NBA Rumors: Los Angeles Lakers, Clippers Seek Trades for Both Dwight Howard and Chris Paul
The Los Angeles Lakers and Los Angeles Clippers intend to aggressively pursue Orlando Magic center Dwight Howard and New Orleans Hornets point guard Chris Paul via trade, reports Chris Broussard of ESPN. The Lakers "hop[e] to pull off a pair of blockbuster moves that would rock the NBA," Broussard says, in acquiring its top center and top point guard, and have made everyone on their roster outside of Kobe Bryant available in trade discussions. "It is not clear whether they have spoken with Orlando," according to the report.
The Clippers are taking the same tactic, making everyone apart from Blake Griffin, reigning Rookie of the Year, available. Unlike their Staples Center roommates, however, the Clippers lack quality veteran talent to offer in a trade; the Lakers boast centers Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol, as well as do-everything gadget forward Lamar Odom, to offer to New Orleans and Orlando.
Teaming Howard and Paul would prove nightmarish for the rest of the league, given both players' proficiency in running the pick-and-roll and otherworldly defensive skill. Howard has taken home Defensive Player of the Year honors in each of the last three seasons, while Paul has led the league in steals per game in three of his six seasons. He averaged 15.9 points, 9.4 assists, and 2.4 steals in 2010/11, shooting 46.3 percent from the field.
Practically speaking, it seems unlikely that either Los Angeles squad could pull off a trade for both Howard and Paul, even when accounting for the wealth of the Lakers' assets.
Earlier Monday, Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reported Paul's representatives have informed the Hornets he does not intend to re-sign with them when he enters free agency this summer. Wojnarowski expects Howard's reps to express a similar sentiment to Orlando soon, as he, like Paul, is due to hit free agency. If that conversation transpires, it could set off a race between the Magic and Hornets to get the Lakers' best deal, which would center around the 24-year-old Bynum.
Other potential rumored destinations for Howard include the New Jersey Nets and Chicago Bulls.
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Just curious, how many other Magic fans also want to believe that letting Howard walk
is much better than sending him to the lakers? I’m still very scared that Dwight might leave Orlando, but I’d eventually move on from any other outcome than sending him to the lakers. Screw them.
Supporting from Hawai'i
by 808duck on Dec 6, 2011 3:06 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Well, letting Howard walk could mean letting him walk to the Lakers.
But I’m with you.
Explain, because at this moment, the lakers don't have the cap room to sign Dwight
Supporting from Hawai'i
The amnesty.
All the Lakers would have to do is amnesty Kobe Bryant (I think) to accomplish that.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
On 2nd thought, no that is not the case.
Orlando should stick it out with Howard, and try to find a trade to a team with cap room (Denver?) for Arenas. That would help some in retaining Howard long term.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You think they're going to amnesty Kobe?
Maybe in 3 years if he’s turned into gilbert arenas.
Supporting from Hawai'i
The Lakers don't even have a the MLE to sign Howard
There is no way they could clear enough cap room for Howard. In fact, no contender does. That is just one of many reasons the Magic shouldn’t deal him for anything less than a top 5 player.
Fingers crossed and beard still growing.
IT IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDSSSSS
IT GOES ON AND ON MY FRIENDSSSS
Finally, Gilbert Arenas can become the player he was meant to be!
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 6, 2011 3:50 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
I hear the Nuetral Planet is nice fine
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 6, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
♥
Finally, Gilbert Arenas can become the player he was meant to be!
by TheGiantSquid on Dec 6, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
STOP LISTENING TO CHRIS BROUSSARD
why do you listen to him? seriosuly. the guy is a joke of an nba “reporter”, he doesnt do anything to substantiate his claims and rumors and is obviosuly a pawn controleld by espn to cause contrevery and get people talking…stop giving him credit where none is due…i mean i really like this site because its a great read. honestly, if youre giving credit to anything he says idk if i can be a fan anymore. espn is a joke now, do some of youre own reporting from sources in ORLANDO…not a bias tv channel. thank you.
as opposed to a bias local writer?
Just saying, two sides to every coin.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
How soon til this guy gets banned? 7 more minutes? 3? Already?
Yeah, I’m goin’ with already.
You can't reason with stupid.
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Why don't you write something if you don't like it?
You can create your own fan post any time you want.
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 6, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
dang I was off by 2 minutes.
You can't reason with stupid.
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
and actually...
In an exclusive report yesterday by David Baumann from Bright House Sports Network, Baumann reported that Dwight Howard’s preference is to stay in Orlando and bring in another superstar to play alongside him. The big news in the report comes when Baumann states that he knows for a fact that Dwight and CP3 spoke on the phone earlier in the day…www.magicbasketballonline.com
what if...
Lakers trade for Paul with NO and Orlando keeps Dwight for the season. Is it financially possible for Paul to resign with Lakers and Dwight walk from Orlando and sign with them too?
Blue and White Ignite..... BOOM!
by poterajko on Dec 6, 2011 6:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Nope. Not even close.
Unless Dwight is taking the small MLE.
Fingers crossed and beard still growing.
Realistically, the Lakers have until the trade deadline to clear cap space for summer 2012.
Likely? No. Possible? Yep.
But then they’d have a stripped down roster. Not as attractive to a free agent.
"...sometimes your eyes lie to you..." ~SVG | I'm on Twitter
But how many teams are willing to take on their huge, free spending contracts for expiring players?
Also, Kobe’s salary is INSANELY huge. I’d have to look at the numbers, but I’m pretty sure he and Paul’s salary alone would preclude Dwight from getting much more than the MLE (the large one if they are under the tax).
Fingers crossed and beard still growing.
Thanks for the reply's
I really hope Dwight stays with us but I have this horrible feeling he won’t. I just pray he doesn’t go the the Lakers.
Blue and White Ignite..... BOOM!
Talent wise – there’s no way the Lakers should be able to turn Gasol, Bynum, & Odom, into Howard and Paul. Both the Magic and the Hornets would lose on those deals. Bynum has been injured to much in his career, and Gasol/Odom are on the downside of their careers.
That being said…. it still scares the hell out of me, because I know Espn will push this as hard as they can!
If we can’t get another star (Paul, etc), then just play out the season and let him try free agency. He’ll find there aren’t as many good options as he was hoping for.
by Justin85 on Dec 6, 2011 8:02 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
to be prudent, those three guys have delivered on two championship rings. sure, neither was the main catalyst on their respective team, but they were big pieces of the puzzle—particularly gasol. on the other hand, neither paul nor dwight have delivered any titles. i would even argue that gasol outplayed dwight during their finals match up—though this is not to say that gasol is better. but this is saying that those thee assets which the lakers are allegedly willing to offer are pretty darn good players. would i be happy if the lakers were to land howard? absolutely. but i’d be almost as happy if we kept our 3 bigs, because losing them all is a huge loss for any roster.
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
Is there ANYONE in Orlando that would even be interested in P Gasol and Odom?
So we’d be giving up D12, who we can still build around, for a few aging players on the tail end of their careers. Gasol is 31 and Odom is 32. History shows stats would start to decline very soon if not this year. I sure as hell wouldn’t be interested in going to a geriatrics movement that’s not going to win a title. If we feel we must shop Dwight (only do so if he flat out says he’s not resigning) then we need to go for youth and rebuild.
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List of things which are making me sick
1. Aside from an “unnamed confidant” absolutely no stories about what Dwight is going to do from Dwight.
2. Every team seems to be driven to improve their team BUT the Magic. Nate Robinson? Please.
3. Otis says he hasn’t decided what he’s going to do about the amnesty clause. I guess all these months off wasn’t enough time to think of a gameplan? At least say you have some options already in the works but saying you haven’t decided makes you look shiftless.
4. The Magic seems content to sit back and allow the rest of the NBA to pick them apart like vultures. They didn’t see this coming either?
5. The lack of willingness to build some positive PR. Hell, throw a rumor out there that you’re going balls to the wall for Paul and Deron is #2, build some hope within your fanbase.
6. The Orlando Sentinel’s reporters suck and depend on other sites to create their own news unless they’re giving their own worthless opinion.
Evan
I think an interesting column for you to write would be one that details which teams would be able to sign Dwight outright if Orlando does not trade him. You understand the salary cap (at least the old one) a bit better than I do. Without every team amnestying their highest paid player, it seems like only 2 or 3 teams could go after him with a legit shot. When I look at the salaries it seems like the Clippers have set themselves up nicely for the 2012 free agent class, but teams like Dallas and Golden State would have to spend the year cutting space for Dwight. I’d be interested to hear your take on it.
One Freaken Second
At this point...I'm interested to here Evan's take on anything other than trade rumors.
I’m so sick of reading story after story consisting of nothing but hearsay and annonymous sources that are most likley rooted in selfish motivations of that source. Thank god the Magic hired Mark Price yesterday, or I surely would have jumped in front of a train.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 6, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry man...
I appreciate the work involved in keeping track on all this stuff. I get that it’s not easy, particularly given the current Magic/Howard situation. But you’re one of my favorite sports writers and I’d love to see some stories about things other than the trade rumormill — it wasn’t a knock on you, more on the dearth of information (other than trade talk) from any outlet.
I’d love to see a recap of Harper’s time in France and how you feel his skills will carry over to the NBA, for instance.
I understand that Howard’s future is the most important story because it has the most impact on the Magic. I’m not saying don’t cover it. It’s certainly news. I also understand that other than trade rumors there’s not a ton of info out there until training camp starts. I’d just like to see some “basketball” stories, if even just to break up the trade posts.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 6, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm just hoping the trade/FA stuff gets sorted out before the season starts
I’m not concerned about it now, but I really, really, really don’t want this dragging on through the season.
Yugly.
Agreed 1000x.
I also hope that it ends with Howard staying with the Magic.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 6, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'l take it dragging out all season if it means he ends up staying.
If it means he gets traded, that would suck.
You can't reason with stupid.
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I wonder
Will Howard also call Orlando a “dried up pond” when he goes to the Lakers?
"Generally, when I draw the play, it's just who's going where. Maybe I have not made it clear enough that we would like the ball to go in the basket."
by AB's triple double on Dec 6, 2011 9:49 AM EST reply actions
I don't think Dwight wants that animosity.
Dwight wants to be liked by everybody, where I think Shaq enjoyed poking at people to a degree.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
Not so sure.
Dwight has already (basically) said that Orlando has lousy basketball fans. So, I don’t think he really cares what anyone here thinks of him.
Well, he wasn't lying about that.
Magic fans are lousy overall.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
If I were the GM I'd ....
focus all my energy on bringing in CP3 or another star player to try to keep D12
.
Things coming out in the press about the Magic being interested in Jamal Crawford, Nate Robinson and having JRich be Otis’ top priority (from Otis’ mouth) are, in my view, not in the direction the Magic should head. I’d prefer to start the season with the roster we have (other than the amnesty of Arenas) and NOT be in the free agent market for players that are not going to put us over the top. The current roster is not strong enough to make a deep playoff run. We still wouldn’t with any additional lower free agent talent.
We can not afford more multi-year, high dollar contract signings for marginal players. We’ve done that. Didn’t work.
What the Heat experience showed last year was that with the right stars as a base there are many others that will sign for less money. The Heat made the finals with this strategy. Even if we hate them, they are a good team. If we had a combo of D12 and CP3 I could see guys like Crawford and JRich wanting to come to Orlando for less money than they’d want from us right now.
I say the paradigm of how to build a contending team has shifted. It’s not about general free agent signings and trying to bring in good individual players at each position as was done in the past. Get two top stars and build around them with others that want to come play with them and are willing to take less money in order to have a chance to win a ring.
CP3 and D12 can be the start of a dream team. Great P&R combo. ‘Melo and Stoudamire in NY – not so much. ‘Melo isn’t efficient enough and wants the ball in his hands too much.
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The funny thing about this post...
“I say the paradigm of how to build a contending team has shifted. It’s not about general free agent signings and trying to bring in good individual players at each position as was done in the past. Get two top stars and build around them with others that want to come play with them and are willing to take less money in order to have a chance to win a ring.”
Consdering that Dallas (team built through good individual players at each position and one superstar – Dirk) beat Miami (3 superfriends with “others”) for a ring just last year…I find this paragraph amusing.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 6, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
So you think ...
- the Magic would be better off just building pieces around Dwight and not going after a clear 2nd star?
Yes – of course Dallas had a good year. BUT I think the Lakers with Kobe/Shaq, the Heat with Wade/Shaq and the Boston big 3 might also prove my point that building around just one player may have its limitations
Live life to the fullest, and do it in the fast lane
UCLA_Alum is right
Dallas won after several years of struggling, finding the right pieces; their failed for years and got lucky at their last shot. That’s the hard way to win. Miami took the easy path, 3 megastars and BOOM, right to the NBA finals! And they had a legit chance of winning it all.
So yeah, we could go little by little and try to win the hard way. Or we could trade for CP3 (if possible) and instantly become contenders.
As UCLA said, stars bring good players for cheap, while a “consistent plan” doesn’t. Mc Grady wasn’t lured by a young and promising Dwight Howard, he went for Shao. And like it or not, that is how most player thinks.
I wasn't disagreeing (completely).
Merely pointing out the humor of him making the “paradigm change” claim while the current NBA champions don’t fit that mold, but in fact overcame that mold.
On the flip side, I don’t agree with his (and your) point of view 100%. It’s true that some players would be willing to take slightly less money in order to join up with a couple superstars to win a title…it’s not enough of a draw to build an all-star team in the NBA. Otherwise it would have happened already. Heck, it would have happened last year with Miami.
“Superstars” generally aren’t willing to give up tens of millions of dollars to “join” forces. At least, they haven’t been in the past. Somone ran the #s for CP3, and to join the Knicks, he’s looking at giving up something like nearly $40 MILLION over the course of his next contract (that’s not accounting for taxes, either). He may really, REALLY like NY and he may really, REALLY think a ring is winable there. But that’s a metric-F-ton of money.
“Very good” players would have to accept being paid like they were on the second unit or role players. That’s a pretty big pay cut for a guy in his prime…again probably millions of dollars. And a few million to these guys is a large portion of what they make…not like Howard who can shave off several mill a year and still be bringing home double-digit millions.
“Mid-level” and “Role” guys can do it, but again you have to take into account that they will likely NEVER make huge money. So turning down real dollars on their contract in a “career” that they can only expect to work for 5-8 years has to be accounted for. That said, this is really the most poachable group in terms of likelyhood of getting them vs. help on the court.
“Low-rung” guys are easy, they’d love to go join LeBron and Wade, or play 3rd string Guard for the Lakers. But they were already, and they are so cheap salary wise that they aren’t really cap problems anyways. The only difference for them is that there is more competition now because they’ll have a bigger role on the “superfriends” team…thus more of them want to be there.
“Veterans” are up there with Mid-Level" guys, as they are seeing their careers coming to a close and want one last shot to get a (or another) ring. They’ll take a bit less because their on their way out, but the flip side is that they are likely not playing their best basketball either.
I dunno…maybe the evil Miami trinity will have a domino effect where superstars start taking less money and it trickles down to other players. But that situation could have happend anytime over the last several decades. It hasn’t yet, mainly because money is a powerful motivator and an NBA career is generally a short one. You have to make what you can before you get tossed out on your butt. That hasn’t changed.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 6, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think this is mostly wishful thinking by the national media, but...
If this were to ever happen, I think I’m done with the NBA. This would be so clearly orchestrated by the league to get 2 superstars in L.A. How does the league (that owns the Hornets) escape such suspicion?
They may as well force OKC to send Durant to Chicago so we can have all the good players in Miami, Chicago, NY and L.A. Who needs the other 26 teams?
Seriously, the only way this happens is if Otis takes a really, really bad deal (a high probability, I admit) such as Dwight straight up for Bynum and let L.A. make a reasonable offer to the Hornets to save face for Stern. Or else, offer us a still crappy Bynum/Odom deal and have nothing really left for the Hornets and the league basically gift CP3 to the Lakers (which Stern would be very happy to do).
This whole thing is frustrating. And I’m about fed up. Dwight has 1 year on his contract left and I expect the Magic to give us that year. NO TRADES! If he chooses to leave via FA then so be it. It’s his right. But, we have a new, half-billion dollar arena that is going to be 2/3 empty if Dwight is gone. We want our year. NO TRADES!
I went to the very first Magic preseason game and the first regular season game oh so many years ago but this is it. This is my line in the sand.
by Lion7two on Dec 6, 2011 10:40 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Is there any chance New Orleans is just as likely to refrain from taking on big, aging contracts (Gasol/Odom) or a risky big (Bynum) when they have Okafor on lock?
And would rather acquire trade assets (Redick/Nelson/Bass) or young, cheap talent with upside (Anderson/Orton) that they can put toward a total rebuilding effort?
In short, is there any way Otis Smith can work a deal with New Orleans?
Ever since the Magic were put on the Xmas schedule, I like to think...
That there is a conspiracy that the league is planning to trade Chris Paul to the Magic to drum up even more interest this upcoming season. Then again, like most conspiracy theorists, I’m probably being a crackpot.
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the the Lakers to suffer.
by funny80sguy on Dec 6, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Meh, if you want to be logical about it.
So be it.
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the the Lakers to suffer.
You're absolutely right that there's conspiracy from the league.
The problem is that they have no intention of improving the Orlando Magic from it. It’s the exact opposite.
Supporting from Hawai'i
so would 28 other teams in the league
why would otis want a center who is always hurt, an old lamar odom, and the ugly kardashian at all their games? broussard is a blow hard, i wouldn’t take this seriously orl fans.
by William_H_HOLLA on Dec 6, 2011 12:08 PM EST reply actions
I always thought khloe got a bum rap.
Sure she is not as striking as her two sisters, but she is actually really attractive.
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the the Lakers to suffer.
lol.....wut??????????
"Generally, when I draw the play, it's just who's going where. Maybe I have not made it clear enough that we would like the ball to go in the basket."
by AB's triple double on Dec 6, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
This is just laughable.
That is really the only analysis that can be made of LA trying to trade for Dwight AND CP3.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
Proud Jameer and Rashard apologist since '07
Is it possible the Magic could work to clear cap room via trades and amnesty, and work on Howard and CP3 or Deron Williams behind the scenes to re-sign after the season?
Miami had no guarantees that Wade would re-sign, or that they’d get either Bosh or Lebron. But they made it happen.
Does anyone know how much money we’d have to clear to realistically pull this off?
Just enough to sign one FA to a max contract.
Which would require a lot of player movement based on the current roster and contracts. But it is possible.
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Both Paul and Williams have expressed a desire to play with Howard.
Seems like there has got to be a way to make that happen in Orlando.
it is possible, not easy and essentially kills this season but possible
(1) Prior to trade deadline: trade Nelson (7.8), Bass (4.0), Anderson (2.3) Q Rich (2.6) and Duhon (3.5) for expiring contracts = minus 20.2 mil.
(2) At seasons end you amnesty Arenas (20.8m) + not pick up Orton’s (1.1) or JJ’s (6.2) options = minus $28.1 mil.
(3) Renounce all free agents (the expiring contracts) acquired from earlier trades so that there are no cap holds
• That clears $48.3 million
(4) Dwight opts out (minus 19.4m) but because of 150% cap hold on free agents that (adds $29.3m)
• That leaves only Hedo’s (11.8) and Dwight’s (29.3 cap hold) on the Magic payroll (Total = 41.1 million or 16.9 million under the cap).
(5) Sign either CP3 or DWill to a max contract which for both of them (first year is 16.3 million).
• This leaves the Magic payroll at around $57.5 million; still below the salary cap ($58 million)
(6) Use the MLE – since the Magic are under the cap they are eligible for a $5.75M MLE (can split or use on 1 player)
• This takes the Magic payroll over the cap to around $64 million in total payroll.
(7) Per Bird Rights we resign Dwight for max contract
• Then use minimum vet contracts + rookie contracts to fill out the roster
CP3 or DWill / VET
VET / VET
Hedo / Harper
MLE / VET
Howard / VET
by MagicLA on Dec 6, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Now if Arenas restructures then it creates a different option (yes that is a BIG IF)
(1) Prior to trade deadline: trade Nelson (7.8), Bass (4), Anderson 2.25), Q Rich (2.6) & Duhon (3.5) for exp. contracts = minus 20.2 million
(2) At seasons end amnesty Hedo (12.0) + do not pick up Orton’s (1.1) or JJ’s (6.2) options = minus $19.3 million
• That clears $39.5 million
(3) Renounce all free agents (the expiring contracts) acquired from earlier trades so that there are no cap holds
(4) Dwight opts out (minus 19.4m) but because of 150% cap hold on free agents that (adds $29.3m)
(5) Arenas restructures using the new Stretch Provision as a guideline: 8 / 8.25 / 8.5 / 8.75 / 9 = 5yr / $43m
• That leaves Arena’s salary (8.0) and Dwight’s (29.3 cap hold) on the Magic payroll (Total = 37.3 million or 20.7 million under the cap).
(6) Sign either CP3 or DWill to a max contract which for both of them (first year is 16.3 million).
• This leaves the Magic payroll at around $53.6 million; approximately (4.4million) below the salary cap ($58 million)
(7) Sign a player for up to (4.4 million first year salary) * without exceeding salary cap
(8) Use the MLE – since the Magic are under the cap they are eligible for a $5.75M MLE (can split or use on 1 player)
• This takes the Magic payroll over the cap to around $65 million in total payroll.
(9) Per Bird Rights we resign Dwight for max contract
• Then use minimum vet contracts + rookie contracts to fill out the roster – something like this:
Paul or Williams / Arenas
$4.4 FA / Arenas
VET / Harper
MLE / VET
Howard / VET
by MagicLA on Dec 6, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice breakdown
As you mentioned, it wouldn’t be easy. But it would be worth it in my opinion.
I just hope the Magic don’t roll over and concede Howard to a big market team.
by Justin85 on Dec 6, 2011 8:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
OTIS HAS RUINED THE MAGIC...
IF HOWARD LEAVES FIRE OTIS,THOSE TRADES LAST SEASON WERE TERRIBLE THEN AND TERRIBLE NOW,J-RICH WAS THE ONLY DECENT PART OF THAT TRADE, WE’RE DOOMED WITH THIS CRAPPY ASS TEAM
lolwut
Maybe Bob Vander Weide not the only one communicating about the Magic after drinking?
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 6, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I've lurked around here for a couple of years
And I’ve really never seen the need to comment, because in general someone writes a comment or asks a question that I would.
But now that the whole D. Howard leaving thing has escalated, I haven’t seen someone ask/propose this.
If you are resigned to the fact that Howard is leaving, and he has stated where he would prefer to go, and you want to honor that for him and to get best value for your team. And correct me if I’m wrong, I thought he said he preferred to go to LA, New York (area I guess), or Chicago. Wouldn’t a Howard for B. Griffin, and extra pieces trade really be the only thing to consider? I realize that the Clippers have said take anybody but Griffin, but who would say no to that trade, LA or Orlando? Orlando has one of the top 3 players in the league (arguably) and to me Bynum, and Gasol just don’t offer fair value.
The whole C. Anthony fiasco I think really has warped the sense of value of players to not only fans, but teams also. I really don’t think he is a “star” player, despite what ESPN wants me to believe.
Magic Johnson even said yesterday that Bynum and Gasol were nothing more than role players to the Lakers. How does that equal to D. Howard?
So I propose this:
D. Howard, Turkoglu traded to the Clippers for C. Kaman, B. Griffin, and E. Gordon
(If a trade is inevitable)
According to the ESPN trade machine this wouldn’t affect the Clippers win percentage, and it would take 2 wins away from the Magic. Fair? I really do think the NBA should have worked in some kind of compensatory picks for teams that lose star players. Not only would this still let players go where they want, but it would at least offset some of the loss of small market teams. And when I say compensatory I mean losing D. Howard should get the Magic a top 3 pick, and Orlando should be able to do whatever they want with it.
Thanks I just wanted to get that off my chest.
Glory Glory
Also, Dwight (reportedly) says no.
And now apparently the Clippers are realizing that a Howard/Griffin combo, while completely and utterly dominant in dunk totals, don’t fit very well and they’d lose Gordon.
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and i am not quite sure i understand the disdain demonstrated towards some of us lakers fans. is it because we are from los angeles and therefore root for our hometown team? that would be as senseless as if i were to feel disdain towards magic fans because they are from orlando and who naturally feel inclined to root for the magic.
this much i do know: i’ve frequented this blog because i love the reporting, and mostly admire the fanbase and their intelligent opinions. not at all here to stir trouble.
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
Most Laker fans (I’m not directing this at you) seem to have a sense of entitlement that drives other fan bases crazy. just because your team has a history of winning doesn’t mean that every other team should just bow to their commands. It doesn’t help that every person on Espn wants all the great players to play in LA so they can have their storylines. Add those factors together and that’s where a lot of the disdain comes from.
The entitlement is what drive me the craziest.
by Justin85 on Dec 6, 2011 9:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Most lakers fans are fake.
Use baseless arguments, and now expect Bynum to be equal value for Howard. I would rather suck for three years than take anything the Lakers have to offer.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me

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