.
Clark coming in creates a domino effect of sorts allowing Ryan to slide to 3 and Bass to play 5 while Dwight gets a blow. Especially if Stan isn’t going to play Gilbert.
"the Magic also are a lot different than they were a year ago ... almost entirely for the worse." - John Hollinger
You were making sense
And then you said Ryan at the 3 and I realized you are just not thinking clearly. I am afraid you have Magicitis. It can be caused by watching the Magic play like they have. The cure is to just watch Dwight almost single handed take out the Hawks in the second period.
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by Eric9321 on Apr 20, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that first quarter was a doozy of bad offense
I really hope the shots start falling for them
I'm a girl.
Yep; the Magic shot just 6 of 20 in that first quarter
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by Mike from Illinois on Apr 20, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
16 points in that 1st Qtr AND the last second Crawford prayer heave....
UGH-uh-lee!
"the Magic also are a lot different than they were a year ago ... almost entirely for the worse." - John Hollinger
I'm not an Arenas hater
But i’m glad that ball wasn’t in his hands in the 2nd half. If the seasons on the line, i’d rather have it in Jameer or Hedo’s hands.
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by AB's triple double on Apr 20, 2011 1:12 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I must say
the Magic played some pretty tenacious D in this game. Hopefully they can keep up the same intensity moving forward in these playoffs.
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by Gatorbuc15 on Apr 20, 2011 1:22 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It was still sloppy...
But I felt so much more confident watching this game than the first. After that loose ball dive and subsequent pass to Jameer by JJ, everyone seemed to raise their intensity level up a bit. I felt like they finally got the memo that the playoffs had started. Defense was so much better from guys not named Dwight, and the role players were much more aggressive offensively.
Even as Hedo was at 2/12 shooting in the 4th quarter, I was telling my friend that he was playing so much better than the last game. I still wanted him to take the shots he was taking, because they were mostly high percentage shots that just didn’t fall. He was still a little hesitant to take some open shots, but there were some good signs moving forward.
I don’t know if it’s a good thing that our diminutive point guard was our #2 rebounder for the second straight game, but I’ll just use that as a a reason to praise Jameer. His shot wasn’t falling and he wasn’t able to get a lot of good looks for others, but the shots he was taking were good and he contributed on the boards too. Only 1 TO in 38 minutes is good too.
If the Magic play like that, they will win the series for sure, because those open looks will start falling.
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by slickw143 on Apr 20, 2011 1:31 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agree
That hustle paly by JJ was the turning point. The crowd got into it and the team picked up the intensity. And the shots will start falling. Hedo needs to bring back the magic hands.
We need a Jameeracle
It definitely turned the game
and if we had lost that game it would have been panic time.
Sure is damn nice to have JJ back.
As Evan noted...
Tons of plays where Atlanta wasted the shot clock with menial ball and player movement, only to hoist a prayer of a 3 and see it go in. Coupled with the dumb offensive foul turned 3-point shot with 1.8 seconds left in the first, and a strong handful of those other palm-to-forehead incidents with prayer shots, the Magic win tonight could have looked even more dominant than it ended up. The offense did sputter, but it’s always got a safety valve in Dwight, and if we come away from a night where Hedo and J-Rich combine for 7-of-28 and have a general consensus that “Magic basketball” was played, that says a lot about this team’s potential when it is firing on all cylinders. The defense was stellar tonight, the effort tonight deserved to have held Atlanta to 70 or possibly even less, I expect it to carry over to Game 3 and see Orlando seize control of the series back.
A few notes on Gil, his first two shots were from point-blank range, getting Dwight-like position on baby hooks, the second one rimmed out but that’s the sort of thing we can use from Gil, getting into easy basket position and just seeing the ball go through the hoop. Jameer is playing like a man on a mission and driving the ball hard every time up the court so I don’t want to see him sit much, but I like what Gil is giving us, and I hope the trend of going with Q-Rich sticks because his perimeter defense will definitely be needed down the line and if we can have him “warmed up” by consistent playing time, he could provide some timely shooting, something this team needs, and I think he gives us a better crack at it than Duhon, while providing tons more on the defensive end.
Coach Van Gundy's take on the adjustments the Magic made after Game 1
…courtesy of the Yahoo! Sports post-game recap:
“It’s not anything I did – our guys did it. You gotta get out and take the challenge. … Every game sort of takes on a life of its own and you just gotta do whatever it takes to get the win on that night.”
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by Mike from Illinois on Apr 20, 2011 2:04 AM EDT reply actions
Just glad we got the W.
Jason Collins receiving so much importance in this series is worrying though. Eventually though, we’ll get these games where the team shoots 40% from downtown. The only problem is… all too often the team ends up giving 42% to the other team.
Like Dwight said, this is about defense
Still can't believe
Richardson and Bass’s exceptionally poor play. It was much better this game, but nowhere near inspiring enough to think the Magic have a chance against, well an actual good team. I hope they can turn it around in time to beat Atlanta and give the next team something to at least partially worry about.
I am made of bits of real panther so you know I'm good.
Bass played exceptionally well
this season. He needs to be a knock down shooter with that jump shot, what the hell happened to the automatic 2 pointer he had?!
I am made of bits of real panther so you know I'm good.
No, he hasn't
He’s been decent, not exceptional.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 21, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
He had times where he played exceptionally well
is probably a better fit.
I am made of bits of real panther so you know I'm good.
Why is it
that Richardson seems to always hit that three that the Magic need most but miss otherwise? Strange..maybe he needs to start pretending there’s less than a minute to go in a close game everytime he shoots.
Tradewatch:
The new acquisitions went 8-31 (25.8%) from the field, which is an even worse showing than Game 1. They combined for 20 points (23% of the team’s output), which is reasonable for a SG/SF/backup PG on a team with Dwight Howard and a shoot-first point guard. They also combined to go just 1-2 from the FT line (Turkoglu) and committed 4 turnovers (actually a pretty low number considering the usage).
Jason Richardson’s complete unwillingness to draw contact is really disappointing, and he has yet to even attempt a free throw all series. I know the dangers of using raw +/- stats for individuals, but the Magic were -4 with J-Rich and +13 with his backup J.J. Redick (4-5 from the line). So, Richardson is being solidly outplayed by his still-recovering backup, and I will say again that it’d be a further waste of money to re-sign him after this season.
Also awful: Gilbert Arenas, who is so terrible at the game of basketball that he played only 6 minutes (during which the team was -11) and was promptly benched for the rest of the game.
A BRIGHT SPOT! Hedo Turkoglu, shooting aside, played well. He rescued the ball-handling duties from the incompetence of Arenas and Duhon, and he finally looked a little more aggressive and less dead. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come, especially now that he’s resumed his backup-PG role from the Finals run of 2009. But even with Turkoglu’s contributions….this team’s offense just is so bad. So so so so so so so bad.
It was great to taste victory though! A 2-0 hole in this series would’ve been especially soul-crushing for me.
And to round out the Tradewatch, Earl Clark recorded his second straight DNP-CD, because offense is not included in his skill set.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 20, 2011 4:26 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I dont think Bass played that bad…He didn’t shoot the ball great (but nobody on the Magic did except Dwight), but he still ended up with a solid 8 points 7 rebounds, which is decent, not horrible.
Arenas defintely looks like he is not ready to play at a high level of basketball as he has ever since the trade to Orlando. I kind of like having Hedo be our backup pg when Jameer is on the bench. But I do still have some hope that Arenas will provide a spark off the bench in one of these games. The biggest problem I have with him is his turnovers and his poor dribbling skills, but he can still be a spark that ignites the 2nd unit in future games
Hedo needs to stay aggressive as well..in game 1 he PISSED me off because he was hesitant to shoot and played like a pu**y. But hopefuly he continues to stay aggressive, and I’m confident he will connect on more of those open shots
J Rich still is looking lost out there, and can’t seem to get into any kind of rhythm. Even when he drives to the basket, he is getting rejected every time. But he did hit that clutch 3 at the end, but he needs to start hitting more shots earlier in the game so we can build a lead early in the game and rest Dwight..I hope he regains the playoff form that he showed last year in Phoenix.
by supermantotherescue on Apr 20, 2011 5:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Outside of Dwight
Orlando shot 27% from the field, which makes Bass’ 33% look positively efficient by comparison.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 20, 2011 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say lost
he had wide open shots just not go in for him at all. Wide open shots. Any more wide open and they would be practics shots. I think he will be fine. SVG fixed the gameplan and had wide open shots. Man Dwight is just incredible. One of the ESPN bloggers, who has very good analysis, says that Dwight is approachin Alonzo Morning territory. With all due respect to Alonzo, Dwight is a much, much better player. He is as good defensively and far superior offensively to Alonzo. He has not even hit his prime yet. Just an amazing player.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Ugh... Hating the "Tradewatch" thing.
At least you didn’t invoke the names Carter or Lewis in this one. Yes, for better or for worse trades were made… months ago. The acquired players are Magic players. Love em’ or hate em’ these are our horses in this race and we’ve got to roll with that. Continuing to reference them as “tradewatch” players is negitive and annoying. Hedo, J-Rich, Arenas and Clark are legal and authorized members of the Orlando Magic organization. Time to let the go of the Carter, Lewis & Gortat ghosts. They’re dead to us now. If the Magic fall short of their postseason goals you’ll have ample opportunity to rant about the trade of your lost loves. Until then, how bout supporting the team as a whole instead of segregating them into who you want there and who you don’t.
Just my opinion. Don’t mind me. Just passing through. Go Magic… all of em’. Even your so called “tradewatch” players.
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by Matty B on Apr 20, 2011 7:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I pretty much agree with this
While the stats are interesting (I like everyone who posts the stat minutiae after the games), I’m a bit wary of the tone that the “tradewatch” thing carries as well.
The plural of "anecdote" isn't "data."
I also do not care for the Tradewatch,
for the reason of its tone. I think I might be more comfortable if it was not written by such a vocal critic of the trades, but as I dislike it primarily on the basis of my personal opinions, I support MTC’s right to post it.
If Redfield is OPP's best poster, and he's holding something back every night how can you say that doesn't affect OPP? He's their best guy! Your best guy leads! Your best guy sets the tone for everyone else! When Redfield cruises through game threads, makes dumb jokes, earns even dumber recs and disappears during debates (he doesn't even rank in the top 125 for insightful responses to trolls this season), you don't think that has anything to do with OPP's uneven season?
by Redfield on Apr 20, 2011 12:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm trying to be as objective as possible.
When Jason Richardson inevitably has at least one 8-11 20+ point aggressively good game, I’ll be the first to praise him. Quite seriously: if you have any suggestions (aside from being a different person), I’ll take them.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 20, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t have any suggestions. I wouldn’t expect you to be able to completely abandon your perspective any more than I would be able to completely abandon mine. I mean, if anyone is going to add text to box-score type data, the author’s voice is going to come through somewhat. I guess I kind of take a post-positivist view on it, to some degree. And in any event, I think it’s important that you be able to voice your perspective in a reasonable, intelligent fashion, which I think you are doing.
If Redfield is OPP's best poster, and he's holding something back every night how can you say that doesn't affect OPP? He's their best guy! Your best guy leads! Your best guy sets the tone for everyone else! When Redfield cruises through game threads, makes dumb jokes, earns even dumber recs and disappears during debates (he doesn't even rank in the top 125 for insightful responses to trolls this season), you don't think that has anything to do with OPP's uneven season?
by Redfield on Apr 20, 2011 12:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cool, thanks.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 20, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the fact you don't like it means I'm doing a good job. The MattyB reverse stamp of approval.
I support this team, but it’s fair to compare last year’s team to this year’s team. Atlanta’s essentially the same team with the same philosophy and selfish play and dumb coaching moves. The whole point of the trades (and any trade ever, hopefully) was to make the team better than last year’s team. Let’s see if it actually is. I certainly hope it is, but I’m not alone in thinking the team is overall not as good.
And I do find it funny that’d criticize me for not being all rainbows about every single person on this team. I’m sure you only ever had kind words for Vince and Rashard when they were here, right?
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 20, 2011 11:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see any problem with Tradewatch since it is an objective overview of new pieces without degrading the team as a whole.
In fact, those who have criticized the trades wish nothing more than being proven wrong when the team holds the trophy up. Meanwhile we are weary of losing the coach due to little or no fault of his own. In that sense, Tradewatch is a prelude to defending the coach – in the worst case scenario – while holding the true culprit(s) of blunders accountable when the season comes to an end.
Atlanta is NOT the same team as last year, though
They have a way better coach with a way better game plan which allows every position to play bigger. Also, replacing the undersized and defensively challenged Bibby with Heinrich makes a huge difference as well.
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The plural of "anecdote" isn't "data."
to enhance your digression
I generally disagree; ATL essentially retained the same offensive philosophy as last year (over reliance on long jumpers, benching Al for about quarter and a half when in early foul trouble), made mediocre trades (Jordan Crawford, d-less Bibby for o-less Hinrich) which essentially cancelled out improvements in personnel (Al Horford), overpaid vets (Joe Johnson) while underplaying/underdeveloping talent (Teague). Sounds like the same old Hawks to me.
When they start streaking and making circus shots, it’s fools gold. When our offense struggles as it has, it just makes them look that much better. If/once Hedo and JJ start shooting at a decent clip, and get more minutes, they won’t be able to trade shots for long with that rotation and we’ll advance no problem.
I tend to differ with the assertion of "They have a way better coach with a way better game plan".
The evidence doesn’t bear that they have a “way” better coach although I am not sure how he compares with Woodson, who was all ISOs and not much more. ATL, however, despite their miserable match-up with Magic last year, swept BOS in the regular season, and had a much better record (3rd seed).
by Matt1325 on Apr 20, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I pretty much mean the plan to not have Horford guard Howard
In his press conference last night, Drew talked about how last year he strongly disagreed with the strategy they used which included doubling Dwight. That led to more open looks for the shooters and contributed to the lopsided nature of the affair.
This year, by choosing to play Dwight straight up with their centers that don’t do much offensively frees up everyone to slide down a spot creating advantages at positions they didn’t have last year. Coupled with the height advantage at the point guard spot the Hawks have gained, they have improved at every position matchup-wise except 1.
The plural of "anecdote" isn't "data."
It's OK for you to criticize Vince and Rashard for not having heart (which is based on bogus pseudopsychology), or whatever, but when someone comes in here with well reasonsed stats, it's not fair?
I wouldn’t expect you to understand why that’s absolutely ridiculous on your part.
by Evan Dunlap on Apr 20, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
To be fair
I think people only questioned VC heart. I think everyone loved Rashard but saw that he was missing something(Turk? Roids?[man I hope not the later])But yes I get what you are saying.
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Ugh... Hating the "Tradewatch" thing.
At least you didn’t invoke the names Carter or Lewis in this one. Yes, for better or for worse trades were made… months ago. The acquired players are Magic players. Love em’ or hate em’ these are our horses in this race and we’ve got to roll with that. Continuing to reference them as “tradewatch” players is negitive and annoying. Hedo, J-Rich, Arenas and Clark are legal and authorized members of the Orlando Magic organization. Time to let the go of the Carter, Lewis & Gortat ghosts. They’re dead to us now. If the Magic fall short of their postseason goals you’ll have ample opportunity to rant about the trade of your lost loves. Until then, how bout supporting the team as a whole instead of segregating them into who you want there and who you don’t.
Just my opinion. Don’t mind me. Just passing through. Go Magic… all of em’. Even your so called “tradewatch” players.
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by Matty B on Apr 20, 2011 7:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry for the double post. Moble error.
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by Matty B on Apr 20, 2011 7:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This game was won on the strength of our defense ... it is that plain and simple.
ATL never looked comfortable even when they were trying – and making – desperate shots. Credit goes to the whole team for playing exemplary defense (J-Rich and Hedo included).
Offense, however, is a totally different story. The basic idea is to get open shots for shooters … we have the latter but don’t do good enough in achieving the former, simply because we don’t do well with moving the ball. In last night’s game the ball movement was better than the first game, but yet not to the desirable extent. I am not sure if we can do much better with this personnel. We lack the good ball handlers, and dribble-penetrators which made last year’s team being praised on their ball movement (i.e., Vince, Rashard, and J-Will). Hedo was supposed to improve our ball movement – which he did to some extent, last night – but if we expect that assignment from Hedo, I can’t trust him to have the stamina to do other things consistently (i.e., finishing at the rim – always inconsistent – and shooting efficiently).
So that leaves us with the thought of continuing to defend well while trying to find ways of moving the ball better to create open shots. Of course, it’s ‘wonderful’ if our shooters could make shots with hands in their faces, but that certainly is not a ‘desirable’ situation that we want to be in.
I actually disagree with the Hedo concept
I think Hedo had the ball a lot in his hands, and it stuck in his hands at times, even when he was gassed and took the lazy route, the contested one dribble fallaway jumper. I think the ball needs to touch everyone’s hands more often. Stan should just make an around the world play where no one is allowed to shoot until everyone has touched the ball. Just to remind the guys out there that they have to move the damn ball. The offense was worse last night than in game 1. I don’t mind Hedo taking over in the fourth, or shooting open shots off of kick outs. But he has been a little too aggressive with shooting contested jumpers without moving the ball first. More staggered screens and pick and rolls please. And will someone please kiss Arenas’s butt so he can feel like playing good basketball?
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"someone please kiss Arenas’[s] butt so he can feel like playing good basketball?"
I volunteer to do it if it makes him play good basketball!
by Matt1325 on Apr 20, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This what confuses Magic fans.
When these guys want to, they play ferocious defense. I mean they locked down Atlanta for 3 quarters. After that JJ steal and pass, do we all realize that single play might have saved the season???, the Magic put the clamps on Atlanta. The team is capable. Also, that game should not have been close. The magic missed at least 10-14 wide open shots. Maybe more. Even 40% of those go in and Orlando wins by 10-15 points. So for one night, I think we can stop worrying about Dwight leaving, SVG getting fired, and the end of the city of Orlando as we know it.
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Lost my feed halfway through the third
But I was really impressed by the defense, even when we were behind. The Hawks were going iso but just getting absolutely no space or time to make shots, they constantly had hands in their faces. There’s just nothing you can do about a guy hitting a 35 foot three pointer with half a second left on the shot clock, which was about all Atlanta’s offense could manage most of the time.
Howard was a monster in the first half and the rest of the team found just about enough in the second half to get Orlando over the line. I think we were probably a bit lucky that Horford got two early fouls and Larry Drew is an ultraconservative coach, though.
Good win in the end. Hopefully our offense shows up at some point this series.
I nearly lost my faith
not in the Magic, but in basketball as a whole. I mean really, it was just unfair for too long. All of game 1 those lucky crappy shots fall, and it looked like they were going to be lucky all game again. I couldn’t stand watching such horrible basketball by Atlanta turn into points at such a high percentage any more!
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yep
Hedo’s layup just sat there on the rim…………and sat ther…………and sat there…………you gotta be effin kidding me…….and then it fell, I was starting to think the only way we could score is dunk.
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Did they ever hit 2 consecutive jumpers?
Seemed like every made jumper was followed by a few bricks. I expected the flood gates to open at SOME point!
Great win, amazing defense.
by RememberTmac on Apr 20, 2011 6:52 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
At some point it's going to happen.
Orlando is getting open shots. At some point in time they will fall
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Was at the game last night...
The energy was awesome…the crowd came through when they were needed..it was great to be a part of it. Like Evan said…this was a defensive win…everytime we collectively and relentlessly play our D….we have shut our opponents down. The shots will start falling…we can’t let up on defense. Proud of the team…and the fans! I still believe! Go Magic!
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by Mr_Major on Apr 20, 2011 8:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
DOMINATE is just too weak of a word for what Dwight does on the court & I dont thik this team even need to take a 3pt shot to win a game right now all its doing is taking them out. too many threes!You gotta love the way Jameer played last night, he didn’t stuff the stat sheet but he was aggressive ALL night and had a huge impact on the game. I thin the only way to open up the three point line is to stop taking so many,all of our passing and shooting seems to take place at the three point line, so they crowd the passing lanes and defend the three point line at the same time, the only way were making plays is by penetration, they need to pass the ball more inside the 3pt line more,our 3pt game is too easy to defend to rely on it to win a championship. I would love to never ever see them take a 3pt shot with more than 10 seconds on the shot clock. POUND THE ROCK!
oh man Vareajo is bleeding! SO WHAT! BLOOD CLENSES THE SOUL-JVG
During these next two days the Magic need to practice some fundamentals
I know I’m not a coach and I shouldn’t be giving a very good coach suggestions but it would be awesome if SVG had the guys do old/high school fundatmental type of drills.Lay up lines, entry passes into the post, mid-range jumpers while someone is charging towards them, may learn some pump-fakes. Have Gil go dribble down the court right handed then up the court left handed. Seems like he has forgotten how to dribble.
There were too many times throughout the two gms where they had some open none contested jumpers that were bricks, missed lays up (which were contested, so semi-difficult) then an errant entry pass when howard had great position. There have been way too many opportunites or points left on the table in those games.
The way Howard was abusing the ATL bigmen and getting them into foul trouble I thought Crawford was going to have to play him. It seemed like 3 of the big guys had 3 fouls in the 1st half.
The defense has been playing pretty well. JJ provided a nice spark off of the bench. Jameer being a beast on the boards has been an unexpected delight.
I have confidence that the Magic will step it up in the upcoming games and win the series
JJ needs to work on using the bounce pass.....
to get ball to Dwight, againt taller players.
We need a Jameeracle
I would not make Dwight practice at all
and I would run shooting drills until J Rich’s hands are full of blisters and Arenas’s knee is watermelon sized.
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So the Magic win
And there is only 50 posts. Yet when the Magic win there is 150 by the next day?? People panic too much. SVG made adjustments. Magic will shoot better. Should take this series.
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I cant type Dwight Howard is BLOCKING my mind with visions of his stellar play,Im in complete AWE
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by D-RAK on Apr 20, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think SVG actually did all that much, aside from benching Arenas.
And I think SVG agrees with me that he didn’t do all that much; just look at the quote Mike from Illinios posted further up in this thread. The players suddenly just decided to play better and use a little more of SVG’s knowledge on defense, but I’m sure they’ve been hearing the same things out of him all season. And the Magic did get a gift with Horford’s limited playing time.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 20, 2011 12:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
There was a better offensive flow to the offense.
They had better movement and more wide open shots in this game. There was J Rich posting up Crawford. There were some changes. But yes the effort was the biggest difference.
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Jameer started & stayed aggressive and they had to adjust, I think that was the biggest thing. sooner or later shots gotta start going down….I hope
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The Magic scored fewer points and shot a lower percentage
Offense was not the difference in this games. Defense, rebounding, and they only made a few circus shots instead of every long jumper they took. That’s why this was a W and Saturday was an L.
The plural of "anecdote" isn't "data."
Yes, but...
I feel like the shots we got in this game were higher percentage shots, even if they didn’t go down. I mean Arenas had a little baby hook just roll out on the post. Hedo missed some lay-ups and open 3’s. Bass missed a couple jumpers, and Ryan had a couple open looks from 3 that just missed. Jameer had some mid-range jumpers that were off.
The first game was a sustained pattern for ATL if they maintained their level of defense. This game was more of a “wow, they’re really lucky those shots didn’t go in” type of deal.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
With Dwight getting down the court before anyone else,
Arenas was way to slow and Jameer and Hedo were pushing the ball. Made sense to leave him on the bench.
We need a Jameeracle
most interesting stat in this game for me
is how Dwight out shot the entire Hawks team in FT. not just more attempts, more makes and better %. way to go D12!
37.8% eFG? Come on! Even Duhon shoots better than that!!!
An what was Howard’s offensive usage in the 2nd quarter, 99%? I felt sad for the rest of the team for that stretch! And what about Bass missing a wide open jump shot two steps inside the FT line? No team can win shooting that bad. We were supposed to get good shooters that couldn´t defend, but we got players who brings no offense while not excelling in defense. If you replaced every Magic player with mediocre NBA guys shooting 45% efg this game was a rout.
by Leandro. on Apr 20, 2011 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Who rec'd this guy?
Dude they are missing wide open shots. Calm down, they will start to fall down
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That´s what we said last series against the Celtics "Vince will bring it next game". I do want to believe though.
The talent is definitely there, don´t know why are they shooting so bad!
Yes but the Celtics did not give VC open shots.
And as was pointed out before, VC kept Orlando in game 6, although the game was really over after the first quarter. The Magic offense created open shots.
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Not only that
Both Rasheed Wallace (forgot about him, eh?) and Kendrick Perkins did a phenomenal job on defending Howard, which meant they could also contain the Magic’s perimeter players.
Not to mention Boston’s team defense in that series, it looked incredible.
Exactly
But the Hawks are no Celtics. Which seems like a waste of all their talent. Oh well.
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What I meant is that we were hoping for things to change and they didn't.
Hope it´s different this time.
"No team can win shooting that bad."
Um….but we did, so….
The NBA says my avatar is not a flagrant foul. When Howard fouls players like this he gets T'd up.
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The Magic players
all look a little hesitant. Playoff pressure got to them. I actually think playing in Atlanta might help break them out of their funk.
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Sounds reasonable
Who knows what goes on in their minds. You know they know what ESPN, NBA TV, TNT, and every media site is saying about them. That is the weakness of this team. They buy/listen to the media too much. Last year against Boston they played very arrogantly the first two games. This team needs to feel threaten to start playing better. Want to have a heart attack? Watch the 2010-2011 Orlando Magic.
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Just awesome night by Dwight
I was more impressed with this game than game 1, and not because we won. He was EVERYWHERE. Jamal Crawford shooting a floater over the backboard because he saw Dwight coming? Thats just sick. Other notes from the game:
-JJ’s dive for the loose ball really changed the momentum. Great, great play by JJ.
-Still love Turk, but goodness gracious he could not buy a bucket. He only took maybe 2 or 3 bad shots, the rest seemed to be good looks.
-RIP, Hibachi.
-Bass was missing some easy shots, but he did a great job defending Horford.
-Anderson, JJ, and Q should be our only bench players now.
Can’t wait for the next game.
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
Pretty much all this.
This is just not a good series for Hibachi. Maybe against the Bulls he could play again but this is just a bad matchup for him. But Turk is getting wide open shots. J Rich is getting wide open shots. Bass is getting open shots. Anderson is getting open shots. They have to start making their shots. Really only JJ and Jameer are having tough times making shots sometimes.
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The NBA is not a good series for Arenas
by eltharion_doa on Apr 20, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I know it's stupid, but sometimes I still force myself to believe that if we go deep in the playoffs Arenas will win a game for us
As Marbury did for the Celtics in game 5 against us. Gil had like 3 good games in 50 games for us, so he could have 1 good game in 20 (let´s hope!).
Rafer could recognize
that he was there to play defense and run the offense. Arenas tries to show he’s the man outside of his current realm of abilities allow.
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That is just wrong
The guy is a basketball player, and still a decent one. He hasn’t played any worse than many of our other players, except with a much smaller amount of time to get into any rhythm.
Game1-
Hedo: 2-9; 6pts. 5 assists. 4 reb. in 38 minutes.
Arenas: 2-5; 6pts, 4 assists 0 Reb in 12 minutes.
The big deal is the turnovers where Arenas had 3 and Hedo had 1. I truly believe the issue with Arenas is that in both games, the Magic looked awful, and he came in thinking he had to make something happen instead of playing in the realm of the offense. That said, I think that is all the Magic player’s issue. They hit a lull in shot making, and lost faith and grew hesitant and started playing differently. Every time the Magic move the ball, they get a good shot. They just need to keep executing and believe.
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by Eric9321 on Apr 20, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good point
If he did not turn the ball over so much he would be ok. But Hinrich is just picking his pocket like nothing.
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Ha
If you think Arenas is “decent”, you have ridiculously low standards.
You’re right about the rest of the team stinking it up too but, unlike Arenas, they’ve actually played well at times this season so there is hope they can turn it around.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 21, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Arenas recently had a great game
all I was pointing out was that Arenas is still capable of playing basketball in this league. He has played well at times, if it weren’t for his turnovers which are ridiculously bad. Really though, it all boils down to the fact Arenas will be wearing the blue jersey for quite some time, and with that much of the payroll, so what other choice do I have but to believe he can contribute?
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He's basically had two really good games
3 decent ones, a few more where he wasn’t awful and has otherwise been a complete farce.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 21, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If he weren't signed up for the next almost half decade
I would be inclined to agree, but I have to believe he can turn it around. We need him to or we have Grant Hill #2.
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I don't really think so
I thought Arenas would actually match up better against this team. Hinrich is a bigger guy, not super fast or quick so he should be able o stay beside him, if not in front of him. His problem is all in the turnover department. He can’t go out there and just throw the ball away. Jameer shot horribly last game, but he ran the offense. That is all you have to do Arenas, run the offense and stop throwing the ball to the other team.
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by Eric9321 on Apr 20, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good point
The problem is you can not put Jameer and Arenas together unless the backcourt is Hinrich and Jeff Teague I guess. Jameer can not guard Crawford. Maybe take the ball out of Gil’s hands, and make Turk the PG.
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I agree
Arena seemed to like the ‘SG’ role last time. Let him go out there and shoot some, can’t do any worse than the others. Really. He can’t. It isn’t metrically possible.
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if Hinrich is in with Crawford.
Then you can possibly go JJ, Arenas, with Turk playing PG.
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Not really
Horford’s foul trouble really defended him.
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Horford never had foul trouble.
Larry Drew defended him in the first half, but Bass was good in the the second half against him.
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You didn't watch game 2 sir.
He picked up two early fouls and didn’t play the rest of the first half, coincidentally when the Magic made their run.
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I did.
I know he picked up two fouls. Larry Drew, the hawks head coach, stupidly benched him the entire half. He is getting panned from every one. Horford had no fouls the rest of the game. There was no reason not to bring him back in the second quarter. Hordord did not get a foul the rest of the game. You have to trust that your best and smartest player will stay out of foul trouble.
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Oh I know
I think Atlanta’s coach got a little over confident after game 1 and quarter one of game 2 that he assumed having four fouls in the second half was more important. Can’t expect him to make that mistake again. Then again, he probably thought Dwight would come out at some point as well. Guess he never heard of superman. I am still not enamored with Bass’s defense, I thought he did adequate, but the long downtime probably affected Horford more than Bass.
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His individual defense can be very good.
But his team defense is awful. Just horrendous. That is being generous.
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HUGE
Enormous win in Orlando, as Dwight’s supporting cast finally showed signs of life. Five other players had 8 points or more, and Jameer outplayed Kirk Hinrich all night long. His +12 +/- rating is pretty damn good for a playoff game. Check out the rest of the team’s stats:
http://sportstatistics.blogspot.com/2011/04/nba-playoffs-night-four.html
I want to take the time to apologize
It looks like this Magic team will make me break remotes and overall cry like a baby. I take this game way too seriously, and I admit it. So in the midst of the Magic looking like they would rather be at home than playing, forgive me if I have a crazed outburst or two in the threads.
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You are so right!
J.J. Redick coasted through that game. When he deflected Hinrich’s dribble, dove to the floor for the loose ball, and tossed it over his head to Nelson for a fast-break basket, he was just coasting. Where’s the heart?
Dwight played for 48 minutes, but really, all he does on either end is stand in the corner. Playing last night was like being home for him.
(Not)
You really got the impression last night that the Magic would rather be at home? Because if the answer is “yes,” there’s nothing I can say to help you.
by Evan Dunlap on Apr 20, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wow, I just love the sarcasm
And the way you act like your opinion of how the game looked is correct because you say so! Thanks for the petty way you attempted to belittle my sentiment. Is this how you run shop nowadays? Last game and the beginning of game 2 the Magic looked like single people rather than a team. In that way they were not committed to playing. Stop belittling my opinion with your I am mightier than thou art attitude. Or just ask a friend to punch you once to remind you that it isn’t the best idea to talk down to people.
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But as for your question
Yes, most of the players looked like they wanted nothing to do with the playoffs. They looked scared and hesitant. Which is pretty obvious since even Jameer looked lost in the first half of game 1, which he showed as once he played, he went off. Most of them looked the same, hesitant to step up with confidence and make the pass or shoot. And why bring up Dwight? Everyone knows he played, why don’t you tell me how J Rich is playing at the level he should be? I know, I know, you can’t help me cause my answer was yes. I can’t see many defenses for the way the Magic have played well below their capabilities except not being ready for the mental challenge. But really you bring up Dwight which was not part of the problem, and one play from our backup guard. Congrats! You are so right, the Magic are rocking! They could definitely win against the Lakers or Heat playing this way. Whatever.
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Of course
That is how people who are too full of themselves respond. I apologize for being too hard on the Magic while they under perform, and you respond by saying they haven’t. Even though the stats are on my side, the game film proves what I say, and every comment in the threads supports my theory. But yep, you are right. Because you write for a blog that must make it so. Get over yourself and quit acting like you are better than anyone else here. Gifted writer turned egotistical prick in the making.
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If you came away with the impression the Magic didn't want to win last night, you are hopeless and I can't help you.
by Evan Dunlap on Apr 20, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
If I gave that impression
than that is incorrect to a degree. Of course I think they want to win. I think they played hard as well. I am saying that I believe their mental fortitude was not where it should be and they were wilting under the pressure for five quarters. Once they had a few shots drop it helped, but was horrible to watch the way they played for those five quarters. Once they went into attack mode offensively and defensively, collectively, they played much better. I don’t understand why this viewpoint is ridiculed, I am not a good writer so I will just assume I am not conveying how I feel appropriately. This series reminds me of the start of the Boston series last year. I guess that is what I am saying. Just not cohesively imposing their will.
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Hmmmm...
“So in the midst of the Magic looking like they would rather be at home than playing, forgive me if I have a crazed outburst or two in the threads.”
Yeah, I guess that’s how you give off the impression that you felt the Magic didn’t want to win. I would chalk up all of these posts as fitting in with the latter part of your statement. Because yeah, those came off as crazed outbursts.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
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Whatever
Calling my view helpless is stupid. The Magic underperformed, I complained about it, I apologized for hating on the Magic whilst they played absolutely crappy. There was no need to comment condescendingly like he did. But thanks for joining in.
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"Playing crappy" and "not caring" aren't necessarily related. You can care a ton and play like garbage. You could not care at all and play great anyway.
The concept is fairly elementary.
Exactly
Playing hard and poorly is not the same as playing without emotion and playing poorly, obviously.
I cannot remember the last time I saw this team play as hard as they did in game 2. It wasn’t just JJ diving on the floor, they were all hitting the deck when they could. J-Rich was at least trying to attack the rim, he just got blocked (or fouled) when he did so.
Surprisingly, I feel like if they now realize that they can play with this type of energy every night, coupled with their shots eventually falling, they will be a very dangerous team.
So I guess what I am saying is I completely disagree with your assessment Eric and those are my reasons why. I now feel even more confident in this team than before.
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Yeah indeed
It is obvious I didn’t convey what I meant to, so I am sorry. I meant please forgive me for being ready to jump off the cliff while they were struggling mightily in the first five quarters of the playoffs.
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The frustration of the team not playing consistently well, could wrongly be framed as degrading to the team in the heat of emotional high. It is clear now that is not what you had in mind.
It is disappointing that they don’t have the swagger of last year’s team. That team was loaded at each position to the extent that players were firm and aggressive knowing that somebody was watching their backs. They also knew that – thanks to the depth of the bench – the back-ups could not only hold the fort down, but also be complementary to the starters at some positions.
Having that said, the team that showed up in the last game did not lack in “heart” and “hustle”, and that is all we can expect from the team. The issues of ‘confidence’ and ‘consistency’ are somewhat related to each other, and let’s hope as we find our way out of this series with ATL that our confidence builds up leading to better consistency in CHI’s series
Orlando Pinstriped Post-Where we have no idea which Magic team will show up tonight.
I wouldn’t want to play this Magic team. I mean, you can scheme for the worst-bad shooting and one-man offense-or scheme for the best-4/1 with great ball movement and dagger three-pointers-but you have no idea what you’re actually going to see.
I am beginning to suspect that not even Stan knows what he’s going to get night-in, night-out, and since he looks like the contents of his arteries are 60% barbecue sauce anyway, that can’t be healthy.
I think we’ll get past the hawks, but the good Magic better show up for round 2.
If Redfield is OPP's best poster, and he's holding something back every night how can you say that doesn't affect OPP? He's their best guy! Your best guy leads! Your best guy sets the tone for everyone else! When Redfield cruises through game threads, makes dumb jokes, earns even dumber recs and disappears during debates (he doesn't even rank in the top 125 for insightful responses to trolls this season), you don't think that has anything to do with OPP's uneven season?
by Redfield on Apr 20, 2011 4:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Agree
You never know who will show up. They carry the attitude of the Lakers and view themselves as Lakers East Coast. They can turn it on when they need to. This team has shown mental weakness and then mental fortitude. They can lock the Lakers down, or they can give up 132 points to OKC and GSW. The most craziest thing I have ever seen of a basketball team.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Two i like to point out.
1. Howard is gonna have to get some rest during the games. he can’t always go 48 minutes. it gonna take a toll on him sooner or later. whether playing both bass and ryno. or having clark playing 4-6 minute to give howard a breather. that bringing up my other point.
2.The others are gonna have to step up there game. j-rich, hedo, bass, ryno,j.j (even though he’s coming off injury that’s no excuse)
3.the D. although it was good it could have been better. there were to many open shots for the hawks,but they were just not hitting them (same with us). which bring me to my next point.
4.We are going to have to start making our shots. so many open shots and they are just not making them. all of u say they are are gonna start making them in time. but if they don’t start doing it next game it’s gonna pose a big problem for us.
Not sure how much better the Orlando D could have been on Tuesday...
Hawks could not get any open shots. They made yet again miracle shots. The only problem for Orlando, should they play with the same defensive intensity, is getting open shots to fall.
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I can't even fathom
after watching that game how Dwight is not MVP. It is that kind of defensive showing that reminds me that all my arguments that say Rose is acceptable are incredibly wrong.
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The only open shots I saw the Hawks taking were the ones that Orlando wanted them to take.
I.e., Josh Smith 3s, Al Horford 3s, Al Horford fall-away-jumper-off-wrong-foot-from-19-ft, etc.
Sure, the Hawks ran a good play now and again to get Jamaal Crawford open in the corner for a 3 but rarely did that happen.
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Its not a feel good win
But its nice to know that it takes the hawks a terrible shooting night by orlando AS WELL AS a tremendous shooting effort on their part to win
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by 4QB on Apr 21, 2011 1:56 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs

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