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Assessing the Orlando Magic's Trade Assets as NBA Trading Deadline Approaches

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The NBA trade deadline looms large February 24th, just a week from tomorrow, so I thought it'd be a good time to take stock of what assets Otis Smith, the Orlando Magic's President of Basketball Operations, has at his disposal should he wish to make a move.

Rather than simply list the assets alphabetically, I've tried breaking them down into sensible categories. Nine players appear here; I excluded Dwight Howard (duh), Jameer Nelson (more valuable to Orlando than any other team), Gilbert Arenas (bad contract), and Hedo Turkoglu (also a bad contract).

For more on NBA trades and how they work, I refer you to Larry Coon's excellent, must-bookmark NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement FAQ. The sections on Base-Year Compensation and Traded Player Exceptions are particularly helpful in this context.

We'll start with Jason Richardson here. The rest of the assets follow the fold.

Productive Starter on Expiring Contract

Jason Richardson

Age: 30; Position: Shooting Guard/Small Forward

Contract details: On a veteran contract; signed through this season, worth $14.444 million.

Key career stats: 16.8 Player Efficiency Rating, 18.6 points per 36 minutes, 5.3 rebounds per 36 minutes, 53.1 percent True Shooting, 37.1 percent three-point shooting

My Take: Richardson belongs squarely in the class of sub-All-Star shooting guards. A deadeye shooter, particularly off down-screens, with above-average post-up skill, Richardson's a fantastic scorer with a lot of versatility. He also rebounds well, adding to his skill value.

And, with a $14.4 million expiring contract, he's Orlando's best trade chip. Expiring deals don't have the same value they used to have, as plenty of teams have hefty ones to offer, while other teams like the Cleveland Cavaliers and Toronto Raptors have large trade exceptions they can fill. Still, in the current climate fueled by uncertainty about the next Collective Bargaining Agreement, some smaller market teams will try to cut costs at the deadline. If they like Richardson, it makes sense for Orlando to dangle him. He's their best chance at landing another superstar to pair with Dwight Howard. With that said, the Magic aren't under much pressure to retain him--he's been more "good" than "great" since arriving from the Phoenix Suns in a December 18th trade--and could always let him come off their own books at season's end, rather than flipping him.

Orlando can include Richardson in combination with other players beginning February 18th, this Friday. If the rumors about his availability ever start circulating, it'll be around that time.

Star-divide

Productive Role-Players on Fair Contracts

Brandon Bass

Age: 25; Position: Power Foward/Center

Contract details: On a mid-level contract; signed through 2011/12 for a flat $4 million annually, with a player option for 2012/13 worth an additional $4 million

Key career stats: 15.7 Player Efficiency Rating, 15.1 points per 36 minutes, 8.2 rebounds per 36 minutes, 55.5 percent True Shooting

My Take: When healthy, Bass serves as Orlando's starting power forward and Howard's backup at center, positions he's held down since the Magic traded Rashard Lewis to the Washington Wizards for Gilbert Arenas on December 18th. Bass is having the best season of his career, his first as a full-time starter since college, and thus I'm sure Orlando would rather hang onto him. After a spotty first season in Magic pinstripes, Bass improved his effort defensively and on the glass in the offseason, making him a fixture in coach Stan Van Gundy's rotation.

Still, Bass isn't untouchable, especially if he can be combined with Richardson to net another star. And he, like Richardson, produces well at the offensive end. He's among the league's best jump-shooting bigs, even without three-point range, which makes him a threat in pick-and-pop sets. He also has a solid dribble-drive game, aided by the jab-step, his pet move.

J.J. Redick

Age: 26; Position: Shooting Guard

Contract details: On a veteran contract; signed through 2012/13 at an average annual salary of $6.73 million. The final season is fully unguaranteed, becoming fully guaranteed if not waived on or before July 8th, 2012.

Key career stats: 13.0 Player Efficiency Rating, 14.6 points per 36 minutes, 2.6 assists per 36 minutes, 58.0 percent True Shooting, 39.6 percent three-point shooting

My Take: Like Bass, Redick's a great scorer who's worked his way into Van Gundy's rotation. Though he doesn't rebound well or tally many assists, he's a low-mistake player on both ends of the floor, which has earned him the trust of his teammates and the coaching staff.

Additionally, Redick has expanded his game since joining the NBA. Once merely a spot-up shooter, Redick now has an above-average handle and can thus competently serve as a secondary ballhandler in most offenses. He can shoot off the dribble now, and has worked on adding a floater to his offense, but he's still at his most lethal as a stand-still shooter. That's a valuable skill that won't erode with age.

Consider Redick in the same boat with Bass: important to Orlando's success, but not untouchable. He is, however, tougher to deal than his power forward counterpart: as a Base-Year Compensation player, Redick's outgoing trade value is just half that of his contract, but his incoming value is that of his full contract. Potential trade parters can work around that restriction easily enough, but it's enough of an obstacle for me to consider a trade involving Redick unlikely.

Productive Young Players on Rookie-Scale Contracts

Ryan Anderson

Age: 22; Position: Power Foward

Contract details: On a rookie scale contract; signed through 2011/12 at an average annual salary of $1.826 million

Key career stats: 16.6 Player Efficiency Rating, 16.6 points per 36 minutes, 8.5 rebounds per 36 minutes, 56.3 percent True Shooting, 37.9 percent three-point shooting

My Take: If Anderson's not untouchable, he's darn close to it. The third-year pro ranks fifth in the league in three-pointers per game despite averaging less than 21 minutes.

He's more than simply a three-point specialist and floor-spreader, however. Anderson hits the boards pretty hard, with only Howard ranking ahead of him in per-minute rebounding on the team. He's also a good finisher inside and can drive to the cup when a defender closes too hard on his three-point shot. His biggest issue is a lack of strength, which opposing offensive players can exploit by simply backing him down. But he's not yet 23 and has plenty of time to improve in that area.

Given his productivity, value to Orlando's offense, and inexpensive contract, Anderson isn't really a candidate to get dealt unless a potential suitor sees him as the "great young player" in a trade for a superstar. But because he's averaged just 18 minutes per game in his career, the league may not have caught on to him yet.

Earl Clark

Age: 23; Position: Power Foward

Contract details: On a rookie scale contract; signed through the end of this season for $1.898 million

Key career stats: 10.6 Player Efficiency Rating, 14.0 points per 36 minutes, 6.6 rebounds per 36 minutes, 43.9 percent True Shooting

My Take: Clark has worked hard since arriving with Richardson in the trade with Phoenix, but still has a ways to go as an NBA player. His defensive awareness is still suspect, though he has the raw physical tools to be a nightmare on that end; it's not hard to envision him one day being able to guard either forward position and, if he bulks up even more, maybe some centers. The ballhandling he flashed at Louisville hasn't really shown up in the NBA, but he nonetheless enticed scouts with his variety of skills; he's often compared to Lamar Odom, who's had himself a fantastic pro career.

Still, Clark's involvement in a potential trade leans more toward "throw-in" than "stud youngster." He's a free agent this summer--he didn't impress the Suns enough to prompt them to exercise their third-year option on his contract--and a trade suitor could take a cheap look at him before the free agency period. My sense is the Magic like his potential and would like to keep him. But he's not yet part of the team's core, so we ought to consider him expendable at this point.

Trade Ballast

Malik Allen

Age: 32; Position: Power Foward/Center

Contract details: On a minimum contract worth $1.352 million

Key career stats: 10.0 Player Efficiency Rating, 11.6 points per 36 minutes, 6.7 rebounds per 36 minutes, 46.6 percent True Shooting

My Take: Allen hasn't been healthy very often, but when he is, Van Gundy sometimes relies on him to mop up a few minutes at center behind Howard or at power forward behind the Bass/Anderson duo. Allen doesn't do anything particularly well--he's been a below-average shooter and rebounder his whole career--though he does hold his own in the low post on defense and knows how to give a hard foul. On offense, he can at least set screens, move the ball, and stand in the right place.

On the surface, Allen is nearly useless as a trade chip because he doesn't do much on the court and he's making literally the least money possible for a player of his experience. Still, trades sometimes require such salaries to work; recall the Magic's three-way trade with the Memphis Grizzlies and Houston Rockets at the 2009 trade deadline necessitated shipping Adonal Foyle to Memphis.

Chris Duhon

Age: 28; Position: Point Guard

Contract details: On a mid-level contract; signed through 2013/14 for a flat $3.5 million annually. The final season is only $1.5 million guaranteed if waived on or before June 30th, 2013.

Key career stats: 11.3 Player Efficiency Rating, 9.6 points per 36 minutes, 6.4 assists per 36 minutes, 52.3 percent True Shooting

My Take: Earning $3.5 million this year, Duhon's probably the most handsomely paid third-string point guard in the NBA. Initially signed to back up Jameer Nelson, the Magic's trade for Arenas bumped Duhon, struggling mightily all over the floor, to mop-up duty.

Duhon's per-year salary isn't really an issue, I don't think, as it's well below the league average, and he's a well below-average player, all things considered. No, the problem is the length. Few teams, if any, want to pay Duhon neary $11 million until 2013.

The only way I can envision Orlando finding a taker for Duhon is if it agrees to take back another unfriendly contract, just for a player who fills a different position. Point guard help is hard to come by in this league, and it's possible--even probable--that Duhon will improve in a different offense or with another year in Van Gundy's system. But his poor play has submarined his trade value.

Daniel Orton

Age: 20; Position: Center

Contract details: On a rookie scale contract; signed through 2011/12 for $1.105 million, with team options for 2012/13 ($1.182 million) and 2013/14 ($2.134 million)

Key career stats: None

My Take: The 29th pick in last June's NBA Draft, Orton has yet to log a minute in the NBA and spent just two games in the D-League before aggravating a prior injury to his left knee. He underwent surgery upon returning to Orlando from the New Mexico Thunderbirds and will continue to work out this season, hoping to debut next year; indeed, Zach McCann reported Monday afternoon Orton will not play or practice with the Magic the rest of the year, and it's unknown when he'll return to the court again.

The Magic drafted Orton after one season at Kentucky, during which he averaged 3.4 points and 3.3 rebounds, which hardly inspires confidence in the youngster, especially when considered in conjunction with his recurring knee issues. Still, he showed some flashes of skill at Kentucky and in high school, and some scouts I've spoken to believe he would have become a lottery pick had he stayed in school.

Futher, he plays center, a position in short supply in today's NBA. With his back-to-basket game, respectable athleticism, and shot-blocking skills, he could turn into a solid contributor one day. It's likely Orlando will hang onto him, hoping to groom him as Howard's backup of the future. But he's years--really, seriously, years--away from developing into a rotation-caliber NBA hoopster.

Quentin Richardson

Age: 30; Position: "The Wing Is The Wing"

Contract details: On a mid-level contract; signed through 2013/14 at an average annual salary of $2.536 million, with a player option for 2013/14 worth $2.808 million. Contract contains a 15-percent trade kicker

Key career stats: 13.2 Player Efficiency Rating, 14.2 points per 36 minutes, 6.4 rebounds per 36 minutes, 50.4 percent True Shooting, 35.6 percent three-point shooting

My Take: I think Van Gundy and the Magic lost confidence in Richardson too early this season, though it's easy to understand why they'd rather play Hedo Turkoglu, Redick, and Jason Richardson ahead of the former high-flyer. Hired as a floor-spreading three-point gunner this summer, Richardson's responded by shooting a career-low 29.7 percent outside the arc while taking 59.3 percent of his shots from that distance. He doesn't shoot free throws and, though he's a willing passer, doesn't create a lot of offense for his teammates. About all he's done reliably is accept tough defensive challenges on a nightly basis, as well as demonstratively support his teammates from the sidelines.

Similar to Duhon, the length and overall value of his contract make him difficult to trade, even if the per-year salary makes sense for a player of his caliber. I'd have to say about the only way Orlando deals him is if it agrees to accept a similarly bad contract in return. Those factors, his trade kicker, and the fact that he's still the Magic's best perimeter defender--in a conference which includes LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Joe Johnson, Ray Allen, and Paul Pierce--make him likely to stay in Orlando past the deadline.

Other Assets

Trade Exception

Value: $6,322,320; Expires: December 18th, 2011

My Take: Trade exceptions can be valuable in this league, but more often than not, teams simply keep them in their proverbial back pocket and let them expire rather than using them. That's likely going to be the case with Orlando, which previously let a trade exception worth almost exactly this amount simply expire last July.

A common misconception is teams can package players and exceptions together for salary purposes. That's not the case. Exceptions may be "filled" with the salary of a player whose contract is worth up to the value of the exception. The team still has to pay the player's salary, obviously, and it'll count against the cap.

But exceptions are attractive to some teams because they can facilitate salary dumps with teams who want to cut costs. In the most famous recent example, the Oklahoma City Thunder used a trade exception to absorb Matt Harpring's contract from the Utah Jazz, easing Utah's luxury-tax bill. However, they also nabbed young point guard Eric Maynor, then a rookie, in the bargain. Oklahoma City, we should note, wasn't above the luxury-tax line then, so they weren't exactly in Orlando's boat there.

Draft Rights to Fran Vazquez

Value: None; Expires: Never

My Take: strictly speaking, draft rights have no trade value insofar as they don't count for salary-matching purposes. But teams might be interested in Vazquez, who'll turn 27 prior to the start of next season, now that he's become the best center in Europe.

Smith infamously selected the young Vazquez 11th overall in the 2005 NBA Draft, but wound up looking a bit silly when Vazquez spurned the Magic in favor of playing in Europe. Nearly six years later, he's reportedly interested in joining the NBA, as his contract with FC Barcelona expires this summer. Orlando has reportedly met with Vazquez's agent to discuss a contract offer, or what one might look like, for later down the line. If he's amenable to finally coming over, and if word spreads throughout the league that that's the case, the Magic will have to beat away trade suitors with a stick.

No, really. Magic fans clown on him for his choice in 2005, but there's no arguing that Vazquez can play. He's a rotation-caliber NBA big man right now and can probably be signed at a fair price. The issue is convincing him to come stateside, which is admittedly no small task. Still, Vazquez probably has the second-most sought after draft rights in the entire league--teammate Ricky Rubio, whose rights belong to the Minnesota Timberwolves, assuredly has the most--which means the Magic could have one helluva deal sweetener on their hands.

Note: I consulted ShamSports' salary database, the most authoritative of its kind on the web, as well as basketball-reference.com in authoring these write-ups. - Ed.

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So many thoughts...but for THIS YEAR:

Wait until after the deadline, when teams cut all their dead weight, and sign a servicable “enforcer” big to play 8-10 min. behind Howard. Then Otis needs to get on a plane to Spain and really press Vazquez for an answer – either way. Next year’s plans could be drastically different depending on whether the Magic can get him over to either play (hopefully) or be a trade chip.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Feb 16, 2011 8:25 AM EST reply actions  

this ^^

was also going to ask, if we do, what picks do we have left for this and next season?

by waleo on Feb 16, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

This summer: No 1st round, One 2nd round. Next summer: One 1st round, One second round.

Only place I could find it…don’t know how accurate:
Link: http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Magic.htm

That’s why I think that if Otis can get Vazquez to come to the NBA next year, the Magic should trade Bass for a second 1st-round pick in 2012 and a reserve wing defender (to combo with Q-Rich and Howard for defensive “lock-up”). This gives the Magic two first round picks in 2012 to work with…either to help facilitate a trade for the likes of Paul or Williams, or to try and pick up a young promising PG to take the reigns as Nelson/Arenas get older.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Feb 16, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Great Job

Outstanding write up Evan. Props to you man. Otis definitely has the assets to make a move and if there’s something out there that will make us better I’m sure he’ll do it.

by HustlerInc on Feb 16, 2011 9:34 AM EST reply actions  

Trades

I disagree with Evan that Jameer is untouchable, He has not played that well this season and he has been getting tourched by all the other top players at his postition this year… Now that we are married to G. Arenas he is expendable…. Here are the trades that I feel are worth trying

1) Magic-76ers (kinda unlikely because not too sure if the sixers still want to dump Iggy)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=45banu5

2)Magic-Grizzlies (this one makes the most sense for both teams)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6grxmqn

by MagicMichael on Feb 16, 2011 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

continued......

3) Magic-Pistons (this one would be tough to pull off but its still worth a call)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4bwoxgy

the first trade is unlikely but would give us a team with offense as well as defense and a formidable backup Center in M. Speights…

the second trade with the Grizz would give us another shooter in Mayo and a front line that only the Celtics could match in a playoff series… Miami wouldnt stand a chance against Dwight and Randolph….

the 3rd trade with the pistons would be tough because I dont really know what the Pistons want for Prince but Im guessing an expiring J-rich and Brandon Bass might entice them a little…

what do you guys think?

by MagicMichael on Feb 16, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

We can afford to though

with the emergence of JJ this year as a solid SG, J-Rich and his contract are expendable… T. Prince would improve our Defense and Ben Wallace would give us the back up center and toughness we need… Both have Finals experience as well…

I cant beleive people are impressed with J-Rich so far.. hes shooting a horrible percentage.. and he cant defend my grandma in the post

by MagicMichael on Feb 16, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I dont know about Severe Decline

but I also have to assume joining a Contender would bring out their best

by MagicMichael on Feb 16, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Grizz trade

J-Rich and Bass with the 4million dollar trade exception to the Grizz

for

Zach Randolph and OJ Mayo

Move JJ to the Starting spot at SG and bring OJ off the bench… Start Zach Randolph at the PF spot and have Anderson/Clark back up at Center and PF respectivliy… Then when buyouts happen after the Deadline passes we can still look to add a backup Center to add depth…

But there is no way Miami could matchup against a Dwight Howard and Randolph frontcourt

by MagicMichael on Feb 16, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Huh?

“Start Zach Randolph at the PF spot and have Anderson/Clark back up at Center and PF respectivliy”

So the frontcourt lineup would go like this?
PF – Randolph, Clark
C – Howard, Anderson

I think you might have worded that wrong. Also…I think if Randolph came over, it would be better to use him the same way the Magic are using Bass right now – as the starting PF and backup C. He’s stronger and can hold the middle while Howard is out better than Anderson could (not even worth comparing to Clark or Allen), and Anderson has certainly shown he can play the 4 for solid minutes.

My suggestion:

PF: Randolph (25 min), Anderson (23 min.), Clark (garbage/foul trouble)
C: Howard (38 min.), Randolph (10 min.), Allen/Anderson(garbage/foul trouble)

I wouldn’t say I “love” that trade suggestion…but I do see the advantages, esp. with Randolph’s expiring contract and Mayo’s ending at the end of next year. However…it doesn’t actually solve the DEPTH issues in the Magic’s frontcourt, since it would be a net wash in terms of number of bigs.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Feb 16, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

With this trade we are

upgrading a good PF in Bass to a Great PF in Randolph… we would still look for an extra big to sign after teams start buying out players… but the beauty of this trade is that it puts together a Frontcourt that would create all sorts of matchup issues for every team in the NBA… and when dwight howard is out of the game we still have a dominating inside game to open it up for the 3pt game…

by MagicMichael on Feb 16, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Z Randolph in Orlando would be a major mistake...

Dwight needs space to operate on offense. He doesn’t have a quick pop shot off of an entry shot. Rather, he usually takes a dribble or two and then puts up his shot (or gets dunks off of lobs). Z. Randolph eats up a LOT of space on the interior. This crowds the paint and makes Dwight LESS effective and the inverse is also true – Dwight makes Randolph LESS effective.
If you got Randolph’s numbers w/o impacting Dwight, great, but that’s not the case.

People need to let the Randolph idea go. He’s a very good player in most systems, but he is an awful fit here.

David Thorpe essentially said the same thing yesterday – Randolph wouldn’t work in Orlando because Dwight needs space.

by dukenilnil on Feb 16, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you have any data to back that claim up?

Are there any stats or data to show that when Howard or Randolph is matched up with another down-low big that their games become less effective?

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Feb 16, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Um...

When has Orlando had another low post scorer who only played in the paint? So no, but….. David Thorpe has more basketball knowledge than every reader of this board combined and then some, so I take his analysis very seriously.

by dukenilnil on Feb 16, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

Randolph and Howard would play great together just like Howard and Boozer would have played great together… The Magic need a true PF that can get to the bucket and make outside shots… Randolph is a better version of Boozer and he has range in his Jumper as well… Ur a crazy if you dont like this move!!

by MagicMichael on Feb 16, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Randolph's jump-shooting

44.3% within 17 feet of the basket.
34.3% between 17 feet and the three-point line
14.3% on threes.

Boozer?
50% within 17 feet
40.9% between 17 feet and the three-point line.

He’s not in Boozer’s class as a jump-shooter.

by Evan Dunlap on Feb 16, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

No reason to get testy.

I was merely asking for data.

Obviously Howard hasn’t played with another low-post scorer, unless you count the “Twin Towers” set with Gortat. You could try looking at that.

I don’t know much about Randolph’s career, so I have no idea if he’s played with center who, while not nearly as talented/skilled, plays like Howard. If he has, those stats would probably be helpful.

I wasn’t passing judgement on your claim, merely asking for you to support it. You could always link to David Thorpe, if you simply mirror his opinion.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Feb 16, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Good take (not sarcasm)

Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

by MoveThoseChains on Feb 16, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

How would the lineups work?

Hedo won’t come off the bench because he and Arenas both need the ball in their hands to make plays. So unless you’re starting Prince at SG, he’s going to have to come off the bench at the 3. So basically you are upgrading from Q-Rich to Prince as the reserve 3. Better offense for sure, given how Q has shot the ball this year, but I’d say the defense in that case isn’t a drastic change.

Also, while I love the idea of Ben Wallace backing up Howard in the paint…that trade would make the PF rotation: Anderson, Hedo, and Clark. Clark is too raw, and I don’t like the Magic having to overwork Hedo at the 4 when they need him at the 3 making plays.

One nice thing about that trade, if Price were to start at SG, would be that the starting lineup flat out huge. Nelson, Prince, Hedo, Anderson, Howard.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Feb 16, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I like the Prince deal because of this

Prince plays great defense and he makes shots with hands in his face..

We could play Hedo at PG for stretches like the Heat play Lebron at PG
lineup would be
Howard- Primary Offensive option
Anderson- 3 pt shooting and rebounding
Prince- 3 pt shooting and defense
Q-Rich- 3 pt shooting and defense
Hedo- Creating and running the show

by MagicMichael on Feb 16, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice Breakdown

If Gilbert is promoted to our starting PG that would turn an already terrible trade into an abominable trade. Considering what we’re left with if we move Jamrock, he’s more valuable to us now than he was before the Arenas trade.

by Hoop Dreams 2 on Feb 16, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

yes and no

it depends who we are taking back in a deal involving him… Gilbert can still start in this league… his recent play might not warrant that but ive watched every game this season and there have been some flashes of great play from him in certain stretches of the game…

with that said I dont like him as the starter either unless it brings us another “Star player”

by MagicMichael on Feb 16, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

If Gil just sticks to creating for others he would be ok.

Technically speaking he was avg 17 ppg with Washington. But still I like him creating rather than shooting.

Roll Bass and War Ryno for me

by Mateo9399 on Feb 16, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I Agree

if you watched him in the LA game though he went to the basket like 3 times and one time he got an open shot for JJ another time he scored on a nice finish… he is improving

by MagicMichael on Feb 16, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

He is actually a volume shooter, a high usage volume shooter but nonetheless the same.

People stop this dance, Say damn this persons fascinatin'
We blowin' dro up in the air, You smell it?
That's the fragrance, I got the focus, got the heart
And I got the patience

by 4QB on Feb 16, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed Jameer Nelson is untouchable...............

Jameer Nelson is untouchable because Dwight Howard said so……… Period.

by roger40 on Feb 16, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Why?

Tell me what Richardson has done since the 9 game win streak ended… Other than get torched on Defense and shoot less than 40% …

and while I lov e Jameer he isnt going to win us any championships, he is having one of his worst seasons.. Igudala would make this team a contender

by MagicMichael on Feb 16, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

What, and Arenas is going to us championships?

You’re delusional, to go along with plain old-fashioned wrong.

Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

by MoveThoseChains on Feb 16, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

No but I have to believe that having a guy like Iggy

would give us a better shot than J-Rich… with Iggy all of a sudden we have defense at the SG spot and we have a guy that gets to the basket when defenses are taking away are 3 pt shots…..

by MagicMichael on Feb 16, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Jameer

The problem is that Otis made the Gilbert trade when it was unnecessar.. now we are stuck with him and his huge contract… Jameer becomes our best trade chip outside of J-Rich.. because he adds value to deal… Maybe not this season but Next season when Guys like CP3 and D. Willams are available Jameer becomes the biggest trade asset in a deal for one of those guys….

by MagicMichael on Feb 16, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Here are some numbers

his PER in 08-09 was 20.66 (the year he was voted to the all star game)
 
this season its at 15.07

His FG% is at .43 which is not that flattering

by MagicMichael on Feb 16, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Comparing one season to a player's career year doesn't mean he is having "one of his worst seasons ever"

He is above his career average on 3pt shots and is down about 2.7% on his overall shooting compared to his career average. He is also averaging a career high in assists. It is definitely not “one of his worst seasons ever”.

by MagicMark on Feb 16, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Indeed Jameer Nelson is untouchable...............

Jameer Nelson is untouchable because Dwight Howard said so……… Period.

by roger40 on Feb 16, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't say he was untouchable. I said he's more valuable to Orlando than to any other team.

What team looking for a PG upgrade is going to want Nelson, at 29, with two years left on his deal? And why would Orlando trade Nelson for whatever that team has to offer, especially if it leaves them with an Arenas/Duhon PG rotation?

by Evan Dunlap on Feb 16, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

We need to make a deal to have a chance

even with the big win over LA im not sold on this current team.. because I just dont think we have enough to beat Miami or Boston… We are a player or two away from a championship bid.. and with our payroll the time is now.. we cant give Miami another year to retool and build chemistry…

by MagicMichael on Feb 16, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

It was the mentality that this team was one player away from a championship

that got us into this mess in the first place.

Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

by MoveThoseChains on Feb 16, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

FRAN!

Bring us the Spaniard! The dude is legit, I’ve been watching him play this season for Regal FCB, and he is playing pretty well. Although, the serbian on his team is also a legit big man. Not as experienced as the Fran.

by MasterofMagic on Feb 16, 2011 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

I am agree.....

Take for example Louis Scola…. Bring Frank Vazquez now.

by roger40 on Feb 16, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Far from happening but do the $ and move make sense...

Denver is giving everyone a hard time to unload Melo because they wanna throw as much in with Billups, Harrington and Smith, to get rid of the 3 contracts. Would you think Otis would consider and does the deal work and is it even a good one to consider.’
Hedo, Bass, J.Rich, Nelson, Orton and a pick….. For
Melo, Billups, Harrington, Smith….then after buyout go for Troy Murphy or a quality back up Big. Even without extention from Melo, I think a Finals appearance and hopefuly a title this year, Melo will resign with Dwight, knowing that by 2012 Billups and Smiths contracts will be off the books to sign Dwill or CP3. It’s just a thought, maybe Denver will consider it if we gave them great assets and take their contracts they don’t want.

by DonDannyPR on Feb 16, 2011 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

Why on Earth would the Nuggets want to do that?

What asset do they get that would be enticing to them at all?

Sure, they get Brandon Bass and Daniel Orton and a pick or w/e but then your throwing Turk’s bad contract in along with Nelson. If the Nuggets wanted to let J-Rich expire, they might as well just keep Melo and let him walk and they’d clear more space that way. The only thing that the Nuggets would get out of this is to dump Harrington and Billups’ deals, and if you look at the numbers along with Smith’s contract, they would save a net of a little over 1 million by taking back Hedo, Nelson, Orton and Bass.

Basically, all kinds of no.

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by JeffShann3 on Feb 16, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Nelson is a bad contract nor Hedo's from now...

I dont see Nelson a bad contract 7 mil for 2 years. It’s a contract that they can go ahead and trade Nelson to a team for a need they got knowing that Nelson will have some value. To me they eventually need a SF replacement and if they use Hedo the way Orl does, it actually is a good fit for them. They get Hedo, Orton, Bass and a pick while the trade away Nelson for something they need. Most of all they get rid of the 3 contracts they don’t want.

by DonDannyPR on Feb 16, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

and they take in at least 1 contract they don't want

and zero young assets (unless you count Bass, who will never be an All-Star) and an aging PG (albeit younger than Billups). I didn’t say Nelson’s was a bad contract, I said Turk’s was. They won’t want to add a guy like Nelson to be their PG though.

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by JeffShann3 on Feb 16, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Like this

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4ewqk2m

I actually kinda like it… it makes sense to me… the only cog I see is Hedo is a bad contract for them but it does give them a good replacement for Melo… and it gives us a better chance at keepin Howard and getting a CP3 for our own version of the Big 3

by MagicMichael on Feb 16, 2011 11:41 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks for the exception...

The exception was what I was missing, but if Denver can get young players like the NJ deal, why not get good players now and young and a pick and get rid of the 3 deals they don’t want. To me, if I was Denver I would consider it knowing that I can trade Nelson.

by DonDannyPR on Feb 16, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Since we're all dreaming...

Why not this trade …. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4wb9ym9

Solves our big man issue and vastly improves the PG position, obviously.
For NO, they are sinking fast (2 wins to 8 losses in last 10 games) and have a tough schedule the rest of the season. In all likelihood, they will be at best a 1 series and done playoff team, and stand a decent shot at falling out completely at the current pace. This trade clears a ton of cap room for them and gives them a solid PG to hold down the fort while they rebuild.

Realistically, I know NO won’t do this trade, but in a month, after their recent slide continues, they will wish they had moved Paul somewhere.

by dukenilnil on Feb 16, 2011 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

The ghost of Javaris Crittenton

lives on. Every season around the trade deadline, we always dream of role players, all-stars, and superstars that would help this team. But I always remember Crittenton because everyone wanted him (even me), but I’m glad Otis never traded for him.

Great job Evan breaking down the trade assets like this. Its a different way of looking at what we have and what we possibly can get in return.

I was thinking of the Duhon contract and I can’t think of any team that would want him. Like Evan said, the only way we can trade him is for another equally bad contract. Here a few guys that I think would be trade-able:

Beno Udrih-2 yrs left at 6.9 and 7.3
-Francisco Garcia-2 yrs left at 5.8 and 6.1
-Matt Carroll-2 yrs left at 3.9 and 3.5
-Ed Najera-1 yr left at 2.75
-Dahntay Jones
2 yrs at 2.7 and 2.9
-Andres Nocioni-1 yr at 6.5
-Jason Maxiell-2 yrs at 5 each

These are the players that we could possibly get straight up for Duhon if the other GM would really want a backup PG. I don’t think it will happen, but I would take any of these players than Duhon.

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by L Magico on Feb 16, 2011 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

thats weird

I didn’t mean for the strikethru. Hopefully u can see it tho…

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by L Magico on Feb 16, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Great work, Evan.

Love this write-up: thanks for clearing up some of the confusion for me in all this trade chatter.

I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.

by Redfield on Feb 16, 2011 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

I DO NOT WANT TO TRADE EARL CLARK

sorry for the caps, but I really mean it. This will be a mistake if we do it.

ORL★NDO, our time will come.

by magic12ball on Feb 16, 2011 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

Anything with Houston?

They appearently are interested in trades and have lots of assets. Do we have anything they’d want?
Perhaps – J. Rich and Rhino for Battier, B. Miller, and C. Lee? It’d stink to lose Anderson, but I imagine Houston would want young talent (in addition to expiring contracts) and he’s the best we’ve got. The trade would provide some C help for Dwight (obviously requiring more E. Clark at PF) and give us a top flight wing defender in Battier and another defender in Lee who knows the system.

Plus, it’s hard not to like a SG rotation of Redick and Lee for the future and it wouldn’t cost the organization a lot either.

by dukenilnil on Feb 16, 2011 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

I would rather have Kevin Martin.

Not sure if they would trade him, but if they got J Rich they would have him plus Yao plus Battier plus Jared Jeffries coming off the books. Almost 40 million coming off the books. They could pair a super star next to Scola and Lowry. I would have to think about it.

Roll Bass and War Ryno for me

by Mateo9399 on Feb 16, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

If you are Houston

If you are willing to suffer through a semi tough season next season, you would have a lot of money to offer Deron Williams, Dwight, Paul, etc. Plus you already have a good coach and Scola. No state Tax. Every NBA player loves Houston from what I hear. I could see them trading Kevin Martin for Kevin Martin. For the Magic the only thing is you might get a semi unhappy JJ. He wants to start. But Kevin Martin would fit this offense perfect. Shoots greats and actually gets to the foul line. Also big at 6’7". Fits SVG as an efficient scorer. God he would be great here. Seriously. I feel bad that no one knows about him.

Roll Bass and War Ryno for me

by Mateo9399 on Feb 16, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Martin for Richardson is intriguing…BUT… we’d probably be trading one defensive liability for a much larger defensive liability.

"The other worry is his defense. Sacramento wasn’t exactly the Van Gundy Academy of Defensive Fundamentals, so perhaps he’ll be more competent (and accountable) in Houston’s system, but Martin often dogged it on D last year and doesn’t have the talent to get away with it. Both Sacramento and Houston defended substantially better when he was off the court." Hollinger

by dukenilnil on Feb 16, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus...

Although Houston says no one is undtradeable, if they are building for the future, hard to see them trading Martin with a solid contract at a young age for anything other than a package for a superstar.

by dukenilnil on Feb 16, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

But again after clearing 40 mil+ off their books, they would be able to entertain any superstar they want.

Roll Bass and War Ryno for me

by Mateo9399 on Feb 16, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

But his offense fits ours so perfectly.

Plus I think he would become like the third option here. I like J Rich, but we do not run that much. We did for a week. But, running does not win often. Kevin Martin sits, shoots, drives and then gets fouled. With having to do anything special for him. Just give him the ball on a wing and let him work. What this would mean is that Turk would have to do more rebounding, because literally all Martin does is score. That is it. Nothing wrong with that, but he literally does nothing else. To me, he is actually the best pure scorer in the game. And no one knows that because he never makes the playoffs. I would love to see Turk running the point forward and having the option to pass Ryno, Jameer, or Kevin Martin on the wing or throwing an ally oop for Dwight. Yes weak defensively, but how would you guard Orlando??

Roll Bass and War Ryno for me

by Mateo9399 on Feb 16, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

With=Without***

Roll Bass and War Ryno for me

by Mateo9399 on Feb 16, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm...

Martin for Richardson is intriguing…BUT… we’d probably be trading one defensive liability for a much larger defensive liability.

“The other worry is his defense. Sacramento wasn’t exactly the Van Gundy Academy of Defensive Fundamentals, so perhaps he’ll be more competent (and accountable) in Houston’s system, but Martin often dogged it on D last year and doesn’t have the talent to get away with it. Both Sacramento and Houston defended substantially better when he was off the court.” Hollinger

by dukenilnil on Feb 16, 2011 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

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