Miami Heat 104, Orlando Magic 100
by Evan Dunlap on Feb 3, 2011 11:18 PM EST
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The Orlando Magic rallied from a 23-point deficit against the Miami Heat Thursday night and had a chance to tie the game with less than 10 seconds remaining, but Ryan Anderson's three-pointer from the top of the arc bounced off and the Heat escaped with a 104-100 win following a Dwyane Wade free throw. LeBron James scored a season-high 51 points to go with 11 rebounds and 8 assists for the Heat, who took a 2-1 edge over Orlando in the season series and now have a 5-game edge in the loss column. Jameer Nelson scored 22 points and dished 6 assists to lead the Magic, including 11 points in the final period as the Magic went on a three-pointer barrage to work themselves back into the game. Dwight Howard put in 17 points and 16 rebounds, but left 10 points at the foul line in a crucial game. Six Magic players scored in double-figures, but it simply wasn't enough against an on-fire James, who made his first 11 shots, and his cast of role-players who filled in when and where needed.
Even when Orlando trailed by 23, I didn't think it played a bad game; the Heat's big lead, to me, said more about their own ceiling with James and his mates on fire than it did about the Magic's effort and engagement on either end. The message of Miami's season, it would seem, is that it doesn't give its opponents much room for error. One bad stretch of play against the Heat and opponents are effectively toast, and Orlando saw that dynamic in effect this evening when it missed 10 straight field goals in a period spanning the second and third quarters, during which time Miami expanded its lead from 6 points to 12.
It's not as though James knifed up the Magic with a series of drives to the rim; no, he made a killing tonight draining long two-point jumpers, scoring 29 points in the first half without a single three-pointer. When James is on like that, about the only thing other teams can do is pray to whichever higher power they believe in. A bigger problem for Orlando was an inability to limit the Heat's other players. Wade and Chris Bosh, Miami's other All-Stars, combined for 27 points on 8-of-24 shooting, so they weren't a huge issue tonight; of greater concern was Orlando's failure, on some occasions, to account for Eddie House and James Jones, the Heat's designated three-point snipers. That duo made 3 of its 7 three-point baskets for 15 points.
| Team | Pace | Efficiency | eFG% | FT Rate | OReb% | TO Rate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Heat | 86 | 120.6 | 54.9% | 34.7 | 25.0 | 12.8 |
| Magic | 88 | 113.7 | 49.4% | 18.8 | 32.7 | 11.4 |
| Green denotes a stat better than the team's season average; red denotes a stat worse than the team's season average. | ||||||
And how large do the quick buckets Miami scored to end the second and third quarters loom now? Bosh ended the first half with a quick dump-off to Erick Dampier under the goal, and the veteran center--who more than pulled his weight defending Howard in the post at the other end--flipped the ball in just before time expired, giving the Heat a 55-45 edge at intermission. And at the end of the third, House scooped up a missed foul shot by Howard and advanced the ball to James, who jumped as if to shoot a pull-up three, only to send a bullet of a pass to Joel Anthony at the rim for a dunk. Those are but two of the Heat's 36 baskets tonight, but their context certainly makes them appear to have greater importance than most others.
If you're a Magic fan, really, I don't think it's fair to rip into the team following this loss. They kept their turnovers down, attacked the offensive glass, and forced the league's best finisher to take 19 of his 25 shots outside the painted area. On most nights, that's a recipe for an Orlando victory against this Heat team, particularly with Nelson pouring in 22 and Jason Richardson scoring 16 points with four three-pointers.
A bigger problem came at the offensive end. Orlando will continue to struggle against Miami's defense, which boasts, in Wade and James, two wing players who wreak havoc with weak-side help and s bevy of underrated low-post defenders. Creating good shots is an issue, but the Magic did better tonight than they did on October 29th, when they shot 30.4 percent from the floor and tallied only 5 assists on 21 baskets. Even if their initial looks weren't always great, Orlando made a concerted effort to crash the offensive boards, managing to set themselves up for other opportunities. That's important, and we shouldn't overlook that aspect of their performance tonight.
Overall, we learned tonight Miami's nearly impossible to beat when James pops off like this, that the Magic's offense will have trouble with the Heat's defense. and Orlando has enough three-point firepower to erase big deficits in a hurry. What are the surprises there? There really shouldn't be any, which is why I actually feel okay about the Magic tonight. They're a flawed team, to be sure, but this wasn't one of their worst performances of the season, as some folks on Twitter or elsewhere on these here internets might have you believe. A solid effort, mostly good execution--especially with regard to defending James--against a tough foe. About the only other thing you could ask for is a win, and the Magic were right there at the end of the game, in spite of James' otherworldly performance and their earlier offensive droughts.
I never think of myself as a homer, and I believe I've established a reputation as a pretty reasonable dude, so please don't think of me as looking through this game with blue-and-white-tinted glasses. The Magic probably can't beat Miami in a seven-game playoff series, at least not if it were held today. Yet 32 games remain in the regular season, plenty more time for the revamped Magic, just over a month together with their new crew, to jell a bit. My advice? Relax, friends.
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The 2010-11 Cavs...
…The 2012-13 Magic team is undefeated
by MightyMouth on Feb 4, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Good question.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
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Gilbert said it post game. The Magic have to learn to play with the energy they played in the 4th from the get go. So they’re obviously well aware of something they have to work on.
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I don't think we can play 48min in that intensity.
I only wish we could pick up the D when our offense gets cold. We always seem to have a total off quarter and some between half the second and end of third.
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Agree. Can’t do it 48 minutes. Should do it at the start and then like you said step up the D if the O goes cold. But they have to stop crapping out at the start of the 3rd. Was the case against Detroit, Indiana, Chicago, Cleveland, Memphis, and Miami. That’s 6 games in a row where they played bad 3rd quarters.
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I'm not so sad after losing this game.
I was a bit surprised at the end score… though to be honest I stopped watching at the 7 minute mark of the game.. just as about Wade returned in the 4th.
Losing to the Heat wouldn’t have been such a big deal had we not lost to the Pistons and the Grizzlies. Now every loss brings us further from the Bulls/Heat/Celtics ceiling of the East and closer towards the Knicks abyss (playoff wise).
And while it’s an amazing feat of endurance Dwight did playing 48 minutes, his 3/13 FT stat sheet and lack of scoring in the 2nd half has something to do with his fatigue for sure.
that's another problem
howard is great, but i don’t think he can play 48 minutes. he didn’t do nothing in the 2nd half expect miss FT’s. when are they gonna a tough big man?
Howard tends to score a lot less during 2nd halves, and averages like 2 or 3 points in 4th quarters.
But I agree with you, it’s too much, even for him to be playing this many minutes. There’s injury risk too (muscular fatigue or whatever). Team needs a back up C.
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by North of the South on Feb 3, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Turk got SHE-REDDED
That guy cannot even slow LeBron down. Kinda weird how the media made a big deal about Smith’s comments this time, but not the last two times we played them. Hmmm.
We need to see how this team looks after Smith adds another big to it. And I think Q-Rich definitely needs to be part of the rotation – just to get out there and get a big body who’ll fight a guy who’s scoring bucketloads.
Turk works against Pierce.
LeBron is too young, too big and too fast for Turk. Not to mention Turk’s back problems.
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by North of the South on Feb 3, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Stan needs to pull back on the 8-man rotation in general. It's going to wear the players down.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Feb 3, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree
Hedo did a good job keeping LeBron in front and forcing jumpshots. With his length, he was in good position to guard LeBron. But LeBron is ridiculous and was just feeling it tonight. Not much Hedo, or any other player in the league can do about that.
Im not saying Hedo is a great defender, but when he forces guys into jumpshots then his length is a major advantage.
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
In some ways, that's true
In others, his lack of lateral speed and tendency to get caught on driving plays means that, whilst players like LeBron might be taking jumpers instead of getting to the rim (thanks to Dwight, not Turk), they’re still taking much better jumpers, more open looks, than they would against a guy like Artest, Battier or even Richardson who can stay with the more athletic wing players.
Whether any of those guys would have slowed down James last night is, of course, a very different matter – it’s hard to see anyone stopping him in that form.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 4, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
i think somebody pointed that out
Anderson is better off coming off the bench then being a starter. so i think that they should start clark at PF or Hedo and have anderson come off the bench.
A few people have had that theory
FREE EARL CLARK
Erm…maybe not.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 3, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Anderson played his best ball last year as a starter.
He struggled when coming off the bench after Rashard returned from the suspension, especially after the yanking around of his PT between he and Bass. This is just one game where his shot was off early.
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I think it is fair to say that in recent games Anderson has put a lot more pressure on himself when inserted as a starter.
Not to pile on him, but on that last shot J.J. was wide open for a corner three but Anderson took a more difficult shot although barely missed. Having that said, I would admit that 80+ percent of the players in the league would have taken that shot themselves, and I commend Ryan’s courage to take the shot.
by Matt1325 on Feb 4, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
cause JJ was off all day coming back from injury.
The choice was fine, the shot was good, just didn’t go in.
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My feeling exactly.
Plus, there were only a few seconds left. You just want to get a shot up quickly if you can get a decent enough look. The more time left on the clock, the more time there is to possibly get an offensive board for another chance. Unfortunately, we had Jameer trying to get the board against D-Wade… Advantage Miami.
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I agree with the premise of your post on the time factor.
But that happened to be the last shot, and as such why not an open corner 3 versus a contested long 3? And I don’t care how cold J.J. was since he is a shooter and has proven to be assassin-cold in the past. We won’t know what was best anyways so why bother? I just wanted to make a point with no intention to pile up on Ryan
Certainly hindsight is 20/20.
Things might’ve turned out differently if JJ got the ball. I just don’t agree with some people criticizing Ryan for a play which was perfectly acceptable.
I at least think it’s a good sign that he’s willing to take that shot, like Rashard did so many times in his Orlando tenure. A good, 6’10" 3-point shooter willing to take the last shot is a good thing to have.
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JJ's shoulder is injured and it distroys his shooting. He should not have taken that shot.
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Feb 4, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't mind the shot.
It looked good. But JJ was open before the ball was even passed in. Miami left him wide open. His feet were set and everything.
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You can just feel when Anderson loses his confidence. He wants to play so well but when he doesn’t, his whole game goes down the toilet. He needs to hang out with Eddie House and believe he is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
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I have a question about Howard's FT%...
We all know that Howard’s issue is more mental than mechanics, when it comes to consistently sinking foul shots. I’m curious as to what exactly is the issue, mentally. Does he psych himself out? Is he too pumped up and can’t calm down? Is it a mental rhythm problem?
Depending on the issue, there are ways to work around it. I’m thrilled that he shoots 100 FTs every practice, but no amount of trained-mechanics can overcome if he can’t use that muscle memory at the line. It’s time to figure out the root of the mental issue, and focus on THAT 100 times after every practice.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Feb 3, 2011 11:52 PM EST reply actions
He is what he is at this point on freethrows.
People forget the ~10 game streak where he shot 74% just a couple weeks ago.
i agree with that but..
game’s like this could have been different if (not just howard) they had hit there FT’s. arena’s & anderson also missed a couple. that could have changed the outcome of this game.
Sometimes he has great form...
relatively speaking. His biggest problem is it seems his form changes every 2 or 3 games. The Thunder game he was bringing the ball beside his head and letting it go smoothly. Other nights its right in front of his face and he has a hitch. I don’t know what’s so hard about shooting the same way every time.
Yeah, the commentators in ESPN Latin America always say his FT shots are like fingerprints.
No 2 fingerprints are alike.
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by North of the South on Feb 4, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
I'm amazed we made that a game with as many sore or hurt guys we have
and with the weak frontline. So I’m optimistic about that.
But these games are killing me. That’s like the 4th or 5th time in the last month that we’ve had a game like that where we let them get a lead and then come raging back only to lose the game. It’s bad on my arteries.
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by AB's triple double on Feb 4, 2011 12:01 AM EST reply actions
A heck of a fourth quarter offensively for the Magic
They outscored the Heat 37-24 on 13 of 29 shooting, including 6 of 13 on threes and 5 of 8 at the FT line; they ended the game on a 33-14 run.
Some other facts:
LeBron James’ 51 points was the first time an opposing player has put up 50+ points against the Magic since Dwyane Wade’s 50 points in February of 2009. This was the sixth time in franchise history that an opposing player has put up 50+ points against the Magic, with the Bulls’ Michael Jordan holding the record for a Magic opponent with 64 points.
This game was the 227th time in Dwight Howard’s career that he has shot at least ten free throws in a game; in only one of those games has Howard shot a worse percentage at the line than he did against Miami. He shot 2 of 11 (18.2%) against San Antonio in April of 2010 compared to his 3 of 13 (23.1%) performance against the Heat.
This game was only the fifth time in the Van Gundy era that the Magic did not block any shots in a game. Ironically, the Magic won all four of those previous games. The last time it happened was in November of 2009 against Toronto.
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by Mike from Illinois on Feb 4, 2011 12:03 AM EST reply actions
Thanks, Evan
Chicago Bears... 2010 NFC Conference runners-up... good luck to the Packers in the Super Bowl
Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 NHL Stanley Cup Champions
by Mike from Illinois on Feb 4, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
No, it's not
There are 5 possible “big” spots in the West – there’s no reason the coaches couldn’t pick both.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 4, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Love or Aldridge deserved it more than Duncan. Thought that was crap for sure.
The dude makes it on being a top 50 all-time. That fair? Meh I think All-Star is for this year not on career.
Put me on the Spurs, they might consider me on the All-Star team
Duncan is still posting solid numbers mind you… but yes indeed he has Manu, Tony, Richard, Gary, George, Matt (the Aussie fans will notice the Masterchef similarity), DeJuan, Antonio and Tiago.. did I miss anyone else?
Kevin Love could possibly be a substitute for Yao...
…Though I heard Steve Nash is the front runner for that spot.
Which is also ridiculous
How many guards do they freaking need?
by eltharion_doa on Feb 4, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
I can see the point with Duncan
There are no good 5s in the West – picking Gasol and 4 PFs would be a bit silly.
Hopefully Stern selects Love.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 4, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
True
But there are a lot of guys who play 5 minutes despite not playing the position traditionally.
I’m a big fan of spreading the All Star love over all five positions, not just picking the best 12 guys, I guess. The thing with Duncan is that a) he’s a true 5; b) he’s the best 5 in the West and c) he’s been playing 5 all season. There’s no reason not to have him in the ASG.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 4, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
How about outside the starters the East is composed of reserves from 3 teams. Thats pathetic. Ironic is Bosh making the team especially after how he played tonight. That guy is not worth 100 million bucks nor is he an all star.
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It's silly to judge a player based on one game
Bosh has been fantastic the past two months.
The East is incredibly top heavy. There’s nothing wrong with players from 5 teams being the East All Stars if they’re the best players in the East.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 4, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
Im not judging him on tonight. Just using that as an example. The guy is not an all star. The only thing he’s an all star at is riding coat tails.
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Bosh is still averaging 18 and 8 on a very good team.
The Heat have typically played much better with him on the court as opposed to him off the court. He’s important to their success, even if he’s not averaging the 24 and 11 he had last year.
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He's played great on a great team
And great on an awful team.
I don’t know what he has to do to convince people. He’s been the second best 4 in the East this season.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 4, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Who are your alternatives? No deserving player from the East got jobbed. The coaches got it right.
Now if Boozer hadn’t missed one-third of the season, I can see picking him over Ray Allen. But he did miss one-third of the season, so he ought not be there.
I just think its more indicative on the East that no one else is more deserving. For the fans sake though, I think the NBA should try an adopt the one team one player/representative rule they use in the NHL. That might not be very practical, but neither is the all star game.
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I don't know how many people are on the hockey all star teams - but MLB does that as well.
I don’t think anyone on the Cavs/Raptors/etc deserves an all-star spot this season.
Well make sure all the teams are represented in the all star weekend. I remember when I was little I was always excited to see a Magic player either in the slam dunk or 3 pt since we didn’t have all stars (this was pre-Shaq obviously).
Btw, you’re telling me Manny Harris is not an all star!?!?
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Oh, Dwight. *sigh*
3 of 13? Really? Bad night to do that.
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Why panic?
Is a 4 point loss Orlando played really hard for something to freak out about? We still have a lot of time before the playoffs start! Not to mention Bass is out and Reddick is banged up.. oh and Gil is also not 100%.. Lets just hope Orlando gets their act together before playoff time instead of crying about how we’ve already lost Dwight to free agency. At least Cleveland fans weren’t flipping out WHILE they had LBJ.
Yeah...
…Unless we send him to train with the Phoenix Suns staff over the summer…LOL
by MightyMouth on Feb 4, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We don't have anyone to compete with Wade or Lebron.
That will not change.
It's the Post-Decision Era now.
Media and fans start freaking about their franchise player leaving 2 years in advance, since Cleveland fans were so blind and naive about LeBron leaving, when many others were calling it well in advance.
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Ehhh..
Yeah, I guess it’d be best to chalk the season up to a loss.. Might as well not even try in the playoffs since we don’t have anyone who can stop LBJ/Flash.
Go ahead and crown them if you want.. I still believe in a little Magic.
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Blowing the 20 pt lead in the final 5 minutes says A LOT about the cHeat. I was glad to see the Magic not give up and fight till the end. Bass being there would of helped. cHeat had the refs in the beginning. Looking forward to the Magic playing in Miami on March 2, it will be a different result.
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I am really tired of "The Heat Index" on ESPN.
It’s f’ing way too much. Anyways, I can’t talk too much about this, but I’ll say this: I’m not happy to be in the position where we’re celebrating moral victories. We get embarrassed for most of the game before the Cheat almost choke the game away, and we’re supposed to feel better about this than a road loss in Chicago when we were healthier? Sorry, not buying it.
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by slickw143 on Feb 4, 2011 12:54 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
I'm not. Some great writers there. ESPN didn't just get any old dudes.
Haberstroh, Arnovitz, Windhorst, and Wallace are some of the brightest guys in our field. They do this thing up right.
I don't argue with the talent involved.
But as KingJafi said, it’s way over the top. No team needs a jillion articles written for every game for them.
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That whole report card for every game is quite comical to me. Local newspapers don’t even do that for their teams. So yes, that too is over the top. :)
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League-Wide Index?
Have an index for every team with local beat writers or bloggers to chip in from time to time.
Magic Index: Denton, Rivera, Dunlap
Yeah
No idea why people are flipping out about the Heat Index. Its a blog. Just like every other NBA team has on espn….
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Its more than just a blog. They run nearly as many articles about the Heat every day as they have on the ESPN NBA frontpage.
The thing is, people read the hell out of the site, so it isn’t going away any time soon.
J Rich
WHYYYYY did they take Jason Richardson out of the game for the final play for a cold JJ !?! J Rich had hit some big shots and was fired up after making the big defensive play to put the team in that situation. WHY!!!!
Stan said in the post game that it was because JJ would know what play to run without a timeout.
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I'm glad that Evan can feel good about this loss, but I can't.
Any team with a 21 point lead in the 4th quarter is going to let up a bit mentally. We should know, because we’ve seen the Magic do it countless times in the past. And once the switch has been flipped to “off”, it’s very hard to suddenly flip it back to “on”. Spoelstra said after the game that he’ll only be watching the tape of the last 6 minutes of the game for next time…so I don’t count on the Magic being this lucky next time.
…and by lucky, I mean they still lost. Crap.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
letting up mentally is one thing…those teams still win by 8 and its what Stan calls a fake comeback. the fact the Magic had a shot to tie the game with 7 seconds left is not a mental lapse…its a choke job and it says a lot about the cHeat. But that’s Miami’s problem, not the Magic’s.
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I'm with E.D. and Stan's post game comments on this one.
Nothing more to do with LBJ cause we have no one that can slow him down (just like most teams in the league) and the goal was to protect Dwight and the paint. I thought our come back was as legit as our 3QC. I mean, it’s not so much a case of the Heat letting go but us hitting the shots we should have in the third. I also agree with Q getting more minutes. It kind of silly with this trade that resolving a problem in one end created the same one in our D which was part of our pride as a team. I don’t feel bad about this loss, to be honnest I thought we were gonna get our butt kicked even worse. Now, don’t even think about losing to the Wizards and Boston sunday will make us feel a lot better.
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Just
Put Q back in the rotation consistently and give him a chance. His energy and willingness to hustle has really impressed me. He deserves a bit more playing time.
my beef with this loss has nothing to do with the 48 mins played
but rather with dwight’s antics at the beginning of the game. now, he’s held himself as a serious professional coming into every game i’ve watched this season, yet he chooses last night to bring back out the clown in him. did anyone see him lining the team up for pics and mocking lebron’s pre-game ritual? unless d12 can drop 40+ on the Heat on any given night, he needs not fire up the man who already has a vendetta against his squad. he knows that lebron is out on a mission to make him, SVG and Otis eat their words, yet he chooses to “ignite” the man. poor judgement call there dwight, along with making a miserable 3-13 from the line. lets get it together folks
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by nowuseemenowudont on Feb 4, 2011 10:16 AM EST reply actions
Anderson’s 3pt shot goes in and the Magic win in OT and Dwight looks brilliant for mocking James. Completely different story line today. I think you have to take those risks. Ive been looking for someone to mock James like that for a while. Talented or not, that pregame stuff LeBron does is stupid. He should focus a little less on doing that and more on winning important games in the playoffs. KB8 and Wade don’t do that pregame crap…they have the rings.
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no way dwight looks brilliant if they win in OT
they would have made a miraculous come back after never having control for the first 42 mins of the game. call it like it is.
and while we haven’t seen any ritual from kobe, wade does his little pull up on the rim before tip off.
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by nowuseemenowudont on Feb 4, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
wade’s probably stretching :) …and thats not abnoxious. calling dwight brilliant was a little over the top on my part…but what i meant is d12 wouldn’t be catching any flack and the joke would have been on james even though he scored 50+.
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haha @ stretching
Meer does that “stretch” too
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by nowuseemenowudont on Feb 4, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
I have said many times but no one agrees with me
Dwight and LeBum LeChicken hate each other. Dwight originally because he left the court on the ECF. This is the rivalry in the NBA. These two players really hate each other.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
yep. and what dwight did last night was the first time he actually wasnt so pc about the whole thing with james. im sure dwight sees it as a slap in the face that james came to his division after all those years of disrespecting him. only thing is, d12 is a nice dude who probably doesnt particularly like mocking people (in the negative sense) in public.
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Poor Dwight
I don’t know who is starved more for attention him or D wade with his pink sunglasses and truss. Dwight had no biz angering King Nothing like that he should heed his own advice he gives those awful commercials where he says he’s not your friend and give king nothing a shot to the solar plex or an eye raker rather than mince around like a Jersey Shore housewife.
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I…….uh…….what?
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 4, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
movethosechains, I second your thought.
"But I'm still down with OPP."
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So in comparison with Oct 29th debacle in MIA we should feel good about this loss?
What about comparing this loss with the win on Nov 24th when MIA had all their 3 bigs in full force, not a hobbled Wade after the collision?
we can continue to argue about the "before" and "after" trades all season and it will change
sh@t. It’s better to focus on what we have, talk about Q getting eventualy more minutes and see what the big man situation will be. That said, everyone can say that Otis sucks all day long, if that is their opinion.
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The Oct 29th game was with the old guard in place. If the comparison with that game is warranted, why not the Nov 24th game?
And I have not given up on the team, but all the talks about back-up C and improvement of the defense are nothing more than hot air, in my view. There are people who are foolishly talking about a magical master plan which Smith may have, but they can never point out what that plan – or any portion thereof – could be.
And the Magic still had enough depth to overcome his absence and win impressively.
Fast forward to now, when the Magic again had a starter out – and Bass is honestly nowhere near VC in terms of talent or importance to the team – but got destroyed until the Heat let up, and they didn’t have any sort of depth to make up for the starter’s absence.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 4, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
There's going to be two camps until the season is over.
One camp that believes the team is better post-trade, and one camp that believes the team was better pre-trade. No one will know until June rolls around.
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Yeah.
Again, I’d sure love to be wrong…
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 4, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
and the third camp that believes that bitching each day about the trades
even if they don’t like ‘em much, doesn’t do any good.
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by 44792212 on Feb 4, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That deserves 100 recs.
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Feb 4, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Discussing the trades are relevant until the culprit(s) pay a price for it.
It’s easy for people who don’t live in Orange county or Orlando to be so forgiving. For us, it’s about our only professional sport’s franchise, and a gigantic junk bond hanged around our neck.
You should not have bought into there bonds then.
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Feb 4, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
That doesn't make sense.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 4, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
sounds like Matt1325 bought a bunch of muni bonds to help build the Amway Center.
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Feb 4, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Guess I should've followed that bit more closely, because I didn't even know those were offered.
My bad.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 5, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
You were correct in your original assertions. His idea of municipal bonds is as incomplete as the rest of his knowledge on business dynamics.
It is irrelevant whether or not I hold some bonds on Amway Center. There are safeguards in some bonds which go beyond the responsibility of the issuer, and since the city, state, or federal governments can never go bankrupt, the responsibility falls on the shoulders of the tax payers.
oh, so now it's you guys and us guys who don't live in Orlando ?
wtf
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Clam down, will you? Who said there are two groups? All I am saying is that for those people who don't have financial interests, it's easier to forget and forgive.
Of course we are all Magic fans, and inseparable in that sense, but when one sees stupid comments of the kind that “Arenas’ salary is not coming out of your pocket”, or “you have no say in GM’s decisions”, it begs reminding that we all may not be on equal footings on our vested interest in Magic.
I'm calm but I never made such comments and you did reply to me.
I just don’t like camps. I can assure you that I’m completely aware of the financial importance of the franchise to the community.
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Fair enough. I replied to you because I care about how you feel, and you misunderstood my intention.
I never intended to divide, or as you put it “[create] camps”, but rather wanted to make a point about those who make those idiotic comments
You don't have to live in Orlando
To have an interest in what Orlando spends it’s money on. It’s part and parcel of how the team is run. People who dismiss concerns about Gil’s contract because “it’s not your money” are ignorant. You can dismiss them on that basis – you don’t have to make it a tribal thing.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 5, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
If you have a problem with the actions of your local politicians
Take it up with them, not the Magic.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 4, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
What part of it is difficult to understand that we have multi-faceted interests in team to succeed.
We cannot fix the fact that the arena bond is junk bond now, but can hold the culprits responsible for jeopardizing the team’s future the best that we can, all inclusive.
The problem is
That you’re relating two entirely different issues to each other, when they are irrelevant to each other.
1. Orlando took out large debts to finance a new arena
2. Otis Smith has made some questionable trades
There is absolutely no reason to tie the two facts in together. Be mad about either, both or none on their own merit – don’t think that the fact Smith has made some odd trades has anything to do with the city’s debts.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 5, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah if its not Otis making moves, it will be someone else…and there’s no guarantee those will be slam dunks. Its not part of the general manager of the Orlando Magic’s job description to worry about muni bonds that financed the construction of the arena the team plays in. The general manager’s moves and public financing are not related in that sense.
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Please read my response below to eltharion_doa.
I have to clarify that I cannot hold Smith responsible for the financial health of the residents of Orange County or City of Orlando. By golly, I would be happy if he could take care of the financial health of the Magic franchise. The two issues, however, are correlated to each other, as I have tried to explain in the other post.
While I agree that it makes practical sense to keep the two separate, there is a connection between the two when it comes down to the financial interests of the residents of Orange County and/or the City of Orlando.
I think that we have discussed this before that Smith has a performance responsibility towards his employers, as well as the Magic fans – as I have argued within the context of Stakeholders theory – for which he or other potential culprits will be held accountable.
Additionally, the team’s success or failure has a direct impact on the municipal bonds sold on Amway Center. They are currently relegated to junk level, and as I have noted in another post on this thread, and I quote:
“There are safeguards in some bonds which go beyond the responsibility of the issuer, and since the city, state, or federal governments can never go bankrupt, the responsibility falls on the shoulders of the tax payers”.
I don’t know how you define the issue of relevancy? Could you say that the two issues which are corelated are irrelevant to each other?
They're not related because
Whether the bonds are good or bad has no bearing on the performance of Orlando’s team, and the performance of Orlando’s team has no bearing on the quality of the bonds.
I don’t think there’s any doubt Smith is responsible to the team, the owners, the fans and the city – but that responsibility is not predicated on the existence or quality of the bonds – he’d be just as responsible if the new arena had been entirely privately funded.
As someone who is clearly economically literate, you should know about the concept of sunk costs. The bonds, for the city, are a sunk cost – they exist all by themselves, regardless of anything else. Unless the repayment of the bonds is tied to the financial performance of the Magic – and if they are, then that’s extremely poor management from the city – or the Magic are entitled to leave the city before the arena can fulfill a reasonable useful life – which again would be horrible management by the city – the performance, either on the court or financially, of the Magic has nothing to do with the city and the bonds.
As far as I’m aware, the Magic have the rights to the majority of the concessions at the new arena and, in return, pay the city a set fee every season. Unless the payment of that fee is contingent on economic or basketball performance (which, if the city is smart, it shouldn’t be) then the quality of the bonds has no causal link to Smith’s, or the Magic’s, performance.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 5, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
I wish it was as simple as a case of the bonds being a sunk cost.
It is true that “Whether the bonds are good or bad has no bearing on the performance of Orlando’s team”, as you have noted. But the performance of Orlando Magic has some bearings on the City of Orlando to pay its obligations to the bond holders, which I explain as follows:
1 – Granted that the bond have been relegated to the junk because of the downturn of real estate market, but the success of the team could improve city’s earnings in a variety of ways relevant to businesses’ earnings which could help buying the bonds back for re-selling at a higher value in the bond market or just simply retiring the bonds.
2 – Not all concessions are controlled by the Magic franchise meaning that the revenue to the city could be fluctuated by a concept called “percentage rent” which – in a nutshell – means a percentage of the merchant’s revenue above certain limits to go to the landlord. That is common in most rental agreements in Orlando, although I cannot say with any degree of certainty that it is the case with the rental agreement which the city has signed with the merchants. Additionally, it is foreseeable that if the merchants fail to do the expected business they could default on the rental obligations.
3 – In the event that the city fails to pay what’s due to the bond holders directly from the arena’s revenue, she has to look for other ways of taxation to raise the funds due to bond holders which means extra tax burden on the residents.
In order
1. That’s a very, very long bow to draw. You can’t expect the Magic to singlehandedly overcome the collapse of one of the biggest, most ridiculous real estate and economic bubbles in history. The effect of the Magic’s on court performance on the overall tourism income for the city is no doubt real, but likely marginal.
2. The concessions at the Amway Center weren’t sold on that basis.
But the biggest change in the new agreement is that city officials agreed to let the Magic keep the commission revenue from all of its games. The city will keep the commission generated by the roughly 150 concerts, graduations and other events at the arena every year.
Now, you might argue that a lower performing Magic team might result in a concession company bidding lower in the future, but ultimately, the Magic are the only ones that are going to suffer from that because the City gets zero revenue from Magic game concessions anyway. It’s highly unlikely any of the major concession companies which bid for massive public contracts like this will default on a contract – it would destroy their commercial reputation in Florida.
3. That’s completely independent of the Magic, though. The Magic pays exactly the same rents to the City regardless of whether they win one game or 82. Now, if the City can’t afford to pay off it’s bonds from revenue from the Center, then that’s a problem, but it’s not one of the Magic’s making, regardless of their success.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 5, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the link to the article.
My responses are:
1 – We cannot possibly forecast a host of economic factors relevant to Magic’s performance, so it is hard to say whether or not such effects would be marginal.
2 – The commission percentage paid by the concession merchants is consistent across the board whether paid for Magic games or other events. Therefore, if the percentage goes down due to less than expected Magic performance, it would affect the revenue collected for other events, as well, hence a hit on City’s bottom line.
3 – If the Magic fails and leaves town, the city would probably be deprived from the portions of rental revenue. I don’t know what the details of the 30-year lease are, but chances are that the Magic would would be able to settle for a portion of the total lease amount in a buy out attempt. I will try to find out if the Magic is on the hook for the entire amount of the lease or until a replacement is found. If not, there is a risk involved in any buy out settlement causing potential loss of additional revenue until a replacement is established.
I hope that we could mutually agree to end this debate here. It is rather complicated, and really difficult to be sure to cover all bases without further research.
I just don't understand
Why you seem to think the marginal effect on concession prices in future contracts is Smith’s problem.
I mean, if you really, really want to get into it, it’s fine – but personally, I think a far bigger problem is that Smith keeps giving lots of money to guys who suck.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 5, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry for not being pretty clear about it within our conversation.
In my response to KingJafi – which I thought you had read – I was clear in distinguishing the two issues, as I quote below:
“I have to clarify that I cannot hold Smith responsible for the financial health of the residents of Orange County or City of Orlando. By golly, I would be happy if he could take care of the financial health of the Magic franchise”.
I still don't think the correlation you see is there, or at least it's tiny
But I think we’ve exhausted the topic.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 6, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
Dwight
We lose as a team and everything. But if Dwight is going to call his teammates out when they are bad, and keep in mind I have not seen any post game conferences or anything, but he needs to call himself out for that pathetic night at the free throw line. I mean Jesus freaking A of a muther. What the hell was that performace on the line. Unacceptable. You want to be talked about like everyone else on TV? You want to go down as one of the best centers ever? THEN MAKE AT LEAST 70 FREAKING PERCENT OF YOUR FREE THROWS!!!!! 3-13i is unacceptable when LeBron James, your rival the person you hate the most in the League, is scorching from the field and he has not even a good jump shooter. Evan was right, Magic defended him perfectly. He just made shots. But back to Dwight. Get your freaking free throws in order. I mean 3-13???? That is Gilbert Arenas-like from the field, and everybody hates Gil shooting. Steve Kerr made a good point last night. Everytime he misses fans get deflated. I could have live with 7-13. Seriously get your free throws straight. Stop calling out other teammates when you are hurting the team with your misses just as much as them with their other flaws.
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Yes you can.
No one is above being called out. 3-13 on free throws is unacceptable. It is called a free throw for a reason. Little 8 year olds make them. 8 freaking year olds. Yes he played great, and he wanted this game. The effort to get offensive rebounds was outstanding last night. But we can only go as far as he can carry us. He has to shoot better from free throws. There is no debate about it. I can live with the high 60’s, as bad as that is, but 23% from the FREE throws, as in the EASY throws, is just horrific.
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by Mateo9399 on Feb 4, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that 3-13 is pretty awful.
On the bright side, Magic managed to take care of the ball, this time, by their standars.
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Dwight didn’t call anyone out last night. He was impressed with how his teammates stuck to the gameplan and he realized James had a hot night. You should watch his presser, the guy is maturing and he starting to understand his role as a leader. im telling you guys, thats why i dont think he is leaving.
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Dwight = maturing, LBJ = immature and not maturing
Dwight = maturing, LBJ = the Decision
Dwight = maturing, LBJ = taking his talents to South Beach
…you see what I’m getting at
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his presser was good
i like how he made mention that they’ll see the heat in the playoffs. we need you to avg 30 and 20 in the series D12
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by nowuseemenowudont on Feb 4, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't mean last night.
In general when he does. Kobe will tell you if he has played like feces. Dwight needs to say that when his free throw percentage is 23%
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I agree Mateo
That FT shooting is unacceptable. I don´t know if the stat is trackable but it seems that in big games Dwight FT shooting gets worse. You can´t win championships with that FT shooting. In fact we couldn´t tie the final against the lakers precisely because Howard missed 2 FT. The problem with Howard is that he is a 59% FT shooter, but when the game is on the line he is like a 30% FT shooter. My memory might trick me, but I think that even Shaq used to hit big FTs when needed. As people said above he doesn´t even have a shooting method, every FT he takes is different, that CAN and SHOULD be coached.
Don't have time to check big games but the Magic are 32-34 when D12 shoots 40% or less from the line.
2004-today
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Feb 4, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Right when Lebron pushed Dwight
It was in either the third or fourth quarter ( dont remember). I immediately said out loud “watch as Dwight misses these two badly”. Lo and behold two more misses.
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Greatest Cs of all time?
Shaq – 52.7% FT
Wilt – 51.1%
by eltharion_doa on Feb 4, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Those two are different type of freaks of nature
Wilt was just taller and Shaq was 300 lbs. I mean there are exceptions. But seriously 23% last night is just not going to cut it.
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Of course not
But that doesn’t mean he has to shoot 70% to go down as one of the best Cs of all time.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 5, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
losses sure are getting interesting
we get to see all these new and varied opinions on why the magic are terrible
i really think it is urgency
Even them 09 team would just play without urgency sometimes. This team is capable of playing with urgency but they never do. They need for 48 minutes. That is what frustates SVG. That lack of focus.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
The '09 team didn't have any prolonged lulls.
Unless you count the time between Jameer’s injury and Skip coming to the team. The 2010 team had that bad stretch in January. The 2011 team has now had two bad stretches already. Hopefully there won’t be another one.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
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Between the Magic and UCF
Its becoming harder and harder to be a Central Florida basketball fan.
Magic Fan since '92
As critical as I've been of the Magic's recent play, they have time to turn it around before the playoffs.
But this team confuses me. They had a 9 game winning streak shortly after the trade, and the deals were deemed a success. It would seem that improved chemistry, and more familiarity with SVG’s system would make the team even better over time. Now, after more practice and time playing together, they seem to have taken a step backwards. My question is…what changed between the period of their winning streak and the last couple of weeks? One thing I wonder (and I’m surely not blaming everything on this) is if we aren’t making a bigger deal about Turk’s back troubles. Hedo was playing excellent ball right after the trade, and I think the team sorely misses that. At 6’10", his play making skills give our offense a dimension that makes us nearly impossible to guard. So, I’m hopeful that a healthy Turk (and Bass) will give us an extra boost that we need come playoff time.
He played pretty well yesterday. I think we actually played well enough to win that game (even though we pretty much played like crap for most of the game).
Lebron being otherworldly is essentially the only thing Miami did correctly to win the game. Everything else was bad execution by the Magic.
Despite making nearly all of our three point shots in the final quarter, we weren’t even getting better shots than we had through the first 40+ minutes of the game. The guys were simply bricking good looks. It also seemed like every time we would charge back and get within ~5 points our guys would relax. This happened at the end of the first, second, and third quarters. It seemed that Miami would outscore us by 5-6 points in the last minute and a half of each quarter. It was that lack of focus during those time periods that cost us this game.
The only thing I am uspet with...
Is that this recap didn’t have 1 rec until I clicked it 5 mins ago.
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Evan's articles don't usually gets recs
They’re on the front page anyway so I guess people figure they don’t need attention drawn to them.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 4, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
This is true, but it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be.
"But I'm still down with OPP."
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
i mean he's actually driving in getting layups or fouls
now if he can start making them that would be a different story
He says the weather affects him
My mom has arthritis and she says she is pain during the cold. This guy is trying to play professional basketball. I am kind of cutting him some slack for that. With warmer weather in about three weeks Hopefully he will be good.
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It's freaking ORLANDO.
You guys don’t realize how lucky you are down there. I’m in Cincinnati, which is very warm for Ohio and the North, and it’s been 20s and 30s for months now, without a single day off. A few nights ago, we had a storm with half an inch of accumulation of ICE. ICE! I didn’t even know ice could accumulate until then! I miss Florida so much, and if Orlando’s weather is bothering Arenas that much, then his knees are beyond screwed, and so is the team.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 4, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
I played golf today. It was 87.
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