Glen Davis Contract with Orlando Magic for Four Years, $26 Million, According to Reports
by Evan Dunlap on Dec 9, 2011 4:22 PM EST
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The Orlando Magic acquired Glen Davis from the Boston Celtics in a sign-and-trade deal involving Brandon Bass on Friday, and two reports now know the value and conditions of Davis' new deal. According to Marc J. Spears of Yahoo! Sports, Davis' contract with Orlando is worth $26 million over four seasons. Additionally, Josh Robbins of the Orlando Sentinel reports the contract includes neither a player option nor a team option.
Davis' deal is worth $2.5 million more annually than Bass' deal, which he signed for Orlando in 2009. Whether Davis represents that significant an upgrade over Bass has yet to be seen; I tend to believe the trade between Boston and Orlando benefits all parties involved, but Kelly Dwyer of Ball Don't Lie offers a dissenting view. "Davis is essentially a poor man's version of Bass," he writes, later adding, "Rarely do minor deals come this one-sided."
What do you think? Is $6.5 million annually a fair salary for Davis?
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If it really contributes to Dwight staying (doubtful)
Yes.
FEAR THE MEER!
by bandrewg08 on Dec 9, 2011 4:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Davis is an Upgrade
Davis is definitely the better player of the 2. He has a much better offensive game and more upside. But this is certainly nothing to get excited about. I am thrilled Arenas is gone! Now we have to wait and see how this Howard thing plays out. I honestly am not too excited about the trade packages that are supposedly on the table. I just really hope we don’t end up with that cripple Bynum. I think if they end up dealing with the Nets they might be able to dump Turkoglu as part of that package and add Brook Lopez and first rounders. But then again what do draft picks mean when your general manager is the guy who took Fran Vasquez over Danny Granger and Reece Gaines in the first round? Other then taking Shaq and Howard the Magic have pretty much been awful when it comes to drafting for the most part.
Brook Lopez certainly wouldn’t be anything to celebrate. But if they can unload Turkoglu’s contract in the deal then that would be the best thing if they cant keep Howard. I certainly wouldn’t buy a Brook Lopez jersey or pay money to see him play. But id still rather have him then that bum Bynum who is made out of glass and will continue to sit out 30-40 games per year with injuries.
next summer when Bass has choice to opt out - his salary will definitely change
Magic have Davis locked in at a reasonable price just as he’s entering his prime (25-29/30).
by MagicLA on Dec 9, 2011 4:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
bingo
May be 2.5 this year, but will likely be equal next year
by dukenilnil on Dec 9, 2011 4:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I disagree with Dwyer that it's that one sided.
But I don’t see Davis really adding much. I hope this doesn’t turn into an appeasement signing that nets us nothing like Antawn Jameson was for Cleveland.
I think this is a wash for both camps. I don’t really see it as an improvement for either. That being said, we did just use one of our best trade chips to bring in Glen Davis. I don’t think that’s what we had in mind when we were talking about big moves and roster shakeups.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
I agree with this. Davis even at equal salary to Bass seemed like a risky move (i.e., wieght issue).
The only pro is his contract is stretchable … but doesn’t the player have to agree to that, anyway?
Since
Boston signed him it shouldn’t count as using our mid-level right? Or does the increase in salary + our other signings today put us back over luxury tax?
What eventually happens to our cap and tax situation
has no bearing on whether we get to use our mid-level now, which is what I was asking. You stated that we used our mid-level on Davis. I don’t think we did, unless you meant indirectly by going by over the lux tax threshold as of today.
It isn't one sided at all. I'd say pretty fair all around.
Of course, well covered teams players (Celtics, Lakers, etc.) are always awesome right up until they get traded.
I’m guessing Dwyer never watched what a black hole Bass was on offense nor how confused he seemed on defense. Even if Davis is exactly the same, he at least LOOKS like he’s hustling and wants to be playing basketball. I honestly feel that counts for something.
Fingers crossed and beard still growing.
by EnnBee on Dec 9, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Negative Nancy is at it again
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." -Wilt Chamberlin
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 9, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
We all have no idea as to the impact this has on Dwight
Based on pure basketball talent alone, this is a bad trade for the Magic.
Supporting from Hawai'i
Why?
Stats nearly identical. Davis is bigger (can take time at C when needed) and more mobile (can guard quicker PFs).
At worst, this trade seems like a wash. I haven’t seen any concrete reasons to say otherwise beyond “Davis is fat.”
Fingers crossed and beard still growing.
They both take mid range jumpers, but Bass is a much better shooter. (Among other things)
Plus we’re paying Davis more than the mid-level exception for 4 years. If Dwight doesn’t stay, we’re stuck with a bad contract. Bass was only making $4mil AND he could have given us cap space for next summer!
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But Bass took way too many shots. Period.
Davis is a defensive upgrade and probably more willing to not shoot the ball every time he touches it. (I hope)
Fingers crossed and beard still growing.
by EnnBee on Dec 9, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that Davis is a defensive upgrade (slightly), although it seems he's not a better rebounder than Bass.
We have no idea if Davis is “more willing to not shoot the ball every time he touches it”. That’s something we’ll have to wait on. Davis takes his share of bad jumpers as well.
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Davis is as bad as Bass
He was a black hole on offense for the Celtics as well. Only he shoots horribly. Hope this trade was a welcome home present for Dwight.
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Bass is a way better player than Sir Flops Alot
Yes Davis is the Biggest flopper in the NBA. I feel bad for you guys, Otis Smith is on crack! Larry Hughes and Von “i celebrate missed dunks” Wafer, common man really. Im a Heat fan and I like our instate rivalry, even though you guys had a nice 5 year run kicking our azz. These moves make NO SENSE
LETS GO HEAT!!!!!!!
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Dwyer also said "This is why Howard hates [Otis]"
Which makes no sense at all, considering Davis was someone Howard asked for — by name — to play with.
I don’t know about Davis. I don’t think he helps all that much, but it’ll be nice to have an energy guy on defense to help Howard out. Hopefully with support from Howard in the paint his offense and rebounding stats can tick up some.
Also, as noted above my MagicLA…Bass’ cost is going to go up very soon, as he’s worth more than his contract right now.
The downside is that he was one of the Magic’s few remaining “good” trade chips. I guess if you count the trade as a wash — less offense & rebounding, more energy & defense — then at least you can say it’s a net positive because this fits Howard’s request. But it might have been nice to see Bass packaged with a draft pick or something to net a bigger fish.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 9, 2011 4:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Just wish we had a better sense of what motivated this deal.
Seems likely it had to do with keeping Howard happy.
I dunno
It’s really a lateral move as far as talent. I think Davis fits better than Bass.
$6.5 million is overpaying for him, but, what else is new.
Kelly Dwyer has never seen Bass play. 100% has never seen even a picture of Bass or heard his voice or read a recap from a single game he has played.
Dwyer literally calls the 6’7" Bass a center/forward tweener with obvous power forward size compared to the 6’9" Glen Davis.
Never has a seemingly minor article been so inconceivably ignorant of basketball knowledge.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 9, 2011 4:49 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I am going to have to agree
What was up with the blatant dislike of the Magic. It is pretty obvious Arenas and Turk are why everyone hates Otis. Baby hasn’t even gotten here to completely become a bust like every other trade in recent memory.
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Because all of the writers want to see Dwight go to a bigger stage
So, just like people who are unhappy in a relationship start coming up with all of the little reasons they hate the other person so they can justify cheating or leaving, the press does the same for the Magic.
I assure you if the Magic were to somehow learn Chris Paul we’d suddenly hear about his health concerns and wondering who was going to be “the man” for the team. Such a move would almost certainly mean Howard was headed to the Lakers or Nets and the Magic overpaid for a rental of CP3.
It’s ridiculous, but it’s predictable.
Fingers crossed and beard still growing.
So knowledgeable that one of Bass' strengths was being bigger than Davis though he is really 2 inches shorter.
That’s a pretty cold, hard fact to get wrong. Why would I lend credence to any of the opinions when simple, verifiable facts are completely off base?
Fingers crossed and beard still growing.
Really?
He reports on basketball in general, so yes he is informed, but that doesn’t make him right in this case. It doesn’t make him a specialist on the Magic in any sense either.
I am made of bits of real panther so you know I'm good.
Dwyer has a history of reliable reporting on Magic when others were not giving Magic credit when credit was due.
This time, he was careless on his fact checking, something Evan has pointed out, as well.
Dwyer is fine.
Most of the time.
Journalism ideally should constitute responsibly informing the public of events within the writers area of expertise. Arguments presented by the writer should hopefully be well reasoned, well researched, well written, and possess not the slightest hint of bias.
I feel comfortable that that piece fell short in almost every measure of good journalism and I think it’s fair to criticize journalists when they do fall short.
I threw a lot of hyperbole out there and borrowed some of the language from Dwyer’s article mostly to highlight how absurd what he was saying was.
And, while I’m sure Kelly would be delighted to know he has a faithful admirer in you. I don’t think he needs to be defended from lil’ ol’ me. :)
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 9, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think I'm going to puke!
How does this trade improve the magic? What skills is Glen Davis better at than Brandon Bass? Anything?…
From hollingers analysis of the guy we just gave $26 million to…
“It’s an interesting scenario as Davis heads into free agency, because the perception of him as a player is well ahead of the reality. He’s a solid, do-no-harm third or fourth big man who can defend a variety of frontcourt players reasonably well and space the floor with mid-range jump shots that occasionally go in. That’s not just last season; we have four years of data backing up the trend. Throw in his battles with his weight, and a rich long-term deal for him will end up being a mistake”.
by ap3604 on Dec 9, 2011 4:51 PM EST reply actions
hmm
his weight is a concern, but i believe he is a better fit for the Magic and a slightly better player than Bass. He rebounds better, is just as tough, brings just as much energy, and has hit big shots in the past.
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 9, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
No he doesn't...
Brandon Bass per 40 minutes:
- 17.3 points
- 8.6 rebounds
- 15.99 PER
Glen Davis per 40 min:
- 15.9 rebounds
- 7.4 rebounds
- 12.83 PER
by ap3604 on Dec 9, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Along with the decreased stats and productivity compared to Bass, he also has weight issues and is considered a selfish player by many...
Why again did we give this guy a 4 year contract compared to a 2 year contract with a better player?
by ap3604 on Dec 9, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
15.9 rebounds AND 7.4 rebounds? Hot damn
But seriously, this trade is crazy and I am beginning to despair.
I know Davis def cannot go for 40 minutes!
Shouldn’t this money have gone to Ryan Anderson a year from now?
by ap3604 on Dec 9, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Davis less effective jump shot but much better ball hander/passer
• True Shooting %
Bass .571
Davis .499
• Pass Rating
Bass .9
Davis 2.2
• Turnover and ball handling – Hands Rating
Bass 6.8
Davis 10.3
by MagicLA on Dec 9, 2011 5:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Other "Advanced stats"
TOV% (basically “turnovers per 100 plays”)
Davis – 8.5
Bass – 11.5
Defensive Win Shares:
Davis – 4.3
Bass – 3.2
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 9, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yea
i think he will be good for this offense because he can pass better than Bass… I will miss Bass’s ferocious dunks though…but whatever it takes to keep Dwight here, but this is not nearly enough obviously
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 9, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not so sure...
I don’t know that Davis passes better than Bass because I’ve never seen Bass pass the ball.
Fingers crossed and beard still growing.
by EnnBee on Dec 9, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
read this on realgm forum for the magic..i agree with this dudes analysis
Big Baby is a very unusual player.
Positives:
He’s got super quick feet, especially for such a huge guy. He’s amazingly nimble.
He’s the best in the league at taking charges.
He can play two positions.
He can’t be moved on defense.
He plays Dwight one on one- so you don’t have to worry about that anymore.
He’s got a nice baseline jumper.
He’s emotional and cares.
Negatives:
He’s got short arms.
He’s a poor rebounder.
He can’t seem to stay in shape and keep the weight off.
He sometimes says and does dumb things, like when he got in a fistfight with his supposed best friend and injured himself hitting the guy’s head. (yes.)
Good and Bad
When he’s good, he’s probably better than Bass. Overall, he may not be.
But… He streaky, and not in the normal sense: He goes through streaks that last for weeks or months where he plays really well, then puts on weight or gets worn down and plays poorly for weeks or months.
(For a while he was thought of a 6th man of the year candidate last year. Then the wheels came off.)
This is a good trade for both teams. It could make Dwight happy and add give Orlando a positive shake up. Boston could use Bass’s athleticism.
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 9, 2011 5:23 PM EST reply actions
His phyiscal conditioning...
I’m wondering if the fact that he and Howard are friends could end up helping here. Howard has a training ethic unlike anyone in the league. Hopefully through their freindship, Howard can motivate him to better condition himself for the season.
We’ll see.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 9, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
heres a youtube video of glenn davis highlights
i used to hate this guy on the Celtics but i always respected his game.. check out the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9dN-vPw4Dc&feature=player_embedded#!
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 9, 2011 5:28 PM EST reply actions
analyst are failing to factor in the Dwight Howard effect into Bass stats.
For his one-year rental in Beantown, Bass will be perfect as a first big man off the bench. While he isn’t on Davis’ level as a team defender, he’s strong enough to play as an undersized 5 just as Davis did. And offensively, these guys aren’t even close. Bass and Davis both shoot a lot of midrange jumpers; the difference is that Bass makes them. He has had a TS% of 56 for four straight seasons and averaged over 17.0 points per 40 minutes the past three.
no double/triple teaming Boston bigs like with Dwight
Glen Davis has arrived.
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Just touchdown in o town!!! Omg . Another chapter in my life is about to start!!! #godisgood #ayobaby
Davis is a more skillfull player.
Davis is a better passer than Bass and better playmaker. He has also proven to be clutch in pressure situations with Boston. Alot of people here are just looking at numbers but fail to take into account savvy basketball skills. Bass is a terrible passer and just kills ballmovent something you cannot say about Davis. Everything else pretty much a wash but I have more confidence in Davis than Bass.
by O-Town MagiCane on Dec 9, 2011 5:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Eddy Rivera on Davis trade:
“…Smith placated Howard, weakened Orlando as a team, wasted an asset, improved a conference rival, and gave away a good player on a fair contract for a bad one that’s overpaid.”
by Tim333 on Dec 9, 2011 6:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
hah
do you think he’s overreacting evan?
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 9, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
What I am getting from the media...
…is that Brandon Bass is an amazing player that no team could possibly afford to lose.
I had thought Dwight Howard was the Magic’s best player.
But this upcoming season as Bass earns Coach Rivers’ eternal respect with his heady defense and plays 36+ mpg averaging 23+ ppg & 12+ rpg it will really show me to under appreciate a once in a lifetime talent like Bass.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 9, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This is what I was talking about in another thread
I know Eddy Rivera isn’t the “national media” by any stretch, but to those guys, anyone a well covered teams get is amazing with flaws being overlooked and the smaller market teams are terrible. In fact, the more those larger market teams cover someone on the small market team, the worse everyone else on their roster is.
It’s disgusting the level of homerism practiced by outlets like ESPN under the guise of being “impartial.”
Fingers crossed and beard still growing.
Do you realize Eddy is a former writer here at OPP and runs the Magic Basketball Blog on ESPN?
He’s definitely a fan of the Magic, but giving his honest opinion.
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I do know that. I was in reply to the previous message...
The previous poster said “what I learned from the media.” I was talking about them, hence beginning with “I know Eddy isn’t the national media…”
I was just ranting about the lens major outlets like ESPN use to view the Magic as opposed to larger market teams.
Fingers crossed and beard still growing.
If Smith placated Howard
then how would that be weakening the team? If it ends up meaning Baby and Dwight vs. Orton and Bass, I think Babylooks like a much bigger asset.
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by Eric9321 on Dec 9, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What's the starting salary?
Is it 6.5 mil across the board or does it start smallish and gradually escalate (5 mil, 6, mil, 7 mil, and then 8 mil)?
Mainly I’m asking because if it 6.5 mil across the board, that means the Magic amnestied Gil to get under the cap and had to renounce J-Rich & Clark to make the trade work (I believe). If it starts at 5 mil, that means it is a straight up trade and Magic wouldn’t have to renounce J-Rich and he could either still be resigned or used in a sign/trade.
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
idk. I only said average annual salary. With 4.5% raises, or whatever, it'd start small and get big (pause?)
by Evan Dunlap on Dec 10, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
for saying that thing that she also said
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 10, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nooooooooooooooo. Not like this.
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
by 44792212 on Dec 9, 2011 7:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Check celticsblog
79% like the deal, while 11% undecided. 9% don’t like it.
So I am not optimistic. I think Bass = Davis skills level (Davis got blocked a lot). So why pay another 2.5mil for it? And we lose Bass the asset.
Bass is the better scorer, better rebounder, and much better shooter, but...
…Glen Davis is the better defender, passer, and commits fewer turnovers.
I thought Bass did a nice job for the Magic last season; hopefully Davis can come in and fit in nicely with the Magic.
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by Mike from Illinois on Dec 10, 2011 3:00 AM EST reply actions
Ultimate moderate voice, Mike. What about the difference in salary?
In my view, besides the obvious move of amnestying Arenas, Otis Smith has done nothing to improve the team. Davis’ acquisition is bad considering the difference in salary not to forget losing an asset piece, and Hughes’ is awful while Clark’s re-signing is in limbo. He, obviously presented Dwight with no incentives of planned future improvements to at least delay his quest for trade, and we were under the cap only for a short time in a season that should be signed off if Dwight leaves.
Otis is awful
This has been a complete mess. Fire Otis and get Dell Demps. That GM looks smart. Anyone from the freaking SA organization.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
nope
Overpayed for Lewis. Yes I always say we went to the finals, but lewis to here was a.done deal. And then he outbid himself. On top of drafting fran the year before over Granger. Then he traded away a first round pick that didn’t get us Kyle Lowry, but Rafer Alston. Didn’t resign Turk, fine. Traded garbage and Lee for Carter and Anderson. Good move. But then traded for Turk back at a worst contract then what you offered? Huh? Traded Lewis for Gil? What? Traded Bass for freaking big baby on the eve of potentially trading Dwight? WTF? Enough is enough.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
I'd rather have him make trades then just sit there
Trading Lee was stupid, but to get Carter, a “creator” that we needed, and Anderson was a good idea that just didn’t work out as well as it should have. I’m glad we got Anderson though. Getting Fran over Granger, again, was bad, but if he would’ve gotten Fran here to play next to Dwight we would’ve rivaled the Lakers in the frontcourt and Lewis would’ve been playing his natural role of SF. Not a bad line-up when you think about it. All-in-all, the moves he made were good in theory but didn’t work out in the long run. In contrast, these moves are supposedly bad so there’s a chance these could work as planned rather than blow up like the others. Either way, I say give it a chance and if our team is worse than it was last year, I’ll probably side with you and say fire Otis. But if the team clicks and starts playing like the Orlando Magic, I’m going to be happy he made the trades and hope we make a run. Gotta wait till we play some games though.
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by BigMac12111 on Dec 10, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno
The “better rebounder” thing has been catching on. Bass averaged .2 more rebounds per game. That is two-tenths of a rebound. Literally Bass got one more rebound than Davis did every five games.
I mean, can’t we call rebounding a wash? Does anyone really think that Bass was a significantly better rebounder than Davis?
Bass also didn’t seem to fit well in the Magic system or didn’t excel alongside Howard. His Rebound Rate and Defensive Rating were markedly higher with both New Orleans and Dallas and had a big drop off in Orlando.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 10, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Bass started
Davis was a bench player. Davis is a better passer, defender and rebounder. Technically a better fit here compared to Bass.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
The differences are marginal, in my view, but we are paying an extra $2.5M. Plus Bass was filling in for starter minutes, which I don't think Davis's body may take. In short, we have traded a starter for a bench player but are paying more.
Plus, the myth that Dwight wanted Davis is moot now – and Otis Smith must have known it for awhile – and since Dwight is leaving we should be shedding salary at any opportunity, not the other way around.
I'm just hoping Davis is the cornerstone piece New Orleans wants for CP3
I wish
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
Aside the fact that Dwight wanted him on the team...
… is there a possibility that Orlando maybe sees Anderson as our starter from now on(?) and considering how similar Bass and Anderson were in terms of what they can offer on the floor, both offensively and defensively, I think Big Baby is a much better option from the bench than Bass would be. This also assuming that Bass would be willing to come off the bench again. I think this was a fair trade for us, but we’ll see.
Paying him the extra money isn't the greatest thing ever.
But, Bass should have never been a starter.
We aren’t “trading a starter for a bench player”, so much as trading a player that would be your 8th best player on a good team for a player that would be your 8th best player on a good team.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 10, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
Except we are paying him more. Still didn’t like the trade. To me he does fit better, since you know he passes the damn ball(unlike Bass) but more money? Eh. Plus I don’t think Orlando should trade Dwight. Pierce and Kobe asked for trades. They have won 3 of the last four titles. Listen Dirk won a championship with a bunch of second bananas. If somehow we could trade for Steve Nash, I actually like our chances. Is he old? Yes. But his contract expires and still can dish out like nobody’s business. All these wing players the Magic signed tell me something has to happen right?
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
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