NBA Rumors: Orlando Magic Deny Cutting Off Dwight Howard Trade Talks; Star Re-Issues Trade Request
by Evan Dunlap on Dec 14, 2011 9:12 PM EST
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PrintThe ongoing trade drama surrounding the Orlando Magic and Dwight Howard took another strange turn Wednesday afternoon. First, the organization refuted a Yahoo! Sports report that it had stopped listening to trade offers for Howard. "That's not where we are," Otis Smith, the team's President of Basketball Operations, told Josh Robbins. "What we’ve basically said is we don’t feel like we have to trade him today. We’re going to continue to look and explore opportunities. Actually, I don’t know if anything changed in my mind."
Ken Berger of CBS corroborated the Yahoo! story, adding that word around the league is "the Magic will once again revisit trade scenarios for Howard, but not until after All-Star weekend -- which is being held in Orlando Feb. 24-26." The trade deadline this season is set for March 15th.
In another development, Adrian Wojnarowski updated his initial Yahoo! report with word that Howard is unhappy in Orlando and reiterated his trade request Tuesday. A source said Howard is "not a happy camper," according to Wojnarowski's report.
If Howard indeed asked once again for a trade Tuesday, it'd cast a new light on his comments to Orlando media the day prior. "There's no place I would rather be than here in Orlando," Howard said Monday.
That Howard appears to have changed his tune once again is consistent with what one person "close to him" told Wojnarowski in an earlier report: "He runs hot and cold.... He just doesn't always know what he wants."
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This is turning into the roller coaster that never ends!!
I love D12 and hope he sticks with the Magic forever, but if this is how the season is going to go then just trade his butt and let us move on with the season! This is crazy! He is not willing to give comments and wants to sing to the media instead of letting his fans know what he is REALLY up to!
I agree to trade him now
It’s a distraction you guys don’t need. Unfair to the other players, too.
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Of course you do.
I think the Nets should trade D-Will too, but thats because my opinion is biased, but I’m admitting to it.
by JeffShann3 on Dec 15, 2011 3:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd feel the same way even if I wasn't a Nets fan
you have to admit it would be a distraction if this went into the season.
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I really don't think so.
I think because everyone has been so open about it, and knowing the type of player Dwight is, I don’t think it will matter.
This, without question
is the stupidest thing I’ve ever been through as a Magic fan. I don’t know how he manages to do it, but Dwight is making me sympathetic to Otis. Be a grown up for God’s sake.
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by cgsimone on Dec 14, 2011 9:19 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I usually like Woj, but...
he seems to be the only one relaying this turn, and he’s now saying Dwight told teammates that the “deal was done.”. I think the sources are just as confused as Dwight.
I think you're right on that.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Woj’s sources are based out of the Northeast and Dan Fegan’s camp. Its obvious Fegan wants Howard in a bigger market, that’s all these agents do want. If they can get more endorsements for stupid little things that Dwight doesn’t already have, he will make more money. That’s all its about to Fegan.
And as good as Woj is at his job, he does swing for the fences. He usually hits it out of the park, but there are (and have been) quite a few times were he misses the ball. He does this because he’s almost always the first with every report. You can’t be first every time and get it right 100% of the time.
As Evan astutely pointed out, Dwight said Monday how this is where he would like to be (note I did not say where he was going to be, or where he will be) and on Tuesday reiterated his trade request, as if the Magic didn’t already know it? Not buying it.
I think its NJ & Fegan playing power of the press.
by JeffShann3 on Dec 15, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hate to say it, bro, but occam's razor.
You could be right. But, as much as it kills me, I think the simplest solution is probably correct.
Howard wants to leave, and he doesn’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings.
by Jtyler998 on Dec 15, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
See? Now this is how you respond to a comment if you don't agree
Rec’d just for that. Take note, Jeff.
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I just dont think thats the way he should play it then.
you’re not going to hurt people’s feelings for wanting to leave this team. But telling people you want to leave, then deciding you might want to stay later only for that to be a lie to placate people (fans), that’ll just make it worse when/if you do leave.
He has an image to protect
over at ND, we think he’s a great guy with a great reputation. We think Fegan’s the one doing the dirty work. Care to disprove the theory?
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I think he's a nice person who still acts like a child, sometimes.
He lets his emotions get the better of him and, as many people have reported, he runs hot and cold and cant really seem to make up his mind on what he wants.
I believe he’s being 100% honest when he says how much he loves it here. I am not of the belief that he will stay, but I do think its a greater possibility than I did last week. But I see no sense in giving in to what I interpret as Dan Fegan’s demands. I stated my thoughts on Fegan already, so I’ll leave it at that. It looks as though we agree on Fegan, although you all might believe it is because Dwight is asking for him to do it, when I feel like he’s doing it on his own accord and telling Dwight this is what is best for him.
by JeffShann3 on Dec 15, 2011 2:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Glad we agree on something
Actually, I was about the only one who thought Fegan was doing ANY work. Most people thought when I said Fegan was doing all this stuff, that I was wrong. They changed after Pingalore’s article. Speaking of which, I see a lot of people voiced their opinions about him, and, as with Fegan, it can be left at what was said about Ping, but i’ll take him at his word, since I don’t know his work all that well. If he’s right(for argument’s sake), it seems as though he’s telling Dwight what to do. I don’t think he told Dwight to make the Nets his 1st choice. That’s all 12, but let’s be honest: if that article is true, why not just get it over with now? Yes, BK needs to make a better offer, but no one wins. Ownership looks bad. Dwight looks bad. Otis could get fired(judging by your sig, it seems that’s fine by you), and Fegan even would be accused of hardballing, or, as the article says, ‘’strong-arming’‘. Why not take picks, and reload in a great draft class coming up? You can get Brook, and i’m sure another significant player from the 3rd and/or 4th team, the picks, and, most importantly, cap space. I know agents have agendas, and can be out for themselves(Boras in baseball as an example), but this is something that I think Fegan’s doing for Dwight(although I agree he’s leading Dwight around), and it’ll be a PR disaster the longer it goes. Judging by Dwight’s actions, he doesn’t seem to mind at this point.
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Nobody in Orlando takes Ping seriously.
So you all can probably throw out anything he says. Seriously. He claimed last week that Dwight had fired Fegan and appointed his dad as his agent, obviously incorrect. I still think that he is right however on the note that it is probably Fegan stirring things up in combo with the Nets. If they both want Dwight in NJ, why wouldn’t they try to build the drama as it adds pressure to the Magic with the giant microscope squarely on them.
by JeffShann3 on Dec 15, 2011 3:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It seems as though bumper64 agrees with me
in that you guys should just trade him and move on. I did hear that report about Fegan getting the ax, but didn’t know WHO reported it. You do have to think, though, if there was a trade in the future, it would be to us, since the Lakers don’t seem to be willing to part with Bynum and Gasol. You also believe that Dwight made us his #1 choice. Those aren’t Fegan or NJ-driven. I’ve always thought the trade was happening now, and still do, but i’m not as confident as the last day or so. However, BK has been too quiet. He’s spoken once in the last week, and has signed only Shelden Williams, and after Ping’s article(true or not), a lot of us think it’s back on.
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I trust guys like Steve Kyler, Alex Kennedy, and Ken Berger
more than I do Woj, honestly. None of them seem to be reporting this, and Steve quite the opposite actually. So I’ll believe it when I see it, and not a moment sooner.
As far as LA not willing to part with Bynum & Gasol, we shall see. Small price to pay for the best player in the game and when you can’t sign him outright in the summer.
So you think he goes to the Nets if it gets to FA?
And how surprised would you be if a trade happened before the Bird Rights deadline?
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I think that, honestly, he and D-Will might end up in Dallas if they can clear a little more cap room.
I still think his chances of being in NJ are slightly better than Orlando, but I don’t think its such a slam dunk we should deal him immediately, if at all. There’s no way I trade him before Jan. 1st, if he wants to leave, he’ll pay for it.
by JeffShann3 on Dec 15, 2011 3:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Let's just say this one article by Ping is true
If he was to ‘’pay for it’’ as you say, wouldn’t that be a distraction, knowing what Fegan might try to pull?
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I think Fegan is in his ear and is causing all the back and forth with D12 emotions!
Fegan is wanting another big bonus (Nets owner is most likely slipping him money under the table). jmo
by bumper64 on Dec 15, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm of the mind the Fegan is pushing him to NJ
by Evan Dunlap on Dec 15, 2011 3:43 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Evan, since you're the man with the info, I have a few questions
Do you think Dwight will be a Net?
If so, is it still possible to happen before the Bird Rights deadline?
Are the Nets really his #1 choice?
Do you think Fegan is successful in pushing him to NJ?
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Yes
I think Fegan sees the truly sky is the limit $ potential in the Brooklyn franchise and he is clearly advising Howard in that direction.
Fegan (and Dwight) are just trying to create as much noise and confusion as possible in order to distort the situation.
The more they complicate trades from occurring, the more beneficial it is for Howard. Dwight’s best case scenario is for the Magic to trade him to the Nets – but that is a terrible trade for the Magic (unless a third team gets involved) – they have to know those conditions are rare and a straight up 2 team trade is very unlikely to happen with better options out there for the Magic.
Howard and Fegan know that if he gets traded anywhere (besides Brooklyn) he will have to deal with a another year of drama (and another lost season).
So instead Fegan and Dwight cloud the message and create the illusion that Dwight might stay – leading the Magic on until after the trade deadline. If he tricks the Magic into thinking he is staying, at seasons end, he says "see Magic didn’t improve – see ya Oville hello Brooklyn".
At that point, the Magic have no option but to give him a sign and trade – the worse case scenario for Orlando outside of loosing him for zero return. That dollar amount is less than if he stayed with the Magic but (outside of getting traded to Nets for pennies on the dollar) it is the better of all of his other choices for what his true intentions are – which is to leave.
wait for tomarow he will want to be in orlando next week he will want to be a bull then
a knick then a source will tell us he wants to play soccer or football who knows its hard to tell what is real and what is bs
I heard he wanted to play for the Bucs
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 14, 2011 9:28 PM EST reply actions
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by Jagmania28 on Dec 15, 2011 1:35 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Well this sucks
I wasn’t upset at Howard when he first asked for a trade, but going back and forth like this is REALLY aggravating.
Wow, Dwight is trying to kill his legacy here in Orlando in the same fashion as Lebron
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 9:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Seriously.
I’m a Green Bay Packers fan, and we never thought there was any way Brett Favre could tarnish his legacy and then in just a few weeks he revealed himself to be the biggest jerk on the planet.
I hope that doesn’t happen with Dwight but he is setting himself on that path. It’s the same pattern as Favre. Favre came out against management and then we all thought management was crazy. Then over time we saw what an egotistical maniac Favre was and we saw what management had to put up with. Right now I kinda feel sorry for Otis. I feel sorry for the Devos family. I feel sorry for the media which has to report something in a 24 hour cycle. I feel sorry for Stan who has to try and coach this team. I feel sorry for all the players who have to try and play in this circus. And mostly I feel sorry for the fans who are being strung along by this clown.
I hope it isn’t true, but look at the difference between this and the Paul situation. Paul wanted to leave NO, that’s true. But he did it in a completely professional way. So far this has been the opposite of professional.
(End overblown dramatic rant. I will return to levity in future posts.)
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by cgsimone on Dec 14, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I would like to cool the temper on this post a little bit.
Not so much as a retraction but as a counterpoint.
I think Dwight Howard is an incredible athlete and I’ve been amazed to see his progression over the years. Very few have really given him the credit he deserves. Dwight is one of if not the hardest working athlete in the NBA. Just look at his body for one. He’s both built mass and stayed lean to create almost a perfect NBA body. You don’t get that without incredible will and hard work. In addition to that, his game has improved in one aspect or another every single year. He started out wanting to focus on defense and he became one of the greatest defenders in the history of the game. He then wanted to improve his passing and he did that. His post moves, check that one off too.
So I give Dwight a lot of credit for working as hard as he possibly can to make the Orlando Magic a winning organization. I really do. He has to handle this situation better though. It isn’t benefitting anybody, least of all the organization and city he purports to love. This is hurting us, Dwight. It hurts us more than just you leaving. When the 2000 presidential election was held and the debacle took place in Florida we were the laughing stocks of the country. It was a fun punchline and I can take a joke but it was genuinely embarrassing. That’s what it feels like to be in Orlando right now. The NBA world has turned its eye on us and everyone is laughing at us. Only you can change that but you have to handle this situation better.
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by cgsimone on Dec 14, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
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…even though you lose points for being a Packers’ fan. Just kidding :-)
As a passionate Bears’ fan, I have a great deal of respect for the Packers, especially Aaron Rodgers.
I couldn’t agree more with your first paragraph. D12 has worked so hard to improve his game since his rookie season to become the NBA’s best center. The only thing that hasn’t improved is his free throw shooting.
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by Mike from Illinois on Dec 15, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
very nicely put...
… now just tell us what you want DWIGHT
"Otis Smith has made a lot of curious transactions over the years. Add this one to the list."
John Schuhmann
Wrong
Totally different scenarios. Brett won two rings with the Packers, and he deserved to start. Wanting to be traded or start is not unreasonable at all for a Qb. His drama about retirement, well I think he earned that right too. He was much older than I am, and even at my age I dunno if I could go take the beatings a qb takes. And I haven’t been taking it for over a decade. So sorry to drift onto that subject, but the Packers traded Brett because they wanted Rodgers to start. If they had just manned up and done so most of that drama goes away.
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word to the wise
Ignore anything not direct from Dwight or the magic’s mouth. Between reporters wanting to break the story, other teams and agents trying to influence things, and “friends” of Dwight wanting to feel cool and talk to the press, there is alot of bogus information out there
by dukenilnil on Dec 14, 2011 9:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions 6 recs
Now that's in denial
Yes, you can never read everything you believe, but if you think most of this is bogus, that’s just sad, man.
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Yes, you can never read everything you believe
I think don’t wrote you you what mean. lol, Nets fan.
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 15, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
So my sig says that
What does that have to do with any of this? Jeez, show some respect, man.
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I was making note because your sig specifically said
“Just remember to read this before you respond to or read my comments. Someone here forgot to.”
Obviously you did.
So when the trade talked was reported to be called off
Wonder how many Nets fans said this very thing. Don’t believe everything you read right? What is sad is you just trying to belittle people.
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I dont believe it.
Not for 1 second, until i here dwight say I DWIGHT HOWARD HAVE REQUESTED A TRADE. I wont believe it anymore. And even then it could be a ploy and PR move. This is really heartbreaking to deal with. If it goes on cleveland is gonna start laughing at us. If i were otis i would call LA right now and say hey guys ill take bynum and gasol now. And then try and either get in the jamal crawford sweepstakes or whatever. im sorry BUT THIS BLOWS!
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
AMEN.
Then sign david stern as our GM, he did amazing work denying LAL deal and then denying clippers initial deal. He got what he wanted.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
Not even close.
Trading him now does nothing to help the Magic. NOTHING. It is in their interest to keep him until the trade deadline and reevaluate.
As annoying as all of this is, the idea of the team being so scared of getting nothing they prevent a chance at success is far worse.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
i agree the nets trade might look better at the trade deadline
if they are having a bad season and howard still wants out at least there pick would be a little more desirable
by turbo champion on Dec 14, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. Even this will be a long season
The world will look different in March, let alone July. Doing something now because it is “uncomfortable” is just pointless.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
Or we wait and the Lakers come out and play to the level of thier talent and then the supposed offer is off the table
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Or Bynum goes down again this year and the Magic see they dodged a bullet
If the Magic lose Howard it will suck no matter what happens. Trading him now doesn’t lessen the suck at all, but prevents any chance of a more positive outcome. It takes courage to play to win.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
I'll make this simple
Bynum > Lopez
Bynum/Gasol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lopez
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
And none of those options even sniff the ECF
Do everything you can to keep Dwight. Trade him at the deadline if he demands it and says he’s never coming back. Otherwise, keep going and take a risk. If he decides to leave you are better off blowing up the whole thing anyway, IMHO.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
The only way to blow things up is to trade Dwight
that is the only way to get rid of Hedo, Duhon and Q-Rich. After Dwight leaves what team is going to trade for those bums
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
You're both right.
- Bynum and Gasol aren’t good enough to win championships.
- If the decision is to blow it up the Magic are better off trading Dwight along with bad contracts for young assets. Rather than letting him walk.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
but I'm more right :-)
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
ummm, they won championships with kobe? And to be completely honest, gasol outclassed dwight when they beat us in the finals, he fade away shots and post moves were amazing. And id want the lakers to take on hedo and duhon if its possible, most likely not.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
Bynum is so overrated it's not funny
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At this point, regardless of the package
I would rather trade Dwight to any team BUT NJ, I haven’t seen one Laker’s fan post garbage on this site trying to make us actually want to trade Dwight. People of any team that do that are just being asses. Who WANTS to trade their superstar for any price?
I am made of bits of real panther so you know I'm good.
That is because Laker fans do not want to trade Bynum AND Gasol in the same package.
Being smart and trying not to decimate their roster.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
idk whats more annoying...
This dwight crap or turning on sportscenter and hearing about Tebow. Kill me now!
by extremoceleste on Dec 14, 2011 9:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
the dwight crap
people cheer for tebow to do good because everyone thought he’d suck. I won’t be cheering for Dwight since he has 1 foot out the door and is stringing everyone along since he can’t make up his mind.
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by AB's triple double on Dec 14, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Evan, seriously
Have you considered doing a piece on exactly what qualifies Otis to be a GM in this league?
He played basketball….great. A lot of people have gone through the NFL too. That doesn’t mean they should be managing teams.
What exactly is it about Otis, that the Devos family is enamored with?
Is it old age and dementia kicking in? What is it?
Thanks,
Mike
by McD5 on Dec 14, 2011 9:52 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
See, now this is funny
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All I know is that if Howard comes out tomorrow all cheerful and saying that there's no place else he wants to play but here, the Magic doctors should check him for Bipolar disorder.
Please leave a message, I'm busy hiding my cat from TGS.
''the Magic doctors should check him for bipolar disorder''
Um, really, bro? Check the sig.
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No offense, and sorry if you do have it.
But I don’t go around to check with everyone’s personal feelings about something before I post, and just because you have that in your sig doesn’t mean I’m going to take it seriously. I could have my sig say “I’m going to kill myself if anyone else talks about Howard leaving”, does that mean that everyone should take it to mean what it says and not talk about Howard?
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Eh, look above
Where Jeff says sorry. That should explain it. Anniversary of something very painful. Not in a great mood. Only here as a distraction.
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The comment I posted was made loooooooooooong before that whole thing took place.
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I'm aware
I meant that i’m not normally so………angry, or in that tone. Just that when people said stuff, I kinda snapped, which is understandable. I felt it would be best to distract myself, rather than mope. Clearer now?
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I don't wanna play anymore :(
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 14, 2011 9:59 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
then take your toys and go home
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry... I'm just mad because someone stole my ninja turtles
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
that's okay
sorry about your turtles…
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 14, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
It's going to be a long season.
Which is ironic, because actually it’s not.
by AnnaJ on Dec 14, 2011 10:00 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
This post wins all the awards.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
uh pet peeve.. rec'd but not really
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
ok cool, AnnaJ's post needed to be green
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
If true,
It is mortifying that Otis took that awful deal up to ownership. Thank God they were smart enough to kill it.
What an awful GM. Please just go.
by fsucb on Dec 14, 2011 10:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
He must have some Sandusky type pictures off DeVos
i dont know how he still has a job
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ouch. no. no. no. bad taste.
I don't get the whole 'pop-tart cats pooping rainbows thing,' but then, I'm old. So, there it is.
I am of the belief from what I saw earlier in someone's tweet (cant remember who it was right now)
but they basically said they have been told it went straight to “ownership” (which means it went to Martins, because RDV really just signs the checks now) because Otis has basically been stripped of his decision making authority on all things Howard.
this is getting ridiculous
Don't be a follower homie, be a leader! And if I lose you on twitter, then so be it
by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 10:54 PM EST reply actions
more than ridiculous!!
def worst gm in NBA, he has no class and he studders when talking about personal decisions, otis doesnt know what otis is gonna do. It just seems like he is playing NBA2k12 and makes moves on a whim that really hurt the franchise. If we lose dwight and keep otis long term it really puts a strain on magic fans. Its so funny dwight says he apologizes to the fans, but he is putting us through this. I vote put a team in Tampa around where i live!
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
I CANT STAND THIS GUY
Why must we put up with his buffoonery? IS IT POSSIBLE TO AMNESTY OTIS? What a complete waste of space.
by nazem275 on Dec 14, 2011 11:10 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
For a GM who is supposed to be doing all he can for the best of the organization, Otis is really spending a lot of time dealing with the trading Dwight scenario. I wish he would grow a pair already, say Dwight is staying put for now, and actually spend his time working to find someone to bring in to help Dwight. OTIS, THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY HELP OUR FRANCHISE! IT DOESN’T HELP THE MAGIC TO FIELD TRADE OFFERS!
I’m officially on board the fire Otis bandwagon.
He is a complete quack
He has gone off the deep end. Not sure what strategy he has. Who hired this guy? Was it the drunk Bob Vander Weide? He probably blew them away on the interview because the Magic front office was all drunk at the time. OTIS MUST GO!
WHO IS FEGAN ANYWAY?
@JoshuaBRobbins @JohnDenton555 howard’s agent visits Amway Center. Sources "strong arming" Gm Otis Smith clickorlando.com/sports/Pingalo…
Gotta get rid of him before another bad decision is made. He’ll probably take back Outlaw and Petro in the next iteration of the Nets deal.
Otis Smith: "Hmm, seems legit"
Stop giving ideas to the man.
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by North of the South on Dec 14, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
Not saying it's not true, cause I don't know what is or isn't anymore
but don’t ever trust Pingalore for news….ever…..like, if every news reporter on the face of the earth dropped dead he still shouldn’t be trusted.
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why do you say that?
i never read them before
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
The guy is so unreliable it's not even funny.
Like 2 years ago during the draft, he was announcing that Chris Paul to Orlando was a done deal. He does stuff like that all the time, he’s a local tv sports reporter who thinks he’s working for Espn.
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and by tv sports reporter, read news anchor.
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hmm interesting
this is still ridiculous tho
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Guys face it
it’s over. Management did a horrible job here. I don’t blame Otis. Seems as though he only went along with what ownership wanted. Look, Brook may not have the appeal that Bynum does, but he’s a solid player. Can get you 20 and 10 with a good PG. Also, this is a good time to stockpile draft picks. 2012 Draft will be one of the best in a long time. Could get better in a hurry. If even 2 or 3 picks come your way in the package, you did real well. Too much has been said or done to go back now. It’s clear Dwight wants to be a Net. It’s clear that our GM will do whatever he has to to make it happen. Why do you think we’ve only signed Shelden Williams so far? Why do you think BK’s been quiet? I admit i’m a Nets fan, but looking at this objectively, it’s clear Dwight’s as good as gone, so why not just trade him now? Best for everyone involved. That December 29th game will be real awkward. Look forward to seeing the new arena.
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Judging from you sig, I'm wondering if you feel manic right now?
The situation really depends on which media reports you believe.
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 15, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
The sig has nothing to do with it
Stop it with the sig. If you can’t treat me accordingly, then don’t bring it up. As for what media reports I believe: I generally believe two people. Woj and Al Iannazzone.
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Please note my apology in response to another comment.
I hope you’ll note that is seems a little unusual to label yourself with your bipolar remark in your sig and expect an anonymous online basketball community to know what to do with that info. Perhaps I’m too used to the sigs on this site being used for lighter, humorous purposes. I apologize if I took it too lightly.
I generally believe Woj, too. Just not sure he’s right this time.
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 15, 2011 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
Compared to Jeff, what you said was nothing
Caught me on the wrong day, but anyhow, i’m not here to troll or anything like that(as was said below). My point was that over at NetsDaily, some of us think it’s happening now for a variety of reasons. I’m one of them. Others think it won’t happen for a while. A few don’t believe it’ll happen at all. We generally believe Woj 100% of the time. I think when your blog here gets talked about over at ours, it’s for what Jtyler said about our franchise. Pardon if I seem a little scrambled. After 2AM.
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So...Nets beat writer and one national writer/reporter?
I think Woj is a good source, but I don’t necessarily trust guys in our local newspaper affiliates to be unbiased.
He's with the Knicks now
but most of us still trust him. Our beat writer, Andy Vasquez, is new.
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K.
Glad you trust him. Don’t really know what that has to do with him reporting anything unbiased, as he most assuredly only hears things from the Nets (who are trying to stir it up as much as possible to keep this circus from folding and leaving town)
He's unbiased
Not every beat writer, or former beat writer is biased. Have you ever read his stuff?
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a few times.
Nothing on this, except that the only thing he’s heard about has come from people inside the Nets org…or other reporters.
Let me just add this
We hate Berger. We think he’s the worst. Hates us.
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maybe
u should take the sig down… jus sayin
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by Ramin Baiat on Dec 15, 2011 2:18 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I disagree..
First who is the good PG? lol… and when u go against amare in new york, and noah in chicago and lebron and wade you need great defense, personally brook lopez is crap, even nets fans say it. And unless they are high draft picks or lottery picks you didnt get anything. And im sorry you are a nets fan so this will hurt. We dont want your crappy deal, we want LA’s!! END OF STORY.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
by dunkface94 on Dec 15, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There is a thought advocated by those who want us to trade Dwight before January 1st of next year mentioning that if we don't we could cost him a lot of money, and that is unconscionable because he has served Magic well.
Nothing is further from the truth, since that is based on the assumption that Dwight would opt out of the last year of his current contract … but why would he even if he is traded by the trade deadline (March 15, 2012)? If he does:
1) He loses $1.8M on his salary on that last year alone.
2) He loses his Bird’s rights for a maximum length contract and highest annual increases.
But if he doesn’t opt out all those extras are available to him by the following season. So in a nutshell, we are not doing any injustice to him if we delay trading him. Additionally, he would gain the most if:
a) He doesn’t opt out at all; and
b) He is traded even before the start of next season so that he would play six months for the team he was traded to.
I hope that now the fear of losing Dwight for nothing would subside since the only scenario of that happening is an extreme anger causing someone to leave a large sum of dough on the table.
read this
wow…
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 11:35 PM EST reply actions
apparently
dwight was just lying when he said Orlando still had a chance in order to put the spotlight off him
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
I agree 100% with your first sentence.
When I called him out via twitter last week, he got all pouty and when I told him I dont trust him because he is never right, (pointing at the example of Dwight allegedly firing Fegan which couldnt have been further from the truth) he just told me to “play nice” and to not follow him if I dont like him. To which I replied I simply follow for comic relief, kind of like why I follow Tony Allen.
Things Ping has been wrong on
UCF moving to the Big East (like, several years ago)
Chris Paul coming to the Magic on Draft Night 2009
Dwight firing Fegan/hiring his father
this makes me feel better..now ican finally sleep haha ..its already 5am!!
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 15, 2011 8:07 AM EST up reply actions
and that Dwight signing an extension was "imminent" back in May.
"We have a bunch of guys who basically have to decide if they want to be sort of the typical NBA player, which nowadays is more of an excuse-maker and a blamer and has his agent telling him how great he is. There's not a lot of realism in that. Or, do you want to fight and scrap and claw for wins? I'm confident that our guys will eventually get that message." Scott Skiles
The salt in the wound from Ping's "report":
The Lakers continue to be an option for Howard, however Pingalore’s sources confirm that the Lakers’ center, Andrew Bynum, may not be as attractive, because the Magic have learned Bynum’s knees are not healthy.
but if you believe Ping, all of that is probably coming from the agent - not Dwight
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
It doesn't matter if it's coming from the agent or not
It’s still true. That’s the whole point.
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Only in the NBA
where players in trades don’t need to match up in skill, but salary
I do know one thing though if this report form ping is true.
Dwight Howard still wants the people of Orlando to love him even if he makes a decision that Orlando isn’t the best place for him………Howard……sending in your agent to strong arm the organization to get you out now instead of letting them get the best deal they can isn’t going to get you any love. The fact that people are actually starting to feel sorry for Otis should tell him something.
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"The Magic will once again revisit trade scenarios for Howard, but not until after All Star Weekend."R
Read: Howard is gone, but they won’t suffer the indignity of having him play the All Star Game in anything other than a Magic uniform.
Yes they will
If they don’t trade him now, him and Fegan will make life a living hell for the entire organzation.
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This was to Jtyler's comment
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He's too much of a baby. Doesn't want to hurt his reputation.
Fegan is intelligent enough to know that finishing out your contract, or at least waiting a few months for the trade deadline, is not exactly a hostage crisis.
But if Howard wants to go before the cameras and vent, I say go ahead. His behavior on the court has already given him a reputation for whining and behaving immaturely. If he wants to prove the critics right, he’s welcome to.
He'd lose a lot of money if he waited
Granted, it’s not all in Fegan’s hands, but don’t think he isn’t bringing this and all the other stuff up to Otis. Can you answer one question for me: what is the big love affair with Bynum? He’s only played in 60% of games in 5 years. I don’t get it. Brook is a good player, and no one is acknowledging it. Hell, Stan voted him to last year’s ASG.
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If the reports are true about his agent trying to "strong arm" the Magic, do you think they really give a damn at this point about what he and Howard want.
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No. I know that. I'm not dumb. The point is this
If the reports are true, and he is strong-arming the Magic, he won’t stop. Is it really worth it to have this huge distraction? Seriously. Take the Nets fan out of me, and I mean that. It’s obvious he wants to go. Just know, though, that this could get VERY ugly if they don’t comply. I thought that both sides agreed to help the other out. Guess management didn’t hold up their end of the bargain.
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Dwight loses the PR battle if it gets ugly.
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 15, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly. The NBA leader in technical fouls isn't going to make himself look any better whining about playing out his contract.
Especially not right after saying how much he wants to stay in Orlando.
What, you want to stay in Orlando, but you’re frustrated the Magic won’t cut you loose for pennies on the dollar?
Can’t have it both ways, man-child.
He shouldn’t have said he wants to stay….or anything positive about Orlando. I am starting to think he wants out….or at least whomever is driving the Dwight-bus wants him out and Dwight is going along for the ride.
He was irritated today during his media time. I wonder if he thought the deal would be done early so that he wouldn’t have to face the music.
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 15, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
I know it's important to him, but
I just don’t think he cares anymore. It’s obvious it’s to the point of no return. He just wants out. I don’t get why ownership can’t face that.
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Because if he wants out, then it's no longer about him. It's all about the Orlando Magic.
They’ll hold him to his contract until it is no longer in the best interest of the organization.
And it is absolutely in the best interest of the organization to have him represent the Magic in the All Star Game.
Like magicfaninTN said, if he wants to engage in a PR battle, he’ll lose. I think Fegan is smart enough to keep that from happening, too.
by Jtyler998 on Dec 15, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
But somebody serving as a "Sources:" isn't playing it too smart.
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 15, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
I'm confused as to how Orlando hasn't held up their end of the bargain.
I mean Howard has asked for a trade, Orlando seems to be looking. Is holding up their end of the bargain having to take the first offer that’s given?
I’m mean technically speaking, Howard hasn’t really held up his end of the bargain considering he has 1 year left on his contract and he wants to bolt.
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by malenko on Dec 15, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep, let's all be unprofessional about this!
Let him play. Who knows, the Magic may start winning (I doubt it, but I’ve been wrong many times in the past), and give him second thoughts about leaving.
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by North of the South on Dec 15, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He won't be there on Opening Night
He’ll be back on the 29th.
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He's just trolling, he's saying Howard won't be there for the OKC game because he'll be on the Nets
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That'd be a poor choice
You risk angering Fegan (a powerful agent) and alienating other players that way. Why sign with an organization that embarrasses its stars on national TV?
Haha we just amnestied Outlaw
Means we have some room to take back Hedo and maybe even Duhon. It’s all coming together.
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The Nets whiffed miserably last off-season. They missed out on Lebron, Wade, Bosh, even Carlos Boozer.
The Nets had to make a wild trade for Deron Williams who immediately swore not to re-sign after his contract ended.
They have the most bizarre ownership in the league, with the villain from Call of Duty: Modern Warfare and a former child crack dealer turned rap mogul. And whatever this franchise is called when they move to Brooklyn, they’ll always take a backseat to the Knicks. They won’t even be like the Mets, they’ll be more like the Islanders.
Point being, there is a whole lot of uncertainty about the New Jersey Nets. The one thing that is certain, based on recent events, is their complete ineptitude to either woo top free agents, or trade for top talent (without them immediately wanting to leave).
Dwight Howard may be leaving the Magic, but I wouldn’t count on him ending up in New Jersey/Brooklyn. Their immediate history and their complete lack of trade chips do not bode well.
And man, oh man, just imagine what will happen to them if they don’t land Howard. Bye bye, D-Will. But, like you said earlier, Brook Lopez is good, right?
What's funny to me.
And it’s something that Bill Simmons alluded to in an article earlier today.
Which is that the Nets even if they get Howard aren’t going to be that good. The team will be Howard, Williams, Turkoglu, and D-league player of the week #1, #2, and #3.
Howard, Williams, Turkoglu, and Duhon are all of their cap space for years. And even when Turk and Duhon’s deals run out they will have MLE’d a few players to desperately try and compete so they’ll never be under the cap again.
They won’t be the destination of choice for Shane Battier type vets looking to chase a ring. That will always be Miami, Boston, L.A. (both of them), OKC, Dallas, Chicago, maybe even the Knicks. So the MLE players they do sign will be the leftovers.
They are trading 5 picks. Which, because of the Stepien Rule means that they will not be able to include a draft pick in any trade to make themselves better for 10 years.
So. Having Howard and Williams gives you 45 wins no matter who else is on the team, right? Well, the Nets will be 47-53 wins and a second round playoff exit every year for 6 or 7 years. Have fun with that.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 15, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Some of this is factual
but some of it is just uncalled for. Can we stick to basketball? That’s what I came here for.
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I know how you feel.
When I read the news about those signings all I could think about was that meme phrase about not caring about their surrounding and current situation. Unfortunately, the phrase has a four letter word that can’t be used at OPP. ;)
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by North of the South on Dec 15, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
Otis is dumb.
Alex Martins is trying to do damage control on this situation, yet Otis keeps on brazenly insisting that Dwight being traded is a possibility right now. Probably because he knows that’s the only way that he’s going to be able to get out from under some of his other mistakes (Hedo & Duhon). Just shut up, Otis, and keep a “no comment” routine. Let Martins do all the talking.
As far as Dwight is concerned, he’s likely confused, but I don’t think he has any compunctions about speaking in public. Hence, I’ll just ignore these flip-flopping stories until he voices his own flip-flopping out loud. This just seems like another story leaked out by someone with bad intentions in mind. Who benefits the most from all of this drama that is created, driving a wedge between Dwight and his teammates, management, and fanbase? Hmmm…
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There is NO incentive for the Magic to trade him now. And Dwight IS NOT losing lots of dough if he is not traded right away.
I made a point in another post in this thread that if he doesn’t opt out of his contract, his Bird’s rights is not in jeopardy, neither. In fact, if he doesn’t opt out, he earns $1.8M more on the last year of his current contract, plus he could be traded as late as Dec 31, 2012 and still keep his Bird’s rights. The only condition would be for the Magic to agree to trade him, which is a given, considering that Magic does not want to lose him for nothing.
Magic fans need to calm down, and Alex Martins needs not to give in to unwarranted pressure based on the false premisses that Dwight is losing chunk of money if he is not traded before Jan 1, 2012.
I am starting to think Otis isn't dumb
I think Otis talked to Dwight and Dwight pretty much told him he was not going to stay. I think Otis isn’t a guy to beat around the bush and paint a pretty picture about it. In other words, I think the Magic CEO changed nothing except to get Dwight to play nice. I would rather have Otis tell us like it is than this guy pretend this $hit don’t stink.
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Even if that is all true, which it very well may be...
Otis is still dumb. Nothing changes this, unless he’s able to swing a trade better than what the Hornets got for CP3. I am highly dubious of his ability to do that. We are in this situation largely BECAUSE of Otis being dumb.
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Look at the proposed trades
and the fact that we’re trying to ship off Turk and Duhon in any deal – both big Otis mistakes. We are wasting half the value from the Dwight trade just trying to make up for his bad choices.
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 16, 2011 7:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
@Evan- Is this survey popups an SBN thing?
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Think so, I've been getting it too, so your computer isn't infected or anything.
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Can the DeVos family straight-up sell the Magic to the NBA and let David Stern negotiate the Howard trade?
by Jtyler998 on Dec 15, 2011 1:23 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Holy crap
Don’t even joke about getting bought by the league. What a mess.
would this be a good trade if they have to trade?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cmlp3p4
except outlaw would be amnestied by the nets and would not go to the magic just had to make the trade machine work
add in two 1st round picks to the magic this year and a future 1st rounder maybe two to the warriors i like the youth better than what the lakers can offer
by turbo champion on Dec 15, 2011 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
I'd rather leave the warriors out of it.
And just do this simple trade: (would work with Outlaw amnestied)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6nouhwc
Plus 5 first round picks (what they already agreed to give up).
I don’t see the point in adding Ellis after Howard is gone. He isn’t going to want to hang around and rebuild either.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 15, 2011 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
Here one just messing around
We get Gasol and a healthier/cheaper Mcgee from Washington. They get to dump rashards contract on the lakers, and get Bynum and Turk. Lot better then the garbage the Nets can offer.
And you guys wonder why I say the stuff I do
Is it really necessary to call the offer garbage? Brook Lopez is garbage? Better than Bynum, who can’t stay healthy. Thank god for you guys’ sake management actually found out he has bad knees. Wonder what took them so long.
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If you're use to eating steak for years, and then someone offers you a cheeseburger, you're going to think it's garbage.
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by malenko on Dec 15, 2011 2:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You guys have every right to not like the offer
but using the word garbage is wrong. Couldn’t it just be, ‘’I don’t like the offer’’?
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Terrible? Reprehensible? Literally, THE worst? Awful?
Call it whatever you like, but you can’t polish a turd.
Why not just what I said
All means the same thing.
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I prefer to use more descriptive terms when the situation calls for it.
When I eat McDonalds, is just ok. When I eat a burger from Buffalo Wild Wings, its delicious. See how one is better and describes it better than the other? I have stronger feelings about the BW2 burger than the McD’s, therefore it calls for a more descriptive term.
Compared to what the lakers can offer
Yes…its garbage imo. Not saying Lopez is garbage, but the offer is.
What makes Bynum so special
He’s injury-prone. Won’t argue on Pau, but a lot of us at NetsDaily think Bynum gets way too much respect.
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A lot of us here at OPP
Think Brook Lopez is a tall PF with limited range. We have a tall PF who can score, and he rebounds better. He also has better range. He coincidentally is good friends with Brook. Why would we want that in exchange for the best player in the league?
He'd be your starting C
And it seems Stan liked him. Correct me if i’m wrong, but didn’t Stan vote for him to be in last year’s All-Star Game? That’s what was said at ND.
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I have no clue what Stan thinks about him.
Other than watching Dwight thoroughly beat him down every time they play, I don’t give a second thought to Brook Lopez or how limited I think he is.
You just said he's limited
Most of us at ND compare him to Bynum, not Dwight. We feel Bynum gets way too much credit.
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Bynum has a post game.
Lopez does not. Bynum has a more physical presence.
I don’t think Bynum is that great, but I think he’s slightly better than Brook.
Bynum has bad knees
Brook does not.
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Not going to debate this any further.
We disagree, that’s fine. I was trying to be polite earlier when I said he’s limited, but truth be told, I think he absolutely sucks.
Wasn't trying to argue
and I know you were trying to be polite. Just that Bynum is made out to be a star when he’s OK.
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I could get behind that
leaves are SF spot looking really bad though, although I guess either trade we make (Nets or Lakers) is going to have the same effect. Could always look to trade Nelson for one I guess.
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the owners of the magic dont seem to want to go into full rebuild mode so with monta
they get a all star type player a potential all star in lopez plus the draft picks to get more talent out of a loaded draft could be a decent team by next year with 3 draft picks and that roster plus i think j rich could play sf with q and harper backing him
by turbo champion on Dec 15, 2011 3:07 AM EST up reply actions
Ah, well, this was a pleasant journey over here
If I came off bad, sorry. It’s explained above. Next time I come over here, it’ll be just about basketball. Look forward to that. You guys seem to know your stuff. Until we meet again, keep rooting for your Magic, and have a great day!
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It's true. We're geniuses.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 15, 2011 4:23 AM EST up reply actions
Why can't I come back if I want to talk about the Magic?
Isn’t that what this site is for? And maybe the Magic don’t have incentive, but Fegan does. Agents win out. I’ll be seeing you.
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As I said last night
if you want to disagree, that’s fine. I don’t expect anyone to agree with me here, but why the name-calling? I don’t get it. Couldn’t you just say ‘’Agents wins out’‘? ’’I think you’re wrong’’. And I originally joined here last week BEFORE the Dwight stuff started. It was coincidental that it came out at the same time I started to post here.
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Lopez plays more minutes and Bynum is not the first or even second scoring option on his team. Duh, Lopez stats are going to be better when he plays more minutes and gets more touches, attempting twice as many shots.
I hate glass knees Bynum so I’m not even saying he’s better but it’s rather pointless to look at stats so far out of context as this.
by AnnaJ on Dec 15, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Then look at the per36 numbers to get some context.
Of course, it doesn’t tell the whole story either.
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 15, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think the myth being fathered by arguments between people that strongly prefer one over the other is that there is a large difference in talent between the two.
There isn’t.
The better deal will hinge on what you get in addition to the young flawed center. Not which one you choose.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 15, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i recall
a game last yr, when orlando traveled to LA and Bynum took off on dwight and after the game dwight just praised his ability. We have games or moments of brilliance from each player in the NBA, except for brian scalabrine.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
This has moved from ridiculous to absurd
and I’m getting sick and tired of the trolling Nets fans on here.
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 15, 2011 9:01 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I generally try to be open to other teams' fans
but some of these Nets fans are just here to be a holes. If they are allowed to just post inflammatory comments just to poke fun at our distress, then I won’t be coming here any longer. I can get that from the national media. If they want to come here, they should have to considerate to others.
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he doesnt want to share the spotlight with rose
and i m guessing he wants a pass first pg like deron williams or chris paul
Correct... Derrick Rose is revered in Chicago
…since he is a Chicago native and already has an MVP trophy.
I think D12 wants to be the main star of any team he goes to, and he wouldn’t be if he went to the Bulls.
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by Mike from Illinois on Dec 15, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
My perspective
Dwight definitely wants to be traded but feels bad about it hence his waffling in the media. Dwight has always been criticized for not having a “killer instinct” as a player and this is showing up in how he’s handling this. Dwight’s not a vocal leader. When have we ever heard of him telling a teammate that he needs to step up his game or even getting in someone’s face during a game? Why – because he’s immature and doesn’t like to be the bad guy. To me that explains his hot and cold demeanor – I don’t think he really wants to stay here. In the back of his mind he knows that he can’t be the main guy on a team that beats the Heat or Lakers. In addition to all the attention that he needs, he wants another superstar to lead the team for him. But he’s bad at breakups and therefore keeps us hanging…
"We have a bunch of guys who basically have to decide if they want to be sort of the typical NBA player, which nowadays is more of an excuse-maker and a blamer and has his agent telling him how great he is. There's not a lot of realism in that. Or, do you want to fight and scrap and claw for wins? I'm confident that our guys will eventually get that message." Scott Skiles
IF (or when) Otis trades Dwight...
doesn’t get a great deal, and I mean better than the Carmelo or Chris Paul deals, he should be FIRED and taken out of town before he can say “Warriors”…I’m so sick of this clown having his ego do the talking on the interviews. He’s does not know how to answer some of the questions thrown at him about Dwight
Highly doubt we will get as good of a deal as the Hornets got.
It’s sad how little power the Magic have at the end of the day. I’m really hating this about the NBA right now.
My issue isn't with having the power to trade him when we want, but with who we can trade with.
Dwight is only naming 3 teams right now. None of the deals being speculated about by those teams are very appealing. Yeah we could trade with other teams besides those 3, but there’s not a ton of incentive for those teams to trade with us or offer up really good pieces if Dwight says he won’t sign an extension there…
Yeah they can trade him when they want, but if decides to force his way somewhere then I don’t see us getting a very good deal in return. But who knows what will happen.
All I am saying is that there is no rush, and Magic has to call his bluff that he would walk by saying that he could do so only if he wants to leave $30+M on the table.
by Matt1325 on Dec 15, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
We don't disagree on that.
I’m not in favor of trading him now. Any trades being offered now suck anyway and the only incentive is to get rid of the media circus.
I’m just frustrated with free agency in general in the NBA right now.
by AnnaJ on Dec 15, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
+1
And also, right now no one like our assets, but who knows?, ( and I know it’s a very rare possibility), may be Turk, J-Rich, Jammer, other/s, starts the season in a great level, and by all star weekend some of our “bad contracts” became “great contracts” and we can find better trading partners. The trade value of our Non-D12 players can’t get much worse than what they are right now…
by karpito on Dec 15, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ya, this too
A lot of our players had really below average years last year. I hope that evens out this year. This team has a lot of potential if they can play through the distractions and play up to their abilities.
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 15, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Very Sad indeed...
especially considering how much more DOMINANT than Chris Paul Dwight is around the league. I’m really hoping Alex Martins and RDV take a lesson from D.Stern’s book
by extremoceleste on Dec 15, 2011 10:06 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Having to choose between Bynum and B. Lopez, after having Dwight Howard...
is like having to choose which is better between being stabbed with a kitchen knife or being stabbed with a dagger.
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by North of the South on Dec 15, 2011 10:18 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Cool. I like that guy (as long as it is a minimum contract.).
He hasn’t shown a lot yet, but I like his potential.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
by funny80sguy on Dec 15, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Rip the band-aid off all ready
if dwight wants out….might as well trade him..i have been a big advocate about letting him walk rather then trading for crap….Mediocrity is the worse thing for an NBA team….but this back and forth PR sh*t pulling Magic Fans heart strings is beyond ridiculous…if he wants out, let him go and move on…if he wants to work things out with the magic fine…but getting your agent to “strong arm” the organization is pretty shallow….i know he doesnt want to be hated, but your not doing yourself any favors by saying “i want to stay in orlando” and then getting pissed because a trade didnt fall through…whatever
At this point, I just want Dwight and Hedo to be on the team just long enough so I can watch them in a Magic uniform when they visit Portland in January
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
There is a leak
In Dwight camp, and I think it’s on purpose. We keep reading rumors and reports and I think all of them are leaked on his camp. Starting with the 1am call from Bob Van Der Weide and then all this trade rumors. It’s hard to believe any of this is coming from Magic officials. In the past when Otis made a deal we never heard rumors before it was done. I don’t like how Dwight’s camp is handling this situation. They’re just trying to sell us they’re the good guys and the organization is bad.
by karpito on Dec 15, 2011 11:33 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Very true.
I haven’t lived in Orlando for quite a few years so I can’t speak to Ping’s veracity, the idea that Dwight’s agent is basically stirring the pot is what I’ve assumed all along. If it is even remotely true that he was spreading the info about the trade involving Portland, would it really be surprising to find out he told Dwight “it’s a done deal” even though it was not which leads to the confusion and Dwight telling teammates what he’d been told.
Armato was always instrumental in many of the things that happened with Shaq when he left, and I really don’t doubt the agent is pulling the strings for his own gains here, too. Even the Nene situation with NJ has a bad smell about it.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
What do you mean the Nene situation has a bad smell to it?
If anything, your ownership cost us a chance to sign Nene. They had to know they weren’t approving the deal, but by not coming out and saying it, they led us to believe the trade could happen, so we let him re-sign with Denver.
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I like that you assume
that the Nets get no word from Orlando until they hear it in the media. Besides the fact that your theory makes no sense. Orlando would want the Nets to sign Nene to hurt their chances of getting Dwight.
by jtiddah on Dec 15, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rumor was that nene would have come to us
even if we got Dwight. Would have taken less.
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Because Fegan is running the show
From what I understand in discussing things with Jeff from last night, we both agree Fegan is doing the ‘’dirty work’’. Fegan probably had plans for all scenarios. Nene would have only taken less if he was assured Dwight was coming. Once ownership squashed the deal, he re-upped with Denver.
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But thats what doesnt make sense.
He took less to sign with Denver, not New Jersey. New Jersey reportedly offered him 4/60-70 (Depending who you read) where as he signed with Denver for 5/67. I cant imagine he sees Denver as contenders for a title and resigned there for less money. Doesnt really make sense to me.
All of that may very well be true.
But the man pulling the trigger on all of these terrible deals that put us in this situation is a part of the organization, and he is bad.
Question
does Martins have a Twitter?
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yea!
@thenetsaintgettinghoward…happy?
by extremoceleste on Dec 15, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
We'll see about that, my friend
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Keep in mind, there are several teams out there dumb enough to take a one year rental on Howard.
And as that deadline approaches, they may get antsy.
Wouldn’t be at all surprised if the Lopez/Bynum thing is a smokescreen. Who says we need to go big for big? Go value for value.
Yes, get the best value
Even if it isn’t players we really want, if they can be flipped then go for the value. Nothing I’ve seen offered so far is good value at all.
Yugly.
whatever the case may be...
RDV and Alex Martins need to MAKE SURE he going to a WEST team. I dont wanna see him torch the magic 3-4 times per season
by extremoceleste on Dec 15, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
BK is the master of multi-team deals
He’ll get a Western Conference team involved just to keep Dwight away from LA. He’s made 5(6 when this trade happens) 3 or 4 team deals.
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Can you name the good deals he has done?
King was also featured in Bill Simmons fictitious “First Atrocious Annual GM Summit” for all the “great” deals he has done.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060224
Here is a summary…
“Just look at what I’ve done in Philly: Since we made the 2001 Finals, I gave Mutombo a $68 million extension even though he could have been, like, 48 years old for all we knew. I gave $35.5 million to Aaron McKie. I gave $29 million to Eric Snow. I gave $18 million to Greg Buckner. I gave $40 million to Kenny Thomas and $25 million to Brian Skinner. I gave $25 million to Kyle Korver and $60 million to Sam Dalembert last summer. That’s $300 million of contracts to guys who were either on the decline or never that good in the first place. Plus, I traded for other bad contracts, guys like Keith Van Horn, Glenn Robinson, Kevin Ollie, you name it. And then, last February, the pinnacle — dumping three bad contracts for C-Webb, who everyone thought couldn’t be traded because of his contract and because he ran with a limp. Now we have an aging team built around two past-their-prime stars and our cap space is killed through 2008. And we completely wasted Iverson’s prime, when he was one of the best players of his generation.”
He has probably made more bad deals than good, so lets not act like he is the 2nd coming of Jerry West or RC Buford.
by mdg999 on Dec 15, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And I don't mean smokescreen conspiratorially. Just, those are the names circulating.
But you have to think Otis is fielding all kinds of offers, and considering all kinds of deals. Doubt he’s dead set on trying to recover value specifically at the 5 position, if better value is available at another.
I read somewhere, wish I could remember where, that Otis has like 15 offers so far.
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Otis may have 15 offers, but
Dwight has made it clear his Top 3 are:
1 Nets
2 Mavericks
3 Lakers
I don’t take Dallas seriously cause they have nothing to offer in the way of a trade. I don’t think the Lakers will do Pau+Bynum cause Kobe’s already ticked off about Odom being traded, and I don’t think management wants to trade any more of his wingmen away. That leaves Otis with 1 choice. Question, though: why not just take back a bushel of picks? It’s a great draft. You know you can’t get equal value back, so why not just reload quickly that way?
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Lakers just got owned by the Clippers
I have a feeling they will be willing to shake things up a bit more now.
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by Eric9321 on Dec 15, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You may be right
and that’s why I felt BK had to do this as soon as possible. They’re the only factor that scares me. I have 2 questions:
Explain the Bird rights situation?
If Otis waits, doesn’t that affect the cap situation for you guys?
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Bird rights only affect Dwight's next deal.
The team that Dwight is playing for on January 1st can give him a 5 year deal with 7.5% annual raises. All other teams can do 4 years/4.5%.
So, it is Dwight’s interest to be on the team he already wants to sign with by the end of the year. It is in the Magic’s interest to not trade him until after that so they can offer a much larger package (about $30 million larger total).
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
Thank you for clearing that up
What I don’t get is why keep him if he’s not re-signing? I think you guys won’t even have him for the whole season, but in the off-chance you did, i’d say nothing short of a Finals appearance will keep him around. That’s why I think Fegan is trying to get him out of here now. What about the cap situation? I heard that if you guys wait to trade him, you won’t get as much cap relief. Am I correct on that?
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Kobe LOUDLY demanded a trade before the 2007 season.
In the middle of the year, the Lakers brought in Gasol (on a deal no one saw coming) and got him to stay and win a couple more titles.
Just because we don’t think there are any deals out there before the season starts, doesn’t mean there won’t be.
The Magic gain nothing by acting quickly but stand to lose plenty. On that front, it really is a no brainer.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
Your 2nd point is your best one
There will be deals before the season starts. It’s up to ownership to decide whether they want to accept or not.
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Kobe demanded a trade in year 3 of a 7 year deal.
No leverage except pouting.
Dwight has an ETO this year.
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 15, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually he had on opt out I believe.
It was a year or two away. I believe.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Aha.
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 15, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
by chaucer on Dec 17, 2011 9:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think those 15 deals are about Dwight
The way it was phrased made me think it is about potential deals involving other players. It is not impossible he has a deal for Dwight out there (“Miami, we’ll give you Dwight for Lebron straight up if you want”), but it doesn’t seem like that is what he’s talking about.
Oh, and I assure you that if the Magic were to trade him for Lebron, Dwight would stay there. (Not saying it’s happening, I’m just saying that his opinions could be swayed by the situation).
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
Very possible, I didn't really think outside the box about it may be deals to appease Howard.
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Exactly
what is it the Nets are offering that is better than what the Mavs can offer?
by Satch30 on Dec 15, 2011 2:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What can the Mavs offer?
Give me a prospective package.
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I don't know
even if he did, you wouldn’t find anything of use there, the Magic are one of the most tight lipped organizations in the NBA.
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Finally, some good news!
by Memphissleek on Dec 15, 2011 12:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Damn
These Nets trolls are really persistent…
by FFMagic on Dec 15, 2011 12:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Last time I saw a Nets fans they wore bags over there heads after an 0-18 start.
by Grumption on Dec 15, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe you can borrow them when Dwight leaves
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Is it really necessary to mention the bags over people's heads?
Seriously. Just say things differently. I don’t know how many times I have to say it.
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Go back to netsdaily if you don't like it
Here we are magic fans venting and discussing things from a magic perspective.
Yugly.
I know that
I’m saying that I feel all blogs should be discussed in a more respectful tone.
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No, acronyms don't
I’d prefer ’’no’’ or ‘’I disagree’’.
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Okay I give up
I will now go join Nets daily to be an a hole to Nets fans. Congrats.
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lol
You know some of us DO read netsdaily. That comment is hilarious in that context. The difference is we READ netsdaily not post intentionally inflammatory comments over and over there.
Yugly.
Nothing's intentional
I’m giving my unbiased opinion based on what i’ve heard in the media.
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you have nothing to say
that is not entirely biased.
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by Eric9321 on Dec 15, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you guys are better than we are
for the time being. Better at C(for now). That’s unbiased.
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I'm taking a break from here for the rest of today
The trolls are really getting to me so I’m going to go before I completely lose it.
Sorry Evan, I’ve been taking the bait in a bad way the last 2 days.
Yugly.
I think Magic fans might have to face it
Dwight wants to leave town for whatever reason. He says he wants to win, but I don’t see the Nets or Lakers giving him the ability to do so more than the Magic. This team is built around him. Dwight wants to leave because he really just wants to live somewhere else, or he really dislikes the Magic’s owners/management. Deron is a great player, but he is not so much better than Jameer that Deron, Hedo, and Dwight will be contending. The Magic have shown a willingness to spend money to surround him, albeit with bad choices, but they were willing to go for it. Him leaving is more of his personal desire to play with his buddy Deron who obviously gets to dictate where they play more than Dwight. I am insulted that Dwight or anyone would blame the players on the Magic. Yes there were bad moves, but this team is better than the one that got to the Finals. The Magic were very good to Dwight and sacrificed their best player basically to draft him (T-Mac wanted the pick traded)). The only problem was the Heat. The Magic built a contender, this team is one right now. Unfortunately a bunch of sissies who didn’t want to have to earn a championship all piggy piled on one team to stack the odds in their favor. This team can beat a Wade team, a Lebron team, and we have shown it. Last year was a mess, if you look at the big picture, this team has shown its ability and desire to reach the pinnacle. Shame on Dwight for inferring otherwise. He should be pointing the finger at the real problem, and that was the selfishness of the Heat players.
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by Eric9321 on Dec 15, 2011 3:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Wake up ... you are dreaming!
This team is not a championship contender … it is the byproduct of Otis Smith’s foolishness, and there is no way around it.
Do you think this team is worse than the 2009 team?
Starting Rafer Alston and an undersized rook SG? Just curious.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
Rashard and Turk were really really really good that year.
There’s nothing like them on the team now. This version of Turk is much worse, and people consistently underrate just how good and valuable Rashard was that year.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 16, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, 2010/11 Turk was comparable (and actually more efficient) than 2008/9
The team didn’t play as well (lots of guys shooting way below their averages down the stretch), but not Turk.
This time around Turk had better FG%, 3pt%, more assists, fewer turnovers, more blocks and more steals compared to 2008/9. He did have fewer FG attempts this year (and subsequently total points while playing fewer minutes) and .8 fewer rebounds.
Rashard played great without a doubt, but Ryan Anderson seems to only be getting better and now has another year in the system. No, he’s not Rashard, but I expect he will continue to increase his production for the team (and he rebounds better than Lewis).
Aside from statistically unusual shooting performances for the whole team in the playoffs, the biggest issue last year was that Brandon Bass seemed to be a real issue on the offensive end of the floor. His game did not fit the team’s scheme and he used up far too many possessions. Also, Arenas averaging over 10 shots a game at 31% shooting didn’t help, either.
The 2009 team got on a roll at the right time (or, maybe they started it 4 games too early), but even the series they won were pretty close and could have readily gone the other way. Just like if last years Hawks don’t shoot well above average while the Magic shoot well below, the Magic get to the ECF because they matchup against Chicago.
I’m just saying that when looking at the actual realities of what happened the past few years, it’s not as dramatically different as it seems when relying on memory and nostalgia.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
Yeah I actually preferred 2010-2011 Turk to 09 Turk
I HATED 09 Turk. He took bad shots and would disappear I wished he would disappear for the entire game. He would make a few buckets late occasionally and thats the only thing people remember (for the most part) but there were too many games where he’d be 2-12 and 4-13.
Yeah, but his defense was a lot better back then.
He’s aged really quickly on the defensive end…and he probably cares less now, too.
Point taken, though.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 18, 2011 2:59 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, but you have brought up two positions which I will have a hard time to argue against.
For that team, however, every thing had fallen in place … Alston and his back-up (AJ) played solid … rookie SG was great defensively, and was hitting timely 3s … MP was out of his mind, offensively and defensively … Rashard was a nightmare for PFs offensively while his defense was underrated … Hedo, well was Hedo but better than current Hedo when he was putting hid head down attacking the rim. That team was also better defensively at the backcourt, especially when MP was inserted in the mix.
I completely agree
But that was also way better in the ECF than anyone would have predicted in training camp that year, too. Players get better (and worse). Also, time playing together and in the same system is frequently overlooked and I expect nearly every player on the team will have a better showing this year than last if only for the fact they’ve all been together more than half a season.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
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