NBA Rumors: Dwight Howard Reportedly to Ask for Trade to New Jersey Nets
by Evan Dunlap on Dec 9, 2011 1:31 AM EST
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PrintDwight Howard will soon ask the Orlando Magic to trade him to the New Jersey Nets, Chris Broussard of ESPN reports, citing "sources close to the situation." Though Howard has yet to formally request the trade, his representatives have told the Nets he prefers to play there, and Howard could inform Orlando of his plans as soon as Friday. There's even a chance he won't be at Amway Center for the Magic's first practice of training camp, according to Broussard's report.
In this scenario, Howard holds all the cards, as he can become an unrestricted free agent in 2012 and New Jersey will have the cap space necessary to sign him outright. He can thus tell Orlando its options are to trade him there now or lose him to New Jersey this summer.
New Jersey will reportedly offer Brook Lopez and two future first-round draft picks to the Magic for Howard and Hedo Turkoglu, whose onerous contract has three years and roughly $34 million remaining. Such an offer relieves Orlando of its obligation to Turkoglu and gives it a solid center prospect around whom to rebuild. It also frees the Magic to use the amnesty clause in the new Collective Bargaining Agreement on Gilbert Arenas; with one move, Orlando could begin its rebuilding process, add a talented youngster, and clear over $48 million in salary off this season's books, according to ShamSports' salary figures. Its highest paid remaining player would be veteran point guard Jameer Nelson at $7.8 million.
Lopez, a seven-footer, has averaged 17.4 points and 7.6 rebounds in his three-year career to go wth 50.4 percent shooting and 1.7 blocks. He's also an uncommonly good free throw shooter for a big man, sinking 80.1 percent of his career free throw attempts. However, he struggled in 2010/11, averaging just six rebounds in 35.2 minutes per game and shooting 49.2 percent from the floor despite his size and strength. Still, he's just 23, plays a position where talent is scarce, and clearly has his best years ahead of him. He might be the best the Magic could hope to get in return for Howard.
Orlando made clear in recent days that it wants to keep Howard in Magic pinstripes for the rest of his career, and recent reports indicated Howard is open to that idea provided the Magic acquire more talented teammates for him. Perhaps something has changed in the interim, but according to Broussard, it's only a matter of time before the Dwight Howard Era ends in Orlando.
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...Huh. You know, if this is true, I'm strangely OK with it.
Obviously Dwight is an irreplaceable talent, but if he’s gone, he’s gone. I think I’d enjoy watching the Magic with Brook Lopez on the team.
Of course, we’re left to hope Otis Smith is sane enough to dump Gilbert Arenas right away and start rebuilding.
It's almost like we're losing Shaq and getting Rony Seikaly.
Except we don’t have Penny. Or Nick Anderson. Or Dennis Scott.
by Jtyler998 on Dec 9, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
The flashbacks are going to drive me mental.
The first Magic game I went to after Shaq was traded, a lady behind me kept saying ‘at least Felton Spencer can make free throws.’ It’s one of the most infuriating memories of my life. It’s all going to happen again.
by CaliFlorida on Dec 9, 2011 1:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Now that you mention it....
Brook’s a career 80% freethrow shooter!
Actually, we do have Nick Anderson.
Hell, suit him up. He couldn’t do much worse than some of our current players.
Do you think Mark Price rock a uniform too?
A backcourt with Anderson and Price…now that’s what I’m talking about!
This would open up a whole lot of questions about what really was said between Howard and Smith on Monday.
And Howard and Vander Weide that night.
So...
If he’s in camp tomorrow, this is obviously erroneous and we should believe what Bill Ingram told us yesterday?
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Only if the deal is done in the next few hours, which seems unlikely.
Otis isn’t a hair trigger guy, either, so even if Howard requests a trade I’d assume Otis would evaluate everything before he makes any kind of move. The Nets can wait.
Not necessarily
He could tell the Magic he wants to go to NJ but still be in camp. He’s under contract. He doesn’t have any leverage to sit out until the Magic do or do not trade him.
Live life to the fullest, and do it in the fast lane
Otis better be up trying to save Howard!
If he can’t convince Howard to at least stay around for a little longer while they try to find a way to pull in Monta or Andre then it really is over. If it’s true, I’M REALLY GOING TO MISS YOU DWIGHT!!!
In other news
Chris Broussard is already backtracking on his original sentiment.
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THANK YOU SWEET BABY JESUS!!!
Chris Broussard needs to learn to freaking report accurately already!
Yeah!
Who does he think he is anyway? Daralene Jones??
Finally, Gilbert Arenas can become the player he was meant to be!
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 9, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think we have to look at the reports Evan's been citing
According to those Dwight wants to stay if they can pull guys in to compete. I’m thinking that’s true.
The roster is a mess, and theyre way over the cap for obvious reasons with pieces that arent worth what we're paying for them.
I’d hate to see Dwight go, but im starting to think they’d be better off in the long run if they took step mentioned in the article.
We can still amnesty Gil
And then Hedo is the only major bad contract and we still have the BEST center in the NBA. If Otis can pull someone else in then it’s absolutely better than just rebuilding because we are right in contention for an NBA title.
Getting rid of both of them would only leave us near, or slightly below the cap according to an SBNation article i read earlier.
I’ll try looking for it.
How do you consider this backtracking?
The first tweet just suggests the Nets are looking at a backup in case the Howard deal “falls through”, implying a deal exists. And it in no way backtracks on the most telling rumor, which is that Howard will request a trade.
The second tweet is more of a joke. Stern vetoing the Lakers trade is unprecedented, so yeah, anything is possible.
But if Howard requested a trade, or is going to, none of this matters. It means everything we’ve heard coming from the Magic this week has been false.
He basically tweeted a recycled story that we already knew about last week
Other than the “Dwight will request a trade” prognostication, there’s nothing new here. And like I’ve said, I trust other reporters more than him, so until I see otherwise, I’m not buying into this.
I could obviously be wrong and wake up tomorrow and be upset, but my heart’s been hardened to all of this until things start to materialize.
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I can tell your heart is hardened, bro. Because this isn't a recycled story at all, if in fact Howard's reps contacted NJ.
That’s a huge development. And ESPN is reporting it pretty widely now.
Yeah, Dwight definitively stating his preference is a team with cap space is huge news.
I’m just waiting for another outlet to pick up or confirm the source before I jump off the proverbial bridge.
1) The trade was reported last week. It's the same deal.
2) ESPN does this. 1 of their guys says something and they all RT and repeat to support their guy (or girl)
3) If he was so confident in the deal being consumated as early as tomorrow, why even bring up factors about Nene not even 45 mins after you say the reps are contacting the team and Dwight will request a trade?
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Again, it isn't about the deal. It's about whether or not Howard's people have contacted NJ.
If Howard is making moves to leave Orlando, the writing is on the wall.
Again
Why are we to believe this guy over the other guy(s)?
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by JeffShann3 on Dec 9, 2011 2:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
At this point it is just a question of belief, I guess.
I just can’t shake the Vander Weide thing. It’s too strange. I believe he made one last desperate appeal to Howard, then walked away.
I believe Howard’s people were eyeing the CP3 to LA story closely, and when the bottom fell out they immediately contacted the Nets.
My question to that then is this
When that trade was derailed and Paul is (presumably) still needing to be traded, and the main reason for it being blocked apparently was because the teams feared a super team in another major market, wouldn’t that open it all up again for Orlando, not slam it shut?
The timing is just really odd for me to believe, that’s all.
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That's why I'm thinking the meeting on Monday went badly.
If Howard made it clear he wanted to leave, the last thing Otis Smith would do is go out and admit it. He’d go out and say the exact opposite in an attempt to fortify Howard’s trade value.
But maybe a front office executive leaning toward retirement would make one last call, after a few glasses of wine.
I mean to be fair, we're not talking a fan post here.
Chris Broussard idiot this, that, whatever — it’s still a major news outlet reporting the Magic and Dwight Howard are on life support.
If we're being fair
Why lean toward the guy who grasps at straws and the network that repeatedly refuses to give credit to reporters who break news first, instead they just cite “sources” over the group that lives and breathes basketball and basketball reporting?
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by JeffShann3 on Dec 9, 2011 2:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A Lopez-led Magic team would still keep us contenders
for the 1st pick in the 2012 NBA Draft.
FEAR THE MEER!
lol those were classic
….that’s gonna be us this year, isn’t it
Finally, Gilbert Arenas can become the player he was meant to be!
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 9, 2011 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't give significance to anything Broussard says
This whole off-season he’s either copied what CBS or Yahoo has already said, or said something not true, while citing “sources”.
Supporting from Hawai'i
sobbing forever
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OH GOD WHY?? DON’T LEAVE US, DWIGHT!!! *SOBS *
IT’S NEW JERSEY, FOR GOD’S SAKE!
Finally, Gilbert Arenas can become the player he was meant to be!
Can someone explain to me why Howard would want to play for New Jersey?
Maybe I’m stupid, but I don’t really don’t understand the attraction there.
This Brooklyn?
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DOH!
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by JeffShann3 on Dec 9, 2011 1:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
guess you haven't been to Brooklyn lately
not to mention its minutes from Manhattan.
Nope. Never actually.
It twas a joke.
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Yeah, spending on all the wrong things.
Namely Otis’s contract
And the Magic won't spend money?
Have you heard of Gilbert Arenas? lol
who knows ( ._.)
maybe it’s the beautiful Jersey atmosphere he likes.
Finally, Gilbert Arenas can become the player he was meant to be!
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 9, 2011 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe Dwight want to mutate his muscles further?
Living in jersey, he could become hulk-like
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
they said he could become anything
so he became a Net
Finally, Gilbert Arenas can become the player he was meant to be!
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 9, 2011 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
Net?
I never heard of that marvel character
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
not so much a character as an idea
you know, I had this whole lulz-worthy joke forming in my brain about Dwight and the Dark Knight and being the hero the cities needs/deserves, but I just can’t. I’m too tired.
You run with it, you’re funnier anyway.
Finally, Gilbert Arenas can become the player he was meant to be!
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 9, 2011 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
I'm uninspired
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
aw ( ._.)
Finally, Gilbert Arenas can become the player he was meant to be!
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 9, 2011 2:26 AM EST up reply actions
I think it's his best option personally
Winning situation, huge market, loaded owner, and it’s his team to define
Cause he doesn't define Orlando at all.
yeah okay.
by Vindibudd on Dec 9, 2011 1:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
screw, I'm never getting to bed now
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Finally, Gilbert Arenas can become the player he was meant to be!
screw it*
dammit
Finally, Gilbert Arenas can become the player he was meant to be!
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 9, 2011 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
I've had 4 hours of sleep in 2 days *sobs*
I was so excited for basketball season too
Finally, Gilbert Arenas can become the player he was meant to be!
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 9, 2011 1:59 AM EST up reply actions
this, pretty much
Finally, Gilbert Arenas can become the player he was meant to be!
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 9, 2011 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
I'm with JeffShann3
Waiting for more reliable sources. Billy King is no savant GM either. Travis Outlaw says hello.
"...sometimes your eyes lie to you..." ~SVG | I'm on Twitter
That was Thorn
Outlaw was signed a week before Billy was given the job
by SovietBrooklyn on Dec 9, 2011 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
And don't forget his brilliant career in Philadelphia
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
What kind of relationship does Martins have with Otis?
Because I think if Howard leaves, Otis Smith needs to fall on his sword. The idea of him rebuilding this franchise with all that cap space gives me a panic attack.
by Jtyler998 on Dec 9, 2011 2:14 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Otis said Wednesday it'd be impossible for him and Martin to work any more closely together.
So their relationship is good.
Even so, if Howard leaves on the heels of two seasons worth of disastrous personnel decisions, how does he not fire him?
by Jtyler998 on Dec 9, 2011 2:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I don't understand that myself.
If the Blazers can fire Kevin Pritchard for rehabilitating the franchise and assembling a core of great (albeit tragically injury-prone) talent, then how is Otis not being metaphorically drawn and quartered by the Orlando ownership?
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If the Magic is going to rebuild with draft picks
they have to fire Otis (bad picks). Pritchard is a really really good name available.
Isn't Pritchard on the Pacers' staff now?
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Otis Smith said a few things, awkwardly, that day. Martins is a smart guy, and if Dwight leaves in order to deal with the avalanche of fans outrage, he would cut Smith in a heartbeat.
Additionally, back to my idea of not meeting with Dwight before a “conceptual Framework” of team improvement is in place to be presented, if that meeting has gone just about at average level of goodwill, on both sides, such rush to ask for a trade does not seem logical. Last but not least, this may be a tactical move by Dwight’s agent to throw trade with a team – which has cap space – in the middle hence indicating that they are serious about being traded or he would walk.
Evan, I know you don’t like giving your opinion here. However, you have to agree that Otis needs to go if Dwight leaves. He admitted himself that he pushed all his chips to the center of the table when he swung for Turk, Richardson and Arenas. He was right, that was his shot at convincing Dwight to stay and the deal didn’t work out. You win some gambles and you lose some, that won was a bad beat.
If I told my boss that I went all in on a huge project at work and it lost the company its best asset along with millions in revenue I would be fired. If any one of you were my boss you’d fire me as well in fear of your own job security. In what business would that fly?
And don’t give me this crap about Brook Lopez being a good trading piece. Paul was able to swing Odom, Scola, Dragic and Martin. That’s how you trade a superstar.
One Freaken Second
by magic fanatic on Dec 9, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely agree with you 100%
See, common ground? ;D
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Agreed
Give me John Gabriel. That man knew how to rebuild a team.
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
Scouting director for the Knicks?
I think.
I wouldn’t mind Kevin Pritchard either.
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
That guy rebuilt an old and decrepit team into a good one within a year
Plus he gave us the heart & hustle team in that year of rebuilding. If it weren’t for grant hill’s bum ankle, who knew what would have happen.
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
by funny80sguy on Dec 9, 2011 2:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I always liked him
my dad just mentioned him when I was home for Thanksgiving, too.
Blargh :-/
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 9, 2011 2:41 AM EST up reply actions
How is mr. Squid anyway?
Tell him I said howdy-do.
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
my dad's good
we lost our cat Romeo a few months back and he took that pretty hard, but otherwise he’s well. Thanks for asking!
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 9, 2011 2:50 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry to hear that ( the cat, I mean)
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
John Gabriel also looked like he was a member of the mafia
I think agents feared him during negotiations (which was always a plus).
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
This is true, but did he miss out on any truly good players from where he drafted those years?
Honestly, I don’t remember. He drafted crap, but if there was only crap to pick from, he can hardly be blamed. I think his only good pick was mike miller.
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
Dwight has so much leverage
He’s gonna say “Trade me to NJ or let me walk”…i hope we get a high draft pick, this 2012 draft is so legit…i hope austin rivers declares too, if we could get him, it would make losing Dwight feel less painful
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 9, 2011 2:18 AM EST reply actions
you're kidding, right?
Austin Rivers is good, but come on. I’m assuming you watched him play in HS right?
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i think he can be a star
in the NBA one day…you dont?
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 9, 2011 2:25 AM EST up reply actions
The 2012 draft class is loaded.
A whole lot of guys who would have declared last year chose not to because of the lockout.
Rivers can’t compete with the best of them — not yet, anyway.
hmm o ok
im not a big college bball fan to be honest..i just usually look up players when the draft time comes
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 9, 2011 2:59 AM EST up reply actions
exactly
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Just a thought...
If we’re going to trade Dwight to a team with cap space to absorb a bad contract, like the Nets, Otis better get over his damn pride and insist that the other team take Gilbert. If they want our star they need to bite the poison and be stuck with Gil. It just doesn’t make sense to keep Gil over Hedo. Even if we use the amnesty, the guy will still be paid in full by the Magic (minus maybe the league minimum), so why keep the larger tab?
Supporting from Hawai'i
by 808duck on Dec 9, 2011 2:44 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Plus after amnestying Hedo, the magic could be about 15-20 mil under the cap. It won’t mean much this year but maybe we could sign somebody like Dwight Howard or deron Williams or something.
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
Next year, I mean
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
Bad idea
It’s better to keep and amnesty the worst contract you have.
If the Nets can take Arenas they can take Turkoglu + Duhon, for example. Maybe Q-Rich and/or Bass can also be included.
A third team can also be involved so the Magic can get more young talent and/or picks.
More cap space keeping Arenas and using the amnesty on him.
The Nets wouldn't be able to amnesty a contract they receive in a trade,
so while they’re ok with taking on a bad contract in order to get Dwight, I don’t think they’d be nearly as happy about taking on a historically awful albatross of a contract. Turk’s is bad enough.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 9, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Guess it's a moot point now. Gil is gone.
Supporting from Hawai'i
Remember the 95/96 season
There was a lockout before the 95’ season. Magic go to the finals, lose and then lose the best center in the league Shaq. 2011 season there is a lockout and we have the next Shaq one year away from leaving. I hate to lose D12 but I kinda want to see if history really repeats itself. I could get on board with Lopez and rebuilding but something in my head wonders if it could happen twice…
History repeating itself would be becoming nationally irrelevant for 10 years.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 9, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So many different rumors going around about D12...
I’m not going to believe anything until it actually happens.
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by Mike from Illinois on Dec 9, 2011 3:44 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
That's exactly my stance right now too.
Good ol’ Mike, always level-headed.
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Samesies
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OTIS has to go
If this deal goes ahead (which I think is crazy) Otis has to walk. I do not want him rebuilding my Magic team and the ability to offer more bad contracts to ex Golden State players. Looking back at all the moves made by Otis makes me sad. He sucks.
Also if we get Lopez, NJ gets D12 and Turk and we amnesty Gil we are then under the cap right? Does that mean we can then bid for other amnestied players?
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There is no way you ship out D12
As long as we host the All Star game. The worst scene would be Orlando fans booing basically the entire eastern starting lineup and it is an eastern conference team. The Nets picks are awful. One is protected better than a baby elephant in a pod, I think that’s what they call their groups, and the other would suck. Let him walk, unless they take Turk and Gil and give us Brooks. Not lopez the two guard rookie. Give us cap space now to make a move on Tyson Chandler. Then we sign Chris Paul next year.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
by Mateo9399 on Dec 9, 2011 6:05 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Question, do the Magic have their own 2012 pick?
Obviously any pick acquired from a team that is getting Dwight Howard will not be a good one, but do the Magic have their own?
If they decide to say it’s a rebuild year, win what they can, and possibly have 3 picks in the 2012 draft? Maybe a lottery pick, #16 (Rockets) and #23-25 Nets?
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A third team can be involved
Maybe the Magic can get more picks.
A young team will be fun to watch. And SVG will make them play defense.
dwight howard is acting like a loser
Dwyane Wade don’t whine for no superstar but Dwight Howard does. No offense Wade is a better leader than Howard at least Wade don’t cry like Howard does. Wade goes and get them himself and Howard is lazy,
Wonder is something like this will be part of Dwight and Otis' discussion
http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2010/07/magic_gm_otis_smith_says_he_th.html
Nice that this link is from a New Jersey site
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Another absurd proposal propagated
I keep hearing all these trade proposals that make no sense. We have to field a team this year, so trading away Dwight for cap relief is absurd. We will get cap relief once Dwight leaves in free agency, if he does decide to leave. The ridiculous part in all this is everyone talking about how it would be worth it to get rid of Hedo or Arenas, whom our current GM, who is still employed, just traded all our assets away for last year. Why in the heck should we trade Dwight to undo Otis’s mistakes, and let Otis make that trade?
I am made of bits of real panther so you know I'm good.
In the end
Otis will have traded a NBA Finals team for Anderson and Lopez.
Alston, Lee, Turkoglu, Lewis and Howard
6: Pietrus, 7: Redick, 8: Gortat
Lewis for Arenas => amnesty Arenas
Lee and Alston for Anderson and Vince => Vince, Pietrus and Gortat for Turk => Turk and Dwight for Lopez.
Redick is the only one left. With a bad contract of his own.
Really bad choices.
by fregonassi on Dec 9, 2011 9:08 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
That is absolutely amazing.
And the dude is STILL employed!
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It's not a good contract either.
It’s just an average contract. Would you rather have him at 5 yrs, $35 mill or Arron Afflalo at 5 yrs, $50 mill? That’s an honest question, by the way.
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This rumor doesn't make logical sense except if something drastic has happened after the press conference.
Assuming that there is any truth to this, we are shedding salaries of Dwight ($17,885,400) and Hedo ($10,600,000) to take back Lopez (3,076,983). But there is a huge gap of over $25M, and the question is what else NJ would offer? I don’t know how draft picks are calculated, but in any trade scenario we are receiving salaries back and unless they are promising young talents, we remain bloated with some undesirable contracts and potentially over the cap.
They're 18M under the cap for 2011/2012 right now
If they amnesty Outlaw (7M) they can take up to 25M in salaries.
No. The only way salaries have to match is if both teams are over the cap.
If a team is under, they can take on that amount that they are under before having to match the rest of the way. So if they’re under the cap by 25 mil after Outlaw amnesty, they could take it all on.
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by JeffShann3 on Dec 9, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
assuming of course they throw in another player who makes 3-4 million.
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Draft picks dont have "cash value"
So yeah essentially its a 3 million for 28+ million and picks. Then amnesty Gil. Its not terrible but I think as the season goes on, if this is what Dwight really wants there will be more, better offers.
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If I am understanding it correctly, a team which is under the cap could absorb up to the amount which they are under the cap, and then matching salaries process has to be observed.
If that is correct, then we may be better off to trade with teams under the cap because we could shed some salaries in the process, as well without having to take salaries back.
Yes indeed.
We should try to trade with the Cavs. See if Gilbert wants to try his hand at convincing another superstar to stay in Cleveland.
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yes sir
That’s why they need to take Turk and Gil/Duhon. Only I trade Jersey if they give us Lopez, Brooks(rookie) both picks.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
NJ's total salaries for this season is slightly under $40M meaning that they could absorb about $18M, and then salaries have to match
If they take Dwight and Hedo and give Lopez to us, they will be about $7M over the cap for which we have to take salaries back from them. It becomes more problematic for them if they had to absorb Arenas’ salary, which could lead to dumping some undesirable contracts on us.
If they sign Nene to a max deal, they will have no space left to re-sign Dwight.
/Crosses fingers.
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Lakers, Rockets and Hornets have all appealed the CP3 trade to the NBA.
Given Stern’s history, I’d say it’s doubtful that he’ll go back on his decision. But according to Marc Stein, the thrust of their argument is that if this trade doesn’t go through, CP3 can’t reasonably be traded to any other team.
It will be very interesting if the NBA does ultimately allow CP3 to go to the Lakers, and then Howard denies the NJ rumors.
I almost want to trade him
At least get something back for him, in case he leaves after the year……But if he does play for Orlando this year, we better win some damn games
BFIB
This could explain what the Magic front office is thinking right now.
An excerpt from Mark Cuban’s email to an ESPN reporter, regarding why the Mavericks are essentially letting their current championship team go, piece by piece.
“The reality is that in the new system, cap room will have far more value than it had in the past. I realize that everyone is all freaked out about how and where free agents and future free agents are going, but it’s not just about getting one guy.
We are not saving cap room in hope of that one super special free agent being there. It’s about being in the position to improve every year and possibly add some significant, younger players next year and in future years.
What I don’t think people understand is that once a team hits the tax level the ability to improve our team is reduced dramatically. In addition, your ability to make trades is reduced. So basically, if we made the move to keep everyone together with five-year deals, the team we have today is going to be the team we have for the next five years. If we were a young team it would be one thing. But we are not a young team."
Losing Howard is a big deal, for sure. But the new CBA does effectively change the game in the long run. Cap room will be king. And whatever you think about Otis Smith, I’m confident he’s smart enough to realize the Magic are not a young team, either.
by Jtyler998 on Dec 9, 2011 9:59 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Recommended ... minus [Otis Smith is] "smart enough".
by Matt1325 on Dec 9, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol true. But Cuban is right -- look at how encumbered the Magic are now with bloated albatross contracts.
Under the new CBA, the danger of this, and the potential consequences, are far worse.
Broussard now reporting a Howard to the Nets trade could happen today.
Also, pretty shocking, he’s reporting that Brandon Roy will announce medical retirement.
If and only if Dwight wants out....
1. Take the trade with New Jersey, Howard and Turk, for Lopez and two 1st rounders. BUT insist on adding Duhon for Johan Petro. That would give us an additional bench big (7-footer) and rid us of one year of Duhon’s contract (Duhon has 3 years left and Petro has 2).
2. Amnesty Arenas.
3. Then start moving some of the other players to start rebuilding:
Offer Nelson to the Kings for a draft pick. They are under the cap and can absorb his salary. Plus they need a PG so they can move Tyreke Evans to SG where he is a better fit.
Offer Bass to the Pacers for a draft pick. They are under the cap and can absorb his salary. They have been looking for a free agent PF and he would be a cheap alternative to spending big money on a free agent.
All of that would leave Redick as the highest paid player on the team at only $6.5 mil… FULL REBUILDING MODE.
The lineup:
C- Lopez, Petro
PF- Anderson, Orton
SF- Harper, Q
SG- Redick, Hughes
PG- Liggins, Pruitt
We would suck next year, but it would jump start the rebuild process with draft picks and salary cap space. Full youth movement, find out what these young guys got. Hughes and Pruitt are training camp invites that would make the team by default. Liggins played PG until he got to college, so he would take the reins there.
If we're losing Dwight I'd rather suck next year and get a good pick than be mediocre forever
Yugly.
We'd get a slew of picks, and have a ton of cap room to rebuild with trades and free agents.
But I don’t know if anyone trusts Otis Smith to build a team anymore.
Well, I know I don't trust him
I have no idea why he’s still employed. I dread him handling a Dwight trade, never mind a full rebuild.
Yugly.
The only person I trust in a rebuild is Stan.
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Ideally we would dump otis and keep SVG
I think he’d be a great coach for a bunch of young guys in a rebuild.
Yugly.
Your logic is totally legit.
But man that team is really, really really bad.
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Most of your stuff makes sense except I would keep Jameer
He’s a good locker room guy and a leader. I think he would be good for mentoring the young players.
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
Yeah, I keep Jameer unless a no-brainer offer is made.
Losing Howard/Turkoglu/Gil puts us like 28mil under the cap. Actually, isn’t there a minimum payroll of like 46 million?
Yes, that was another thought. There has to be a minimum team salary
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
Actually, the more I think about it, we might as well keep Gilbert for the year and amnesty next season
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
We could always amnesty gil after the season
With our luck though, he’d make just enough of a comeback to ruin our lottery pick.
Yugly.
Your amnestied salary counts towards the salary floor but not the tax
So Gil’s contract should cover any minimum salary concerns.
That said, I don’t want to do any of this unless 125% necessary.
Fingers crossed and beard still growing.
Yes there is. Each team MUST spend 85% of the cap - i.e. $49.3M (85% of teh $58M cap)
Good analysis here about all the stupid money that’s going to be thrown around just to try to meet that number
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7307298/the-first-day-nba-christmas
The players didn’t lose it all in the new CBA. Plenty of dumb contracts to still be signed
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Could this possibly end up like the Kobe situation years ago?
I mean he was just about completely out the door but the Lakers called his bluff and rebuilt the team around him to prominence.
I know we could end up with nothing but at the end of the season Howard would be financially inclined to stay in Orlando right?
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Haha, right.
If only we had a Kwame Brown. IF ONLY!
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Yeah, I'd rather call his bluff and see just how much he wants to leave.
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Chris Mannix reporting that the Nets have not contacted the Magic about Dwight Howard
Jarrod Rudolph is saying he spoke with a source that said Dwight will be in camp.
Another crazy idea.
Since we basically know the deal the Lakers and the Rockets want to make, could we try something like this with picks thrown in somewhere:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cjsfbo3
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No thanks,
We would give up better players than we would get.
by Green Bull on Dec 9, 2011 3:30 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
How bout
We pull off an insane 3 or 4 team trade to pull in Brook Lopez AND Chris Paul.
NJ isnt trading lopez for anything less than howard
they refused to trade him for carmelo last year.
btw- i agree with the guy saying magic should include duhon and demand petro
or a sign and trade with kris hump.
as a nets fan i don’t even think this will happen, i can’t imagine a superstar requesting a trade to the new jersey nets. remember guys this is coming from broussard.
by William_H_HOLLA on Dec 9, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah cause I was totally thinking that the Nets wouldn't get Howard (sarcasm)
It’d go something like magic get lopez and paul, nets get howard and maybe hedo, hornets get what they want to rebuild from the nets and magic (like jameer nelson, anthony morrow, petro, brandon bass, some picks).
This is a crap deal
if its NJ. New Orleans was about to get Lamar Odom, Luis Scola, Goran Dragic, Kevin Martin, and a 1st rd pick. This deal is Brook Lopez and 2 1st rd picks? No way.
If the Hornets can get a whole new team with 2 potential all stars, then the Magic should get the same.
Im talking about a Russell Westbrook and Kendrick Perkins for Dwight deal, an Eric Gordon and Chris Kaman with Minnesota’s unprotected 1st rd pick; something really big.
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by L Magico on Dec 9, 2011 11:41 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Buzz is that CP3 to Lakers deal may ultimately go through.
If it does, I’ll be surprised if the Howard to NJ talks continue.
I feel like, even though Dwight has been quiet, he knows exactly what he is doing.
He has been waiting for the CP3 deal to the Lakers to go through, and then once the season is over, he would sign there. I don’t think he has ever had any intentions of staying here long term.
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exactly what I was wondering....
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