NBA Trade Deadline Open Thread
by Evan Dunlap on Feb 24, 2011 8:01 AM EST
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PrintToday marks the NBA trade deadline. After 3 PM Eastern this afternoon, teams can't complete trades until the end of the regular season, so if they want to upgrade via trade now, time is running out.
You can keep track of all NBA trade rumors in this StoryStream at SBNation.com. Familiarize yourself with NBA trade rules if you like.
Everything I've heard from my sources indicates the Orlando Magic will not make a trade. Should they make a move, though, I'll create a separate thread to cover it. Consider this post your space to comment on non-Magic trades as they happen.
We've already seen a number of trades happen throughout the league, with Carmelo Anthony going to the New York Knicks; Deron Williams becoming a New Jersey Net; and Kirk Hinrich joining the Atlanta Hawks, a Southeast Division rival of Orlando's.
In smaller moves, the Kings and Hornets swapped Carl Landry for Marcus Thornton, the Nets nabbed Brandan Wright and Dan Gadzuric from the Warriors for Troy Murphy, and the Toronto Raptors sent a future first-round pick to the Chicago Bulls for James Johnson.
It promises to be a fun deadline, with at least one big suprise. Discuss it here.
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Now we got...
Baron Davis to Cleveland for Mo Williams and Jamario Moon. Clipps are gonna be fun to watch.
by Memphissleek on Feb 24, 2011 8:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions
As Kevin Pelton, I think, noted on Twitter
The Cavs essentially bought a top ten pick for the price of Baron’s contract. They don’t really care which one of Davis and Williams is their PG.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
When you consider that Davis is a bit more, but not a whole lot more expensive...
…..that changes the value of the 2011 pick too.
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If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
I hope Otis can redeem himself for the awful moves he has made.
Q.Rich, Duhon, J.Rich, and Gil have all been bum moves on Otis’ part. He has truly destroyed our team which makes me very sad.
I thought we may land Murphy as a back up big but thats not gonna happen now. I’m keeping my fingers crossed for a J.Rich + Bass for Randolph trade.
Other than that I’d be happy with a miracle that we start clicking on all cilinders and go undefeated until June when we lift the Larry O.
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Before last night, I was skeptical about the Randolph trade.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Feb 24, 2011 8:46 AM EST reply actions
Kevin Love for Chris Duhon
The trade machine says it will work therefore it is valid, right?
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by Chekhov's Spread Gun Option on Feb 24, 2011 8:53 AM EST reply actions
I don't think we need another undersized power forward who doesn't play defense.
Not on Duhon’s expense anyway.
This absolutely HAS to be a joke, right? Mr. Hyde, please tell me you're kidding...
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ok, thought so. But with all these people on here nowadays making ridiculous trade scenarios...
You just never know.
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All of these trades
have upgraded almost all the teams that are in the playoff race, making the Eastern conference.
I wish a move will be made.
Well, yeah.
Except for the one that weakened the Knicks and ensured their continued irrelevance for the next few years.
And the one where the Celtics don’t have a guy who can defend Howard any more.
And the one where the New Jersey Nets are a somewhat better lottery team than they were.
And the one where the Bulls and Heat did nothing of relevance.
Other than that… yeah. Trouble all around.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
I'm not sure Perkins could defend Howard any more anyway
Howard’s got whatever he wanted more often than not recently.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Looking at the current trades...
… suddenly, I feel like we might be better off if we don’t do any more moves.
anything to take my mind off that ugly Kings loss
but man… everyone’s going nuts in the trade deadline. Is it just me following ball much closely or has this year been crazier than the past 2?
Not just you
CBA expiring and the The Decision trend has everyone in a tizzy.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Will the Lone Ranger get out of the TNT rigged coal mine in time?
FIND OUT NEXT WEEK!
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by fwedo on Feb 24, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
LOLOLOLOLOL
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
J Rich and 2013 1st round pick for Battier, Jeffries, Brooks
Houston saves more money. Slide J Rich into the 3. They have Terrance Brooks. Do not have to worry about Brooks in the offseason. Magic would have to swallow it and leave Gilbert on the bench. And he is just going to have to shut it. No one loses in this trade.
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here is the trade
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=49wt86c
And if we let all 3 leave we save 32 million. 16 off the cap and 16 off the luxury tax. No if the new CBA has a hard cap, the Magic can cit Gil and have backup in place. Aaron Brooks is basically a younger Jameer. Easy transition. We would only have one SG, but Q can play. Just tell him not to shoot. His defense has not been that bad. Battier is a good defensive player and keeps the ball moving. Houston gets another scorer and someone who can slash, no idea why he does not do it with Orlando but that is aside the point, opening things up for Kevin Martin. Plus they save 14 from his contract plus the 17 from Yao. 31 million comes off this year.
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while the freeing up of salary is nice
don’t you kind of eliminate us from having any chance of trading for an upper-tier player to match alongside D12 by shipping off our 2013 1st rounder? It would seem to me that obtaining someone like CP3 via trade would no longer be viable.
Our first rounders are worth close to nothing,
they will not make any sort of difference in a mythical CP3 trade.
http://borntohustleroses.blogspot.com/
Our 2013 is not worth anything really. Houston drafts good late as it is. More enticing to them
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This thread is for real trades, not made-up ones.
by Evan Dunlap on Feb 24, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Ok
Evan did you hear anything about management felt about last night. Obviously Dwight and SVG were pissed, any word leak from sources?
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Pretty sure you mean Terrance Willilams, the guy they got from NJ
Orlando Magic. Oregon Ducks. Seattle Mariners. Jacksonville Jaguars.
Yup, I'm in class an hour and a half before the deadline and 2 past it.
sadface.
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damn you, school!
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
So it looks like our PG advantage over the hawks is gone now.
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by AB's triple double on Feb 24, 2011 9:24 AM EST reply actions
no for real.........Jameer won't be able to blow by Hinrich like he did Bibby
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by AB's triple double on Feb 24, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
my initial thoughts at the Atlanta trade
“man, that crossover was bigger than I thought”
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by Chekhov's Spread Gun Option on Feb 24, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
I, for one, await that day in eager anticipation
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Hinrich is a great add for the Hawks
Hopefully, JJ doesn’t have to guard him.
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
Yeah I like that deal
Still think the Magic can take them, though.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Has anybody seen the PANIC button?
I need to push it.
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You didn't imply the Magic would leave Orlando if Dwight left
Amateur panicking, really.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
"... the new CBA..."
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
As a Magic fan, I of course want to see this team improve, if possible.
As a fan of humor, I can’t help but be a bit excited if we don’t do anything and this board devolves into rage and panic. The prospect is hilarious.
kitty :3
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Do whatever it takes to get Paul
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4eknlku
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Seriously I know Ariza is terrible.
But at least he provides defense off the bench. And I do not care about the depth at PF. If we get Murphy problem solved. Seriously you have to get the two superstars. Figure it out later on down the road. Chris Paul and Dwight Howard would make me an All Star.
Another version
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4wx4k7y
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You can play trade machine games all day
The Hornets aren’t trading Paul today.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
They should
Unless they want to get Carmelo’d followed by getting LeBron’d.
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The new CBA could have anything in it
What if there’s a franchise tag? What if there’s a hard cap? What if there’s extended restricted free agency?
The Jazz traded Williams because they took a good hard look at their team and realised that whilst Williams was the best player on it, they weren’t going anywhere with that team and needed to blow it up. And because they’re Utah, and the Jazz are a profitable, well run franchise, they know they can afford to roll that dice.
The Hornets can’t. Chris Paul is New Orleans basketball. He’s staying until they don’t have a choice.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
NBA owns them. Much easier to sell with Paul on the team.
Arenas needs to hurry up and shoot himself (out of this slump).
I agree, but I will add it's much easier to contract with out him...
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The NBA isn't contracting
It’s just a stick to hit the players association with.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Magic take all their long term contracts
And they only have one instead of two. Shed 27 million off the books. They are not keeping Paul anyways.
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Hmm
Do you know who’s going to win the 2012 Superbowl, all knowing future man?
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Crystal ball says it will be Packers or Cowboys vs Steelers or Patriots.
Crystal Ball is a little dirty.
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I have to go to bed
And the trade deadline will have passed before I get up, so I’ll leave you with this thought.
Fire Otis Smith if he can’t acquire Durant, Paul and Griffin. Honestly, it’s the very least he should be able to achieve.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 10:36 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
We're not going to make any movers.
Otis, loves this team. No current or past warriors available so no move is imminent. Dammit, our GM is a bone head.
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by magic12ball on Feb 24, 2011 10:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Battier might be on his way back to Memphis
I wonder if we can get in on this somehow
Anybody think of an out box trade that might happen?
Not nessesarily for the Magic, but in the NBA in general
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Because Skip Bayless' opinion totally matters.
by Evan Dunlap on Feb 24, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well
we have consistently failed to put the right pieces around him and I can see frustration on the court. I think the Kings loss might have made Otis change his mind about not trading and we will see something happen before 3.
I’d bet a spicy chicken sandwich on that.
Please tell me how many superstars in this league get put into ideal positions?
Who, Kobe? He was in hell until one of the biggest dumb-luck trades ever landed them Pau Gasol.
Who, Lebron? He got into a miracle situation in terms of cap-space and even then they have plenty of flaws.
Who, Chris Paul? Oh wait, he’s surrounded by good defensive talent and David West and is kicking butt.
Please tell me which GM has done a better job than Otis at keeping a team great year-in, year-out. It’s not an easy job, and we have one who is trying. Lord knows the man played in the NBA, but he MUST listen to you and your vast basketball IQ.
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Well Miami planned to have all that cap space.
So they suffered for years to get their. I give Otis credit for not doing that. I don’t think Otis is as bad as some say. Trying to build for the future and keep a winning team when there is a cap, soft it may be you still can’t sign free agents whenever you want, is very difficult. Also can not cut players. NBA is the hardest to build a winning team.
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Exactly,
and having guaranteed contracts is ruining this game. It makes no sense for anyone involved, their would be a much better product if teams could void contracts.
http://borntohustleroses.blogspot.com/
This is the problem for the NBA.
If you are gonna have a cap, you have to be able to cut contracts. NHL and NFL have hard caps and you can cut players.
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You can't cut players in the NHL
Salaries don’t count if you assign them to the minors, though.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
We put the right pieces around him.
This team could’ve won the title last year. They could’ve won it the year before. I still think they’re going to be right there in it this year, but we’ll see.
You can’t guarantee a championship — all you can do is put a championship-caliber squad out there and hope the balls bounce the right way against the other championship-caliber squads. And thus far, Otis and Stan have done just that.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
I still like the team.
Especially with supposed “Dwight Killer” gone out of Boston. I really hope the NBA gets to cut contracts. If you are going to have caps you have to be able to cut contracts.
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What I really want
is for them to get the maximum salary closer to the overall cap — it would solve concerns about multiple stars teaming up if you couldn’t fit three max players (give or take) under the cap.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
Yeah, I agree
To be honest, I’m not convinced there should even be a maximum salary in the NBA.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Making a trade just to make one would likely make things exponentially worse for the Magic.
We need to just stand fast and figure out where this team is headed.
I’m beginning to think there may be some real, if underlying, tension between SVG and Otis Smith in terms of what kind of team the Magic should be. At the very least, Smith’s transactions do not appear to line up with SVG’s strategies at all.
Bringing in fresh blood won’t fix this.
Very true.
That is why anyone who complains about SVG really, in a polite way, needs to shut up.
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Has Evan talked about this at all? (SVG and Otis at odds)
It’s probably not cool to stir up conflict between a head coach and GM. But I do remember reading some things last season about Smith not approving of the 4 out/1 in offense and wanting to load up the interior, play more traditional basketball, and SVG somewhat begrudgingly going along with it.
What kind of offensive scheme did he run in Miami? Did he tailor-fit the Magic to Howard and all of our perimeter talent? Because I know he’s a huge believer in the 3 ball in general (highest % shot other than a dunk/layup).
For WHATEVER it's worth
and I’m not trying to start ish…but Billy D and SVG have eerily similar coaching principles. Play smart on the inside, shoot the 3, defend the 3.
We kinda have no idea how Billy would have played IF he actually wanted to be in Orlando, which clearly, he didn’t.
http://borntohustleroses.blogspot.com/
Only difference is Donovan is more Doc Rivers
NO idea why he left Dwight Howard to stay in college.
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Yah, he must be reeaally happy in Gainesville because it is looking like a bad decision on his part.
http://borntohustleroses.blogspot.com/
Is that a joke? Florida is first in the SEC right now and a projected 3 seed in the tournament
Totally a bad decision to stay at UF indeed……….
by gatorboi352 on Feb 24, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Compared to playing at a higher-level, and having talent as opposed to multiple years of disappointment.
You’re right, what Coach wouldn’t prefer 5 years working for one SEC championship over an NBA finals appearance and multiple deep playoff runs.
Your head——→Ass.
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Gator fan defending a gator......hmmm.
How about that beat down in Tally this year?? Muahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Taunt each other via email or AIM or carrier pigeon or something.
Get this nonsense out of the comments.
Coaching in college is very different from coaching in the NBA
You don’t have the egos, the money, the travel, the intensity.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yah, but again, the principles schematically are actually similar.
And it’s not like college coaches don’t work hard.
Maybe it comes down to in-game adjustments, I don’t know.
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Oh, I do agree.
lol sorry.
But there is also a learning curve for those coaches as well, I think, and GMs don’t have that much patience.
And at the end of the day I would rather have a highly-regarded assistant coach than an elite college one. I mean look at what Tom Thibideau did with CHI this year. Crazy.
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once again
can you blame him? All his buddies are teaming up and on super teams now, and SuperMAN can’t even get his boys to beat the Kings.
He probably will.
In a couple of years the NBA will be made up of 6-8 elite teams and all the rest will essentailly be the “minor leagues.” Everyone will be running to form their own Heat-esque superteam.
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by GonzoBallSHU on Feb 24, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Eventually there will be fallout from one of these "super teams".
My money is on the Knicks.
Eventually, a team that seemed a sure thing based on star power will fail to gel, fall apart and there will be blood.
Yeah, you have ALOT of ego on the Knicks
aklot of ego and no defense
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Feb 24, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
No it wont.
The league has always been home to 6-8 elite teams. Not sure what the big deal is. Cleveland and Denver complain because their stars didn’t want to stay and do business there. OK? Get over it. Dwight wants to leave, he will have a right. If everyone makes a big deal about their team stinking, root for the Lakers. In the end though everyone is making a big deal only because of the internet and how connected people are.
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"In a couple of years the NBA will be made up of 6-8 elite teams and all the rest will essentailly be the "minor leagues."
That’s pretty much how the NBA is already though. It might not be to the point where every superstar is on one of these 6 to 8, but look at the nba in general over the last 25 years. It’s the same teams always at the top with an occasional outside team able to jump up a little for like 1 maybe 2 years.
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I wouldn't say same teams as much as it cyclical
Everyone gets their run for about a decade, if you get a superstar, or 5 years. Then you gotta rebuild. Philly was good, now they are not. Orlando was great, good, terrible, good, and then great again. Bulls were best, terrible, decent, terrible, decent, terrible, decent and now great. Celtics stunk, decent, stunk, stunk again, stunk even more and then became great. The NBA is cyclical.
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I'm not a huge Rick Reilly fan, but here's a decent article on this topic:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6150136
Frankly, I think he nails the issue right on the head.
(And yes, it probably belongs in fanshots, but it is so germane!)
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
He just talking out of his mouth
The NBA has always been like this. We should be thanful we live in Orlando and have a market that Free Agents will sign to play basketball. Minnesota, Cleveland, Toronto, Sacramento, and other places just do not have opportunity to sign free agents. Both Florida teams and all of the Texas teams are good locations for NBA players.
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contraction is on its way
because there is no reason for a Malik Allen, Jamaal Magliore, and other bottom feeders to even be in the League.
I would rather have teams relocate.
I would rather have more teams in bigger markets. Why does New York only have one freaking team? Why does Chicago only have one? Seattle should get a team. Vancouver should get a team. They actually had good fan support. Texas could handle another team. Not sure if Florida could.
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But I think Austin, Texas could be a good market. New York needs more than two teams. Too many people.
Look at soccer. There are like 12 different teams just in London. Arenas are not that big. Chicago should have another team. I know Atlanta does not have many fans show up, but Atlanta the City is big on basketball. They could have another team. Small-Mid Markets that can survive are: Orlando, OKC, San Antonio, Denver, Golden State(great fan base), possibly Kansas City if they get a team, Toronto is more viable than you think. NBA would be fine if more teams moved to bigger markets. If Dwight leaves, it is not because he hates Orlando, it is because when we had cap space the only free agnet available was Rashard Lewis. And then Turk got greedy. If Turk does not leave we probably win the Finals last year.
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Well...
…if you do that, you just create new “bottom-feeders”. There is ALWAYS going to be a worst guy in the league… there’s no helping it. Only two differences:
- If replacement level for players goes up, it’s a lot easier for a team with multiple big stars to dominate. Consider the Heat — they signed LeBron, Wade and Bosh, but the flip side is that they have Joel Anthony and Ilgauskas playing minutes at center. What if you shrink the league, and the guys they can get are (for example) Gortat at center and Mike Conley at PG? There’s no hope for a well-built team like Boston or Orlando — there’s no need to put that kind of thought into constructing a roster. Big stars will rule the day.
- The league as a whole gets smaller, because having fewer teams shrinks the overall fanbase. It’s a terrible business decision for the NBA.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
True, but I meant "Super Teams"
where the 6-8 teams are concoted by the players themselves joining up with their buddies.
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by GonzoBallSHU on Feb 24, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
The league has always been like that.
No of us were complaining when we begged Tim Duncan to come to the TD Waterhouse Center. OR wooing Grant Hill and T-Mac. Or Rashard Lewis. Look you have to stink for two years in a row to get two top 5 picks and that is the only way if you are not going to have cap space. Look at OKC. Durant, Westbrook, and could have taken Curry but Harden is not bad. But stink for two or three year get back to back top 5 picks, and then get an elite coach.
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The new CBA will probably
Make it a lot easier for teams to keep talent, and a lot harder for max FAs to move teams.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
stan is the man
He’s the best coach the magic have ever had. It’s otis that needs to be fired. It’d be nice if we could get his boyfriend. Sorry i mean gil to go with him.
Dwight is fully gone and i don’t blame him. otis destroyed our best chance at winning a title.
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by poterajko on Feb 24, 2011 12:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I miss C.Lee still...
how often does a rookie play as well as he did in the playoffs/finals? sigh
"I wouldn't say same teams as much as it cyclical"
I agree, the point is, it’s always the same teams. The Lakers may reign supreme while a team like Boston is terrible. Then when the Lakers start to Fall off Chicago becomes great. Then when Chicago starts to fall off, Boston runs the show…or the Lakers etc etc. It’s the same teams that rule the yard while the rest just dwell in medicore land. Once in a very blue moon you get the oddity where one of those lesser teams can climb up and have a great showing, but not very often.
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Boston has been good for 3 years. They sucked for 20
Hell the Spurs had one terrible year. The Lakers were bad every year after Shaq left until they Gasol. They would have continued to suck if they never got Gasol either by the way. Since Shaq left we have had what, maybe 5 years were we are unwatchable? That is pretty stable. Orlando is a good basketball organization. The teams that suck usually have bad ownership. Clips, Warriors, Wizards, Grizzlies, Cavs.
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Whats up with Murphy?
I know he is in GS now, but is getting bought out?
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
So with buyouts
when is the last day to add them so they can be on the playoff roster?
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
Bring T-Mac back
ORL★NDO, our time will come.
by magic12ball on Feb 24, 2011 2:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He is, scarily
One of the better two guards in the NBA right now.
There’s really very little talent at the wings in this league at the moment.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
He actually looks good as a poijnt forward for Detroit
its helping Stuckey as well
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Feb 24, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
That would be great
but whose minutes would he play?
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
How about this trade...
Magic get:
Al Jefferson
Jazz get:
Jason Richardson
If heard that the Jazz are looking to get rid of one of their bigs since they acquire Derrick Favors form NJ. Getting Al would allow us to gain depth in the post…gives us a guy that can potentially come in and play the 4 along side Dwight and give us a little “twin tower” look. We still keep our versatility with the “stretch 4” with Rhino coming off the bench and B.Bass can get minutes against the smaller PFs we play against.
With this, the Jazz adds quality depth at SG for the remainder of the year and gets an expiring contract…
Gives us…
Jameer Gil Duhon
JJ Q.Rich Gil
Turk Q.Rich
Al B. Bass Rhino Earl
Dwight AL Malik
What you guys think??
Don’t you mean “why do they have Favors?”
Because that’s a valid question with no easy answers.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
Well...
…they just traded for an old Devin Harris and the new Anthony Randolph.
Personally, I’d rather have gotten at least one guy who will be an NBA-quality starter in the present or future. But maybe Williams’ trade vale really IS that low?
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
Favors will be good. I am sure of it.
Would not trade Dwight for him, but I think he will be good.
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Well, you're more confident than I am.
He was junk in college. He’s demonstrated very little skill as a pro… decent at getting putbacks and such, a distinctly average rebounder, no shooting range whatsoever, never passes the ball, indifferent shot-blocker, no concept of team defense.
He’ll be a 12 points/9 rebounds/1 assist/1 block guy. Basically Gortat with less basketball IQ and defensive/rebounding touch. And that would be cool if he was a center, but people demand a little more from their PFs.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
No PG to give him the ball(very similar to Dwight now although Meer gets him the ball)
I think he will turn into a Center. Put him in the weight room
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And stretch him?
He’s 6’10", and he doesn’t have the frame to be a powerful Alonzo Mourning type. He’s a PF.
His offensive game is a lot like Dwight’s when he came into the league, only he’ll never be physically dominant like Dwight. He doesn’t have the skills to make up for that.
Rebounding instincts rarely develop much one way or the other. If he had them, he would’ve been using them by now.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
The dude is only 19. Give it a couple years to reserve judgement
Arenas needs to hurry up and shoot himself (out of this slump).
I just don't think he has enough raw skills to build on.
He can score on putbacks and dunks, he’s an average rebounder, that’s it.
He’ll never be able to help a team with passing or post defense, and he’ll never have an outside shot. It’s not like he has a 33% three now, and we can say “all right, he can get that up to 37%.” Players’ skills develop, but they don’t just magically appear out of thin air.
Yeah, I’m saying he could improve the aspects of the game he has. He could probably become a reasonably prolific post scorer — 12-15 points at 50-52%, say. Maybe he becomes a good rebounder… 9-10 boards. Maybe he learns enough to not be a liability on D… 1 block, maybe one and a half, and solid team defense.
But he’s always going to be a limited player. And the limited players who become stars, whether it’s Dwight, Rondo or Steve Nash, always have a couple exceptional talents, things they do better than almost anyone else. I don’t think Favors has anything like that.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
Favors has incredible lateral quckness and length.
He’s got all the tools to be an elite defender. He’s also already averaging over 11 rebounds per 40 minutes pace adjusted, and that’s as the youngest player in the league.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Physical tools. Not basketball tools. Physical tools players who don’t dominate young never end up dominating… he’s not going to get much better physically, so he’s going to have to make further progress with skills. And he doesn’t have skills, or even the roots of skills.
His defensive rebounding rate is 18.9 — good for 75th in the league, tied with Josh McRoberts, Shawn Marion and Charlie Villanueva. (He inflates that pace by fishing for offensive boards rather than getting back on D.) And rebounding doesn’t tend to improve much with age — it’s the least experience-dependent statistic.
It’s not out of the question he could average 10 rebounds a game, especially if his future coaches keep letting him fish for empty rebounds — but odds are that’s all.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
75th in the league, perhaps
But 18th for PFs, which isn’t bad for a rookie. Better than Josh Smith, better than Pau Gasol, better than Tyrus Thomas.
I think his maximum potential is a rangier Carlos Boozer, which ain’t all bad at all. No, he probably doesn’t have an elite talent, and he’s not going to be a superstar, but he can be a stud piece.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, I probably wasn't fair to Harris.
I didn’t realize he had rebounded somewhat after last season. Yeah, Harris is an okay piece. Not someone to rebuild around, though — two old, questionable decision-making.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
Still they saved themselves a massive headache and circus and got draft picks
draft picks are the big part
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Yeah, I'm probably being too hard on them.
Given that everyone knew Williams wanted to leave, and probably didn’t want to re-sign a lot of places, they had to take what they could get. I suppose if Favors doesn’t pan out, they’re back to the lottery with extra picks to work with. Could be worse!
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
I actually like this trade because it gives us a big.
Yes his defense is terrible, but his offense is good. So if Dwight leaves we would have Jefferson. Win win for everyone. Utah saves money. We get a big in the event Dwight leaves. What is not to like about it?
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Otis Smith has just reached 5th level prestige in Black Ops. Gilbert Arenas coaching him.
ORL★NDO, our time will come.
by magic12ball on Feb 24, 2011 2:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
well looks like
I owe someone a spicy chicken sandwich for losing my “def be a trade today” bet.
I just saw that.
Wow. That makes OKC Title contenders for real real. WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW. And the Celtics get Jeff Green. WOW
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Yeah
I wonder if Boston knows something about his knees though.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
it is a good trade for both.
I thought Gortat could have gotten us Green earlier in the season.
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not at all
potentially maybe, but definitely not right now. Boston is in win-now mode. I think they did this because they figured there was no way they were going to keep Perkins once he hit free agency this summer.
Maybe Shard -- these days.
Maybe not. Definitely not Turk.
Green is a combo SF/PF because he lacks some of the skills you expect from a PF (size, strength, rebounding, post D) and some of the skills you expect from a wing (outside shooting, handling/passing.) His true shooting has always been below the league average, and he’s at best nothing special on defense.
It’s weird how many plays the Thunder run for him, but I guess it’s because their point guard is also the guy who thinks it’s a good idea to give Russell Westbrook 17 shots a game.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
Actually gives me more hope for Orlando
I guess Boston realized that Perkins could not defend Dwight anymore. They are probably going to make a huge push for him.
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Some people on this site don't want to hear it,
but Dwight is going to go elsewhere. By not signing an extension he’s turning down millions of dollars. He’s not doing that just to re-sign with us later. Hope I’m wrong.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
He's not able to sign an extension until the summer. Refraining from saying mean things....
I am not saying that Dwight is definitely staying, but he cannot sign an extension until this summer at the earliest. and just to add….
….new CBA…..
Thanks Redfield.
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Mark is right
he can sign a 2 year 42 million deal right now if he wants
by MagicMichael on Feb 24, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
ok, I stand corrected and I apologize.
I wouldn’t sign that deal either though. Absolutely crushes all of his leverage. He is able to hold it over the Magic brass’ heads right now, threatening basically, “get me the best teammates possible, or I am outta here.” Plus, it’s all about the guaranteed money. He’s got a contract now, why not wait 2 summers, sign the new contract and get another 5 guaranteed?
Sorry for my mini-explosion, I obviously am stupid.
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I'd still take the guarantee of 3 more years (or 2 more if the max contract is only 4 in new CBA) over 2 yrs
…and slightly more money per year. At this point, money shouldn’t be an issue for Dwight. Huge yearly salary, top 5 most popular jersey, leading East vote getter 2 yrs in a row, and most endorsement deals than any NBA player. He’s doing fine financially. If he has a bad knee/foot injury though in 2014? He’s screwed. If he waits til 2012, gets a brand new max deal, he’s got 4 yrs (presumably) guaranteed money. That’s my thinking anyway.
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It's not going to be slightly more per year, though
It’s going to be LOTS more. He can lock in the option year of his contract at $19.5m, and tack two on after that for about $44m combined.
The current figures the NBA are looking at for max contracts are more like $15m a season – possibly less – so if Howard opts out and leaves as a FA, he’s might be leaving over $15m on the table.
That is serious money.
But, of course, we all want a player who’s interested in winning, not money, right? Right? Anyone?
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Well if you listen to Dwight...
I’d rather have him be interested in money, not winning. He can get paid the most here. lol.
Im not going to pretend I have an idea about what the new CBA max contracts will look like, so I can’t argue w/ any of your points. I will assume your knowledge on the subject is much greater than mine, and if you’re right, then I agree with you; that is a ton of money to leave on the table.
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Eh
I’m only really going on speculation, rumour, hearsay and assumption too.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Notice the won WOW for Boston
This is great for OKC. They can legitemaly go to war in the playoffs. two elite scorers and an elite big defender.
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And they just added Nazr Mohammed to the mix.
OKC will certainly be interesting to watch from now on.
I don't get it either.
They must think his knees are done.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Free agent.
They want cap space for Dwight. But then again so is Jeff Green. Are Shaq and Jermain healthy? Man we need to stay in this four spot. Boston looks more beatable today. Boston lifted my spirits up today.
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But what is the difference?
Unless Perk thought he was 10 mil a year guy. Whoops if he did. Green will settle for about 8 mill. From a boston perspective, Rondo Green and Howard potentially? Maybe. From their perspective.
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Sadly true.
If not $10 million, then at least more than the mid-level.
Counting stats rule the day, even if (as in this case) all they mean is “they ran a bunch of plays for this guy and he didn’t miss ALL the shots.”
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
That would be hilarious
I guess untapped potential is worth 10 million a year
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by Souwantmyname on Feb 24, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
He'll get paid along the lines of what Marcus Camby got
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by Souwantmyname on Feb 24, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Perk's an expiring contract anyway
And Robinson’s contract expires in 2012.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah this deal makes no sense for Boston.
I guess they think they are getting the second seed, think they can beat Boston, Miami will beat Orlando. Because if they are the top seed, I LOVE Orlando’s chances against them. Seriously. NO IDEA what the heck Boston was doing. Also if they get to the Finals, they might end playing OKC. In which case OKC would beat them IMO
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Here's how I see the playoffs unfolding out of the top 4 teams in the East
Orlando can beat Chicago but would lose to Boston and Miami
Miami can beat Boston and Orlando but lose to Chicago
Boston can beat Orlando but lose to Miami and Chicago
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by Souwantmyname on Feb 24, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
See I feel like the Magic have a great chance to win against Boston
especially after the trades they made today
Orlando Magic. Oregon Ducks. Seattle Mariners. Jacksonville Jaguars.
Agreed
I actually like the Magic’s chances against anyone. I’m not saying they’d necessarily be a favorite as a lower seed against Miami or Boston, but they certainly wouldn’t be a huge dog, either. I’d call them probably 50-50.
The Magic’s problem this year has not been effort against good teams, but effort against bad teams and flukey shooting games for the Magic or their opponents. The reality is that in a 7 game series, with time for one of the best preparing coaches to prepare and equally rested teams, the Magic are better than their record.
The plural of "anecdote" isn't "data."
Whoa!
Thats a move I never saw coming! Perkins for Jeff Green straight up?
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there are other pieces involved
nate robinson to thunder and i think krystc or however you spell it is going to Boston
I don't understand why Ainge would do this.
I am upset I spent my morning/afternoon at work/gym today. I had to sift through 10,000 comments to find this section. Anyway, the only leverage Boston had against us was the ability to guard Dwight 1 on 1 with a healthy Perk. Without him, who are they gonna throw out there? Shaq? Krystic? Please. I think Boston just did us a big favor in my opinion. I get that they are preparing for the future w/o KG, but seriously, Jeff Green and Krystic isn’t the answer, at least not to that question. I think they just threw away their chances of a title w/ this group they have. I’m in more shock about this than I was yesterday w/ Deron Williams I think.
And from a Magic perspective, it definitely doesn’t make it more difficult to beat them now. It might not be much easier, but it is most certainly not more difficult. Dwight destroyed Perk earlier, but I think it had more to do w/ him literally JUST coming back from his surgery. He has been the best defender of Dwight (other than healthy Yao) in the NBA and now he’s gone. Interesting trade, to say the least.
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They think they are getting Dwight.
Seriously. Read between the lines. KG and Ray Allen expire within the next two years. Doc played the four Celtics with Dwight. They are going to push really hard for Dwight. Remember Dwight may hate KG, but he LOVES Bill Russell. I can live with Dwight going to LA. Dwight going to Boston is a different story altogether. I would hate him immediately. I would root for the Lakers along the Magic if goes to LA. Anywhere he goes I will be ok with as long as it is not Boston. Different animal.
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Think you're reading too much into this.
I get the idea that they want him, who doesn’t? But the whole “oh Doc just put his 4 C’s in with Dwight! He must be trying to show him how great it would be to play for Boston in LA with 2 guys who won’t be there and another who will be on his last leg!”
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They will only have Pierce and Rondo on the books for that year.
They are going to do the best they can to get him.
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Yeah, I get it.
But if Dwight leaves because he:
A) presumably wants a bigger market, how much bigger really is Boston than Orlando? I realize they’re a hugely popular NBA franchise and the greatest historically, but that doesn’t give him better chances at landing movie deals does it?
B) wants the best chance to win a title. Old Pierce and Rondo and Dwight. Not a bad 1-2 punch with Dwight and Rondo. I’d foul the hell out of them all game long. They’d need to add a couple stud wing players who can handle late game situations. Doubt Pierce will be able to do that then.
C) Money? He can get the most here.
The best chance they have at getting him is the Rondo to Dwight potential with more cap space available. But I am not part of the CBA negotiations, so I don’t really have a clue what might happen in the future.
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They didn't need to trade Perksins or Nate Rob to get Dwight
Both would expire in time.
Ainge is up to something else. He may be planning on getting Dwight, sure, but this deal has nothing to do with that.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Murphy most likely.
Read Hollinger’s article. He says it is stupid especially if they end up playing Orlando or LA instead of Miami and SA
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They traded their young big guys too. They got a second roudner from the cavs for Harangody and Erden. They literally now have zero front court depth.
Shaq + Davis + Krystic + KG is all they have.
More than we got.
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I'll take our front court over that.
Arenas needs to hurry up and shoot himself (out of this slump).
Only because it has Dwight.
They have more quality bigs than we do though, and certainly guys they can throw at Dwight.
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We have 2.5 quality bigs, they have 2.5
Arenas needs to hurry up and shoot himself (out of this slump).
Quality bigs?
Shaq? Not quality. KG, good. Davis? Thinks he’s a stud, not quite. Krystic? Decent. not anything special, and he’s no where near what he used to be before his injury a year+ or so ago.
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Krstic is awful this year.
Not sure whether it’s the injury or what, but he’s useless on rebounding/post D.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
there you have it. So they have...
KG who’s quality, and Davis who thinks he is. That’s it.
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Davis is quality, and Shaq still has some qualities.
Krstic is awful this year, but he’s a better back-up center than anything we have.
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Shaq is fat. I don't think that is quality.
The rest of them? Can’t guard Dwight Howard 1 on 1, which is the only thing that allowed Boston to play so well defensively against Orlando. Now they will either give up 40 to him, allow him to grab every possible rebound, and dominate the paint even more by not having to literally fight Perkins for rebounding position when he’s on defense, or they will leave our shooters w/ better wide open shots by having to double him.
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They'll give up 40
And stay out on the shooters, like everyone else does.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Well give Dwight 40 shot attempts then
He can win you a game. If everyone else sacrifices their 10 shots, because everyone except Dwight gets that many shots, and allows Dwight to do his thing we can win. Odd I know. People said see if Dwight can score 40 to beat you, well he can do it. Trim down forced 3’s, PLEASE FANS NOTICE FORCED and let Dwight operate. He can win a series all by himself. He is that good now.
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I agree with this
And if he’s not hitting free throws so they keep fouling him, let the other guys drive once they are in the bonus, etc.
Also, if Dwight is working the offense every time down the floor, the opponent’s defensive players risk getting as bored as the Magic’s offensive players and start hanging inside, paying less attention to their man, which can STILL open up those outside shots even if the other team is explicitly trying to avoid that.
With solid defense (this is key, duh), the Magic can readily win with Dwight carrying the scoring load.
The plural of "anecdote" isn't "data."
I'd take Bass over Krstic.
This year, at least. Even with Bass’ height.
I’d take either over Davis. Davis is hopeless — a worse rebounder than any of the Magic’s big men (well, except maybe Allen), a rabid chucker who barely keeps his true shooting above 50%, and no great defender either.
But yeah, I wouldn’t write off Shaq just yet. He’s old, he’s fat, he’s slow, he was never a great defender even in his prime. But he can still score, and he’s insanely efficient this year. He’s a better rebounder than Bass, Krstic or Davis. And if nothing else, he’s a road block on D who will occasionally block a shot. He doesn’t worry me against Dwight, certainly not the way Perkins did. But he’s still got some tricks left.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
And one more thing worth mentioning...
…if they do double Dwight, who gets back out to Anderson on the perimeter? Whatever else you may say about that Celtics frontcourt, it may be one of the slowest in NBA history.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
Good points.
We’ll see how it plays out. I wouldn’t just write off their frontcourt (or ignore KG in all of this).
Honestly, part of me thinks they made this trade at least partially because they’re just not worried about matching up with the Magic anymore. I think they feel they can win this year against us in a seven-game series even without Perk playing Dwight.
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I hope they think that.
The evidence for it is far from compelling.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
That's what Hollinger was saying.
That Boston is betting against LA and Orlando here, more worried about the Spurs and Heat.
Nothing..
sits back and watches as most of the teams in the east get better.
i think the knicks matter now
amare carved us up by himself. Billups will own Nelson, and we don’t have anyone to stop Melo.
um
I know you’ve seen our team lately, and we aren’t the most efficient defense out there either
But Melo and Amar'e will average more for the same reason
Arenas needs to hurry up and shoot himself (out of this slump).
ya..
I’d take two elite scorers over 1 any day.
and that rookie Fields is very good.
nah, i'll take D all day, but we have one guy who is capable of playing it consistently.
Arenas needs to hurry up and shoot himself (out of this slump).
obviously good D would be nice
but our team currently doesn’t play anything close to that.
We're third in the league in defensive efficiency.
There are 27 teams out there who would be thrilled to have our defense.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
With Carmelo shooting them out of games?
He’s averaging 54.6% true shooting this season. The Knicks have allowed higher than that all season, and the trade certainly doesn’t strengthen their D.
And for that matter, does anyone believe Stoudemire’s TS% (57%… decent but not great) will improve with Billups in there, Anthony overlapping with him on the drive, and Chandler/Gallinari no longer stretching the floor for him?
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
The Knicks don't matter
They won’t catch Atlanta and even if they beat Chicago, Boston or Miami will smear them.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
No doubt
Defense or no defense, Orlando isn’t going to see them in the playoffs. They’re irrelevant.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
I hope so.
Anyways, I am glad Boston traded Perkins. We have a better chance. If I am an Orlando player I should take the personal. They view Miami as a bigger threat(right or wrong does not matter, as a player you should be insulted)
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by AB's triple double on Feb 24, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
BIG BREAKING NEWS
Otis just woke up from his afternoon nap and made some coffee
Kendrick Perkins to OKC?
So who is Shaq’s backup? You know, if he played more than once a week?
No front courts for – MIA, NYK and now BOS.
CHI/ORL ECF anybody?
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Great point
This is such a great opportunity for the Magic cuz of Dwight. Who can guard him?
I guess it doesn’t matter if everyone sucks and we lose to teams like the Kings tho.
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But he was a body and depth.
Shaq and Kristic is the rotation? I will sign up for a Boston playoff series right now.
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by GonzoBallSHU on Feb 24, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
And coming off injury.
He’s still one of the best post defenders in the league and certainly one of Dwight’s most frustrating.
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by GonzoBallSHU on Feb 24, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Season ending surgey beginning of Feb.
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by GonzoBallSHU on Feb 24, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Houston wanted a big
and they got Thabeet. Instant title contender.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 3:09 PM EST reply actions
Nah,
they wouldn’t even win that.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
I can see Thabeet trying to choke slam someone
but not being able to lift the guy up because he’s not strong enough. Then Dajuan Blair runs in and power bombs Thabeet.
Orlando Magic. Oregon Ducks. Seattle Mariners. Jacksonville Jaguars.
I like all this shuffling
It takes the spotlight off how bad we’re playing.
OKC
has also picked up Nazr Mohammad. He is a very good defensive center. Great day for the Thunder.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 3:18 PM EST reply actions
It's all over.
Think Woj @ Yahoo broke it.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
OKC big winners today in my opinion.
Lots of bigs to go with Westbrook and Durant
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As long as Perk does not pay on Friday
Arenas needs to hurry up and shoot himself (out of this slump).
Perkins and Nate for Kristic and Green.
The best trade Otis Smith has ever made.
Ok, definitely top 5, though.
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Love Wallace
Sucks that Portland isn’t in contention but Portland fans will love him.
I wonder if Charlotte buys out Ghostface Przybila?
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Hmmmm.
Wonder if the Celtics know they’re getting another big on their roster soon?
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 3:26 PM EST reply actions
Boston has no way to take him on. No Bi-Annual and no Mid-Level.
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Feb 24, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Told you guys he could be had. Not sure what. Maybe this makes Nash more tradable at the end of the season???
Phoenix owes us for taking Turk
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i would pass on Nash
hes only got 2 or 3 more seasons in him. We need someone who can grow with Dwight and the franchise.
And have Dwight leave because all his teammates are retiring and he feels his work here is done?
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
If we win a title.
If. Dude we got one. I know you everyone wants a bunch, but we have never had any. I would do anything just to get one. Seriously.
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Nash is shooting ridiculous numbers.
He would make our team infinitely better.
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They just got Aaron Brooks.
Nash will be moved on draft day. Magic should do what they have to. All you need is one season.
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I mean, they're going to want like..........Nelson + Redick + cash and draft picks.
Is that really worth it?
you do know Nash is 37 right...
why would we give up so much for 2 more seasons. It makes no sense.
Nash is still an elite PG. Not his fault he has 50 SG's and SF's to throw the ball too.
Yes it would be worth it.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
I would trade jameer for Nash.
Nash is still a top five PG. Takes great care of himsellf. He is not slowing down despite what people say.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Im sorry but age catches up quick
he would turn 38 next season…No thank you.
Brooks has been on the market for weeks
Everyone knew he could be had.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. Orlando had nothing to get him.
Could have waited to trade Gortat to Houston for him. No point in talking like that now.But I would have liked him. A younger Jameer.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Don't think they wanted him, more to the point
Smith has made his bed with Arenas.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Is there room for 2 in the cofffin?
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Feb 24, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
We could have have Kevin Martin and Aaron Brooks if we had dealt with Houston
they really liked Gortat
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Feb 24, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
I really don't think they'd have parted with Martin
Brooks was definitely available.
More to the point, I wonder if the Suns would have accepted Duhon, Gortat and Pietrus for Turk and Dragic; assuming the two deals in December never happened. Maybe I’m tripping, but
Nelson Dragic Williams
Carter Redick
Turk Lewis Carter
Anderson Bass Lewis
Howard Bass
Seems like a better team than what we’ve got.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 25, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Except PHX would never do that trade.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
I know.
This was just my way of replying to “what if” kind of posts two months after the original trade took place.
You're missing the point, then
Otis screwed the team by making the moves way, way too early. If he’d waited, who knows what the same assets could have acquired?
by eltharion_doa on Feb 25, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
The point is not about trades
It’s a comment on Smith’s unnecessary hastiness. The trade example is merely the tool used to illuminate Smith’s lack of judgement.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 27, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
you forgot the part where Nash is coming here for Otis
Arenas needs to hurry up and shoot himself (out of this slump).
Good for them actually.
Collison, Mayo, Granger, and Hibbert. Miami might have a tough time with them. Imagine if they had a real coach?
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Collectively they make each other better. Wow Larry Bird has built a nice little foundation.
George would be a great 6th man for them. Gotta like what Larry is doing there.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Josh McRoberts + 1st round pick.
They might have missed the deadline though.
thats a good one for the Pacers
even tho they drafted Rush, George and still have Dunleavy and Granger plus Dahntay Jones.
I would take Dahntay for Duhon. Good perimeter defender.
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
Why couldn't we
have OKCs GM….? He’s built himself a dynasty in the west.
it was full
of 19,20 year olds who hadn’t matured. Those days are over.
He also got dealt a flush hand
With the remnants of the zombie Sonics.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Rasheed Wallace must be coming back.
Why else trade away Erden and Perkins?
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 3:35 PM EST reply actions
It's a 2nd rounder right?
The clips just gave away their 2011 1st rounder to cleveland, so they cant give up their 2012 1st rounder
Orlando Magic. Oregon Ducks. Seattle Mariners. Jacksonville Jaguars.
Also
I’m pretty sure you can always trade your first-rounder THIS year. It’s consecutive FUTURE years where you can’t trade your picks.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
Oh ok thanks
which team did that pick used to belong to? (just trying to judge the value of the pick whether it’s a lottery pick or not)
Orlando Magic. Oregon Ducks. Seattle Mariners. Jacksonville Jaguars.
Trade for an AA sponsor?
To follow around J-Rich.
Break the Curse
Orland made no trades.
Unbelievable we couldn’t trade J-Rich. No GM has done less with more.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 3:39 PM EST reply actions
OJ Mayo for freaking Josh McRoberts?
Magic could not do anything better? Seriously.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
OJ Mayo wouldn't help us.
You guys have got to be realistic. Of all the players who bounced around today, how many of them would be an immediate upgrade over our current roster?
Unless we had a real chance to pull a top 10 player, one who fits our team, or a bargain deal to pull something we need (i.e. a big) nothing was going to happen.
We made our plays in December, and they have locked us in for the foreseeable future. Huzzah.
by Jtyler998 on Feb 24, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank goodness.
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
Hello, handsome, is that a ten-gallon hat or are you just enjoying the show?
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Feb 24, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Normally Otis would pull the trigger on a bum deal like that.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
pryzbilla is a Big STIFF... no offensive skills, bad hands and big slow feet
by MagicMichael on Feb 24, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Not quite
No centers are.
He’s as good a rebounder as Bynum, though. Wouldn’t quite have him as elite.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Pryz is a great player.
Not everybody can be Dwight Howard or Olajuwon.
Man, tough crowd.
by Hoop Dreams 2 on Feb 24, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
How much better can J-Rich be than J.J.
Redick pts per play 1.07
Richardson 1.01
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 3:46 PM EST reply actions
there are two ends of the floor Sir.
J-Rich doesnt get his ankles broken atleast and isn’t physically limited.
Yeah, Jrich just watches the offensive player go by him, rather than at least attempt to stay in front.
by MagicMark on Feb 24, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I dont think anyone would say JJ is a better defender then J-Rich
they’re both pretty bad.
he's physically limited thats for sure.
I will say this, he is the best defender he can possibly be given his lack of nba level athleticism.
He's willing
And good at chasing Ray Allen around screens. That doesn’t make you a good defender. He’ll never be athletic enough.
Not that he’s bad either, he’s just mediocre.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Then you don't watch basketball.
Just because he’s white, doesn’t mean JJ doesn’t play good defense.
I’m just saying.
The plural of "anecdote" isn't "data."
Yes.
“Facts” are the ones that are wrong, right?
JJ’s a very solid defender. He stays in front of his man, doesn’t get caught making a lot of mistakes or gambling for steals, etc.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
Yeah.
“Solid” as in “average, but in a reliable way.”
IWhich, yeah, is not bad. I’d rather have a wing defender who doesn’t make big plays or shut people down, but doesn’t allow easy baskets, than a guy who’s always either making the big play or allowing his man easy buckets.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
J Rich carried the Suns through a couple of playoff series last summer.
And he isn’t exactly old.
Something in the water at the Amway Center.
More like
Steve Nash in the building in Phoenix.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Redick's defense is much better.
And yet Otis (and you) feels the difference between the two is greater than whatever we could have gotten in a trade. Outrageous.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Don't be stupid.
Expiring contracts are valuable and Richardson is a good player. There is a market for that. How in the Hell do you presume to know who I want him to be traded for anyway?
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Expiring contracts were valuable when not every team had an expiring contract.
Literally every team has expiring contracts now. They typically package them with DRAFT PICKS, which Orlando DOES NOT HAVE.
Whoever we could have gotten in a trade for JRich is not going to be better than JRich. It is that simple. We have no package in order to get a top20 player in the league without destroying any semblance of depth left on the roster.
You don't seem able or willing to separate individual value from organizational value.
1.Richardson is not that much (if at all) better than Redick, meaning he has very little value to the Magic.
2.Saying expiring contracts have no value is insane. Jeff Green’s expiring got Kendrick Perkins.
3. It’s true that the Magic don’t have picks, but they do have some assets that could be packaged with J-Rich and net a very good player and a bad contract.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Random example
J-Rich and rights to Vazquez for Curry and Biedrins. Those are the kind of deals a decent GM would make.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Please explain why trading redundant players for good players and a bad contract on a team way over the cap is a bad idea.
That’s the only way you function when over the cap.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Please explain to me
why Golden State would trade their best young player — PLUS a valuable big man — for an expiring contract. If they wanted to give away Biedrins, they could probably find someone to just take him.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
I'm not sure what NBA you guys follow, but those deals happen all the time.
Gerald Wallace just got traded for two worthless picks and an expiring.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
No. The Cavs effectively paid $12 million for one in agreeing to take on Baron Davis
$3 million is the most money that can change hands in an NBA transaction, so when picks are bought/sold, that’s the figure you see. Sometimes, second-round picks command $3 million.
For an unprotected lottery pick?
Kevin Pelton did an analysis
That the difference between what you pay an average 8th pick, and the “value added”, is about $15m, implying that’s the value you should have to pay to acquire one.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
First round draft picks are not worthless. Pryzbilla is a solid player.
The Bobcats are not a good team, and can’t afford to pay a player $11mil per year when they are not winning games.
1.Late first round picks are not worth much,
2. Richardson is worth more than Pryzbilla
3. Golden State is in an identical financial situation as Charlotte.
4. Most importantly, I was laying out an example of a trade, if you want to argue that we should instead be making deals with the likes of Charlotte, be my guest.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yet another example
Zach Randolph who advanced metrics may say is slightly overrated, but who nonetheless is considered very valuable around the league is considered for an expiring and the utterly replaceable Bass.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Zach Randolph is not better than whatever Jason Richardson and Brandon Bass would give us in the playoffs this year. If we got another player, like Tony Allen, it might be worth it.
Pointless speculation at this point is worthless. The deadline is passed. The team we have now, plus whoever we might pick up in buyout season is good enough to win the championship. It’s a crapshoot after that.
The point is.
Regardless of what you and Evan are saying, good players (players who are consiered to have significant value) are available, and the Magic have the pieces and financial ability to do it.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Grizz owner joked today the only player he would have accepted for Zach Randolph is LeBron James
They weren’t trading him.
I don't know where to begin.
Of course he says they’re never going to trade him after they don’t trade him. And if you actually for God know’s what reason take him at his word, you would be believing they wouldn’t trade him for Chris Paul or Kevin Durant.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Jason Richardson is beyond compare.
There is literally not one player who could be included in a deal with Richardson who could ever be better than him, or provide more value to the team. I agree.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
How many teams want out of bad contracts?
Do you think the Warriors would like to get rid of Biedrins, the 76’s of Brand, the Bobcats of Diop, Denver of Al Harrington,…… They want out of those contracts terribly. You can package Richardson and some of Orlando’s other goods for players like that and get very good players with them. Look at the Clippers they just gave away an unprotected lottery pick( worth a ton) just to get out of Baron Davis’ contract.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Jason Richardson is better than Brand, Diop, Harrington.
Why on earth would you want to trade for another AWFUL contract when there are already way too many awful contracts already on the team?
We aren’t getting Igoudala + Brand for just JRich. No one on the bobcats is worth trading for, no one on the Nuggets is worth trading for.
Jesus Christ
You’re not trading for Al Harrington, you’re taking on his contract in order to get a good player like Ty Lawson. The fact that we already have bad contracts on the team is precisely why you do it. We’re guaranteed no cap room for the next 3 or four years, so we can afford bad contracts for the next 3 or 4 years in order to improve our team. This should not be a difficult concept!
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Oh my God.
No, I want to operate like the Lakers and every other team over the cap operates in order to get better. We have no cap room for the next four years taking on bad contracts that are 4 years in length in no way exacerbates the problem.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
i'm in no way a basketball guru...hence why i mostly just READ this site.
I only know what I can trade for in 2k11…oh yeah and that any trade that involves bringing IN al harrington is a bad deal…
I really don't get why this is so hard to understand(no offense)
This is the way the league has operated for years. You and Evan both laughed at them giving up Curry to get out from under a contract, but just the other day the Clippers gave up say Kyrie Irving to get out of a contract. The Clippers didn’t even get out of it completely they just took a slightly less horrible contract.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
No kidding.
That’s what teams do, that’s my entire point.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
That's what one specific team did.
And they did it with a draft pick, not a player.
Yes, we could have gotten Baron Davis and his horrible contract for Richardson, and maybe landed a draft pick in the future when it doesn’t matter. But then who plays SG?
We could have gotten a marginally valuable piece like Lawson — a backup PG who might be able to start some day, maybe, who knows? — in exchange for opening a gaping hole in our rotation at SG.
We could have done a LOT of dumb things.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
Ok
We could have gotten even more than an unprotected lottery pick for Richardson as that’s what the Cavaliers got for half of what we would give. I recommend you look at how valuable that is. Also, you are really underestimating Lawson who is one of the most efficient PG’s in the league, but that is neither here nor there as he is just an example.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Lawson is indeed an efficient scorer.
I haven’t seen anything from him to suggest he can run an offense, though.
As a rich man’s Eddie House, a guy who can come off the bench, make shots, and keep the offense from disintegrating? Sure. That’s a good player to have. But as a starter… that’s a gamble. The kind of gamble a rebuilding team most likely loves, but not the kind of gamble a contender replaces their established PG for.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
I really don't know what to say.
Lawson is a more efficient scorer and better defender than Jameer is already ,and as far as running an offense Denver has the highest offensive rating in the NBA, so I doubt he’s terrible at that. Add in the fact that Denver wanted him to start over Billups and Felton, and I think it’s safe to say he’s a good player.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
He might well be one.
But I’d want to see him do it before passing any judgment.
Right now we have a guy who’s averaging 3.8 assists in 24 minutes. And it’s not an offense like Orlando’s, where it’s tough to rack up assist numbers. Yeah, I know that some of that is playing alongside Billups, but do you know how much? No, neither do I.
Do you know whether he can keep plays in line, as opposed to just passing? No, neither do I.
Lawson is promising, I’ll give you that — but he’s unproven.
And if the Nuggets want him to start over Felton, and see him as their PG of the future, they probably weren’t going to trade him anyway.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
Lawson has a lower assist rate than Nelson
He’s a better shooter at the moment, sure, but over his career, Nelson has posted highs similar to what Lawson’s posting. Nelson’s just in a slump.
As for defense…not sure anybody can look at the Nuggets and tell me someone on that team is a great defender – and Lawson has the second worst defensive rating of anyone on the Nuggets.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Your point is redundant
Curry isn’t a horrible contract, he’s a fantastic player on a good contract. Why would the Warriors give him up?
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
You're not reading properly or understanding the word redundant apparently
Biedrins is a horrible contract not Curry, never said otherwise.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
No
I’m using it correctly.
Saying the Warriors would give up on Curry to get rid of Biedrins is a bit like saying the Clippers would have traded Gordon to move Davis.
The Warriors would never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, give away Curry to dodge a bad contract, unless they were getting a lot more than an expiring contract back.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
You would be correct if
1. Curry were as good as Gordon
2. Trading a 14.5 milllion dollar contract for an 8.5 was equivalent to a 10 million dollar contract for an expiring were equivalent.
3. I said only Richardson would be involved
4. Curry was worth significantly more than an unprotected lottery pick.
Unfortunately, none of those things are correct.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Gordon is a much better player than Curry.
Gordon pts per play 1.03
Curry pts per play 1.00
Gordon is an average defender Curry is below average, and they’re the same age. How do you figure Curry is better than Gordon.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Curry has a higher true shooting percentage, shoots a better percentage from the field, from three point land, and from the ft line.
Curry’s assist/TO ratio is better, and he averages more rebounds and more steals. Gordon is a better defender, but that is the only thing he does better than Curry. I think if Monta Ellis wasn’t in Golden State, Curry could become Steve Nash-lite.
I like Curry,
but they’re TS% are about identical, and Gordon does it while using a much higher percentage of his team’s possessions. That is a huge consideration. Gordon’s defense is also significantly better. Curry would fit our team like a glove though.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
And for good measure
5. If the owner of the Clippers publicly stated he wouldn’t be opposed to trading Gordon.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
And also
6. I don’t see you folks agreeing on this thread at any point, or even agreeing to disagree. Prove me wrong. :)
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
No one should be.
Cockamamie trade ideas that would never be entertained by the other party can’t be “proved” wrong. They simply are. If you’re incapable of seeing that no GM who wants to keep his job would trade Curry + bad contract for Expiring + other trash, then there’s nothing that can really be said.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Jeff Green is only expiring if Boston doesn't give him a qualifying offer.
Speculation is that Boston didn’t think tehy were going to be able to resign Perkins this summer, so they wanted to get some value out of him. It is a horrible trade for Boston, but they do get a future first round pick out of it, as well as a solid player in Green. It does not help them whatsoever this season though.
Green's expiring ine for Perkin's expiring and demand for $10 mil a year for 5 years.
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Feb 24, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
The only trade Otis Smith could've made to improve the Magic would have to include Gilbert Arenas.
Anybody who could pull such dark wizardry trade deserves a medal #ErnieGrunfeld
Gilbert honestly isn't a bad backup PG
but obviously his salary is outrageous.
Remember back when were irritated to think Rashard Lewis might better serve the Magic coming off the bench? With his contract?
Think for a second about how much worse this situation with Arenas is. Take your time.
we don't have a need for PF depth
PG depth due to Duhons lack of any skill, made it make sense.
This is like, hey, car's in the shop
so lets go buy an old Ferrari somebody set fire to and killed a homeless guy in, but we’ll pay full price.
Who needs a rental?
more like we traded that Ferrari you're talking about
for the same exact Ferrari in a different color.
For the same money for one more year.
You can complain about this starting summer 2013, and ending summer 2014. Deal?
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
No, Gilbert Arenas is
Slow off the dribble.
Can no longer jump or make explosive movements.
Pass accurately.
Shoot accurately.
Will not put in work at the gym.
Also, has failed to recover from what appears to be a career-ending (for all intents and purposes) knee injury. (emphasis on FAILED).
Knee injuries can take time.
Look at Elton Brand — came back last year with weak legs, was disastrous. Now — somewhat better. Still not what he was before the injury, but he’s contributing.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
Arenas
Had his surgeries before Brand, didn’t he?
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
A false dilemma (also called false dichotomy, the either-or fallacy, fallacy of false choice, black and white thinking or the fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses) is a type of logical fallacy that involves a situation in which only two alternatives are considered, when in fact there are additional options.
should have kept J-Will but otis wanted to make room for his one legged child
by MagicMichael on Feb 24, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
There were/are plenty of passable free agent PGs around.
Or lesser trades we could have made. You don’t trade for the worst contract in the NBA to fill a backup role.
that wasn't the point
the point is the only options at back up for our team are Arenas and Duhon and I asked if you two prefer Duhon.
If we don't have Arenas
Maybe we trade for Brooks or Hinrich or, I dunno, Baron Davis. Anyone but Arenas.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
after hearing howards post-game words
man how are we gonna better. if guys aren’t playing right we lose.some of u don’t seem to get it. how could we have traded people if they outright sucked. unless they start playing right. we also have good players. but don’t seem to be playing them.we are doing the same thing since we started losing. playing the same 8 guys over and over and over and over again. no D at all. we still have q-rich for D and clark ( who aren’t up to some of your standards) plays pretty well. at this point i really don’t know if arena’s is gonna get any better then this. but it’s better off having him then duhon on the floor.what else is left for us to do. besides talk about how great we could have been if we did make the right trades. this team needs to not only shoot well but play d-fence. Man
Saw a lot of players change teams including some big men that we really could use.
But I believe my fears were correct in thinking that Otis was nowhere near his phone and hasn’t been since the Arenas, J-Rich, Turk trades.
I don’t think Otis works the phones. I don’t think he shops around. I don’t think he has discussions with other GM’s. He’s so oddly quiet, reserved and almost shy that I think a lot of opportunities just slip by. I think that’s part of the reason he only seems to chase former GS players that he got to know while he was there. It’s all very odd and really makes no sense.
Otis needs to go. He made a few positive moves and many bad ones but either way, whatever mojo he had is gone now and it’s time for us to head in a new direction.
That was my fairly rational side thinking… Here’s a lil tidbit from my irrational side…
Anybody already sick and tired of the “Dwight is leaving talk”??? And do you feel even worse about it when Dwight makes comments like “For now, I’m in Orlando, and while I’m here I’m going to try to bring a championship back there”. That’s a politically correct way of saying “I’ll try to hook yall up with a ring before I dip out”.
Well how about this… lets trade him as soon as possible. Find someone willing to give us a few young studs and some quality picks and lets “break up with Dwight before he breaks up with us”. It’s a strategy I’ve used with a few girlfriends and it always leaves you feeling like you won the game. So lets end the media fest that has already begun early and ship this guy out as soon as we can. Get the best deal we can for him and set ourselves up for a quick rebuild. It’s crazy sure, but it just might save us some massive media related headaches and the pain of having to hear “Orlando was really good to me but it’s time for me to move on”.
Crushing weaker minds since 1978
Over 1 million served.
No. We can't sell tickets to the new arena without our franchise player.
We are not Utah, where people seem to care about the team more than any particular player on it.
Talk about trading Dwight is crazy.
by Hoop Dreams 2 on Feb 24, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Realistically
The team isn’t going to be great for the entirety of the arenas’ life – sooner or later the Magic are going to have a down period. That will be accounted for in the financial projections.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'd think the projections include the team being great as long as Dwight is here.
I think those projections also assume (at the time the deal was struck) Dwight re-signs. Bear in mind this all happened pre-“Decision.”
I honestly can’t understand some people’s hysterics of “Trade him now and get some value.”
Really? The best center in the league? Gotta roll the dice on that one, man.
I’m sure there’s a lot going on behind the scenes. It could go either way. But let’s not push Dwight out the door out of fear.
by Hoop Dreams 2 on Feb 25, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
If the Amway Center had not been built, we would be the Kansas City Magic now.
The building saved the franchise with or without Dwight.
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Feb 25, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Probably
But nobody as smart as the DeVos clan plans a $400m investment without being careful with their numbers.
The arenas doesn’t need Dwight. The Magic don’t need Dwight. Yeah, Orlando will suck for a bit if he leaves but that too will pass.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 25, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Id rather see Q-Rich out there than J-Rich
at least Q plays Defense and he can miss shots just as good as J-Rich can LOL
i feel you
we have enough scorers, not enough defenders.
Q-Rich
Is shooting 29% on three pointers, which is why he’s been yanked from the lineup.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Nash only has two years on his contract
So he expires in 2012. Bass and Nelson for him. Plus a first round and a couple of second round. They just got Aaron Brooks. I am just saying.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/592/steve-nash
Nash is still a beast.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Trade deaadline just passed, y'all.
Let’s stop with the trade speculation now.
It’s buyout season.
by Hoop Dreams 2 on Feb 24, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
No more trade talks what are we gonna do with ourselves
I guess start the Dwight is leaving forum
The painful truth is we are in a huge state of flux right now, with growing potential for a tragic ending.
Who are our core guys right now?
The Magic have devolved into a situation where there is Dwight Howard, and then everybody else. Jameer Nelson, for whatever reason, is no longer an All Star PG. Turk is not the Turk of 2009, by a long shot.
I mean who do we have? What role do they fill? There is no team chemistry. Things have been shaken up one too many times, and the final shake drastically weakened our position to retain Dwight Howard.
Stop acting like Otis Smith could have made a trade to turn things around. The Magic have bigger problems that need to be solved internally.
Give it time
The Spurs kinda sucked last year.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
all we can hope for
is that Otis has assembled this team in order to have a large number of attractive players for a sign and trade involving a CP3ish type.
ESPN Daily Dime when asked about Troy Murphy
WindhorstESPN: Talks stalled today but also look for Cavs-Warriors to rekindle things after season. There’s some pieces both are interested in
Buy-out
Celts trading Erden and Harongody opens up 2 roster spots. They will be able to offer Murphy (should he receive a buy-out) much more playing time than we can. Murphy could start for the C’s until Shaq comes back. I am hoping Tayshaun gets bought out and we land him. He would be perfect to help our defense out
Im just wondering
If we would have kept gortat do yall think we could’ve traded for gerald wallace???
if we would have kept Gortat we could have got D. Williams or some other great player
anything better than the BUMS we did get
by MagicMichael on Feb 24, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Back to square one in 2013
I will say this though we can get some really cheap season tixs when we stink
by MagicMichael on Feb 24, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In that case
Celtics and Knicks can thank their GM for LESS than nothing.
I’d rather stand pat with a team that sometimes looks like it can win a title than actively weaken the team with a bad trade.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
can you not offer picks from future drafts?
by MagicMichael on Feb 24, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Can't trade the picks of 2 years in a row
So the first pick the Magic could offer was 2013.
The plural of "anecdote" isn't "data."
Ok If Owners want a hard cap
Then they have to able to cut players. Players can fight tooth and nail all they want, but they are going to lose because 90% of them are stupid and pay half their salaries on extravagent lifestyles and child support. I would rather be able to cut salaries than have a franchise tag. Just my opinion.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Well, we have two SGs better than Lee right now, Pietrus’ refusal to pass brought the offense to a halt whenever he was on the court, and Gortat…
…well, you’ve got me there. He was overpaid for what he did, because we couldn’t play him as much as his talent deserved, but he was damn good too.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
I think Pietrus passed just as much as Bass does.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
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by slickw143 on Feb 24, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
lol. Rec'd.
Im down with OPP, yeah you know me!
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
Yep.
That’s why he had to go — you couldn’t play him with Bass. Magic basically had to play 3-on-5 with that lineup.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
It would be nice to still have Gortat...
…actually, it would’ve been nicer if we got a better deal for him. Thought he was worth a little more to a team like Houston (who apparently was trying to acquire him before the deadline in the Aaron Brooks deal)
Im down with OPP, yeah you know me!
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
We need to go after CP3...
….if we want to keep Dwight Eisenhoward, our general and fearless leader, we need to surround him with not only exceptional role players but with another all-star caliber player. It’s time for Otis to start making some serious moves. I know he “likes” our team, but somethings need to change.
Why?
Also: how?
The only teams with multiple stars that don’t also have serious lineup flaws are Boston and LA. And Boston just got awfully thin at center, and the Lakers have always been VERY thin at PG. (And Dwight is better than anyone the Celtics have anyway. Possibly even better than anyone the Lakers have at this point.)
The Magic don’t need to be repeating the mistakes of teams like New York, who mortgage their entire future for second-tier “stars”. (Not that there’s anything second-tier about Paul in particular.) Even Miami isn’t an unqualified success so far, and they have the league’s best player plus another top-5 guy.
Anyway, there’s no way the Hornets are trading Paul until it becomes unavoidable and/or until they have a new owner. And it’s tough to imagine the Magic putting together a package that would interest a rebuilding team, especially without gutting the entire roster.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
Arenas for Chris Paul! Straight-up!
If there is a man that can sell the notion that Arenas is one of the best players in the NBA and why the Hornets NEED Arenas instead of CP3, that man is Otis Smith! In fact he could offer Arenas and Nelson to NOLA, 2 PGs for the price of 1, what a steal!
;-)
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Caracas, Venezuela.
by North of the South on Feb 24, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
If Orlando could get Chris Paul
Chris Paul would be in Orlando. Orlando can’t get Chris Paul. Not now. Not in the near future.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Orlando is never getting Chris Paul
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Celtics blog quote
From celticsblog.com, Jeff Clark: “Troy Murphy goes from being a nice-to-get guy to being near-critical to get”
This might complicate things.
he wasnt for sure coming here anyways
them getting him isnt really a big deal because he isn’t really that special of a player
He'd be a nice fit here.
But basically, there will be multiple insurance-level big men who will get bought out. Someone will land with the Magic. No problem.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
I think we did a right decision not to make any hasty moves today.
With exception of OKC, no team really improved today, and Celtics arguably just got worse. I really think we just need to build our team chemistry and we’ll be alright come playoff time. I suppose, picking someone like Murphy wouldn’t hurt either, but I don’t think it all that crucial anymore.
Hollinger writes that he thinks the Celtics view the Heat and Spurs instead of Lakers and Magic.
Make sense. Unless they play Orlando second round. Then they would be screwed.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
That's just what I was thinking.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
They should have left their team the way it was.
Trusting the 2 Oneals, a rookie, and a pf/c from buyout is pretty dumb.
by Memphissleek on Feb 24, 2011 7:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know that OKC even got better.
I mean, it depends on how healthy Perkins is.
You could say they’re making room for Ibaka to play a full game, which would make sense… but really, they’ve been giving 20 minutes a game to Nick Collison, so the time was there. This trade doesn’t change that.
Might even make it worse, unless they feel someone like Mullens is ready for PT. I mean, who’s their C/PF rotation behind Perkins and Ibaka (and Collison, which is bad enough?)
And as much as I don’t like Green, he was a part of the offense. A relatively ineffective part, but now they have to make adjustments.
I mean, this is a good deal for the Thunder in the long run, probably. But right now, it raises some questions.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
It definitely gives them one more solid player.
But where are Green’s shots going to go? Can Durant do more? Do the Thunder even want Westbrook taking the few shots he’s been passing up this season?
If Perkins is healthy AND Harden can step up to become a viable third option, or something along those lines, okay. But right now, they have two guys who are much more than 10-12 PPG scorers. And only one guy who gets his more-than-12 efficiently.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
They also got Nazr Mohammed.
Not that he is a difference maker, but it certainly gives them that much needed depth at center position that they didn’t have before. And they are much better with Perkins and Ibaka starting at centers position than they were with Krstic and Green. Period.
Oh.
Forgot about Mohammed.
Like, not that they traded for him. That he existed.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
You're not sure if OKC got better by adding Perkins?
He’s their biggest missing piece. They got waaaay better, and in a hurry.
Still have Cole Aldrich developing(?). Nick Collison is a very nice player. Nazr Mohammed is a great piece if he’s just insurance. This team is deep at the 4/5.
Lakers must have people thinking every team can roll out a 4/5 trio of Bynum, Gasol, Odom.
by Hoop Dreams 2 on Feb 25, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
I feel like they played the kings game
with something on there mind… maybe worried of being traded or blowing it and giving howard reasons to leave. With so much going on its possible their minds were elsewhere.
I think Otis might be thinking very differently from most of us.
We’re all looking at winning the next game, and then the next. We’re thinking about getting to the finals this year and, most of all, keeping Howard.
What if Otis and his team are looking at a different picture? A canceled 2012 season comes to mind. The fallout of the CBA and what that means for the renewed 2013 season. I wonder if the front office is focusing more on this year or on the future? They have more inside-basketball knowledge on where the league might go with contracts and salaries than anyone else, following the new CBA.
What I can’t figure out is, how they might be possibly laying the ground work for a big deal next year or the year after (given that next year may be canceled or shortened).
That no trades were made could be an indicator of a larger strategy.
A year ago, lots of people tagged their posts with “in Otis we trust” but now we see a lot of Otis haters. Fans want instant gratification. I’ve always thought of Otis as a chess player. He keeps everything close to his vest.
Chess is a slow game, and hard to appreciate when you want to win right now. I’m not off the Otis bandwagon. I want to wait this out.
I jumped off the "Otis bandwagon" after he made short-sighted trades, wrecking our financial flexibility.
I happily saluted everyone else who remained on it after hearing him repeatedly talk about why he traded for Arenas, citing the fact he’s a “sleeping giant” and “a cool dude”. I don’t support anyone who makes trades affecting the future of a franchise based on personal relationships.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
And this matters why?
If you want to complain about the Rashard-Arenas trade “wrecking our financial flexibility,” you can start in two and a half years. Until then, there’s no difference.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
I don't understand that statement at all.
So there’s no reason to criticize anything? There’s no reason to dislike someone’s performance at their job in a public setting that affects a future of a franchise? You’re right, everyone can just shutup and live in a world of mute leprechauns and unicorns.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Until summer 2013, the Magic’s financial flexibility is exactly the same as it was before the trade, i.e. nonexistent. Arenas’ contract is exactly the same as Lewis’ contract, just one year longer.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
by 3.3seconds on Feb 24, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Right, instead of Lewis' expiring when Dwight can opt out...
We have Arenas’ contract on the books for another year. Instead of shedding $20 million in payroll, we’ll have to deal with another $20 million for a worse player… while also paying for Hedo’s bad contract. The bad contract that we all knew was bad two years ago.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Gee, I did not know it was your money.
And Lewis is guaranteed 10 mill int 2012 and likely will qualify for 17 mil that year. Neither Gil nor Rashard help with Dwight.
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
Hello, handsome, is that a ten-gallon hat or are you just enjoying the show?
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Feb 24, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone who pays money for tickets can say something.
And I misunderstood Rashard’s contract, but at the very least, he could’ve been bought out. That would save $10+ million, plus the luxury tax on top of that (or whatever system is in place by then). Even if we didn’t buy him out, he would’ve been a huge expiring contract that year. As a pitch to Dwight when it comes to continuing to have a team around him, what would you rather have? The largest expiring contract in the league that year, or Arenas for another year beyond that?
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Rashard would have met his "performance goal" and been paid $17 mil.
Until the DeVos’ start caring about salaries, it does not matter very much. Deals can be made in many ways. You can say what you want, but it is not your money and the owner has final say, not the fans.
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
Hello, handsome, is that a ten-gallon hat or are you just enjoying the show?
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Feb 25, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
You're really childlish--not to say something worse--if you really think that DeVos' don't care about their expenses.
And while they do have the final say on this subject, it is not like they gonna listen to you, me or anyone else here for that matter, so why do you keep emphasizing the obvious? Aren’t we all entitled to an opinion or is it just you who have a right to one? My opinion, in an example—as well as opinion of majority of truly concerned fans, I would say—is that the less of DeVos money goes to waste the better for Orlando Magic.
I am bored with people saying the same thing over and over and over and over and over. Until the new CBA is settled none of it matters.
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
Hello, handsome, is that a ten-gallon hat or are you just enjoying the show?
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Feb 25, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
How do you know his trades were short-sighted?
If they were made to facilitate something better down the road, we can’t see that yet.
You may be right on the money, but Otis doesn’t tell us what the long-term plan is, so I’m not so sure any of this is short-sighted. He did say he might sacrifice some short-term pain for long-term gains…right before the Arenas trade.
We have no long-term assets.
Unless Bass or Anderson develop into an All-Star player. Or unless Otis’ “long-term plan” is to do what Utah just did. I don’t like banking on either plan.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
JJ is a great long term asset.
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
Hello, handsome, is that a ten-gallon hat or are you just enjoying the show?
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Feb 24, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
These analysts on TNT/NBA TV/ESPN putting the Knicks ahead of the Magic are really really stupid.
I’ve heard it from no less than 5 guys in the last couple days.
They love star power. Screw them.
Kenny Smith said the same thing months ago before we took the Knicks out to the woodshed. The media wants any reason to hype the Knicks. Whatever.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
I predict a disgruntled Amare...
by Memphissleek on Feb 24, 2011 7:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Knicks hype sells.
I know it was one game. (And I can’t say too much given what happened to the Magic last night.) But I feel like what we saw from Melo last night — 27 points on 25 shots and 7 FTs — is likely to be pretty much par for the course on that depleted team. The Knicks can’t win with that. Maybe at home against the Bucks, but not in general.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
It's not the number so much as the percentage.
They’re just lucky Billups drew 12 FTs and Toney Douglas shot 10-12. If those things keep happening, the Knicks are set.
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
by 3.3seconds on Feb 24, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's good timing for them they had the Bucks to play...
we had the Hawks, Spurs, Celtics when we did our massive trade
Depends. A lot of teams made moves. The Magic stayed the same.
As predicted there wasn’t much the Magic could do.
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Caracas, Venezuela.
by North of the South on Feb 24, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I meant the Magic lol
everyone else in the league seemed to move somebody, though, sheesh
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'm Feeling good about landing CP3 or Deron Williams to Join us 2012 rather people asumming Dwight's more likely to leave!
Since its Trade talks, and one of the topics in recent weeks and months has been the prospect of Dwight leaving. Just felt like putting in my two sense in, First the playoffs should be very exciting, and definitely has gotten tougher. But even if we aren’t successful this season, and everybody will be hyping up the prospect that “Oh man, Dwight is going to leave!”. I think it will be more likely, that will pick up Deron Williams or CP3, either in a trade deal or free agency. Teams do not want to let go of their star players for nothing anymore, and the star calibers players want to go to a real contending team. If anything this season has proved is that Dwight is without a doubt the Lebron James equivalent for this team! He is single reason why we are a 4th seed. Ya Miami is 3rd…with 3 all-stars, Boston…nuff said. We have a very good bench, the bench is not the problem. Its the Starters other than Dwight!
I do not like assuming whats in another guys heart or mind, but I think Dwight really likes Orlando, and wants to be the first one to bring a championship to this city. He knows the history with Shaq. People talk about larger market of LA and New York, but he is not going to be making a movie during the NBA season so…..what? He’ll enjoy having the extra press? He came in second after Kobe in All Star Votes, I think his Super Stardom is pretty good. Can he leave? Sure. But I think this is a chess game and look for one of those All Star point guards to join us instead around 2012! If that happens….Look out!
Orlando can't sign anyone in 2012 free agency
No cap room.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
I don't understand the Boston trade
Were they just saving money? A look to the future? Because Jeff Green is meh. I guess Krstic is a decent backup, but there goes their best Howard defender. Doesn’t really make sense, unless they know something about Perkins’ knee that we don’t.
Hollinger says that Ainge might be thinking more about Spurs and Miami than Lakers and Magic.
and Perk has health issues. Well, at least that’s what I could gather from all the whining at Celtics Blog. :P
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Caracas, Venezuela.
by North of the South on Feb 24, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
yeah perhaps. Still... Jeff Green.. and Krstic? Did they also get rid of Nate Robinson?
More than anything they did OKC a favor. They got older too… :S
Nate Robinson is gone too. Apparently he was horrible, and no one cares that he isn´t there anymore.
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Caracas, Venezuela.
by North of the South on Feb 24, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
I've read a lot of reports
That he was popular in the locker room and with the coaches.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe they thought that by helping the Thunder, they could eliminate the Lakers before the Finals?
I mean Lakers have to go through 1 or 2 among Spurs, Mavs and Thunder. This year it’s not as clear as years before, that the Lakers will win the West.
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Caracas, Venezuela.
by North of the South on Feb 24, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
I guess Dwight getting 40/20/5 against the Celtics just got a lot easier?
Not that it matters – the others in the team will probably shoot 30% and commit 20 turnovers….
I was gonna write something along those lines.
Without Perking Dwight could have a field day with Boston’s interior defense… BUT if Jason Richardson is gonna average 8 points a game, Turkoglu appear once every 3 games, Nelson just blend in to the background, and Arenas, well… be himself, then, who cares?
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Caracas, Venezuela.
by North of the South on Feb 24, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
There's always the possibility that Ainge was playing quarters with another GM and just got over-excited.
Screw it! Perkins! Gone! You gotta take two drinks now!!
lol
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Caracas, Venezuela.
by North of the South on Feb 24, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Boston will be really OLD by then. Unless they can steal Paul too.
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Caracas, Venezuela.
by North of the South on Feb 24, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
They have a smart GM.
And their stars are mostly older players who were happy to play on short deals as long as they were paid well.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
It's kind of scary how Even jumps in every now and then and just....I don't know...chucks a nightmare at you.
Just when you think your post is safe…here comes ED and you have to second guess all that you believe.
It looks innocent for a second. “Only players on the books then are Rondo and Old Pierce.”
Now I have to research the entire future contract setup for Boston to see what he’s hinting at.
Chicago isn't doing too hot against Miami
every time they get close, Miami pulls away. Close game now, though…
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'course they lead as soon as I type that
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
They're up goin' into the fourth.
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
finally got some fight in 'em!
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
But they're not going to win on possessions like that.
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
I hate Reggie Miller as a commentator.
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
everyone hates Reggie Miller as a commenter
Reggie Miller hates Reggie Miller as a commenter
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
I always figured him for a lot of self-hate.
It’s those ears. Just terrible.
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
"I can fly!"
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Trade Hype
Pretty disapointing today that we didn’t upgrade the front court. Now we are a team full of guards, great dandy while the East gets richer.
I have to say being a die hard Magic fan with a team that is in the 4th spot in the East which is the toughest I feel pathetic rying about the team. I think about this, the Thundder pretty much have the same record, albeit we can’t be beat a above 500 teams but you don’t see anybody crying that the Thunder are a terrible team, I agree with everyone on the threads we needed a move but talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place, semi finals at best , ecstatic with a conference finals apearance
by OrlandoTragic11 on Feb 24, 2011 10:01 PM EST reply actions
Boston got weaker.
They are basically a bunch of wings now as well. This is the new NBA.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
new CBA?
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
We "can't beat above .500 teams"?
We beat Boston. We beat the Spurs. We beat the Lakers by 15 three games ago. How short IS your memory?
Bass and sharks are BOTH fish.
can't believe how good the Bulls are this year
imagine what they could’ve been like if they hadn’t had VDN as their coach for so long…
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Yar. It boggles the mind.
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
probably not that much better. They added a lot this year
Arenas needs to hurry up and shoot himself (out of this slump).
true, but I think they could have given Boston even more of a headache
in 09
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
lol all other Heat players besides Wade and James are 0-7 in the 2nd half
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Things are getting a little loosey-goosey, here.
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
missed layup, missed dunk, missed blinking...
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Man, listen to the crowd. Chicago knows basketball.
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
Miami--and by Miami I mean Wade and James--get away with soooo many walks
it’s ridiculous
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My wife just said, "that wasn't traveling?"
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
that's what she said
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
uh, yeah. it was. :)
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
the first time that joke actually applies to the situation! \o/
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
It's internet history!!
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
Reggie Miller: "And that's Lebron James, just being a grown man . . . "
Thanks for the cogent insight into the basketball game, friend.
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
he's dumb as rocks
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
lulz
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I'd really like to get the album by that "four kinds of steak" Taco Bell guy. He's pretty good.
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
I want steak
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
lmfao
my favorite is the “forever a scone” though
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
That doesn't work for Australians
We pronounce “scone” with a flat “oh” sound, as an “on”.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but you have to sound like Americans
So, y’know, it all evens up.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, you can take that digeridoo and shove it . . .
(kid)
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
I would
Except we call them prawns, ya drongo.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
oh snap!
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
fookin prawns!
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
They'd fry up right nice they would
Plenty of meat on them big ones.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Suddenly I am hearing your comments in an Aussie accent
and that just blew my mind.
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
you didn't know?
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
I did.
But I never heard him with an accent before. Now it will probably never stop.
No one else here has a distinctive accent, do they? I mean, let’s get this over with now.
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
mine's kind of Southern
with a hint of Elmer Fudd. I have a speech impediment ( ._.)
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Aaaaaand, now I am hearing you that way.
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
success!
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
just don't ask me to say "World War II" 5 times in a row :|
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
There's a guy from Germany
I think he’s actually an ex-pat murrikan, but I still imagine him with a comically exaggerated German accent.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Like Hogan's Heroes Colonel Klink or something? lol
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
Probably
I’ve never seen Hogan’s Heroes, but how many ways can there be to do a fake German accent?
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
yeah! go pahk the cah in Havahd yahd!
wait…
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Murikka! F*** yeah!
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
ohhh right right lol
that’s a shame haha
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
1 pt game. The entire Bulls versus LeWade.
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
And now it's the "anytime LeBron or Wade goes to the basket they are getting fouled" portion of the show . . .
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
everyone's favorite time!!
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Reggie's drooling at two grown men
Doin’ work.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
ewww
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Could be worse
He could be drooling on two grown men doin’ work.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
you're evil
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
then we shall mate
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
no no
you read it right
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
oh........i didnt read teh comment chain
I thought you were referring to him as mate (Australian)
I don't forget commas
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure the world
Could handle that much evil.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
pfff
we’ll see. We’ll see.
So when’s good for you
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
kickass
you’ll know when I contact you
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently those two can play basketball
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I think I read that somewhere.
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
so earlier in the game, Bosh flopped EPICALLY
like…unbelievable. He feigned getting hit on the nose and flailed backwards. It was awful, especially in slo-mo.
He went to the line.
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didn't look like it to me
buuuut it couldn’t have been the angle.
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
aim for the stars!
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone find it ironic that Reggie is calling the leg-kick out a good foul call?
I mean, I know it was legal when he was doing it, but still . . .
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
Go to bed. It's almost 10:30 there, right?
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
need to stay up just a little longer
my kids have an essay due tomorrow and they’ve been swamping me with emails. I need to stay up to answer any last minute freak outs.
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Ah. I get those around mid-terms.
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
yeah, this week was midterms
though I didn’t give them one. Just an essay assignment.
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Here I fixed it for you.
Bosh is AWFUL tonight
lol thanks
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
yet we find it necessary to double him :(
Arenas needs to hurry up and shoot himself (out of this slump).
he plays great against us...
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Bosh is ful?
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
ahhhhh haha gotcha
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
He's not awful
He’s All Star who just wants to chill.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
lmao +1
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Wow. Bosh ain't just cold. He's arctic.
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
he's Hothian
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
his type of intensity is one I really like
as opposed to Garnett’s craziness
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Wow. Dwade is the king of "that shot will never go . . . what the %^&%*?"
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
Other than Orlando,
who would you guys like to see win it. I’m thinking Thunder, Bulls, or Spurs in some order.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 10:41 PM EST reply actions
Spurs for the lulz
Bulls b/c I actually like them
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
I like the Thunder
But until the Sonics are back in Seattle, I don’t want the Zombie Sonics winning anything.
Probably the Spurs.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Spurs, cause it's more likely.
But I’d like to see someone new win it all, so: Thunder.
Magic Fan since the 1992-1993 Season.
Caracas, Venezuela.
by North of the South on Feb 24, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Mavs versus Bulls. Mavs finally get in done in 7.
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
yeah, I
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
dammit
I didn’t mean to hijack it with the Bulls game comments
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by TheGiantSquid on Feb 24, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see us ever being title favorites in the eyes of the media. even if we win a title.
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
by Redfield on Feb 24, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Come on guys we're a fourth or fifth seed in the East.
No media conspiracy.
by internet commenter on Feb 24, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
You can't take away my misplaced sense of lack of respect with logic.
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
We can beat any team in a series if we play well enough. Anyone.
These “analysts” who get paid a hell of a lot of money to give their opinion think that Orlando is worse than the KNICKS.
None of them particularly have brains. Very few actually have reasoned arguments for their opinions.
Most of them
Probably get their opinions from their producer.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
I can't take seriously the man that thought pairing Nash with Shaq was a good idea.
Magic Fan since the 1992-1993 Season.
Caracas, Venezuela.
by North of the South on Feb 24, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think that was one of those
Moves you make because it’s a move you can make, rather than a move you make because you think it’s going to be brilliant.
Steve Kerr’s a very astute basketball analyst.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 24, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
That's all for me. Sweet dreams to all.
I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
Celtics, no wait, Nuggets fan
Watching the very end of the Celts Nugs game a guy in the front row rips off his Garnett jersey and Celtics hat and starts cheering for the Nugs. Gotta love those “die-hard” Celtics fans who bleed green.
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