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New Orleans Hornets 99, Orlando Magic 93

Poor offensive execution and timely baskets allowed led the Orlando Magic to drop their 8th straight game against a team with a winning record, 99-93, to the New Orleans Hornets on Friday night. Dwight Howard scored 20 points, grabbed 17 rebounds, and blocked 3 shots, but Orlando shot just 5-of-21 from three-point range, committed turnovers for 20 Hornets points, and let Willie Green score a season-high 24 points in defeat. The loss so vexed Orlando's fans at Amway Center they booed the team off the court, as the Magic scored just 2 points on their final 13 possessions after Earl Clark's long jumper knotted the score at 91 with 6:33 remaining. David West tallied 17 points and 17 boards in the win.

The frustration mounted throughout the game, but especially in the final 18 minutes of the first half, in which New Orleans scored five three-point plays and had another three-point basket. The Hornets' complementary players, which Green led with his season-best output, helped New Orleans build the lead even with West and franchise point guard Chris Paul sitting. The two stars scored just 5 of the Hornets' 33 points in the period, with the illustrious Green (5), Jarrett Jack (13), Trevor Ariza (2), David Andersen (6), and Aaron Gray (2, on a broken play) providing the other 28.

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TeamPaceEfficiencyeFG%FT RateOReb%TO Rate
Hornets89107.348.8%20.220.913.0
Magic9498.949.4%20.517.117.0
Green denotes a stat better than the team's season average;
red denotes a stat worse than the team's season average.

These weren't all layups for New Orleans, either. The Hornets made more than their fair share of difficult shots against pretty good defense. Speaking broadly, the Magic played good defense for the first period and the entire second half, particularly in the halfcourt. They had trouble containing the Hornets in that second period, especially with dribble penetration; sideline reporter Paul Kennedy spoke to Magic assistant coach Bob Beyer during the game and learned New Orleans scored 24 of their second-period points on a whopping 17 drives to the lane, what Beyer termed an "astronomical" level of efficiency.

So while it may appear, based on Green's whopper of a night, that Orlando's defense was an issue, the real problem was offense. The song remains the same: the three-pointers stopped falling--really, they never started--and the team largely ignored Howard on the interior after a hot start. He needs more than 12 shot attempts and 12 free-throw attempts when matched up against the likes of Gray, D.J. Mbenga, and Jason Smith, let's put it that way. New Orleans ranks as one of the league's best defenses, but had lost four straight games, and six out of seven, with defensive-oriented center Emeka Okafor sidelined. I credit them for playing with tremendous energy, on both ends, clearly desperate to earn a win. Still, the Magic had a great chance to push their winning streak to three against a scuffling team, and couldn't do it.

But they at least fought their way back into it with an impressive third quarter of basketball, with players who struggled to get involved in the first half suddenly making it happen against a good defensive team. Ryan Anderson and Jason Richardson, who failed to score in the first half, came alive in the third; Gilbert Arenas closed the period with consecutive long two-pointers to knot the score at 80 apiece, setting the scene for an exciting final frame.

But when the time came for Orlando to build a lead and pull away, it couldn't score. The Hornets couldn't either--they struggled to get any good looks up against an impressively energetic and focused Magic defensive front--but they still mustered enough to come out with the victory. Here's how Orlando's final possessions played out following Clark's tying jumper:

  1. Arenas misses a pull-up jumper;

  2. Jameer Nelson misses a layup;

  3. Hedo Turkoglu misses a fading, contested, step-back jumper from the left corner;

  4. Turkoglu throws a bad pass;

  5. Clark sets a moving screen trying to free Nelson on the right wing in delayed transition;

  6. J.J. Redick misses an ugly, unorthodox floater in the lane;

  7. Ryan Anderson misses a jumper;

  8. Nelson throws an awful lob pass intended for Howard on the break, which Paul steals;

  9. Turkoglu throws a pass out of bounds trying to feed Redick on the right wing for an open three;

  10. Redick scores on a driving layup the Hornets conceded to him once he beat Green off the dribble;

  11. and with the Magic down 3 and 25.7 seconds to play, Turkoglu throws an inbounds pass out of bounds, low and just out of Richardson's reach.

The Magic came up empty on their next two trips as well, but the game wasn't in doubt after that. During that stretch of Orlando's sad futility, the Hornets managed to score three times: West bagged a long jumper; Green drilled a Kobe Bryant-esque fadeaway under duress from the right baseline, a shot he won't make uncovered in an empty gym 9 times out of 10; and West split a pair of free throws following an intentional Orlando foul. Adding to the Magic's weird night, they used Nelson and Turkoglu to double-team Chris Paul, a 90 percent free-throw shooter, on an inbounds play, but Paul got free anyway, caught the ball, and sank the free throws to give New Orleans a 99-93 lead with 22 seconds left. It was an appropriate way to end the competitive portion of a bizarre game for Orlando.

Brian Schmitz says coach Stan Van Gundy and Howard are blame for the loss. Van Gundy's issue is not forcing his players to feed Howard inside, and Howard needed to demand the ball more. Van Gundy, for his part, said he "was terrible tonight," according to Zach McCann.

Maybe I should have saved this post, originally made the night Orlando lost to the Boston Celtics, for after this performance. Put another way, if the team isn't in disarray then, it is now.

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so are we gonna get rid of j-rich or not

the guy really sucks right now. is he in a slump or personal problems or does he just not fit in our system? we also had some ugly possessions late in the game. i don’t know what is wrong with the magic. but they need to fix after the all-star break.

by Lil J on Feb 12, 2011 12:32 AM EST reply actions  

Where is the End

1st off I started reading your blog this season Evan and have really enjoyed ur coverage.
I saw this game on league pass and came away pretty sad. This team REFUSES to take the two-point shot. . As Kelly Dwyer has screamed for 2 yrs. Jameer Nelson is the straw that stirs the drink, and this guy just doesn’t get it. Off pick and rolls Nelson refuses to be aggressive, instead looking to make the pass. Bball is a game of reaction. If Jameer was aggressive shooting the long 2, or driving for layups, defenses would RESPECT him off every pick. Freeing up everyone.

J-Rich must be on a milk carton right now. Where did his game go? Is it the system? This is a highly efficient 2-guard ladies, and refuses to take his man 1-on-1.

Lastly R. Anderson, we get it. You can shoot the 3 ball, but u dont need to shoot EVERY 3-ball. If only you looked down and saw D12 in single coverage. Again it would cause ur defender to pick their poison (U or D12). Instead u continually shoot 3-ball with no set feet.

by Kenkaniff on Feb 12, 2011 12:44 AM EST reply actions  

All star break

This team needs a training camp badly during all star break. I’m not even sure who they should trade for at this point. I still refuse to believe the Magic are this bad. This is the same team that went 41-8 to close last season. That isn’t fools gold, that’s a great bball team. This has been disheartening esp when the Heat are doin swell.

by Kenkaniff on Feb 12, 2011 12:47 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, don't know how anyone can make that claim.

This team is close to matching last year’s loss total for the whole season, and with two+ months to go. That team was a better team than this team, despite what some people tried to say after this trade.

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by slickw143 on Feb 12, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Dwight Howard's second half

Howard scored his 18th point of the game with 9:58 remaining in the third quarter. In the remaining 21:58 of the game, Howard attempted exactly one field goal, a slam with 9:21 remaining in the fourth, and went to the free throw line on one occasion, missing both free throws.

During the final 9:20 of the game, the Magic scored 7 points on 2 of 13 shooting, including 0 for 4 on three pointers, and committed six turnovers.

It’s a shame, too, because the Magic played excellent defense in the second half, after New Orleans scored 61 first half points. The Hornets were held to 38 second half points, and 7 of 20 shooting in the final quarter, and Chris Paul was barely a factor after the first quarter, scoring just six points on 1 of 8 shooting the final three quarters.

Three key players for the Magic, Jason Richardson, Jameer Nelson, and Ryan Anderson combined to shoot 8 for 28, including 2 of 12 on threes (32.1 eFG%) for 18 points.

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by Mike from Illinois on Feb 12, 2011 12:52 AM EST reply actions  

7 years Jameer has played with Dwight and he still cant get him the ball in the post, but hey dont worry guys and girls they will eventually get that chemistry.LOL, If they would have just let Rafer play Dwight would already have a ring. SVG’S OFFENSE IS A JOKE and a very bad one. Magic fans are kidding them themselves if they think Howard is gonna want to stay in a situation where he dont get the ball. I feel like Dwights whole career has been spent standing in the post with his hands up WAITING for the ball that he never gets. Its sad to see the team always so frustrated on offense, they always look lost! SVG’s defense is top notch but his offense is garbage. it never fails, whoever is hitting shots gets benched he never goes with a hot hand AS A COACH HOW MANY GAMES/SEASONS DOES IT TAKE TO GET THE PLAYERS TO STOP JUST PASSING THE BALL AROUND THE THREE POINT LINE, its INSIDE out not OUTSIDE OUT, So a an opposing coach all iI have to do is camp my guys on the three point line because I know SVG isint going to let Dwight go off for very long so I dont have to worry about him destroying me. The Magic are the easiest team in the league to game plan against.

oh man Vareajo is bleeding! SO WHAT! BLOOD CLENSES THE SOUL-JVG

by D-RAK on Feb 12, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow, way to rant.

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by 4QB on Feb 12, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I had an even longer response written up when my web page reloaded for some reason,

So I am just going to say, you are flat-out wrong if you believe Stan’s offense is a joke. If you knew anything about basketball, you’d know swinging the ball around the perimeter is what gets you open looks in the NBA. Kicking into Dwight who kicks it back out doesn’t work unless Dwight is getting the hockey assist as they swing the ball around the perimeter. How many games/seasons will it take for you to see that? The offense is at its worst when there ISNT any ball movement.

Dwight didn’t go off the other night? Dude come on. Dwight can go off any night he wants, the difference is FT shooting for him. If he’s knocking them down, he’ll go off. If he’s not, he’ll probably hit around 20 a game. Should he have gotten more touches last night? Absolutely. But to say that SVG’s offense is a joke and that Jameer and Dwight have no chemistry, is just flat out wrong.

Oh, and Rafer sucked in the Finals, so to say that Dwight would have a ring if they didn’t bring Jameer back is just stupidly blind to what actually was going on.

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by JeffShann3 on Feb 12, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. Stan can call Dwight's number every time down the floor

But if the players aren’t putting themselves in a good position to make a good entry pass, or just are not simply making good passes into him, that isn’t on Stan.

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by JeffShann3 on Feb 12, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

This game

Stan wasn’t calling Dwight’s number, he admitted it himself.

by eltharion_doa on Feb 12, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I know, I said that in the post above the one you replied to.

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by JeffShann3 on Feb 12, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, Stan said in this game...

That he went away from Dwight. He was set on running the offense through the perimeter. Only involvement Dwight had was through PnR’s or possible offensive boards.

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by slickw143 on Feb 12, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

So you don't think that's part of SVG's strategy down the stretch?

keep the ball out of Howards hands and let him just go for boards after a missed three??

Just asking…

by REP96st on Feb 12, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he'll be great for us as a 3.

For defensive purposes. Remember in the playoffs when Durant gaurded Kobe? His length really bothered him. And KD is not the greatest defender. I think Clark is athletic enough to stay in front of other teams best wing.

by Memphissleek on Feb 12, 2011 1:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

This is NOT Orlando Magic basketball.

Personally, I think there is something wrong with this team. We just don’t look right, although 1 loss is 1 loss, losing 8 in a row +.500 teams is not a good sign for our championship aspirations.

I was disgusted with this loss, personally.

ORL★NDO, our time will come.

by magic12ball on Feb 12, 2011 1:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Now you know how I've BEEN feeling.

SVG AND Otis has to go, IMO. They’re running the team into the ground, and Howard is gonna leave if things keep going this way.

by REP96st on Feb 12, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Who do you replace Stan with?

There is nobody in this league that is available and is a better qualified coach than SVG. Period.

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by JeffShann3 on Feb 12, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Look, we're not going to win a championship this year the way we're playing.

It’s not happening. I don’t even see us going past this 1st round. We’re moving backwards. We need a change going into next season, so for the time being, let Ewing or some other coach off the bench coach. We keep saying “oh the 3’s will hit next game.” or "don’t worry, our “D” will be there come playoff time." No, it’s not. It’s the way we’re playing.

No one penetrates.. I’m like a broken record when I say this.. We play defense sparingly. Some players can give a crap about playing “D”, or even driving to the basket. And again, our offense game plans are transparent. Teams now single Howard, and expect our three game to beat them.. It’s not.

They got to go, and changes must be made in order to Keep Howard here and surround him with a team to win it all.

by REP96st on Feb 12, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Players play.

This game was the first time in a while where Stan was outcoached, and he readily admitted it. You just sound dumb talking about firing Stan when every educated person in the country agrees that he’s one of the best coaches right now. He’s had great success considering he’s had really only one star in the past 3+ years.

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by slickw143 on Feb 12, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying he's not..

However, he’s constantly making the same mistakes. Do you really think we should be happy about just making it to the playoffs? Against winning teams, Stan is always getting out-coached.

I say good job, but no good enough.. I don’t like his offense nor his match-up game.. never did. We have the best center in the league, yet we play a outside game.. Stan should go.

by REP96st on Feb 12, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

and yet you provide Pat Ewing as a solution?

You must be high.

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by JeffShann3 on Feb 12, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Drug free..

And I did say “for the time being”. Nice reading skill you have there.. “selective reading”..

Who sounds DUMB now?

by REP96st on Feb 12, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

you still for even suggesting Patrick Ewing.

You don’t think there’s a reason why he’s never even got so much as an INTERVIEW for a head coaching position? Nobody thinks he’s head coach material, that’s why. You can’t honestly think that firing Stan and replacing him with Pat even for the time being is a good idea.

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by JeffShann3 on Feb 12, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

You do. Always.

This is a perimeter oriented league now. Dwight wouldn’t even be a top 5 center if he was transported back to 1996. Stan has to deal with that, especially since his best player can be taken out of a game by getting fouled repeatedly. He’s not nearly as good as Shaq was to overcome that usually and still be the best option to run the offense through.

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by slickw143 on Feb 12, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

"is a perimeter oriented league now."

WORD??

If that was the case, we should at least have one championship in SVG’s offense. As for Shaq, how did he overcome that? He sucks at the free throw line just as much. You can believe he got more touches than Howard if that’s what you call “overcoming”. He was the go-to-guy. 4th Q rolls around, Howard gets fewer touches..

by REP96st on Feb 12, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Shaq was better than Howard.

He finished better, he had more moves, he could pass better, he turned the ball over less. Even with the FT shooting, Shaq was able to overcome that and be a factor. Dwight is simply not good enough to be a closer in a tight game if his FT shooting isn’t good. The only reason to post him up late in the game is if the opposing big man is close to fouling out.

We were close to winning a title, and went to another ECF with Stan’s offense. An offense that does not have an All-Star caliber perimeter player. Name me one single team in recent memory that can say that. Show how much dumber you are than even we believe you are, please.

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by slickw143 on Feb 12, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Lewis was a 4 man.

A stretch 4, but a 4 nonetheless. And if you want to compare him or Nelson to Parker and Ginobli, or Wade, or Kobe, or Pierce and Allen and Rondo, or Billups and Hamilton, or Jordan…. Yeah, be my guest.

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by slickw143 on Feb 12, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

The best teams drive to the basket

it’s the highest percentage shot, isn’t it? Who won it all just by chucking up three’s??

Look at Rondo.. Dude can’t hit a three to save his life, but he gets to the basket and creates.. FOR EVERYONE.

Kobe.. LOL, I won’t even bring up what he does..

Pierce.. Mid range, drives and hits the 3..

Pierce.. Mid range, drives and hits the 3..Gasol, mid range, drives and plays “D”.. Then again, all the people I just mentioned plays “D”.. And they’re all NBA Champions.

Pierce.. Mid range, drives and hits the 3..Gasol, mid range, drives and plays “D”.. Then again, all the people I just mentioned plays “D”.. And they’re all NBA Champions.Not to mention the Spurs and other recent championship teams.. They penetrate, play “D” and aren’t reliant on the three.. and we’re the total opposite of that.

by REP96st on Feb 12, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, let's fire Stan...

Because we don’t have Pierce, Rondo, Kobe, Gasol, Ray Allen, or Ginobli. Your comments are quite frankly worthless, and I’m done with you.

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by slickw143 on Feb 12, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

So then don't reply.. It's that simple.

Btw, It’s not only the players, it’s what they do. DRIVE and PLAY DEFENSE. Not just stand by the 3pt line and wait for the ball, or let their man drive to the basket, hoping Dwight will block their shot.

You’re blind, baby… You’re blind..

by REP96st on Feb 12, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Funny how the Magic always used to do those things

But suddenly don’t when Otis Smith traded in players who don’t play defense.

But yeah, the problem is obviously the coach.

by eltharion_doa on Feb 12, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Ewing.

Might as well get Otis coaching himself.

by eltharion_doa on Feb 12, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Gimmie BVW

He looks like a Pat Riley type with the hair and suit

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by JeffShann3 on Feb 12, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Kinda like your SVG/Pat Chewing argument

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by JeffShann3 on Feb 12, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Look, at the end of the day..

-We’ll keep going away from Howard, instead of going TO him, which will create double teams leaving someone open.
-We will continue to play hot-potato until the clock gets low and someone chucks up the brick. Howard will continue to get his points off boards and fouls (to a degree)
-We will continue to lose games because our offense is wack, and opposing teams will have a field day on us. -Even sub .500 teams.
-We will get to the playoffs and lose in the 1st round.
-We won’t play defense.
-We wont drive to the basket.. Again, see hot-potato.
-The Heat will OWN us.
-Howard will leave.
-The MAJORITY of people here at OPP will continue to praise SVG, even when we become a sub .500 team.

by REP96st on Feb 12, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I meant Eltharion's..

But yours was kinda weak as well.

by REP96st on Feb 12, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2011/02/11/magic-fading-as-long-bomb-attack-fails-them-again/

Tim Povtak raises some good points.

It seems like every winning team is latching onto this philosophy of letting Dwight have his, for the sake of defending the 3 pointer a lot better. So that’s either through a defender capable of slowing him down (e.g. Perkins) or by consistently fouling him (Hack a Howard). It just ruins the tempo of the shooters, because they could go through long periods of the game where they’re not getting good looks.

Off the top of my head, the only way we can negate this is through more capable passing. As much as I like Jameer, he’s not going to cut it.

by RL Magic on Feb 12, 2011 1:13 AM EST reply actions  

the 3 is not the answer

what happen to the PnR game we had. this is just sloppy B-ball by the magic.

by Lil J on Feb 12, 2011 1:35 AM EST reply actions  

So, even in a night where I defense is decent we manage to lose.

Who the f is Willie Green ? I can’t even imagine what kind of a mess this team would be if they didn’t go on that 9 game winning streak. Still time to correct things but if we continue to repeat the same mistakes we’ll be in big trouble. Stan said that he learned from some mistakes and I know he’ll correct them. I hope the players will do the same on sunday cause this team needs a good win.

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by 44792212 on Feb 12, 2011 4:22 AM EST reply actions  

the Lakers game will be fun... NOT

I need some anti-depressants. This team is painful to watch right now. Otis has ruined my life.

Blue and White Ignite..... BOOM!

by poterajko on Feb 12, 2011 5:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

in christmas

vs. boston.. dwight howard went 1-4? and they still got the win. they need the confidence to shoot and not give everything to dwight.. orlando is like 6-8 when howard scores more than 30?? something like that. how is that posible! they need to get it done.

by bimbim3000 on Feb 12, 2011 6:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Random people come when they lose

Was at the game. Magic played stupid the last 5 minutes. Plain and simple. New Orleans did nothing special. You could argue the Magic played locked down defense the entire second half. You could say Dwight should have demanded the ball but they made the run with defense and easy baskets. But even at that, this should have been 40-20 game for Dwight. Can’t blame SVG if they don’t give Dwight the ball. Players play. Those of us wanting lockdown defense saw it in the second half. Even Gil made some steals and gave a good effort. Also, Earl Clark showed me something that a lot of people say we miss from Barnes. Earl is a tough SOB. He won’t back down, but at least he is not psycho like Barnes. Does it in a quiet way. Yes he still made two or three bad rotations I believe but he is getting better and better every game. He also drives like Courtney Lee did but also has a sweet looking j. Gonna be hard for SVG to take him out. The only thing that disconcerns me is the franctic play we get towards the end of these games against winning teams. Having said that, the have to beat th Lakers. They need a win against a big boy. And they need it Sunday.

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by Mateo9399 on Feb 12, 2011 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

I agree with many of the points which you have raised.

Patience, dear OPP fellow members, patience. We saw the kind of defense we did not expect – at least – from some of the players on this team. Something has to give since this transition could not be painless, and offense did.

I conditionally agree with more touches for Dwight, but situations towards the end of the game – or quarters for that matter – is different from the starts. Teams by then know how many fouls they have left, and freely collapse on Dwight, and when he does not make the FTs – as he often does not – things get complicated as: 1) it ruins the flow of the game; and 2) It turns shooters cold due to game stoppage for free throws. When that happens, and Dwight is played tighter, players are at the same boat as we are as the spectators, meaning wanting to go to Dwight less. This is a psychological reflection which needs to be addressed by the coaching staff, and corrected for the future games.

One last note. I remember the thread a week ago titled “What Happened to Jason Richardson?” It seems that something is wrong with him. His confidence seems shattered, and he looks like a deer in the headlight. The game with the Lakers would be a good time for him to snap out of it.

by Matt1325 on Feb 12, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed on all fronts. Richardson is the one part of the team that is really concerning me.

I felt like he would be a KILLER in this offense. Shoot when your open, doesn’t have to create, just catch and fire. Occasionally take guys off the dribble to keep them honest. I don’t know if its just a case of a guy trying to fit in and not make waves (which happens a lot when a scorer is thrust into a new situation with an established offensive guy already there) or if there really is a confidence problem with his shot. I sure hope its the former and not the latter, as I think the former is an easier problem to solve.

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by JeffShann3 on Feb 12, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know what it is, but Carter/JRich doesn't look like a wash anymore: it looks like a downgrade.

I agree with all of the above, especially when Matt is talking about the dangers of going to Dwight down the stretch. Of course, the stretch doesn’t start with 9 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. There’s no excuse for not getting Dwight the ball early and often in the 3rd quarter and most of the 4th.

Right now, I feel like when I did when I was cheering for the Gators during the Ron Zook era. At the very end, every loss was a silver lining because I knew it would get him fired, and that would save the program (which is exactly what happened). I’m not quite there yet with the Magic, but it’s only a matter of time before I have to start looking for that silver lining regarding Otis. He took a Finals team….and well, did this to it.

Otis Smith, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard of. At no point in your rambling, incoherent trades were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having witnessed it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

by MoveThoseChains on Feb 12, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree wholeheartedly with what you said about needing to go into Dwight more, later

Carter/J-Rich I am still withholding judgment on until I see J-Rich in a playoff setting. I think most everyone can agree that Carter was always a good regular season player, but he hadn’t done much in the playoffs. And if he doesn’t do well in the playoffs I guess we just have to let that contract come off the books and see if we can get him back for cheap or work a sign & trade for him on draft day. Still really tough to speculate about anything past this season though with the new CBA

"But I'm still down with OPP."

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by JeffShann3 on Feb 12, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

J Rich is looking lost.

Maybe because SVG has not shown confidence down the stretch these last couple of games. I think it is now more imperative we get him going early before Dwight. Dwight has made himself, and can basically dictate offensively anytime he wants to now. Get the perimeter guys going first before Dwight. Dwight is gonna get his. Get J Rich going and Turk going. That’s what a change I could see needing to happen. Build their confidence. That is actually how we were winning during the streak. Also when Bass comes back I would really like if he backs up Howard. Not that he has done anything wrong, but he actually defends centers better than 4s. He has said this himself. Earl Clark did a great job on David West. He also was good on KG, Thaddeus Young and Blake. He has shown one he has the ability and two he has the want to play defense. He does not foul unrecklessly, like a Joe Alexander did, and he really try’s to minimize mistakes. His basketball IQ is actually fairly decent. We all know he likes to shoot and the offense slows down a lot, but he has been shooting at a better clip in these last few games with the heavier minutes. SVG really needs to think long and hard if he should cut his minutes when Bass comes back.

Roll Bass and War Ryno for me

by Mateo9399 on Feb 12, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not a good idea.

The perimeter players don’t get started until Dwight gets them open looks. Plus, getting Dwight going early can usually get an opposing big man or two in foul trouble early, affecting the way they play for the rest of the game. If anything, we should go to Dwight more in the early portion of the game. Now that he’s routinely eating single coverage for lunch, abuse the other frontline until they have no choice to double team or play third stringers against Dwight.

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by slickw143 on Feb 12, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Teams have figured out that, though

Let him get his – stay out on the shooters. Getting Dwight going early isn’t freeing up shots like it used to.

by eltharion_doa on Feb 12, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

It doesn't have to, if Dwight keeps punishing them.

They’re abandoning Dwight too early, even when he’s got it going on. They do it based on the intention of getting others going, but instead they’re still forcing contested shots. There was no reason to go away from Dwight abusing Gray and Mbenga until NO forced us to. We voluntarily go away from him too often because, as Stan said last night, we don’t have anyone who plays who doesn’t want the ball all the time.

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by slickw143 on Feb 12, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

When Dwight scores 80

And beats a team singlehandedly, that’s when teams will start doubling him again.

We were falling behind pumping it in to Dwight, which is why van Gundy went back to the PnR in the second half. That made up the difference, so he stuck with it. Stuck with it too long, no doubt, but would we have beaten the Hornets with Dwight getting 40 touches? I don’t know.

I’d like to see it, perhaps, just so we know one way or the other.

by eltharion_doa on Feb 12, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I think I agree with slick, I understand your wanting to come up with a tweaked game plan

in order to get our perimeter guys going and that makes sense but I am with slick that it shouldn’t come at the expense of Dwight. He really is a game changer when he gets early touches. Our guys are too good of shooters to continue to miss at this rate. If they get open looks from going into Dwight early and a kickout and ball swing, they will start to knock them down again. It’s tough to get yourself going with defenders draped all over you, and going into Dwight early leads to more open looks.

I personally would just like to see them attack the rim more. Getting to the FT line early for them is key, I think, because it gets them free, uninterrupted looks at the rim and they get to see the ball go in early in the game.

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by JeffShann3 on Feb 12, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd

I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.

by Redfield on Feb 12, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

dreadful way to loose a game

but I’m just going to be happy with what I saw from Earl Clark. He played damn well and really worked hard for the team.

by waleo on Feb 12, 2011 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

Lol. Losses really bring out the whacko in commentators.

All sorts of new user names in the doomsayer camp today. Welcome aboard, folks.

Don’t mind me, I’m just amused by how vehement some folks are getting about the losses.

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by magicfaninTN on Feb 12, 2011 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

THIS

"But I'm still down with OPP."

http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3

http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud

by JeffShann3 on Feb 12, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I get mad every time I see Willie Green make a shot.

He’s one of the worst players in the NBA and I cannot for the life of me understand how he’s still in the league. Losing a game when Jarrett Jack looks like a young Billups, Willie Green looks like Jordan, and David Andersen looks like Dirk is just the worst.

J-Rich really needs to, I dunno, not play or something right now. He’s a complete waste on defense, and right now his offense is horrible unless he’s in transition. I feel like Stan did after the game… mad at the team for their terrible execution, and mad at myself (for believing in this team at all).

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by slickw143 on Feb 12, 2011 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

He's in this league

Because he can put up 24 points in a game.

by eltharion_doa on Feb 12, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Anomoly.

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by slickw143 on Feb 12, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

No, not really

He’s a 14 points per 36 minutes, NBA average shooting type of player. That’s the kind of guy that can score points given minutes and shots, which is why he’s in the league.

by eltharion_doa on Feb 12, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate to put the blame on 1 person but SVG has to do something drastic to the lineup.

We are lucky to have 10 out of 12 (Excluding Duhon and Allen) guys who are offensively able. But defense is another story. If Stan truly believes d wins championships…he needs to put our most athletic and energetic players on the floor. If we have 4 3 point shooters in the floor with our reputation, we’re a predictable team. I’m thinking:

Nelson/Arenas (doesnt matter)
J-Rich
Clark
Bass
Howard

Now before you go nuts…this is NOT a starting lineup. Just something he should try from time to time. And RELAX on the threes!

by Memphissleek on Feb 12, 2011 2:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Redick is better than J-Rich.

By leaps and bounds right now. Especially on D.

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by slickw143 on Feb 12, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree. I just said J-rich because he's good in transition O.

I went with a mix of defense and energy. Redick would good with that type of lineup too for his D and IQ.

by Memphissleek on Feb 12, 2011 3:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing

and i would also like to see Clark start until Bass returns and is comfortable and has a rythem. Anderson at this point is only a offensive boost of the bench and we’d be able to match the length and size of the lakers with Howard and Clark. Arenas J.Rich Turk Clark and Howard kind of remind me of the 09 lineup of Alston Lee Turk Lewis and Howard bc we’d have to playmakers with ability to score…A defensive minded player to go along with Howard and scoring but only the 2 and 4 players mentalities are switched

by magicjunky2 on Feb 12, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Salaries don't work

And why would the Bobcats do that? They’ve already got a high volume “scoring” guard.

by eltharion_doa on Feb 12, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

MAAAAAAAYBE to get out from Wallace's contract. But I can only see them doing it if a) they fall further behind in the East and b) Orlando includes at least one good young player (Bass, Redick, Anderson, Clark)

I know they’re interested in Redick. Last year, Orlando had a Bass-for-Augustin trade on the table with Charlotte, and it almost happened, but at the last second the Bobcats asked for Redick, too, which would have given them the opportunity to send a bad contract to Orlando to make the salaries work.

Obviously, the Magic weren’t interested in making that deal.

Augustin, by the way, would’ve been a damn near ideal backup for this team.

by Evan Dunlap on Feb 12, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Wallace's contract that bad?

$10.5m a year for an elite defending wing who can score a bit seems OK to me and it only runs another year, or at most two if he takes up his player option.

by eltharion_doa on Feb 12, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Bobcats fans seem to be in love

with J.Rich and on some boards they feel like a trade of J.Rich and Orton with a pick for Wallace and Nazr would be great for both teams. The problem is could Wallace play the 2? i think a Arenas Wallace Turk Bass Howard lineup would be amazing and our bench would be 10 times better with Nelson JJ Clark Anderson Naz

by magicjunky2 on Feb 12, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Why exactly are you starting Arenas over Nelson?

Still think experimenting with JJ as SG some should be done. That said, it won’t be unless the Magic decide to resign J Rich because he loses trade value every day he doesn’t start.

by dukenilnil on Feb 12, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Aint trying to start an argument or anything but for SVG's system a crazy handle isn't that necessary is it?

I guess JJ’s got a little better but would say he got handle. And I can see J-Rich isn’t too comfortable handling the rock for too long, he’s a 2 whose strength is coming off screens.

by Memphissleek on Feb 12, 2011 10:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Richardson never turns the ball over, though

And Wallace isn’t an off screen shooter, so you’d expect him to have to do dribble penetration and make entry passes, which he’s not especially good at.

by eltharion_doa on Feb 13, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

You guys have good points. I guess I'm just different when it comes down to who plays what...

I don’t get these unwritten “rules” on why this player can’t play that position because….what’s wrong with changing up? It worked okay when Lewis played the 4. He had the height but not the strength but we made it work. How do you know he cant get it into Dwight? Because him and Okafor who has an (amazing?) post up game never really synced up. Do you really believe our offense would be handicapped with Wallace as a 2? Last time I checked the only person who could get it to D12 with no problem is JJ.

by Memphissleek on Feb 13, 2011 1:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think it's so much that there's rules

But certain players have certain capabilities, and I don’t think a Wallace/Turk combination at the wings is a good mesh of capabilities.

by eltharion_doa on Feb 13, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

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