Team officials don't know exactly how many games starting power forward Brandon Bass will miss because of a left-ankle injury. But it's clear that the limited depth at the power forward and center spots will become an issue in the days ahead.
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Time for another Trade
I think the magic should consider trading J-Rich… The Bobcats wanted him back earlier in the season and we might be able to strike a deal with mr. Jordan… I would try and trade J-Rich for Stephen Jackson and S. Diop.. The trade works on NBA Trade Machine and it gets us a backup Bigg and a SG that can score and handle his own on the Defensive end….
If that doesnt work its a least worth a shot to call up Detroit and ask them about a possible trade maybe J-Rich for Rip Hamilton and a couple toss ins….
I think its clear we are not going to outscore teams without some defensive pressence and if it gets much worse we are in danger of losing Howard like Clevland lost Lebron…
How bout this then
J-Rich for Kwame Brown, and Stephen Jackson
or
J-Rich for A. Igudala and T. Battie
We have too many 3pt shooters we need some Defense both those moves fills big holes for the magic…
And as for the Hamilton thing goes… Hamilton plays better defense then J-Rich hes like an old mans Courtney Lee
by MagicMichael on Feb 2, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Kwame Brown is no better than Malik Allen, and JRich is better than Stephen Jackson.
Philly will also want a whole lot more than just an expiring contract for Igoudala.
I completely agree
If you look at what Kwame has done this year he has come in and played good Defense and rebounded the ball as well as put up some points… He is a liabilty on the free throw line but he doesnt get there very often…. he could help
He's solid
He’ll never live down his draft spot, but he’s a competent player at this stage of his career.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 3, 2011 2:59 AM EST up reply actions
If you are going to suggest a trade, no matter how foolish, DO NOT include injured players, especially those out for the year.
It truly damages your credibility.
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
Hello, handsome, is that a ten-gallon hat or are you just enjoying the show?
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Feb 2, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
My bad I dont follow the Bobcats very closely considering they suck
And by the way Stephen Jackson is more valuble to the magic then J-Rich because J-Rich plays no defense at all… we have plenty of shooting with JJ as the backup we need Defense badly….
Im guessing nobody has noticed over the last few games that we double team opposing players all game long because J-Rich and Hedo and Jameer cant play one on one defense…. Its causing us to collapse into the paint and leave guys like Mike Conley to get wide open 3s all night long…
Just wait till you see D-wade and Lebron tear us up from the 3 pt line tomorrow night then you will be on board to get rid of J-Rich for someone who can play defense
This is what we lost when we let players like C.Lee, Barnes, and Pietrus go…
It does look like you do not follow the Bobcats. Captain Jack plays zero defense.
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
Hello, handsome, is that a ten-gallon hat or are you just enjoying the show?
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Feb 2, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
He was capable, but he is not as effective as he once could be.
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
Hello, handsome, is that a ten-gallon hat or are you just enjoying the show?
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Feb 2, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
WTF
Captin Jack can play defense at 6-8 215 he plays bigger than he is and creates steals… What does J-Rich do other than shoot 3s… NOTHING… we can do without his scoring once JJ gets healthy again… Plus Jackson will do more to get to the free throw line which we need bad
Seriously, watch the games
He’s a mediocre defender and he left his offensive game in California.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 2, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Cant get much worse than J-Rich's Defense
plus If you look at espn Jackson scored 24 against the stingy defense of utah not to long ago… hes averaging 18pts a contest.. but I guess you watch all the bobcat games and know more than me
I don't have to watch them all
I look at his 14.19 PER, his 51.1 TS% (below league average), his negative (!!!) offensive win shares, and I note the way he chucks up nearly 16 shots a game whilst making just over 6 of them (at around 40%), and and then I watch the Bobcats 5 or 6 times and realise that he’s a awful shooting ball hog who puts up points in Charlotte’s because he throws so many awful basketballs at the hoop, sooner or later some of them have to go in.
If you want a guy who shots 40% from the field, 33.5% from three point land, who doesn’t play a lick of defense, and who, despite being as bad a volume shooter as you’ll find in the entire league, still chucks up 16 shots a game then yeah, Capn’ Jack’s your man.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 2, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Along with Duhon, Allen, and Q-Rich…he is definitely a tradeable asset at this stage. Those of you suggesting to trade J-Rich have not realized that he is Stan’s closer for the time being. That means he’s going nowhere.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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Duhon's an asset? Allen's an asset?
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
not valuable assets…but assets nonetheless
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
They're like
A CDO. Technically assets, but only if you can find someone really, really stupid.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 3, 2011 3:00 AM EST up reply actions
That’s all the Magic realistically have to offer.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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That's why we're in trouble.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
I cannot believe he did not contact you personally to discuss that!
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
Hello, handsome, is that a ten-gallon hat or are you just enjoying the show?
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Feb 2, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No self control, not understanding of managing a NBA team.
psst
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
Hello, handsome, is that a ten-gallon hat or are you just enjoying the show?
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Feb 2, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Who's to say Otis doesn't have a plan? When has he ever not had a plan?
He just doesn’t tell us what that plan is. For all we know, his trades are a setup for the off season.
I’m not saying that’s the case, but the man may be sacrificing short-term losses for long term gains. He said as much prior to the Arenas trade.
Long term gains?
Like winning within the next two years to keep Dwight happy with the team’s direction? How does taking on overpaid, old players with long contracts on top of overpaying old players with long contracts during the summer achieve that long term gain?
Or does Otis already have the master plan for the post-Dwight era?
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
by slickw143 on Feb 3, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1) Zing!
2) I wish he’d at least contacted anyone that has even an ounce of talent for being an NBA GM.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 2, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Who are they gonna play against the Heat??
When Howard sits, Anderson would play C and Turk PF? Turk against Bosh? And what if Dwight gets into foul trouble, or gets a double tech? We need a big body, and we need it now!
Tehre is not a better big man currently available, like it or not
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
Hello, handsome, is that a ten-gallon hat or are you just enjoying the show?
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Feb 2, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
There really is no answer
We have no shot at a tilte with this current team… as soon as the shots stop falling the magic cant do anything.. because they refuse to attack the basket
.. *because they can't play defense.
There, fixed it for you.
I honestly don’t understand the complaints about the offense. Yeah, some guys are in slumps right now, but all indications are that the post-trade Magic are better than the pre-trade Magic at scoring. It’s when the other team has the ball that’s the problem.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 2, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Correct. Defense is the problem with this team.
by Evan Dunlap on Feb 2, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's not entirely acurate..."they refuse to attack the basket"
Three players go at it all the time: Howard, Bass and Anderson.
As for the rest… J-Rich thrives on drives to the basket… on fast breaks. He COULD do more post ups, though… Nelson drives occacionally, when there’s space. Arenas doesn’t want to get tangled up and hurt his knees.
JJ likes to when he can. It’s interesting that when he and Howard do the give-and-go on the left side, JJ is ready to receive the ball to drive to the basket… but Howard NEVER hands it back to him… never. Howard just starts his usual side-to-side slow dribble thing… you know.
Q-Rich and Duhon… well they are KAPUT! Offensive non-entities…
im talking about the wing players
we need J-Rich, Jameer, and JJ and Gill To attack the rim more….
Yes, it's the defense
When we fall behind, even seven or eight pts; it’s very hard to come back, as we don’t make enough D-stops. Last year and the year before, the Magic would stop teams on their tracks for long spells; even a 20-pt lead was like nothing!
Moreover, the poor D affects our offense too! Without Defense, the Magic are not contenders, period.
whaaaaaa?
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
I'd rather have Rashard than Arenas right now, yes.
And for next year too. Bass could’ve still played back-up 5 minutes (like he already has been doing without Gortat), so I don’t understand the “We needed to trade Rashard or else we had to keep benching Bass or Ryan” theory.
We also would’ve had more depth in the event of an injury to a frontcourt player…. like what’s happened now…
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Yeah but who would of thought Gil would play the way he did. Second of all…you telling me Anderson would of spent more minutes at the 5 spot? The guy’s played better in relief at 4.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
Anyone that has seen Arenas over the past 3 seasons and wasn't in denial thought he would play the way he did.
Bass would’ve been doing backup 5 minutes, and Anderson and Lewis would be manning the 4. Maybe in that order, maybe not.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 2, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Arenas did not play during 2 of the the last 3 seasons and barely did the third.
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
Hello, handsome, is that a ten-gallon hat or are you just enjoying the show?
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Feb 2, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that's part of my point.
Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by MoveThoseChains on Feb 2, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
What?
A LOT of people were questioning Gil’s performance before coming here and the wisdom in acquiring his 70 year old knees on his contract.
Secondly… Who was talking about playing Ryan at the 5? I said Bass could’ve played back-up 5 minutes, with Rashard and Ryan splitting time at the 4.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
fact is Anderson is playing backup minutes at 5 now…so that would of been the case if Shard was still around
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
Anderson's playing back-up 5 depending on match-ups.
He and Bass have split the time there since the trade. Bass is better suited to guard most centers in comparison to Anderson because he has more bulk. Not to mention the fact he gets his wish granted of not having to move around too much on defense.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Me
I would have thought that. Anyone who’s seen the Wizards play this season would have thought that.
I’d rather have Lewis cheering from the sidelines than Arenas on the Magic.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 3, 2011 3:03 AM EST up reply actions
I agree 100% about the defense but...
The fact is the magic rely too much on jump shooting… if you watch the last couple losses we were up by as many as 10… Then all of a sudden the shots stop falling but instead of trying to get into the lane for either a layup or a foul and a trip to the line… the Magic start jacking up even more shots and most of the time contested shots.. leading to long rebounds and fast break points for the opponent… you guys cant tell me you dont see it…
Im talking about in game stretches
The magic go on 1-3 cold stretches a game and when that happens they let the team back in the game because they jack up contested jumpers or quick 3s… Im just saying to put away teams they need to get to the basket during these cold streaks.. thats how you keep a lead…
SVG just said expect Bass out at least 5 games
maybe until after the All-Star break. Get ready to test those new starting lineups.
I’ll plug my own earlier fanpost for lineup discussions.
http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/2011/2/2/1970145/magic-to-feature-new-starting-lineup-for-awhile
its going to hurt
ryan anderson should start.. the problem will be foul trouble.. and cause lebron is the referees baby.. this will be a loss. miami…. they are the no. 1 allowing 33.5% from the 3pt line. orlando is no. 1 shooting 3s. we shall see.. if turkoglu takes size advantage on lebron.. would be better.
by bimbim3000 on Feb 2, 2011 3:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
LeBron career-wise has had problems with the Turkoglu matchup. That’s a fact. Can someone back me up with numbers?
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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There’s a slight effect. Compared to his career numbers, in games where LeBron has faced Hedo, he’s scored 1.6 fewer points and shot .453 (his career average is .475), which isn’t really significant. The big difference is 3PT% – LeBron is a career .331 long-range shooter, but has shot the three at only .229 against Turk. I think it’s the combination of Turk and Howard that negate LBJ – Turk is long enough to give him trouble from outside, and D12 cuts off his ability to drive at will.
Bob.
Orlando likes what they have in Turk, J-Rich and Arenas that's what they were brought in for
Trade indirectly like what Dallas did with Toronto
Dallas got G-F Peja Stojakovic off waivers and traded Alex Ajinca for Rights to Georgios Printezis.
Nets could Waive Troy Murphy (let him talk to Orlando first)
Orlando gets Troy Murphy off-waivers and trades Quinton Ross and Joey Graham for Quinton Richardson.
Howard / Murphy / Allen
Anderson / Bass – better off the bench becuase Anderson and Murphy are similar /Clark
Turk / J-Rich / Graham
J-Rich / Reddick / Ross
Nelson / Arenas / Duhon
I follow the Nets
and if Billy King can’t find Murphy a home before the deadline, Murphy agent Dan Fegan steps in and ask for a buy out.
And
in this situation they would be getting Q-Rich for Troy Murphy instead of nothing.
Salaries don't work
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Feb 2, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
would they trade qrich for ross and graham?
by bimbim3000 on Feb 2, 2011 4:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thats why you do it behind closed doors
like Toronto and Dallas did, players need to talk to other teams before taking a buyout.
Peja himself and Dallas knew he would sign with the Mavs before being bought out or you think GM’S , Owners actaully follow every rule of the NBA rule book?
Other NBA teams wanted the league to investigate that senario involving Toronto and Dallas, IMO they did nothing wrong, they just found a senerio to help their teams repectively.
Denver was going to let NJ talk to Carmelo, in this case NJ is going to let Orlando talk to Murphy and Ross-Graham for Q-Rich can be completely different deals like CUBAN SAID.
And the league never could find out
if what Dallas and Toronto did was “Illegal” like you say.
No
it could still be “Illegal” like Evan says but how can the league prove what they did was Illegal? Until this day nothing has comeup on that situation becuase it’s not a big deal, whats so illegal of giving your player permission to talk to other teams- buy him out then swap some pieces with that same team?
illegal at the end of the day means fines. there was definitely some discussions with LeBron before he could officially talk. and the NBA fined the Lakers for talking to Shaq before they could. fact is, the teams factor in such “illegalities” as a price of doing business. especially if the fish is big enough.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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The fact that fines and penalties are not large enough to be any deterrent to illegal activities, don't make them right.
We should be condemning – or at least discouraging – such activities at the court of public opinion, and labeling the fines as “the cost of doing business” is not helpful. I am sure we are in agreement in that regard.
i agree. they should dock them draft picks or hinder their ability to spend money in free agency or make trades. whatever. the fines are obviously not a deterrent. i doubt the cHeat would be too happy with the inability to spend money in this free agent season considering they need to surround their 3 100 million dollar stars with talent.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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rarely used though. the wolves were highly egregious in that smith situation. you almost had to nail them. i definitely think the cHeat should have been further investigated for what happened. for the life of me, i will never understand how those 3 being on one team is good for the league. the fact LeBron is off the Cavs has killed a franchise and interest in that franchise completely. the league could benefit from having at least one of those guys on another team.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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I fully agree with your assertions on the Heat's situation.
Those guys were obviously talking to each other, and it wouldn’t have taken much for the league to reveal it in an investigation.
It's like every thing else that one does in private.
If it is deemed illegal, there is a risk involved with being exposed (i.e., one could rape or kill in private).
at some point Evan, it left the confines of friendly private conversations to someone from cHeat management getting involved. and im willing to bet that involvement didnt occur on or after July 1. thats where the line was crossed and could probably be easily exposed if properly investigated.
no way stephen a smith knows about this in june and all thats happened are private conversations between friends.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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Well of course the guys talked to their agents and buddies about it.
But I don’t see how, say, Riley can be at fault here. Of COURSE he’d like to sign three of the league’s 20 best players in their prime years.
i doubt Riles personally got involved before 7/1, he knows better…but im sure someone from the cHeat was doing something somewhere with someone in those players’ entourage (maybe not even the agents because they too should know better). something went down and it was just friend shooting ideas in conversations.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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Id be happy
with anyone that could come in and play some hard nose defense like a tony allen type player…
What can we do with the guys we have?
Trade scenarios are just wishful thinking. We have what we have right now.
I’d probably try this against Miami:
Jameer/Arenas/Duhon
J-Rich/JJ/Arenas
Q-Rich/Turk
Anderson/Clark
Howard/Anderson
The starting unit gets a bit stiffer defense with Q-Rich in there and we can take advantage of Miami’s depth issues with four scorers in our second unit.
Turk and Q-Rich can take turns in the Bron-o-Matic meat grinder, but who guards Wade?
Can we move Duhon to the two with Arenas at point at times to stop the bleeding or is Duhon just too small/slow?
We could try Q-Rich on Wade and Turk on LeBron. At least we get a bit of a size advantage there (but we’ll be slow, slow, slow).
It’s also go-time on Earl Clark. Unfortunately, there’s no guarantee we get a quality big. Especially now that we have even more need and are looking crazy desperate.
More great news from the Sentinel :
Even 6-foot-10, 225-pound Earl Clark was sent home from Amway Center on Wednesday after he arrived with a high fever.
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
and a OT :
please explaine to me what atdhe.net has to do with the security of the US…
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
There a new site for that:
Atdhe.me
Jay's favorite line: "Dog, in due time"
Now he look at me, like "Damn, dog, you where I am"
A hip hop legend.
I think I died in an accident, cause this must be heaven.
by 4QB on Feb 2, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Also, I have no idea-
They just post links, that’s it
Jay's favorite line: "Dog, in due time"
Now he look at me, like "Damn, dog, you where I am"
A hip hop legend.
I think I died in an accident, cause this must be heaven.
by 4QB on Feb 2, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
It's still illegal
They’re facilitating the violation of the NFL’s copyright. You can thank your Congress(wo)man for making that sort of thing illegal.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 3, 2011 3:05 AM EST up reply actions
Still, it's posting links- Ahh whatever, they aren't in the U.S. anymore now.
Jay's favorite line: "Dog, in due time"
Now he look at me, like "Damn, dog, you where I am"
A hip hop legend.
I think I died in an accident, cause this must be heaven.
by 4QB on Feb 3, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Still, it's posting links- Ahh whatever, they aren't in the U.S. anymore now.
Jay's favorite line: "Dog, in due time"
Now he look at me, like "Damn, dog, you where I am"
A hip hop legend.
I think I died in an accident, cause this must be heaven.
by 4QB on Feb 3, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I get that IPR who protects copyright have something against them
but putting the logo of homeland security makes me thing of the end of “blues brothers” for some reason.
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
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