Orlando -vs- Dallas -vs- Brooklyn

by MagicLA on Dec 29, 2011 1:47 AM EST

••• DALLAS MAVERICKS •••

• Roster (under contract w/o team ability to remove) on June 2012: Nowitzki (21m), Marion (8.4m), Haywood (8.3m)

• Total Salary $37.7 million = Total Cap Space: $20.3 *does not include cap holds or options

• Because Dallas has not used its amnesty provision they can waive Brendan Haywood's $8.3 million contract, giving Dallas $28.6 million of cap space to split between Howard and DWill or $14.3 million each.

*they can amnesty Shawn Marion's $8.4million contract giving Dallas $28.7 million of cap space to split between Howard and DWill or $14.35 million each. This would allow them to trade center Brendan Haywood's ($8.3) + Dallas will also have Rodrigue Beabois and Dominique Jones on small (2 yr) team option contracts so those could be included with Haywood and that should net them a very solid player in return.

• Possible roster additions: Lamar Odom (8.1 Team Option) - but can't be used if using cap space for DWill/D12

The Dallas roster with entire cap used + available $3m MLE + available min/vet contracts would be:

(PG) D Williams / ?

(G) ? / ?

(SF) S Marion* /

(PF) D Nowitzki /

(C) D Howard / ?

*** It is very likely Jason Kidd and Jason Terry would resign for vet minimum

Dallas Intangibles:

• highest rated franchise in terms of market strength (link)

• Texas has no state tax (individual or corporate)

• Warm climate

• 4th largest metropolitan area in US (after NY, LA , Chicago)

• Dallas/Fort Worth is the 5th-largest media market in the United States (after NY, LA, Chicago, SF/Oak) – Orlando is 13th

• Deron Williams is from Dallas

••• BROOKLYN NETS •••

• Roster (under contract w/o team ability to remove) in June 2012: Farmar (4.25m) Morrow (4m) Brooks (1.2) Williams (3.2) Petro (3.5m) = Total Salary $16.15 m = Cap Space: $41.85m *does not include cap holds or options

• Nets have used their amnesty provision

• Nets can offer both DWill and Dwight Howard max deals ($16.3m) and still have 9.25m cap space available

• Possible roster additions: D James (1.3 TO), B Lopez (RFA), K Humphries (UFA-bird)

The Brooklyn roster + 9.25m cap space + 5.75m MLE + min/vet contracts:

(PG) D Will / J Farmar

(SG) A Morrow / M Brooks

(SF) S Williams /

(PF) ? / Petro

(C) D Howard / B Lopez (RFA)

Brooklyn intagibles:

• New arena and essentially a new franchise in legendary borough of Brooklyn

• endless entertainment industry and media attention to satisfy Howard's thirst for that

• its New York City - Dwight and Deron are both young millionaires ...

••• ORLANDO MAGIC •••

• Roster (under contract w/o team ability to remove) in June 2012: Nelson (7.9m), Duhon (4.0m), Q Rich (2.6), JRich (5.8m), Hedo (11.4), Harper (1.2), Clarke (1.0), Orton (1.2) = Total Salary $35.1million = 22.9 million Cap Space *does not include cap holds or options

• Orlando has used its amnesty provision

• Orlando has Bird rights for R Anderson (RFA) and D Howard (UFA)

• Earl Clarke and Jameer Nelson have Player Options

• Possible roster additions: JJ Redick (6.1 TO), R Anderson (RFA-bird)

The Orlando roster with entire cap space used + 3m MLE + min/vet contracts :

(PG) J Nelson / C Duhon

(SG) J Rich / Q Rich / JJ Redick (TO)

(SF) H Turkoglu / J Harper

(PF) G Davis / E Clarke / R Anderson (RFA)

(C) D Howard / D Orton

Orlando intangibles:

• Florida has no state tax (individual)

• warm climate

EDIT: Deron Williams speaks about his free agency (big market vs small market) -

NY Daily News Link (1/1/2012)

Williams said he’s never been advised by Nike on how a location would boost his marketing value, and he doesn’t envision himself commanding the type of cachet that reportedly landed Derrick Rose a $250 million deal with Adidas, even as Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov is promising global stardom. Without such a lucrative endorsement deal, Williams hinted that the high cost of living in New York — where he rents a SoHo townhouse — offsets the smaller monetary bonuses of playing in a big market.

“I’m sure I could make a couple more hundreds of thousands or something like that a year (on endorsements), or maybe a $1 million per year,” said the 27-year-old, who is married with four children. “But you could go somewhere in Florida or Texas and you’re not losing 8% state tax, plus you don’t have a city tax, plus the cost of living isn’t two times higher than anywhere else.”

...ultimately it relies on something that’s eluded the Nets the last five years. “Win. That’s the only thing I can think of,” he said. “I’m already averaging 20 and 10.”

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I was excited about our cap space for a split second

Until I realized that Dwight’s 18-odd million wasn’t included (if he were to re-sign). But looking at that, even if Dwight were to leave without us getting compensation, I kinda like the potential to rebuild with decent cap space.

Turk & Jameer will hold the locker room together for a season for what will most likely be a lottery, non-playoff season, and then all the Magic would need to do is draft the most dominant center ever in 2013. Easy as that, and we’ll be set again and back in the Finals.

If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, it better be for Gasol & Bynum and 2 picks, and the Lakers better take Duhon & Turkoglu (I'll miss you, Hedo!!!)l.

by funny80sguy on Dec 29, 2011 11:05 AM EST reply actions

No problem

I mean we’ve already gotten 2 once in a generation centers in the draft, if I extrapolate we’ll obviously get the next once in a generation center.

Yugly.

by aakks on Dec 29, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions

Exactly!

Come to think about it, we’re actually due in about 4-5 years, so my 2013 estimate for our once in a generation center might have been a tad optimistic. Dwight came 12 years after Shaq, so since Dwight was drafted in 2004, we are looking at 2016 as the most likely date to get our new center.

If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, it better be for Gasol & Bynum and 2 picks, and the Lakers better take Duhon & Turkoglu (I'll miss you, Hedo!!!)l.

by funny80sguy on Dec 29, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions

I forgot about the amnesty with Dallas

Shoot. I thought they were in the lead for Dwight before and I think they can get DWill. Dallas looks like the best destination for both players.

"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.

by L Magico on Dec 29, 2011 2:41 PM EST reply actions

Not only that but DWill is from Dallas.

Dallas is also the highest rated franchise in terms of market strength (LINK)

Plus (these factors trump some of the advantages Orlando has):

• Texas has no state tax (individual or corporate)
• Warm climate
• 4th largest metropolitan area in US (after NY, LA , Chicago)
• Dallas/Fort Worth is the 5th-largest media market in the United States (after NY, LA, Chicago, SF/Oak) – Orlando is 13th
• rabid fan base….Orlando, not so much. see this picture for evidence

It does not take a brain surgeon to see the landscape that Dwight Howard and his advisors are seeing. The Magic front office is also seeing that same landscape.

Outside of a solid commitment, I can not see how Dwight is here past the trade deadline. He has, not one, but two better roster and city options than anything Orlando could offer as of right now. If we let this scenario drag past the deadline, a sign and trade is the only option. But Dallas and Brooklyn will not have good draft picks now or in the future; and they do not have young players (with the exception of Lopez who is a RFA. So at best we get a huge trade exception or the right to outbid other teams for a center coming off a severe foot injury.

by MagicLA on Dec 29, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions

I live in Dallas

and while they have a large fan base for sure, they are far from rabid. Their lower bowl is more wine and cheese than Orlando’s by far.

by Satch30 on Dec 30, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions

they always seem that way on TV – but I guess every crowd gets up for nationally televised games since they are usually key games vs rivals or good teams.

by MagicLA on Dec 30, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions

This. There's a pretty large lipo and botox crowd in the lower bowl.

I don't get the whole 'pop-tart cats pooping rainbows thing,' but then, I'm old. So, there it is.

by Redfield on Dec 31, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions

It's "Clark" not "Clarke".

It’s worth noting that the Nets would likely use Brook Lopez to try and fill out the SG position if they were to sign Howard as a FA. He’d be a waste to use for only 8-10 minutes behind Howard — especially where there are so many other holes in the Nets’ roster. If they got Howard without losing Lopez, I’d imagine he’d be on the block to find a better wingman and servicable backup center…easily a deal worth it for another team to land a center of Lopez’s quality (all dependent on his health, of course).

As for Dallas — wow…that’s crazy. D-Will, Dirk, and Howard all in a starting lineup. Marion isn’t too shabby either, though he’s getting up there in years. A D-Will/Kidd PG lineup would probably rank top of the league as a PG rotation. They could afford to focus on getting an SG or two with high defensive marks, and that’d be one heck of a team.

It really seems like Orlando’s best/only hope is the combination of the young talent they have (Clark/Harper/Orton/Liggins) developing into solid contributors, maybe a stud or two, and the fact that they can offer a LOT more money. Apart from that, a great run this year and/or a great trade by Otis…it’s tough to see Howard being able to convince himself to stay. I do think the odds of him staying is slightly higher than many would think…but I’m certainly not blind to the fact that it’s not looking like the most likley option right now.

Also — I have to say — the Nets getting destroyed by ATL, then walloped by the Magic couldn’t have helped sell them to Howard. Even without a solid center in Lopez, these were pathetic performances. Even with the caveat “if Howard was there they’d do much better”, that team doesn’t look like it’ll be a contender for a couple years. If Howard wants a ring now, Dallas certainly has to look more promising than NJ considering their existing talent and financial situation.

by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 30, 2011 10:14 AM EST reply actions

...quality players chasing a ring would flock to play for vet min in Dallas

you’d have to think 35 year old Jason Terry and (to a lesser likelihood but also 33 year old Odom) sign up along with J Kidd to end their careers where they’ve lived for years to play on what looks to be a very potent championship level team.

by MagicLA on Dec 30, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions

…also Marion is still a pretty good defender, passer and rebounder who can guard SF/PF’s

by MagicLA on Dec 30, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions

Point of Clarification

Orlando has one really big incentive. If they hold Dwight past deadline then Howard stands to lose $30 million. You could argue it is offset by the increase in endorsement revenue,but if the magic are winning and in discussion to win ECC by march…who knows!!

by OrlLove on Jan 1, 2012 10:13 PM EST reply actions

One more run?

Chicago will be a good test, but if the magic can defeat the big teams in the east , Devos family might decide to go for it this year regardless of what Dwight wants so long as he plays hard. They want a championship and that in itself might keep him in Otown. Really hope he stays but I’d rather see him in Dallas a million times over than go start a new franchise in NY. Come on NY already has a team and they are called the Knicks. Plus how can u not like Dirk.

PS you can add this to Dallas intangible list….if the mavs got Dwill and Dwight they would be called the big D in 3-D or perhaps 4-D, which would then cause Mark Cuban to fill out all the rest of the roster spots with players having one of their names beginning with D. Sorry for rant running on fumes.

by OrlLove on Jan 1, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions

Deron Williams speaks about his free agency (big market vs small market):

NY Daily News Link (1/1/2012)

Williams said he’s never been advised by Nike on how a location would boost his marketing value, and he doesn’t envision himself commanding the type of cachet that reportedly landed Derrick Rose a $250 million deal with Adidas, even as Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov is promising global stardom. Without such a lucrative endorsement deal, Williams hinted that the high cost of living in New York — where he rents a SoHo townhouse — offsets the smaller monetary bonuses of playing in a big market.

"I’m sure I could make a couple more hundreds of thousands or something like that a year (on endorsements), or maybe a $1 million per year," said the 27-year-old, who is married with four children. "But you could go somewhere in Florida or Texas and you’re not losing 8% state tax, plus you don’t have a city tax, plus the cost of living isn’t two times higher than anywhere else."

…ultimately it relies on something that’s eluded the Nets the last five years. "Win. That’s the only thing I can think of," he said. "I’m already averaging 20 and 10."

by MagicLA on Jan 2, 2012 12:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

That is a really interesting article.

I also found it interesting that John Paxon seems to imply that the Bulls aren’t an option for Howard because agents are involved and Adidas can’t maximize its marketing with its 2 biggest stars in the same market.

I mean, it makes total sense for Adidas, but it also really confirms that a lot of this trade talk is being driven by Fagen and other moneyed interests at least as much as by Howard.

I'm torn. Is JJ Redick the White Mamba or the White Ray Allen?

by EnnBee on Jan 2, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions