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Chicago Bulls 89, Orlando Magic 81

The Orlando Magic's four-game winning streak ended with a wet thud on Friday night as they dropped an 89-81 decision to the Chicago Bulls. Orlando limited All-Star point guard Derrick Rose to a mediocre game (24 points on 8-of-20 shooting, 4 assists, 5 turnovers) and played excellent defense on the Bulls' initial offense, but turned in an embarrassing effort on the glass, allowing Chicago to haul in 17 offensive rebounds in 42 chances. Allowing an opponent to get second and third scoring chances taxes one's defense and, not to overstate the obvious, limits how quickly one can score at the other end. The Magic trailed from the second period on and needed every break they could get to ignite their offense, but didn't hold serve on the defensive glass and, as a result, got burned.

Orlando's own inept halfcourt offense magnified its need for quick, easy scores. The Bulls are, by any measure, among the league's best defensive teams. They take away most of their opponents' first offensive options and do an outstanding job rebounding defensively, principles we saw tonight. The Bulls sagged off Magic power forward Brandon Bass, for example, freeing him for 12 points on 6-of-6 shooting in the first half. He and Dwight Howard, who finished with 20 points on 8-of-8 from the floor, didn't have too much trouble, but Orlando's perimeter players apart from Jason Richardson (16 points, 4-of-7 from three-point range) had a night to forget. Jameer Nelson, Quentin Richardson, J.J. Redick, and Gilbert Arenas combined for 24 points on 10-of-30 shooting.

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TeamPaceEfficiencyeFG%FT RateOReb%TO Rate
Bulls89100.045.2%16.940.521.3
Magic8991.048.6%18.613.218.0
Green denotes a stat better than the team's season average;
red denotes a stat worse than the team's season average.

If there's a key for this Magic team to get the best of the Bulls' defense, it starts with Nelson, who's crafty enough to get by Rose on most trips. Getting into the lane and drawing a second defender to the ball is a great way to disrupt what any defense, even a great one like Chicago's, wants to do. Nelson had a subpar game, though, with four turnovers and six assists, and just one of those assists came in the final three periods. Now, assists are context-dependent stats, as they require his teammates to make a basket for them to count. But it didn't appear to me as though Nelson generated many open looks for his teammates, even ones they missed.

Hedo Turkoglu, on whom the Magic rely as their secondary ballhandler, didn't fare any better. He banged his right elbow on the floor during a collision early in the game and was in obvious pain for the rest of the game, flexing it often and grimacing during breaks in play despite wearing a black compression sleeve. Turkoglu missed 4 of his 5 shots and dished 2 assists in 30 minutes. He did not factor into the game.

With all these negatives outlined, you might think the Magic got hammered, but you'd be wrong; they defended fairly well for most of the night, but didn't finish the job by pulling in those crucial defensive rebounds. Even with their poor outside shooting (6-of-23, 26.1 percent) and shoddy ballhandlin (16 turnovers in a slow game), they would have had a chance to win had they simply controlled the glass.

Bulls rookie Omer Asik fouled out in 31 minutes, but also hauled in a game-high 13 rebounds. Jason Richardson and Ryan Anderson, the Magic's second-leading rebounders, had five boards apiece. Asik topped them both himself.

True, the Magic were on the second night of a back-to-back and expended a lot of energy, particularly on the defensive end, in surmounting a 24-point deficit against the Miami Heat Thursday. The Bulls, in contrast, had a day off. I don't think that disparity is nearly enough to excuse a 50-30 rebounding margin.

The Magic have two days off before their next game, but that one will surely draw national attention. Howard picked up his 16th technical foul in this game as he swung his arms to shed the defense of Joakim Noah and Kyle Korver during a dead-ball situation. Should the league not rescind it, Howard will have to sit Monday night, per NBA rules. This outcome will surely cost him votes in the MVP race, in which he's currently a contender.

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Actually, Rose shot 9 of 20, not 8 of 20 as the recap states

He struggled with his ballhandling (4 assists to 5 turnovers) and three point shooting (0 for 5), but shot 9 of 15 on two pointers.

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by Mike from Illinois on Mar 4, 2011 11:40 PM EST reply actions  

The Magic reserves really struggled

After scoring 34 points against Miami, they combined to score 13 points against the Bulls on 3 of 20 FG shooting, including 2 of 13 on three pointers.

In contrast, the Bulls’ reserves scored 32 points and outrebounded the Magic reserves 23-7. I thought Asik did a heck of a job on Howard defensively.

The Magic started out very well, making 9 of their first 12 shots. For the rest of the first half after that, the Magic shot just 7 of 24 and were outscored 36-16 after they led 19-13.

The Magic were put in a really tough spot because of the schedule. They were coming off their most emotional win of the season against the Heat facing a Bulls’ team who had a day of rest, and the Bulls had a lot to prove after their embarrassing collapse against Atlanta Wednesday night.

I know that fatigue shouldn’t be used as an excuse, because this is the NBA and every team has to play back-to-backs, but it certainly played a part for the Magic with the Bulls’ outhustling the Magic and outrebounding them by so much.

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by Mike from Illinois on Mar 4, 2011 11:58 PM EST reply actions  

Again where is the energy at and where will it come frombesides playing catch up?

as i said before playing catch up isn’t always gonna work. the magic need to take command and control games instead of always trailing at the end of the 1st half. also need to stop forcing 3’s. work the inside. how did the bulls score? inside. the magic mostly have no inside game besides howard. bass and anderson need to help howard on the inside more. and help grab rebounds. how many off rebs did the bulls grabs. 16. to many 2nd chance points. well we won’t have howard for 1 game. and maybe we need this. so the others can get there act together.

by Lil J on Mar 4, 2011 11:58 PM EST reply actions  

Well, at least the Heat lost as well!

and much worse, too

/petty

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by TheGiantSquid on Mar 5, 2011 12:14 AM EST reply actions  

they didn't just lose, they got destroyed.

I even saw LeBrick and Wade getting called for offensive fouls in the highlights !!!

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by 44792212 on Mar 5, 2011 2:46 AM EST up reply actions  

All things considered, it was a very good week for the Magic

…and they’ve won 4 of their last 5 games, but like the saying goes, you can’t win ’em all.

It’s very disappointing to see Howard pick up his 16th technical foul, though. Sure, he got fouled hard, but he should be used to opposing teams fouling him hard. Be a man and go to the free throw line instead of doing something childish and immature that’s going to hurt your team.

As Evan mentioned in the recap, this will cost Howard votes in the MVP race, which is unfortunate.

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by Mike from Illinois on Mar 5, 2011 12:33 AM EST reply actions  

Next year.

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by slickw143 on Mar 5, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, Stan is "happy" with the Team he has...

Wonder though… now it’s one suspension for every TWO Techs; how will the Magic cope with ANOTHER 2-3 suspensions? Will the Owners be as “happy” with their investment; tens of millions in TAX PENALTIES, with DIMINISHED RESULTS???

I don’t think so…

by manny55 on Mar 5, 2011 2:44 AM EST reply actions  

Just gotta make it to the playoffs when the technical foul tally resets

I hope Dwight learns something from this. Maybe an embarrassing loss is necessary for it to sink in that we need him on the court

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Mar 5, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

we definitely need a back up C

but expecting OTIS to do that would just dissapoint us. I hope d12 wouldnt get injured with the amount of playing time he plays every game.

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by Hbkid on Mar 5, 2011 5:31 AM EST reply actions  

Bulls played "Celtic" ball last night.

Considering that their coach is the old defensive mind for the Celtics, it’s not surprising that they simply photocopied the game plan that the Celtics use against the Magic. A positive take is that the Magic were actually in this game despite having such a rough night. They’re defense will obviously not win lots of kudos in a loss, but it played very well for a lot of the game.

I think many of us expected a bit of a letdown game, and this was a “not terrible” one at least. Losing by 8, holding the Bulls to 89 and Rose to an average game. The Bulls did nothing special besides destroying the boards. If that’s the only area that the Magic have to step up in next game…well, that’s an area they have the ability to do so.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Mar 5, 2011 9:52 AM EST reply actions  

I seriously have no fear of the bulls.

They have no offense and Rose is inefficient. Let him jack 30 shots if he wants to. His shooting percentage for 3’s lately has been horrendous. No MVP in my book. And is defense is really suspect. I get that he is humble and everything, but to me they are winning because of Thib’s not Rose.

Roll Bass and War Ryno for me

by Mateo9399 on Mar 5, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Their defense is not suspect.

I think a 7-game series with the Magic could go either way…but I think that the Magic determine the outcome more than the Bulls. If they show up, they’ll win. If they slack (as they sometimes do), the Bulls take it.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Mar 5, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Rose won't garner any defensive player of the year votes...

…but he has improved considerably on the defensive end of the floor from his first two years.

He held Deron Williams to 11 points on 5 of 13 shooting and Chris Paul to 15 points on 3 of 10 shooting last month.

Rose got the better of his matchup with Jameer Nelson Friday, holding him to 14 points on 7 of 15 shooting; much better than he did in their first matchup when Nelson torched Rose for 24 points.

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by Mike from Illinois on Mar 5, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course the Bulls are winning because of Thibodeau

…but the fact the Rose is the only NBA player in the top ten in scoring and assists might have just a little bit to do with their success also.

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by Mike from Illinois on Mar 5, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, Howard deserved that tech. It won't be resinded.

However, I’m more than a little annoyed at how in the replay you see Noah him Howard in the head — twice — as well as Korver hanging on his arm. Those types of plays can put players, even ones as strong as Howard, at a risk of injury.

There are times that Howard makes stupid mistakes and gets T’d up…but I can’t say that I wouldn’t have done the same. In fact, I can’t say that any player in the league wouldn’t react in much the same way if they got hammered like that. The difference is that if Noah hit almost any other player in the league like that, it would have resulted in flagrant foul.

Whatever, he sits against Portland. We’ll see Bass start at C, as well as Clark seeing some playing time. Hopefully he can step up.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Mar 5, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Dwight must've been incredibly gassed last night

No reason Dwight should only have 10 boards with Chicago’s FG%

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by Souwantmyname on Mar 5, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a rookie. So if by career you meant 60 games....

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by JeffShann3 on Mar 6, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

If he were worth a darn...

he wouldn’t have been a 2nd round pick and wouldn’t play only 12 minutes a game.

by GameManager on Mar 6, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

He's averaging over 11 boards per 36 min.

He’s played solid D from all accounts this year. He’s playing in a front line of Boozer, Noah, and Taj Gibson (having a down year this year, but still has a bright future), so yeah, he’s not going to get 30 minutes a game.

Gortat averaged 12 minutes a game in his second year after hardly playing his first year. He’s not going to be as good as Gortat, but he’s going to be a player. It’s a good sign when you’re getting any minutes on a contender in your rookie season.

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by slickw143 on Mar 6, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok...

perhaps I was a bit harsh in saying Asik’s a “career scrub” or isn’t “worth a darn.” He seems like a nice backup/rotational Center and someone I’d like to have behind Dwight but as a starter, no thanks. True, the Bulls have a pretty deep frontcourt but keep in mind that Noah’s missed half of the season for the Bulls. The only player keeping Asik from starting in that span is a 38-year-old Kurt Thomas. Even then, he couldn’t beat out ole’ Kurt.

by GameManager on Mar 6, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Thomas was more than solid in place of Noah

Also, the Bulls could have had Courtney Lee if they had agreed to trade Omer Asik to Houston, but the Bulls said no thanks.

They know how important it is to have solid front-court depth.

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by Mike from Illinois on Mar 6, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

To me we still don't need a big.

Yes I know Howard is suspended. But someone please tell me when this other big suppose to play? One game? Who do you guys want? I mean seriously? Bass, Clark, and Anderson can get the job done for a game. And yes I understand we are only a game up on Atlanta, but Dwight should understand that. Don’t blame Otis for Dwight getting technicals. As for this game, Richardson is the only guy who had any juice tonight. He should of had like 30 shots. Him and Dwight had juice. I put the onus on the players to see who has the hot hand and keep feeding them. They had been doing that pretty well the last few games, but fell back into making sure everyone has a piece of the pie.

Roll Bass and War Ryno for me

by Mateo9399 on Mar 5, 2011 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

Again one game?? That's not a good enough reason.

There no bigs out there. I know Portland is a good team, but the guards are going to have to have a big game against them. J Rich should be able to slash to the rim and get some free throw attempts. The Vaunted 5 out 0 in offense will be on display.

Roll Bass and War Ryno for me

by Mateo9399 on Mar 5, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Bass is a more than capable post player

He usually cant show that part of his game due to Howard clogging the paint

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by Souwantmyname on Mar 5, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you're using "clogging the paint" in reference to the wrong player.

Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

by MoveThoseChains on Mar 6, 2011 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

bass can't post up

his work in the post is sloppy and very unrefined. Bass’ offensive skill set is the mid range jumper, driving in, and shooting foul shots.

by Malston on Mar 6, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

we have no slashers

other than Jameer and Clark, are players are jump shooters. J-Rich is a catch and shooter, b/c his handles are not good enough to slash to the basket. I’ve seen him lose control of his dribble in PHX and here in ORL. there are no bigs there? LaMarcus Aldrige and Marcus Camby might argue w/ you.

by Malston on Mar 5, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe...

he was talking about how there aren’t any bigs currently on the market worth signing, which is true. None of them would be an upgrade over Malik Allen.

by GameManager on Mar 5, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

You guys remember how bad malik Allen was?

He takes bad 15 ft. jumpers and cant reound or defend to save his life. he also cant protect the rim at all due to his age. Guy should be working on his golf game in West Palm beach.

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by Souwantmyname on Mar 5, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

apologies

thought you meant that the Blazers didn’t have bigs and that’s why our guards would be able to slash in w/ ease. again apologies

by Malston on Mar 5, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not going to panic over this loss since I kind of expected it, but...

the Bulls? Seriously? The same team that blew a 17 point first half lead to the Hawks who will be lucky to make it past the first round this year? We really should be able to handle them. On a side note, it’s going to suck to be without Dwight for a game since it’ll allow the Hawks to gain some ground on us.

by GameManager on Mar 5, 2011 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

And...

LMA could drop 40 on us while Camby collects 20 boards.

by GameManager on Mar 5, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd probably have him D LMA though.

Camby will do next to nothing on offense so I’d feel comfortable with Bass guarding him despite being a few inches shorter. I think Ryno has a better chance of keeping LMA in front of him and forcing him to shoot mid-range J’s. I think Clark will see a lot of minutes because LMA is a good matchup for him.

by GameManager on Mar 5, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

LMA can do whatever he wants against Bass in that matchup

Ryno has the best chance at “limiting him.” LMA has been in beast mode for the past month anyway

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by Souwantmyname on Mar 5, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

The Bulls are going to be a factor in the playoffs.

Underestimate this team at your own peril. They’ve had a lot of quality wins already this year, and they’ll only get better.

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by slickw143 on Mar 5, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

The Bulls are now 15-9 against winning teams

…while the Magic are 12-15 against winning teams.

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by Mike from Illinois on Mar 5, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

If you read John Hollinger's article he explains that is never really made a big deal in playoffs.

I have the Bulls as the third best team in the east, behind Boston and Orlando. The Heat are really in a funk and despite Wade and Bron being mismatches for every other team, the other three top teams have mismatches at all three other positions. Bosh has looked out of place and to me will be outplayed by KG, Boozer or Bass/Anderson combo. The thing with Chicago is that they have no offense whatsoever. They are a middle of the pack offense. To win a title most teams have a top 10 offense and defense. If the Magic were to have had one day off, which they will in the postseason, the Magic would have beat them.

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by Mateo9399 on Mar 5, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Good defensive teams can shut down any one player

Rose will struggle in the playoffs

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by Souwantmyname on Mar 5, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

In Hollinger's latest power rankings...

…he has the Bulls at number two and the Magic at number seven.

Part of what you say is true… the Bulls do have trouble on offense at times, but they do have an elite-level defense. Look at the game against the Magic… the 89 points the Bulls scored is certainly not what anyone would consider good offense, but they still outscored the Magic by eight points, thanks to their rebounding, defense and bench play; but yeah, the Magic would have likely played better if they had a day off, as the Magic’s fatigue did play a part in the loss.

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by Mike from Illinois on Mar 5, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

In my mind, it's more about prep time than fatigue

I mean, the fatigue doesn’t help, but the real issue in games like Friday is that the team with extra time off has many more hours to work on a game plan for a specific team than the team on a back to back.

I like the Magic’s chances vs. the Bulls in the postseason.

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by EnnBee on Mar 7, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

You're right about the prep time

Coach Thibodeau conducted a hard practice Thursday for the Bulls after they blew the game against Atlanta the night before, and no doubt that helped the Bulls coming into the game against the Magic.

I think it would be a fantastic playoff series between the two teams that likely would go seven games.

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by Mike from Illinois on Mar 7, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

This is quite the accomplishment. I totaly agree with Slick, do not underestimate

this team. They have demonstrated in the recent past that they play tough in the playoffs and this time they have a better team and a great coach. The fact that after the game where Noah had zero rebounds, they destroyed us on the boards two times to basicly win the games thanks to that, says something about that team.

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by 44792212 on Mar 6, 2011 2:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Assuming we make it to the 2nd round like I believe we will...

who would you rather face? The Bulls or Celtics? Even though the Celtics traded Perkins, I think I’d still take my chances with the Bulls.

by GameManager on Mar 6, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

They're both well-suited to beat us.

So I’m not thrilled with either match-up, to be honest.

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by slickw143 on Mar 6, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly at this point

I’d rather see the C’s in the 2nd round, simply because I think they traded away their one big advantage they had. It wasn’t obviously that Perkins had an advantage over Dwight, that isn’t what I am saying at all. What I mean is they had the ability to try and cover Howard 1 on 1 and stay home on the shooters, and now they definitely don’t have that luxury (I don’t think Shaq can handle Dwight 1 on 1 anymore).

I think Miami has all sorts of trouble with Chicago and I think Chicago takes them in the 2nd round. If we can get past Boston in the 2nd and face Chicago in the ECF, I think we have a legit chance of winning that series. I am not calling for a sweep or anything, and I do think Chicago is quite talented, but I think that they can be beaten in 7 games. Chicago could also just as easily win a series against us as well, so it won’t be easy but I think that would be the best-case scenario for this team.

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by JeffShann3 on Mar 7, 2011 2:28 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Considering...

the C’s have had trouble putting away bad teams after the trades, even after signing Murphy, you may be on to something. However, their experience does still scare me to an extent because this time of year last year, they were pretty much in the same boat we’re in now and everyone dismissed them but they ultimately went on to the Finals. With that said, a series with either team would be tough.

by GameManager on Mar 7, 2011 2:39 AM EST up reply actions  

The problem is the the Thibbs mugging philosophy of both teams

Is it any wonder that now that Thibbs is coaching the Bulls you see multiple guys mauling and hanging on to Dwight LOOONNGGG after the whistle blows (and I’m not just talking about the technical foul play).

It seems to me that his teams are coached to take cheap shots after the whistle and try to tie up a guy long after it’s necessary to prevent the shot in order to get under their skin because the refs never ever seem to punish such activity. The Celtics used to be really the only ones to do that much, but I’ve noticed the same thing in the last couple of Bulls games as well.

Maybe it’s just a coincidence, but I doubt it. The real question is what can you do about it?

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by EnnBee on Mar 7, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Hedo REALLY wanted the night off.

Hedo, who’s been known to take a night or two off and pull the occasional “Hedo flu” sick day, clearly wanted no part in this game. I know he bumped his elbow a lil bit but he was yawning in the huddle prior to that. Even turned the funny bone bump into a looker room visit before trainer & coaches convinced him he was fine. Brendon Malone was clearly irritated by this in his brief halftime interview.
Point is, our stagnant offense last night could have bennifited from an active, aggressive Hedo pushing the pace and moving the ball.
Also, can we take better advantage of J-Rich earlier in the game? When he start letting em’ fly late when we’re in desperation comeback mode he tears it up. How bout we get that started a little earlier. Just a thought.

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by Matty B on Mar 5, 2011 12:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Yet he still got 30 minutes of PT

That is one the coaches. Stop playing and chw him out when the game is over and try to dock a game check

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by Souwantmyname on Mar 5, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

There's really only one reason we lost.

Rebounds. Everything else was a wash. Nelson and Rose both had inefficient games. Dwight outscored the Chicago centers, but got outrebounded as well. Our second unit got outrebounded. Arenas was terrible. JJ’s shot was way off. I expected a letdown, and it just showed its head in a big way on the defensive glass. I don’t care about the offense, because the Bulls are an elite defensive team. A low scoring game is to be expected.

If Chicago doesn’t get half of those offensive boards, we’re talking about a great defensive performance tonight. However, it doesn’t work that way, and you have to close out each possession.

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by slickw143 on Mar 5, 2011 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

jj ’sbeen having some bad luck matchups lately

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by Souwantmyname on Mar 5, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a reason why Dwayne Jones isn't playing in the NBA

…Four NBA teams in five seasons, plus four other teams who he didn’t play in a game for (including the Magic in 2008, who released him before the season), and an NBA career average of 1.3 points and 2.3 rebounds in 7.8 minutes per game, along with a 10.1 PER.

Success in the D-League does not necessarily translate to success in the NBA.

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by Mike from Illinois on Mar 6, 2011 5:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Otis, are you trying to make things worse by saying this kind of nonsense?

“I like our team the way it is. I know it’s not what everybody wants to hear. It’s not sexy. I guess I’m not sexy enough. Sorry, I’m going to stay with what I have. We’ll put No. 12 out there and let everybody else out there get all the bigs to battle No. 12. It’s not the other way around.”
Then to put icing on that clearly ignorant statement he followed with:
“Unless the big man is Patrick Ewing or Alonzo Mourning 15 years ago, then I think I’m good,” Smith said. “I don’t know how many ways I can say that. But just to get size just to say we got size? I’m not so sure I know what that does for us.”
How many times in the not so distant past did he talk about why Gortat was valuable to us? Out of his own mouth comments like:
“When your superstar center has to come off of the court you don’t want too much of a drop off”.
Or:
“If Dwight get’s into foul trouble or has to miss a game it’s key to have a quality big to be able to hold that spot down”
Now those last two quotes are not exact so don’t give me a hard time about listing the source but if you’ve followed the Magic at all you know those were constant lines used in reference to having a guy like Gortat around. So for Otis to pull a philosophical 180’ especially in the looming face of a Dwight Howard suspension, seems insane and unnecessary. It would be way better to just keep your mouth shut they to try to throw that BS out. Especially to informed Magic fans who know that’s garbage. I think he clearly is a little frazzled about having let the trade deadline slip by, perhaps thinking he had an “in” with Troy Murphy, only to see Troy go to our arch rival the Celtics. But instead trying to go with a plan B he’s pretending that the idea of a solid backup is a silly thought. How dumb of us to think that way.
Bass is 6’6’’ (did you see him standing next to Lebron? James had a full 2 inches on Bass) and Anderson doesn’t have the strength or grit to battle any hard nosed big men. I know we don’t want to just grab any bum but we do need a backup center. There’s no doubt about that. Otis is looking us in the face and telling us the 2+2 doesn’t equal 4. For our sake I hope he’s right somehow. But for my sake I hope Otis is fired after this season.

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by Matty B on Mar 6, 2011 1:30 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Bass is 6'7"

LeBron is 6’9"

Roll Bass and War Ryno for me

by Mateo9399 on Mar 6, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know how you guys feel but we need size for the sake of having size.

All of this “there’s nobody good enough” stuff. Make no sense to me. There’s no one out there ideal…that’s for sure. But they are (were now) guys who can play a role. Before Jameer got hurt in 08-09 would you guys say Rafer is the guy we need to get us to the top? I’m not on the fire Otis bandwagon because he is part of why the Magic are close to the top. But i do think he is a clown for thinking Dwight could go the 2nd half of the season without missing some games. All is not lost. We can still do damage in the postseason. I just strongly disagree about not getting a big body to play a role.

by Memphissleek on Mar 6, 2011 12:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Who?

Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Mar 6, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

What's the point of having another big if...

he’s going to play as poorly or worse than Malik Allen or Daniel Orton?

by GameManager on Mar 6, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think there's anyone worse than Malik. But the time has passed. There's no one now.

I didnt agree with Otis putting everything on Murphy. Murphy would’ve been like having another Ryan. I wonder if he went for a Joel P or a Muhammad…those physical guys. Malik isn’t even physical defensively and he’s a jump shooting big.

by Memphissleek on Mar 6, 2011 3:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He played about as well as Thabeet in the D-League.

He also didn’t do much at all at Kentucky. So yeah. He’s young, but he’s terrible now.

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by slickw143 on Mar 6, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Why not?

Can I not project how he would’ve done this season had it not been for injuries? Yeah, as slick said, he would’ve been horrible but the guys available wouldn’t be much better.

by GameManager on Mar 6, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL. Okay. Okay. Orton would pretty bad too.

But I do think he’ll be aggressive on defense. He blocks with both hands I believe. But Malik is a waste. I don’t him being good for anything. He could at be able to take somebody out, if needed.

by Memphissleek on Mar 6, 2011 8:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Orton averaged 3.3 points and 3.4 rebounds in one year in college. You think he is the answer to D12's back up???

Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew

by Both_Teams_Played_ on Mar 6, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

and just like that los Bulls swept the Heat this reg season

and they even tried to give them the game in the last 2min

Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.

by 44792212 on Mar 6, 2011 3:31 PM EST reply actions  

doesn't matter, they've been "nice" to the heat enough so far.

And now we know that if you wanna beat them you need to let Lebrick take the last shot.

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by 44792212 on Mar 6, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Rose's teammates bailed him out at the end there

Up until the final two minutes, Rose was having a quality game but a careless turnover and an airball by Rose put the Heat in position to take the lead after trailing by six.

Once again, the Bulls’ elite defense carries them to victory, and they beat yet another quality team.

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by Mike from Illinois on Mar 6, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, Rose was not very happy with himself at the ITW after the end and rightfully so..

I thought he was pullin’ a KB and holding the ball too much. But still, I’m glad they won.

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by 44792212 on Mar 6, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Any team...

That has a big that can guard LeBron James on a switch is going to be good defensively.

As I said earlier, people can underestimate the Bulls at their own peril.

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by slickw143 on Mar 6, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

After today...

I’d much rather face the Heat than the Bulls or Celtics in the 2nd round. But that’s not going to happen since the Heat have a hard remaining schedule and are looking at the third seed now. I still rest my case about rather facing the Bulls than the Celtics in the 2nd round but since the Celtics are much older, they are much more prone to injury so anything can happen.

by GameManager on Mar 6, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather face the Bulls than the Celtics too.

But neither matchup gives me a lot of confidence.

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by slickw143 on Mar 6, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm comfortable with this team taking on Chicago.

Before the stomach virus, Orlando beat them in their house by 29. The Bulls won the next match in January, when Orlando couldn’t tie its own shoes without losing one. This game definitely comes with an asterisk. The Magic were obviously way to fatigued emotionally and physically following the Miami game the previous night.

If things stay on track, Orlando will have to go through Atlanta, NY (or Miami, if they can play through the tears) and Boston to get to the finals. It’s doable.

by MagicPhan on Mar 6, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

We beat them by 29 with half of a different team.

Just sayin’.

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by slickw143 on Mar 6, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm. Never? Well, yeah, but...it was 2 games.

And I just said that. I also added some other stuff like causative or contributing factors in those losses, from which you might extrapolate my hesitation to fear the Bulls.

I guess optimism is nerdy around here. Not seeing much of it.

by MagicPhan on Mar 6, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't see you noting that and still don't. But its all good man. CHILL.

A simple “yea, I said that earlier” would’ve worked. You have an impressive vocabulary btw…you should be proud.

by Memphissleek on Mar 6, 2011 10:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah...

where was, “Mr. League MVP,” in those waning minutes of the game? Oh that’s right, he nearly cost them the game!

by GameManager on Mar 6, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

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