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Orlando Magic 94, New Jersey Nets 78

Behind 16 points, 24 rebounds, and three blocked shots from center Dwight Howard, the Orlando Magic cruised past the New Jersey Nets, 94-78, on Thursday to run their record to 2-1 on the season. The Magic limited the Nets to 37.7 percent shooting and forced 15 turnovers. Were it not for a defensive lapse late in the first half and an offensive drought in the fourth quarter, Orlando could have taken this one by 30 points or more.

Ryan Anderson led Orlando with 22 points against his former team, while J.J. Redick continued his strong play off the Magic's bench with 15 points in 23 minutes. Generally speaking, Orlando moved the ball well--it tallied 25 assists on its 36 baskets--even when starting point guard Jameer Nelson was on the bench. A neck injury suffered early in the second half forced him to leave the game for good, but backup Chris Duhon acquitted himself in his 28 minutes.

The lone Net for whom the Magic hadn't an answer was rookie scoring guard MarShon Brooks, who poured in 17 points in 21 minutes, including 10 points on 4-of-5 shooting in the second period to bring New Jersey back to within striking distance of Orlando. Brooks' quick first step enabled him to generate separation from his man with ease, and with Howard sidelined due to foul trouble, the Magic had no one inside to challenge him near the rim.

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Team Pace Efficiency eFG% FT Rate OReb% TO Rate
Nets 90.9 85.8 41.6% 18.2 21.4 16.5
Magic 90.9 103.4 50.0% 16.0 23.9 14.3
Green denotes a stat better than the team's 2010/11 average;
red denotes a stat worse than the team's 2010/11 average.

Apart from Brooks' second-period flurry, however, the Nets failed to get much going offensively. Playing All-Star point guard Deron Williams off the ball, as coach Avery Johnson elected to do for some stretches Thursday, did little to ignite New Jersey's offense. The team moved the ball reasonably well in spurts, getting some decent looks in the corners and on the baselines for some of the night, but too often the Nets played one-on-one offensively, with poor spacing and off-ball movement to boot. To the Magic's credit, they closed out on the Nets' shooters well all evening, but there's more to the Nets' poor offense than what Orlando did defensively.

Contrast New Jersey's approach with Orlando's and there's little wonder the Magic won more than twice as many games as the Nets did last season. The Magic kept the ball moving and the Nets guessing for most of the night. Redick, serving as a secondary ballhandler with Hedo Turkoglu initiating the offense in Nelson's absence, made several great feeds, finishing with three assists, while Turkoglu added seven. Howard's presence in the pivot opens the Magic's offense up, of course, as he commands attention from multiple defenders, and not merely his own. But that's true in every game. On Thursday, Orlando did an excellent job of leveraging the Nets' extra attention on Howard against them. That model is one for which it should strive as the season progresses, no matter the opponent.

Jason Richardson played a role in Orlando's solid offensive night as well. Though he needed 14 shot attempts and six free throws to notch his 16 points, Richardson played to his strengths offensively. He fired away from beyond the arc just three times, instead making a concerted effort to drive to the rim and draw contact. Though he doesn't have the jets or hops he did during his Slam Dunk-winning days, Richardson still has enough left to create his own shot. It helps that noted turnstile Anthony Morrow was assigned to cover him, but again, credit him for taking advantage of the situation and not settling for anything.

And a few words on Duhon: yeah, it's a little odd that a guy known as a pass-first point guard winds up being the tertiary ballhandler when he's on the floor--Turkoglu and Redick took turns bringing the ball up--but hey, it worked, at least on Thursday. All Orlando asks of Duhon is that he reads the defense properly and knocks down an open shot every now and again. That's what Duhon did against the Nets, drilling three open three-pointers off the catch for nine points on the night. He is, in effect, playing the role Derek Fisher does with the Los Angeles Lakers. It seems to suit him. Duhon, by the way, has four triples through three games; he made 13 threes all of last season.

Sure, it would have been nice if Orlando had managed to keep Brooks out of the paint during his eight-minute stint in the second period. And it would have been nice if the Magic could have shot more accurately from the field; the fact that I'm praising their offense in a game in which they failed to score at the rate they did last season is not lost on me. But they took care of business, as the saying goes, on their home floor against a team they ought to have beat. That'll do.

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great game

awesome ball movement, the arena was super loud, Richardson had 15 in the first half but couldnt make a shot rest of the way

by Magical-OverHauL on Dec 30, 2011 7:29 AM EST reply actions  

What's gotten into Doohon the last two games?

He did a complete 540 here. He’s playing aggressively, pushing the pace, not being completely sloppy with the ball, actually taking an open shot when presented with one (and making a couple of them!). If he can play like this, then it will make a huge difference on the rotations Stan can use for the team. In fact, the change is so dramatic that it’s unsettling, as if the Dark Arts must have been involved.

I hope Jameer is okay though.

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by slickw143 on Dec 30, 2011 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

We even had a debate about what to do about it

Is he feeding off our hate? If so, do we maintain the hate to keep his play up? Would we be jinxing his play if we start showing appreciation? It’s a true dilemma.

If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, it better be for Gasol & Bynum and 2 picks, and the Lakers better take Duhon & Turkoglu (I'll miss you, Hedo!!!)l.

by funny80sguy on Dec 30, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

My hate shall ne're be ebbed

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Dec 30, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Duhon's play last year necessitated getting Arenas.

How’s that make everyone feel?

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by magicfaninTN on Dec 30, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

All of our guys other than Dwight played below their potential last year

If everyone could lift their game to where it ought to be (nothing unrealistic) then this team could be really good.

Yugly.

by aakks on Dec 30, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

dont use the P word when Nets fans are present

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Dec 30, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

This is very much true.

And even more so in the playoffs with both SGs injured and well under 100%.

Can we just start playing games on the court already?!

by EnnBee on Dec 30, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Bummed I missed this game.

Is it just me, or does it seem like Ryan Anderson and JJ Redick have both really elevated themselves this year? JJ has been just as consistant as he’s always been, but is also consistantly better than we’ve ever seen him before. Anderson is becoming the stud that many thought he could be right before our eyes. I know, I know…it’s only 3 games, but if those two can keep up this near this level of play, the year could get very very interesting.

I mean…look at these numbers:

Redick ACTUAL: 14.3 ppg, 2.3 rbs, 2 apg (54%FG, 55%3FG, 91% FT — 70%TS)
Redick PER36: 20.8 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 2.9 apg

Anderson ACTUAL: 18.3 ppg, 6 rpg (47.5%FG, 44%3FG, 86%FT — 64%TS)
Anderson PER36: 21 ppg, 6.9 rpg

Great to see these guys breaking out.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 30, 2011 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

These percentages are unsustainable.

But if those two can shoot even at around 42% from 3pt range it would be huge.

Redick has been especially impressive to me this season. The guy just gets better every year. What a hard worker.

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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 30, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

*gag*

Fetch me a crocodile sandwich and make it snappy!

by TheGiantSquid on Dec 30, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

TheGiantSquid.

I read the game thread from last night. I saw your declaration of love for JJ. You’re out of the Redick closet now. There’s no going back.

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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 30, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Oh Squid dont turn to drugs in hopes of forgetting

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Dec 30, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

well played, sir

well played

Fetch me a crocodile sandwich and make it snappy!

by TheGiantSquid on Dec 30, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Unsustainable I agree with. It's a tiny sample size.

However…it’s worth noting that both of them have had a bad game. JJ went 0-3 against OKC (0-2, 3PT), with only 8 points all from FTs (8-8) — his TS% was still at 60% because of his FTs. Anderson didn’t shoot very well against Houston, going 3-9 from the field and only 2-8 from 3PT range.

No one can expect a player in the NBA to hold at 70%TS, going 55% from 3PT range for an entire season. But I think 18/6 @ ~45%FG from Anderson is entirely possible, as is 14/2/2 from Redick off the bench night after night. That combination is some solid production.

Anderson has been “almost” there for the last 2 seasons. Who knows, maybe he’ll still crash and burn. But hopefully he is just finally becoming the player Magic fans thought he could be. Redick just continues to add to his game. He’s running offensive sets better, he’s developing a darn good off-the-dribble pull up shot, and he even seems a bit quicker this year and able to get more seperation (though to getting “more” seperation off the dribble wasn’t a super-high bar to clear for JJ).

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 30, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I still dont understand why SVG doesnt use JJ like Boston uses Ray Allen or Detroit used Rip Hamilton

Those 2 players have similar athleticism as JJ…

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Dec 30, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh definitely.

That contribution would be great. And they are off to a great start. Which, hey, let’s hope they can keep it up.

My only concern about hoping for 18ppg from Ryan is that I still don’t think he’s a very complete offensive player yet. Even other scorers that relied heavily on the 3 (Reggie Miller, Michael Redd, Ray Allen, Rashard Lewis) had more tricks up their sleeve. I haven’t seen much of that from Anderson yet. And I think that if he continues to score the way he’s scoring that opposing teams are going to catch on and adjust their defense which I don’t think Anderson has the tools to counter.

To me 14ppg / 8rpg / 47%FG / 42%3pt would be a fantastic year for Ryan.

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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 30, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know, I think he's showing more than the 3pt shot.

I recall seeing him inside the paint more this year than before. Just look at the tough and-1 he got against the Nets. He cut to the basket when he recognized he man was out of position, Turk threw in a pass, and Anderson made a nice pump-fake deep in the paint to get the foul and still sank the basket.

Sure, it’s not his normal play and he’s not driving to the basket off the dribble or posting up every trip down the floor. But I think he has shown more wililngness to come off the 3pt line when the situation has called for it, which is a start.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 30, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe so.

His 3pt-to-2pt ratio is slightly more 2-pointy. (65% of his shots were 3’s last year, this year 62.5%)

And he’s making them at a better percentage. (53.3% versus 50.0%)

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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 30, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

the scoring stats will go up and down

but what has been impressive is Redick’s ball movement and his own court movement has been extra sharp – much quicker and decisive reactions …and he’s definitely finishing at the basket a whole lot better.

Anderson looks the same to me – the additional minutes don’t seem to have affected his offensive productivity, so that is a plus. But his game is so reliant on whether his shots fall or not – and right now they are falling – so it might be a little to early to judge.

In all other aspects he looks the same, no real improvement on intangibles…but most importantly – defensively he still is not strong enough to be disruptive or instinctively quick enough in his movements to compensate for that… So if his shots stop falling, the current optimism will turn south quick.

by MagicLA on Dec 30, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree.

If Anderson has taken a step forward this year it is simply a refinement of his outside shooting ability. Which if that is the case. Great. But if the early hot shooting doesn’t continue he looks more or less like the same player.

I will say that I am slightly disappointed in his rebounding. Last year he got 5.5 rebounds in 22 minutes. This year he’s getting 6.0 in 32 minutes.

Still early though.

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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 30, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Rebounding issues.

I guess that’s true…Anderson can certainly haul in more rebounds than 6 per game with the minutes he’s playing. SVG has started harping on that more and more.

I think he will start rounding out more as the season continues on. I hope, at least.

I’d hate to lose the offensive production though — especially considering the lack of consistant offense is what’s sunk the Magic time and time again for the past couple seasons.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 30, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

You have to also consider that he is playing more minutes with Dwight

Which means less rebounding opportunities even with more minutes. Last year, he had more opportunities because typically he was in when Dwight was taking a breather. I would only be concerned with his rebounding if his guy were collecting offensive rebounds.

If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, it better be for Gasol & Bynum and 2 picks, and the Lakers better take Duhon & Turkoglu (I'll miss you, Hedo!!!)l.

by funny80sguy on Dec 30, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Hmmmmm

Maybe.
The Nets had 9 offensive rebounds, their season average is 12.

Humphries had 0 offensive rebounds, his season average is 3.

But six per game still seems low to me. I mean, a game where Dwight gets a hundred rebounds is a bad example. Obviously the ball was bouncing his way all game.

Over the course of the whole season I think he needs to pick it up a bit if he is going to play 32 mpg.

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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 30, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

It's almost entirely on the defensive end, though

On a per-36 minute basis, his ORB was 3.3 last year, 3.1 this year. DRB was 5.7 last year, is 3.8 so far this year. Since the team’s overall DRB rate is above league average, someone else is getting the rebounds Anderson used to get. Number 12 is the usual suspect.

Bob.

by The Dark on Dec 30, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Partially true.

In the post-game presser SVG mentioned the same thing…but he noted that Turk and Nelson both had decent rebounding numbers relative to their position, even while Howard was grabbing rebounds like it was going out of style.

In reality he should be grabbing more than 6 as a starting PF in the NBA — especially considering he’s always been known as a good rebounder. Averaging a couple more a night is not just doable for him at this point, it’s expected.

Though…let’s not confuse expectations with poor play. He certainly isn’t playing poorly. It’s not a complaint of him doing badly, just a nudge that he can do better.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 30, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

There is also the sample size problem.

Can we just start playing games on the court already?!

by EnnBee on Dec 30, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure why Redick’s stats are unsustainable. He’s hitting open shots, he’s driving to the basket and finishing.

by Randall1178 on Dec 30, 2011 12:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well.

Just for perspective the all-time 3pt% record is 52% by Steve Kerr. He would break the record by three percentage points.

That would be a pretty insane display of shooting.

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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 30, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

It's so tough because it only takes a couple bad games to drag down the percentage.

That being said, JJ seems to be taking better shots behind the 3PT line this year. He’s less afraid to be chased off it, so sometimes rather than heaving up a slightly tougher shot (thus missing more and bringing down his %), he puts the ball on the floor and either drives or initiates ball movement.

That should help hold his % up, as smarter shot-selection helps efficency a great deal.

That said…52% on a season is still crazy. Beating that by multiple percentage points would be unheard of. Possible? Maybe. Likely? Goodness no. But could JJ stay above 50% for the season? I can see that as a possibilty. If he can avoid any more than a handful of really bad nights or a multigame slump…he could do it.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 30, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

His shooting stroke is as pure as anyone who has ever played the game.

That said his career 3pt% is right at 40%.

The crazy thing about that is that 40% seems low for him. Like, somehow some part of me feels he should be shooting 45% or even higher. (he does have a line of shooting instructional tapes after all)

So do I think it’s possible that he could shoot a super high percentage? Yes.
Do I think it’s possible he could shoot his average 40%? Yes.

I don’t know. I think everything. But I’m cautiously optimistic. Which I almost never am.

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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 30, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Last season, Redick started out horribly shooting threes

In the first nine games, he was an awful 3 of 25 (12%) from long range.

Shortly after that, he went on a 17 game tear where he shot an amazing 40 of 69 (58%) from long range, before leveling off the rest of the way.

It really hurt the Magic that Redick missed the final 17 games of the season due to his abdominal injury. When he came back in the playoffs, he shot just 1 of 15 from three point range in the six games against Atlanta. He obviously wasn’t himself.

Great to see Redick back and 100% healthy this season.

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by Mike from Illinois on Dec 30, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I misread it …I was thinking just his level of play not his percentage numbers

by Randall1178 on Dec 31, 2011 11:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Defense the name of the game for the Magic against the Nets

In not one quarter did the Magic allow the Nets to shoot 50% or better from the field. The Magic set the tone for the game in the first quarter holding NJ to 6 of 23 (26.1%) shooting while connecting on 11 of 20 field goals (55%) themselves.

The Magic had 25 assists on 36 made field goals, which indicates how well they moved the ball on offense, even though they did not shoot particularly well after the first quarter (41% on 25 of 61 shooting).

This was the fifth game of Dwight Howard’s career that he has grabbed at least 24 rebounds in a game.

The three three point field goals by Chris Duhon was his high for three pointers in a Magic uniform. Heck, he made as many as two in a game only twice last season.

The opposing team’s star player had a rough night shooting, just like Monday night’s game against the Rockets when Kevin Martin shot 1 for 10 against the Magic. This time, Deron Williams shot just 2 for 12 from the field, which was the fourth-worst shooting game of his career in games where he’s attempted at least ten field goals in a game.

The only major negative for the Magic in this game was Howard’s free throw shooting. With his 2 for 9 on free throws, he is now an icy 8 of 22 from the line in three games. His 36.4% is nearly 24 points behind his career FT percentage. He will get fouled only more harder and frequently by opposing teams wanting to see him at the free throw line more.

Hopefully, these three games are just a blip concerning D12’s FT shooting, and he will wind up shooting close to his career percentage of 60% from the line.

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by Mike from Illinois on Dec 30, 2011 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

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