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Early word is that Bass' ankle could keep him out for a while.  It is "only" a sprain, but ankle sprains can be serious (just ask Grant Hill).  This will require the Magic to feature a new starting linup until he heals.  Options:

 

1)  PG:  Nelson/GA/Duhon
     SG:  JJ/Jrich/GA
     SF:  Jrich/Q Rich/Hedo
     PF:  Hedo/Anderson/Malik
     C:  Howard/Anderson/Malik

2)  PG:  Nelson/Duhon
     SG:  GA/JJ/J rich
     SF:  Jrich/Q Rich/Hedo
     PF:  Hedo/Anderson/Malik
     C:  Howard/Anderson/Malik

3) PG:  Nelson/GA/Duhon
     SG:  Jrich/JJ
     SF:  Q Rich/Hedo/JRich
     PF:  Hedo/Anderson/Malik
     C:  Howard/Anderson/Malik

Poll
What should the depth chart be if Bass is out?
Option 1
27 votes
option 2
18 votes
Option 3
25 votes
Other
25 votes

95 votes | Poll has closed

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1: The Magic have the most depth at PG, SG, SF (especially with Bass injured) so it made sense to bump Hedo down
2: There’s been little reason to believe that Malik is healthy enough to play any minutes and someone has to play behind Howard and that’d be a lot of minutes for Anderson if he was still starting; in other words, who plays the 4 and 5 when Anderson and Howard both need to rest
3: What happens when Anderson and Howard both pick up early fouls (similar to issue in 2)
4: Hedo has to play some 4 so he might as well start when he’ll have Dwight on the floor to help out on D

by dukenilnil on Feb 2, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

you forgot about Clark

he is healthy enough to be in the rotation instead of malik


Q: Jj redick, what does it mean that u lead the team in scoring in the 4th quarter? JJ's answer: "we blow out a lot of teams"

by chess_gd on Feb 2, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

"Other"

PG: Nelson, GA, Duhon
SG: J-Rich, JJ, GA
SF: Hedo, Q-Rich, J-Rich, Clark
PF: Anderson, Hedo, Clark, Allen
C: Howard, Anderson, Allen

Bass was playing both starting PF and backup C, so I don’t know why Anderson wouldn’t be able to do the same. Also, we haven’t seen word that Allen can go, but the last I heard he was expected back this week so it’s possible to see him play a few mins. here and there for rest/garbage purposes.

Also…a fun thought experiment I came up with…with two pre-conditions. If Hedo’s back is ok and he can play ‘facilitator’ and if Clark can show decent play on the defensive end…then how about this:

PG: Hedo
SG: J-Rich (offense) / Q-Rich (defense)
SF: Clark
PF: Anderson
C: Howard

A no-PG lineup where the shortest guy on the floor for the Magic is J/Q-Rich, who aren’t exactly “small” guys. The rest of the crew is 6’10"-plus. I’d just be really curious how that lineup would do.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Feb 2, 2011 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

This.

/cosigned.

(The first option.)

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by fwedo on Feb 3, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Sounds great in theory

Until Turk or Clark ends up defending either defending a point or a 2 guard. And I do not think either of the Rich’s could defend a point. But the length would definitely cause some problems. If Clark can defend a 2 guard, then you could play that. I would definitely feel bad for whatever PG would have to guard Turk.

Roll Bass and War Ryno for me

by Mateo9399 on Feb 3, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I know

The only problem would be if they had enough lateral speed. I highly doubt this lineup would ever see the court. But then again the Red Sox won two world series. Anything is possible.

Roll Bass and War Ryno for me

by Mateo9399 on Feb 3, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

interesting

That lineup is one I have seen proposed for the Heat, but with the possible tweak of having J-Rich play SF and JJ play SG.

Agree that Anderson could possibly cover both PF and backup Center, but then the issue is having Hedo cover both starting SF and backup PF, putting him near 40 minutes if Anderson’s minutes were to mirror Bass’s as a starting PF. Trying to keep Hedo and Anderson fresh enough, especially on defense with them splitting Bass’s minutes AND hedo still getting starting SF minutes seems problematic, even if Hedo’s back is healthy.

by dukenilnil on Feb 2, 2011 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

Two things:

First, in regards to the ‘normal’ lineup, I agree that it could be a lot of minutes for Hedo and Anderson. Especially considering Hedo’s back issues, I’d say pair back his minutes in both positions, and have him be more of a spot up stretch-4 when he’s playing PF. Since the Magic are currently struggling defensively, I think Q should get some time to try and help in that department (as well as get some min. to try and get his shot back/going). They still have Q, J-Rich, and Clark to play at the 3 spot.

As for the ‘big’ lineup, the whole point would be to overwhelm the floor with size, which having JJ at SG and J-Rich at SF simply would not do. Hedo can ball-handle like a PG, so he does that. J-Rich is the starting SG already, so there you go. While Clark may seem oversized for the position, he is actually a ‘natural’ 3 (like Hedo). Then you have Anderson playing his natural 4 spot, and Howard obviously in the paint. You get the size, while still having everyone play in positions that are comfortable to them – really dangerous. The question would be whether Hedo, J-Rich, plus Clark would prove too much of a defensive liability…if you trade out Q-Rich for J-Rich, then it limits it to just Hedo and Clark while reducing the potential offense some.

I don’t know if it would work…but I’d love to see that lineup out there for some minutes, just to see how it does.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Feb 2, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Turk has always been much less effective at PF than we tend to think.

I’d put him at PG or all-purpose 6th man before I start him at PF.

Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

by MoveThoseChains on Feb 2, 2011 4:16 PM EST reply actions  

Not super effective, but not terrible.

However, it’s worth noting that he’s obviously better than Allen and Clark hasn’t yet proved himself. Maybe now is the time for Clark to step up and show he’s worth having in the rotation?

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Feb 2, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Hedo shouldn't be anywhere near the 4 spot

Change the rotation as little as possible – start Anderson, bring Clark and Allen in when necessary. Maybe sign some chump(s) on a few ten day contracts if required.

by eltharion_doa on Feb 3, 2011 3:13 AM EST reply actions  

because it's been working so well lately?

SVG has hinted at possible lineup changes anyway, now’s a good time to try some out.
No problem with Hedo at the 4. His performance would likely mirror Shard’s this year at the 4. Besides, in the 4 out, 1 in offense, positional designations outside of C are pretty meaningless.
On the rebounding front, the Magic have the 3rd highest rebounding margin in the league at +3.5 so taking a small hit at rebounding isn’t a big deal.

by dukenilnil on Feb 3, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Rashard was a decent defender at 4, and I doubt that Hedo's defense at that position comes even close to mirroring Rashard's.

Hedo’s problem is both the foot-speed and strength. He loses to tall and speedy 4’s on length and speed, to shorter/stronger ones on strength and speed, and to bigger/slower ones on strength.

by Matt1325 on Feb 3, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but

Not sure he is any more of a liability at the 4 defensively than he is at the 3. He’s foot speed becomes a bigger issue at the 3. Plus, most NBA 4s offensive game is inside, where Dwight can provide some assitance

by dukenilnil on Feb 3, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

He did defend sdecently against Dirk in the Dallas game.

Bosh is a finesse player as well. I think Turk would be able to check him. Heck you could probably put Anderson on whatever Center they have and sick Dwight on opposing 4’s if neccessary.

Roll Bass and War Ryno for me

by Mateo9399 on Feb 3, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

It hasn't been working lately

Because nobody is playing defense, something that isn’t going to be fixed by putting a slow, undersized, bad post defending guy who doesn’t know the rotations at that position as a power forward.

Turk has been tried at the 4 at various times by various teams around the league, including us. It’s never worked. There’s no reason to believe it will work now.

by eltharion_doa on Feb 3, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Shoot...

appearently, SVG doesn’t read fanposts on the Pinstriped Post.

by dukenilnil on Feb 3, 2011 4:47 PM EST reply actions  

Okay - it seems like Ryan's greatness has been exaggerated.

He’s better off burning the opposition’s second units… right now starting Hedo at the 4 will be a defensive blunder, especially since his main role should be playmaking and shooting, not clamping down the Garnetts, Boshes, or even the Blatches.

Earl Clark would be an interesting idea. I think now with Bass gone Otis should really look for short term reinforcements, not rely on a roster that has clearly shown that it’s not big enough to defend the paint with Dwight on the bench

by RL Magic on Feb 3, 2011 11:39 PM EST reply actions  

FREE Q-RICH!

Jay's favorite line: "Dog, in due time"
Now he look at me, like "Damn, dog, you where I am"
A hip hop legend.
I think I died in an accident, cause this must be heaven.

by 4QB on Feb 4, 2011 12:26 AM EST reply actions  

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