The Orlando Magic Could Not Have Traded for Deron Williams
The New Jersey Nets traded for Deron Williams Wednesday morning, shocking the NBA community in nabbing the star point guard from the Utah Jazz. Williams, who won't turn 27 until June, ranks among the league's best point guards. An All-Star in each of the last two seasons, Williams is averaging 20.2 points and 9.2 assists this season, and the Nets landed him for rookie power forward Derrick Favors, veteran point guard Devin Harris, and two future first-round draft choices.
Once word of the trade spread, Magic fans inundated me, via Twitter, Facebook, and the comments section of various OPP posts, with questions along the lines of, "Why couldn't the Magic do this deal?" The answer is pretty simple.
Compare what Orlando might be able to offer with what Utah actually received from New Jersey. The most similar package consists of Jameer Nelson and Brandon Bass, with Malik Allen added to make the trade legal for salary-matching purposes. Now, Nelson isn't too far off Harris' caliber: he averages 12.2 points and 6.3 assists to Harris' 15 and 7.6, he's barely a year older, and makes roughly $1 million less per year. He's not really the issue.
And yes, Bass tops Favors. There's no question he's the better player. The issue, with comparing these two, is age: Bass will turn 26 before the season ends, while Favors is still 19. Thus, the third pick of this year's NBA draft has more value to a rebuilding team--and trading Williams signals the Jazz's intentions to rebuild--than the veteran Bass.
Further, the Nets sent their own 2011 first-round pick to Utah in the trade, as well as the Golden State Warriors' 2012 first-rounder. Here's where New Jersey's offer clearly trumps anything Orlando could have done. The Magic sent their own 2011 first-rounder to the Phoenix Suns in December as part of the massive deal that netted them Jason Richadson, Hedo Turkoglu, and Earl Clark. Plus, they don't have any other teams' picks to offer. The best the Magic could have done is to include their 2013 first-rounder in an offer for Williams.
In sum, New Jersey's offer includes a slightly better point guard, a stud prospect at power forward, and two future draft selections; its package tops anything the Magic could have put together on every front.
Orlando does not have the assets to acquire a player of Williams' caliber via trade, and the long-term deals of Turkoglu and Gilbert Arenas make signing a star free agent--like Williams or Chris Paul--in 2012 extremely unlikely, barring a swift, stunning, and drastic roster overhaul. It's unfair to somehow blame the Magic for not getting this deal done. Were acquiring Williams as simple as packaging Nelson, Bass, and Allen together, they would have done it.
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Well said Evan.
Kings fans are having the same conversation as well, but, without Tyreke Evans or DeMarcus Cousins in that conversation, there was never any way the Jazz would have done it.
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by silenthero07 on Feb 23, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
"It's unfair to somehow blame the Magic for not getting this deal done."
I know, and I usually don’t play the what-if game,
but…
another similar proposal could’ve been Nelson, Gortat, and that 2011 draft pick for Deron Williams – where the rarity of Gortat’s skill set makes up for his age (27) and lack of a second draft pick. So while the Magic clearly couldn’t have done this deal now, can I blame Otis Smith for already having moved any pieces that might’ve helped them land Deron Williams?
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 23, 2011 6:34 PM EST reply actions
Gortat wouldn't have gotten it done either. He's older than either Jefferson or Millsap, so Utah would then have to dump one of those guys. idk.
I don’t think Williams was ever a possibility.
I don't know...
I was under the impression Utah already does want to dump Jefferson, even without having a great replacement on their roster. I mean…at least the Magic could’ve been in the race, or something. Instead of now, where they could’ve called about Deron Williams and promptly get laughed at and hung up on.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 23, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
It all boils down to the draft picks
if there was 2 deals and with 1 you got good players with a future Orlando (read high) draft pick, or one with slightly worse players with a Nets and Golden State (read really low) draft pick, which one would you choose.
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I mean, when you phrase it like that...
but the Nets had to be awful for a long time in order to accrue those good picks. Is that what the Magic are going to have to go through to undo all the damage of Arenas’s and Turkoglu’s and Duhon’s deals?
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 23, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
As always
Until there’s a new CBA, nobody knows.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 23, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
I'm fine with this because the final result would be to acquire a slightly better point guard.
We don’t need slightly better anything.
Uh...
that’s like saying we wouldn’t want Dwayne Wade because we don’t need a slightly better shooting guard.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 23, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
Before you reply...
I mean “slightly better” isn’t what we need in any one position. We need a backup for D12 that will maintain whatever point spread exists while he rests. And some other stuff, I know. But that’s a different topic.
Just a funny thought..
Will Devin Harris fit in our system?? I mean the Magics’ system?? I seriously wanted Devin here in Orlando but we have no one to give to the Nets..
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You know, once upon a time..
A nobody like Kwame Brown and a late first round pick landed an AllStar for LA.
To say we didn’t have a chance is stupid. You always miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.
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by magic12ball on Feb 23, 2011 7:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Jesus Christ. The Gasol trade was the exception, not the rule, as far as the NBA goes.
by Evan Dunlap on Feb 23, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And you felt the need to take Gods name in vain to make a point.
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by magic12ball on Feb 23, 2011 7:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wasnt referring directly to
ORL★NDO, our time will come.
by magic12ball on Feb 23, 2011 7:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
...you or anyone in general.
My apologies, I just read my previous post.
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by magic12ball on Feb 23, 2011 7:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wonder how hard those keys were struck by Evan on that post? lol.
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We didn't have a chance
When the Nets had a better deal. Maybe if the Jazz decided to trade Williams and the Nets weren’t there with a good young PG, an elite, top 3 in the draft prospect, and a probable high draft pick to throw in, the Magic would have a chance.
But the Nets had those things, and the Magic didn’t.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 23, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, the whole world warned the Magic to pick Emeka over Dwight.
Most NBA trades are viewed in hindsight
Not really
It was about 50/50, maybe slightly biased in favour of picking Okafor. But even the writers who thought it should be Okafor recognised that Howard was likely the bigger talent, just also a bigger gamble.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 23, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
We didn't have a chance
Especially because of who Otis traded for in
December.
Shackles…
See you later Dwight in 2012.
Thanks, Otis… I never thought I’d say this, but I wish we had VC, MP, Rashard and Gortat back… Oh and whoever Phoenix drafts in 2011
Go Magic/Bucs/Gators/Rays!
I could be worse...
We could give away the draft rights for 2012… WAIT… we STILL could!!!
Heck… let’s be patient; let it all play out.
More excuses
Bull. There is a way to make things happen. Besides, to quote the idiot Otis Smith, “I didn’t know Deron Williams was available.”
Otis Smith has destroyed the team and the team’s future. Don’t tell us that “the trade could not have been done” when Otis SMith admits he “had no idea that Deron Williams was available.”
The trade could not get done because Otis Smith is brain dead. He brought us Arenas and his bad knee and all we got was his 24% shoooting from 3-point range. He gave away the kitchen sink in cash, a #1 draft pick, Carter, Gortat and Pietrus and J Richardson is performing below JJ Redick’s stats.
A good GM finds ways to improve his team. Otis Smith finds ways to destroy this team.
by USA-is-socialist on Feb 25, 2011 11:48 AM EST reply actions
By your logic
There are 27 teams in the NBA with worse GMs than whoever’s running the Nets. Because only the Nets “made things happen”.
Or, you can try reality, where the team with the best offer gets the assets. If Utah thought the Magic had any way of beating the Nets’ offer, they would have called Smith.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 25, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions

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