Lee: Rashard Lewis May Miss Season due to Right Knee Trouble
by Evan Dunlap on Mar 17, 2011 11:15 AM EDT
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Washington Wizards forward Rashard Lewis plans to visit a knee specialist in New York today to "receive a third opinion on the sore right knee that has kept him sidelined for the past five games," reports Michael Lee of the Washington Post. The 31-year-old veteran is experiencing discomfort in the knee and would like to avoid surgery if possible, but has been unable to play through the pain so far.
The Orlando Magic traded Lewis to Washington in December for Gilbert Arenas after a disappointing start to the season, in which Lewis struggled to shift back to his theoretically more natural position of small forward to make way for Brandon Bass in their starting five. Lewis averaged only 12.2 points per game with the Magic this season, his fourth in Orlando, down from 14.1 last year. He's scoring even less (11.4 points) in D.C., but is shooting better from the floor (46.4 percent) and contributing in other areas (5.8 rebounds, 2 assists) in which he made a minimal impact in Magic pinstripes.
Does Lewis' injury at all change your opinion of the trade which brought Arenas to town? The veteran combo guard is shooting just 34.9 percent with Orlando and has committed too many turnovers, but he's also provided an upgrade over Chris Duhon, who entered the season as Jameer Nelson's backup and has played erratically at best.
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Knowing the regulars of this board the way I do,
the results will be overwhelmingly in favor of option number 2.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Mar 17, 2011 11:18 AM EDT reply actions
I hate playing the hindsight game.
But if you’re so determined to play it, let’s play it in a couple years when Rashard’s contract has expired and Gilbert’s hasn’t. Or maybe next year when Rashard is healthy again and Arenas WILL NEVER BE HEALTHY AGAIN. Or maybe right now when we only refer to Arenas as an upgrade over Duhon in the same way that maximum security prison is an upgrade over solitary confinement at a maximum security prison. It doesn’t really matter which option is technically better when they’re both so bad.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Mar 17, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I think we get it. Your sig could've said it for you.
Or any of your other posts that somehow seem to morph back into hating Gilbert. I don’t usually defend players who perform poorly, but just because you liked Lewis and hate Gil doesn’t justify continuing to hate the trade when for this year at the very least it made us better, even if only marginally better.
I understand your upset about the length of Gil’s contract vs. the length of Lewis’, but that shouldn’t even be a worry for you to bring up until the new CBA is completed and we see where we stand on that front.
Basketball wise, it was a good move. We shall see on the financial side later.
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
Do you know what I hate?
Bad players on a team I care deeply about. Nothing personal; if Arenas were actually playing well and if the trade were actually a good basketball move (which it was not, contrary to your opinion), I’d love Arenas.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Mar 17, 2011 4:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So you completely ignore my point about how Lewis was the worst PF on the team...
I assume you also contend that Duhon is not worse than Arenas?
You say that my point is incorrect, and yet do not provide any reasoning as to why you think it isn’t. Look, I get that you don’t like his contract or his play, but he is better than Duhon and Lewis was the 3rd best PF on the team. That is the basketball side of it.
The contract side of things is something I will leave alone until I see what happens with the new CBA.
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
So you completely ignore my point that Arenas will never be healthy again...
3rd best PF on the team? Debatable. Bass hasn’t done much of anything lately. But even as the 3rd best PF, he still wasn’t a terrible player, unlike Arenas. And he will recover just fine from a sore knee, unlike Arenas who has much worse problems.
I’ll go ahead and ignore the money stuff right now, because you do have a point about waiting for the new CBA (though it’s not great to have to pray for a nebulous financial rescue). And though I can mention that it’s generally not a good idea to trade a big for a small, I’ll boil it down to this bottom line: it is never a good basketball move to trade a player for a worse player. And it’s as simple as that.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Mar 17, 2011 5:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Depends what healthy means, honestly. I do think he can become a top-6th man in the league. Which if you ask the Lakers, can mean a lot.
"(Dwight) Howard averages 23 points and 14 rebounds per game and is the defensive basketball equivalent of a guy carrying a bazooka during laser tag. No one wants to play with that kid."-Matt Moore
Im not ignoring it at all.
You cannot possibly know that about Arenas though. You are not God. You are not Gilbert. I will not pretend to know anything about anyone else’s injuries, other than it takes time to recover and some people recover and some people don’t, and at much different paces. I don’t know how you can claim to know that Lewis will be fine and also know that GIlbert will not be, unless you are a doctor and have examined both of their knees personally. And even then, it wouldn’t be fact, just simply your opinion.
He (Lewis) might not have been a terrible player, but the 3rd best at any position doesn’t get any minutes, so he effectively would’ve been registering DNP-CD’s like Malik as the 3rd best PF. Gil might be a worse player, but he’s still a better backup PG than Duhon.
My point is this: We might have traded one bad player for another, and the player we received might be slightly worse. However, that player we received is a better player at his position than the player we traded. So in that sense, and really that is the only thing that matters (other than the finances), it makes basketball sense.
We can both agree that it isn’t a good idea to hope for a financial rescue from a future negotiation that hasn’t even begun to take place yet.
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
Lewis was not the 3rd best PF on the team...
at the time he was struggling no doubt….but not 3rd best no way
he was playing better than....who?
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
exactly
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
Here we go....
I can’t justify trading an underperforming $20 mil starter for an underperforming $20 mil backup.
Let’s hope Arenas becomes a little something more.
I’m surprised by the number of people who liked the trade from the start and by the people who think this injury makes the trade that much better.
If anything, the injury is justification to not have traded Lewis. Supporters of the move say we needed to make floor time for RynoBass. Rashard’s injury would have allowed that to happen.
Here's how you do it.
For this season and next, it was a good move because Lewis was our third best PF. Arenas is the 2nd best PG on the team. It improved the team for this year and next.
We shall see how it looks in year 3, when his contract is still on the books and Lewis’ wouldn’t be (at least not fully guaranteed) But…..new CBA…..
So I will not try to predict something so far into the future with imminent changes coming to the CBA before his contract expires.
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
Wait, there is a new CBA coming?
:)
"(Dwight) Howard averages 23 points and 14 rebounds per game and is the defensive basketball equivalent of a guy carrying a bazooka during laser tag. No one wants to play with that kid."-Matt Moore
by fwedo on Mar 17, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
Even according to your standard, it's not a good move. It was a pointless move.
The Magic got one not very good player with injury limitations in exchange for another not very good player who now apparently also has injury limitations. In either case, the Magic remain a wildcard type playoff team whose only real shot at a deep run is Dwight Howard dominating and shooters getting hot.
The cost for that pointless move was the Magic assuming the risk of being locked up with a terrible contract for extra years. It’s perfectly fair to evaluate that risk at the present without waiting for this summer. Besides, hoping to be bailed out by a revolutionized CBA seems analogous to counting on a hail mary pass at the end of a football game. You may be comfortable with those odds, but a lot of other people aren’t.
*extra year. as in 1. and also, maybe.
I am extremely comfortable with the odds of their being a new CBA that favors the owners. I’ll even give you odds if you believe it won’t.
Last time I will say it, because I don’t know how many times I have to say it for some people to comprehend my fairly simple posts.
Upgrade at backup PG.
Upgrade at Power Forward, and backup PF.
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
Not defensively in either case.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
I don't think Duhon has been all that special on the defensive end.
I’d agree Arenas isn’t a good defender by any stretch of the imagination, but let’s not pretend like Duhon is a good defender.
I don’t think Bass or Anderson are much worse defenders than Lewis at all. They are both better rebounders and I just don’t think the drop off (if there is one) on defensive rotations and/or 1 on 1 defense is too significant to negate the positives they bring on offense. (Anderson more than Bass, as of late)
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
Duhon is a better defender than Arenas.
There is no reason to even debate that.
Bass is a much worse team defender than Lewis is, and Ryan’s only recently making strides in that area. However, Ryan is a worse one-on-one defender than Lewis is. Lewis was a better passer than either, and a better low-post player than either (although his low-post game was vastly underutilized here). Lewis was productive while in Washington until he began to sit out with his knee with nothing to play for. He could’ve split time with Anderson at the PF spot while Bass played back-up 5 minutes, instead of us now having to rely on Malik Allen to fill in when there’s foul trouble issues.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
You conceitedly equate disagreement with lack of understanding.
I got your point but think it’s dumb.
Upgrade of Arenas as backup PG = Meaningless, insignificant upgrade. Not worth the risk in my view of making the roster situation even worse.
You're right.
I’m conceited and make dumb comments. I never back them up with reasoning and/or facts and constantly use pure conjecture and personal, biased opinions to make my points.
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
I don't think that Rashard's current knee status should be a factor in evaluating the trade unless it was a known element at the time of the trade.
Assumptions have been made that Rashard was the third best PF on the team which is far from the truth since until traded he was a starter, and that speaks volume with coach Van Gundy’s trust in him. Besides his shooting – picking up towards the trade date – his defense was superior to that of Ryan or Brandon. Additionally, as MoveThoseChains has mentioned, a healthy Rashard would still figure highly in Magic’s schematic plans, something Arenas is doubtful to be able to do.
Financially, an extra year at $22+M is a huge difference not only in pure monetary sense but also in the fact that at 2012/13 Rashard’s contract would have been an expiring contract – with all the advantages that comes with it – but Arenas’ is not going to be. Factor financial considerations in potential impact on Dwight’s retention, and then tell me how one may label the trade?
As you hinted, this may have been a known element.
I strongly suspect that Otis saw this coming. There mantra being “win a championship now”, a trade would seem mandatory. With the slight hope that the new CBA would get them off the hook.
How could Otis have seen something coming that didn't exist yet?
Rashard continued to play for months after the trade; clearly there was nothing wrong with the knee yet.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Mar 17, 2011 3:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
playing for months and playing with a lingering knee injury for months is different.
I dont think Otis could know something was wrong with his knee and him still have passed his physical. And aside, didn’t Lewis say his knee was troubling him like a week after he got to Washington?
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
Didn't exist yet?
From Lew’s own blog, dated April 13, 2010, he says “My knee could use a little rest, but I’d rather have my game and my shot tight when the playoffs roll around.”
Lewis’ “sore knee” was reported in Washington just a few weeks after he joined the team.
Otis is very secretive. I’m not willing to rule out that he saw this coming.
There's being secretive, and then there's being able to have a player pass a physical administered by doctors employed by another team.
And since he passed, I’m convinced this is nothing he couldn’t play through on a contending team with something to play for.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Mar 17, 2011 6:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He sat out a few games with a sore knee...
He played the vast majority of games he was eligible for, excluding the 10 game suspension. He did not miss two years because of an injury.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Yeah. And now he's down hard. You and I didn't see this coming but Otis did.
You would think we would learn something after the Grant Hill ankle ordeal.
He's sitting out a meaningless season.
How many games did Lewis miss with us before? Again, this proves literally nothing. Otis also said that Arenas was a “sleeping giant”, so I don’t think foresight is his greatest strength.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
This is a really good point.
For all we know, Gilbert would be sitting out the rest of the season with his knee troubles if he were still in Washington.
Thank you.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
I dont know what you were watching, but Lewis was not playing well
and was consistently being outplayed by either backup PF. That to me, makes him 3rd best on the depth chart.
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
Rashard was a starter, wasn't he? Unless you are challenging coach Van Gundy's judgement, how could he be the 3rd best?
Rashard has always been a smart defender, and people are still talking about it. Additionally, the financial issues could not be set aside awaiting an unknown in new CBA, since we don’t know what the new CBA would be like. Meanwhile, we cannot stop planning for the future although one can “render a guess” that it would be favoring the owners. If that is the basis for advocating in favor of the trade, I would like to see what the reasoning is.
because I watched the games and saw that he was being outperformed by Anderson and Bass.
In terms of the financial aspect, that is precisely why I think it must be tabled. The deals are the same until the 2012/2013 summer, and until a new CBA comes in (hopefully before that) we cannot and should not worry about something we do not know.
People that worry about extraterrestrial life are wasting their time, because we do not have the capabilities of pretending to know if something else is out there. We can only make guesses. I would prefer to avoid playing the guessing game.
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
So your judgement based on observation precedes the coach's judgement who wanted Rashard as a starter in either PF or SF position?
As you know as a business major, future planning is detrimental in conducting any and all businesses. If we can forecast – with any degree of certainty – what the new CBA would be like, and assume that it is going to favor owners, the question is why is it in Magic’s favor to own Arenas’ contract as opposed to Rashard’s contract? Isn’t it true then that the new CBA has no correlation with which contract to own, hence a moot factor in this discussion?
From the other hand, we need to convince Dwight that the future is bright for Orlando Magic, if we have not already won a championship, and how would that feel that Arenas’ albatross of a contract is hanged around Magic’s neck for two more years at the time the summer of 2012 rolls in?
You asked me a question as to why I thought he was the 3rd best PF, I answered it.
I don’t know more than Stan does about basketball, not pretending to. But from what I saw, the better players were on the bench. Lewis was a better defender than Bass and he MAY have been better than Anderson on D, but he was not so much better that it made up for his lack of production on the offensive end. Tough though for me, who only gets to watch the games and not practices or be in the film sessions, to say who prepares or plays better defensively. It seems to me though that Dwight was and has been able to make up for that small difference (that I could see) on the defensive end.
I cannot forecast what the CBA will be like as I have heard mixed answers at best from people much more in the know than I, and unless I am invited to partake in future discussions about the new CBA (which I would absolutely love to be a part of) I am not in any position to make an educated forecast.
I agree with your guess that it will favor the owners, but I have no idea what would be the result of that. If we infer that their will be some sort of financial relief from burdensome contracts such as Arenas’ or Lewis’, and the fact that if such allowances are in place before either contract ends, it is a moot point, as you put it.
If the financial side of it is moot, then it comes down to the player. I contend that he is a better backup PG than Duhon, which to me makes him more valuable to us than Lewis was, because the drop off (I don’t think there actually was one) between Lewis and the other two PF is less than it was between Nelson and Duhon/Williams and what it is now with Nelson and Arenas.
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
I will add that it is definitely a risk.
I guess the only big difference between your opinion and mine is that you would probably contend it is an unnecessary risk, while I think it is less of a risk than you do.
I do understand your’s and MoveThoseChains’ points on the matter and I do appreciate the competent discussion.
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
Fair enough.
One last point to make; I never said that the financial side of the trade is moot (see the last paragraph of my post about Dwight’s retention). I mentioned that inserting new CBA in the discussion of this trade is moot. That is like saying: so what if Arenas’ trade doesn’t pan out, we have the new CBA to save the day. My response was “why is it in Magic’s favor to own Arenas’ [worse] contract as opposed to Rashard’s contract?”. Officially, we now own two of the worst contracts in the league, and that is not counting Duhon’s which is kinda ‘peanuts’ compared to the other two.
Good discussion. I appreciate it too.
One thing we probably can agree on
is that these owners and GM’s are putting stock in the new CBA and taking a few risks based on that stock. Some will win big. Some will lose.
My fault, didn't understand it right. I apologize.
To be fair though, regardless of the Wash. trade, we still would have owned 2 of the worst contracts in the league.
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
Yeah….if I were in control of everything, I would’ve tried not to be in control of that other horrible contract too. But hey, I also really appreciate this discussion. At the end of the day, we all just want to see the Magic do well.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Mar 18, 2011 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions
He was the starter because of his contract and because management didnt want to bench him right before trading him.
Crushing weaker minds since 1978
Over 1 million served.
by Matty B on Mar 18, 2011 3:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Alright guys, I stand corrected.
If matty agrees with me, I must be wrong.
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
by JeffShann3 on Mar 18, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
hahahahaha
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Mar 18, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
wont Howard be a FA (if he in fact does exercise his ETO) in 2011/2012?
Not 2012/2013?
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
He is signed through 2011/2012. He has on option on 2012/2013.
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Mar 19, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
right, sorry. Got my seasons/summers mixed up. Season of 2012/2013, summer of 2012.
Thanks.
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
Look at it this way, if not for this trade, we would be rolling out Duhon for 15-20 minutes a night
shivers
That is a myopic view. In order to compensate for a bad signing (Duhon) bring in a back-up PG at $20+M?
One may take Duhon, and a lost season with it, but have a chance at retaining Dwight.
That is the only thing in the world that makes this horrible trade look relatively less horrible
I cant believe Duhon has an NBA contract, everytime he looks incredibly incredibly incredibly overmatched and overwhelmed on the court its pathetic…he wont take a shot with 2 on the shot clock but would rather swing the ball to the other end of the court to a tripled team player…thats how bad he is playing…he should not be a professional basketball player in the NBA no way. Im sure im talking pointless trash but I just never thought he’d be this bad….like come on!
Well for me
this does make me feel a little bit better about the trade. It’s not that I didn’t like the trade to begin with it’s just that I never really knew what to make of it.
Sons of Plunder
No, doesn't really affect my opinion.
First of all, my biggest problem with it is the financial flexibility down the road, which this doesn’t change. Secondly, I imagine if Rashard had something more to play for other than maybe helping JaVale McGee get his next sad triple-double, he would be toughing it out through the pain until the off-season. There’s simply no reason for him to be risking anything at this point in the season for Washington.
The only thing that would change my opinion of this trade is a great post-season from Arenas. That’s it.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
by slickw143 on Mar 17, 2011 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well said.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Mar 17, 2011 5:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Of the trade itself? No.
Because I’m sorry, but I don’t think the same guy who had no idea that Deron Williams was available has some inside scoop that no other GM has about how the CBA will shape up. No one knows how it will go. If the new CBA allows us to dump/restructure/void Arenas’ contract, then it’ll be a huge lucky break for the Magic… just like Otis’ initial hire of Billy Donovan backing out proved to be.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
You dont think that everyone in the league was made aware that Utah was looking to move Williams for the right pieces?
That would be absolutely assanine on the part of the Jazz front office if that is the case. Why on Earth, if you are negotiating with someone, would you not try to increase your BATNA at the very least? You would.
You would see what NJ offers, then call every team in the league and say hey, if you want him, give me your best offer. When that didn’t return anything that Utah felt was better than what NJ offered, they pulled the trigger on the NJ deal.
That is how a competent GM would do things. I would assume even competent ones who make poor decisions would at least know that much.
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
Otis admitted publicly he was not aware that Williams was available.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Otis has said a lot of things publicly that haven't been true.
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
That's only because Otis is not a very "active" GM
Words don’t come easily for Otis so making calls and chit chatting with other GM’s around the league will always be one of his major faults. Lots of opportunities pass Otis by.
Crushing weaker minds since 1978
Over 1 million served.
by Matty B on Mar 18, 2011 3:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and you know this how exactly?
Not only are you inside Otis’ office to notice he doesn’t make a lot of calls to other GM’s but you are also inside all the other GM offices around the league to know that all these deals are done and Otis is never called or involved in any part of the discussion.
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
I think otis thought by trading
for Gil he would’nt have to worry about will lewis ever be the same plus Gil is about 60 to 75%( on some nights) healthy and will be ready next yr. I think the trade should have been Gil and a filler for Lewis or Gil and a pick for Lewis
Predicting a player's effectiveness after an injury goes both ways.
You simply cannot say with any certainty whatsoever that Arenas will be healthy and ready next year.
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
I totally agree
but i put myself in Otis shoes for a sec. Maybe he was thinking like this Lewis got a bum knee but my boy Gil is in the middle of his recovery and might bounce back towards the end of the season/playoffs plus i’m trying to make a run to keep Dwight around so hell why not.
Whatever he was thinking, it worked out in the short term.
And for anyone who doesn’t think that Rashard’s knee was an unkown factor prior to this trade, just look at the picture at the top of this post and tell us what that black sleeve-thing on his “knee” is there for. Warmth? Probably not. Shard’s knee was a Vegas bet, and Otis played that bet. He won. That doesn’t mean we get Kobe and Durant as a prize. But it does mean that we’re still alive in May and possibly June.
The CBA negates any thoughts of what next year and the year after look like. We can only argue about issues preceding the CBA. Given that, I’ve got not problems with the Lewis trade. In the short term, it’s a good deal.
The long term might change things, but I’m betting it doesn’t.
Rashard wasn't wearing that until a couple of weeks after he was traded.
He was playing well in Washington and put up nice numbers until the knee gone bad. Look at his stats: all the seasons high came in Washington.
I don’t think Otis knew about Rashard’s knee at that time.
As I posted above, Rashard mentioned his troubled knee on his own blog in April 2010.
Here’s the link: http://rashardlewis.yardbarker.com/
This isn’t a new issue. Lew’s knee has been a problem for a while.
I think Otis knows almost everything Devos knows.
Which includes what the owners will demand (and expect to win) in the next CBA. Thus, I believe his roster adjustments are made with that in mind.
A potential problem
I see with hoping for a CBA bailout is that we are the ones with the bad contracts and not any of the NBA darling big market teams.
They might not all have "bad contracts" but they do all have equally large contracts.
There is no major threat from any “big market” teams to our chances of retaining Dwight in the summer of 2012. The only team that will potentially have cap space to sign him (and be a decent place to land) is Boston and LA Clips.
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
And the Anaheim Royals
What about Brooklyn?
Yeah, If I'm Dwight, Idont wanna go play for the 3rd team in LA market
or the second team of NY. I mentioned Boston and LAC b/c they have the ability to get him and have good tradition or awesome, young core.
"I never look at the points," Howard said. "Rebounds and blocks are what win games for me."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
Point is Dwight will have a lot of options.
Your personal reservations regarding certain teams within big markets notwithstanding. Of course, one possible option will be staying put with a team whose got $20 plus million through 2014 into a backup pg, who fortunately is a small bit better than Chris Duhon.
I think after the developments with the NFL labor dispute...
No one can truly “expect” anything with certainty. Everyone thought this NFL dispute was going to be a relatively cooperative situation… then all of a sudden, the union decertifies. The owners and players are both watching the proceedings with interest to see how it plays out. The labor issue is a giant unknown at this point, except for the fact that it’s likely going to be very contentious.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Go NBA owners and NFL owners.
Take back control of the asylum. Reduce salaries and contracts. Nothing guaranteed. I’m oddly actually willing to give my two favorite sports next season off if it helps give power and control back to the owners. Boo greedy Players Associations across the sports rhelm. Boo that man!
Crushing weaker minds since 1978
Over 1 million served.
by Matty B on Mar 18, 2011 3:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Boo fat cats!
Yay….other fat cats!
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Mar 18, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't like predicting the future
because of the CBA, but if Otis did make a deal based on hoping that the new CBA would void this contract . . . well, that’s just stupid, in my opinion.
I’ve been OK with the Phoenix trade since about two games after it happened. I’ve never understood the Washington trade for two reasons: money (Shard’s contract was the lesser of two evils) and character (we’ve got evidence to suggest that Shard has it, and evidence to suggest that Gil doesn’t.)
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
I'll never understand why Otis Smith thought he needed to give Rashard Lewis a 6th year...
WTF was he thinking?
If he had just given Rashard a 5 year $100 million contract then Rashard would have been a HUGE expiring contract next year and we could have enticed a fringe playoff team looking to rebuild and save money to give us an all star… Instead of taking on Gilbert Arenas god awful contract =(
I’m afraid that this one contract screw up has set up a domino effect that will severely hinder the Magic’s chances of winning a championship and keeping Dwight.
Even with Rashard’s season ending injury I would rather have him this year if he had only gotten a 5 year contract (instead of 6) like he was supposed to…
D*mn you Otis!
by ap3604 on Mar 18, 2011 4:00 PM EDT reply actions
You know, it's not easy to debate bad vs. bad.
Everything I’ve argued against in this thread is bad. Unfortunately, every position I’ve taken in opposition also kind of sucks. I want to talk about something else now.
by MagicPhan on Mar 18, 2011 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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