NBA Rumors: Orlando Magic End Dwight Howard Trade Discussions, According to Report
by Evan Dunlap on Dec 14, 2011 2:49 PM EST
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The Orlando Magic have decided to cease fielding trade offers for superstar center Dwight Howard, Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reports, citing "league sources." Orlando, which has made clear its goal is to convince Howard to re-sign with it long term, will enter the season with Howard and, in all likelihood, only re-open trade discussions if Howard makes clear he wishes to continue his career elsewhere.
The Magic had granted Howard's agent, Dan Fegan, permission to seek a trade with the three other teams in which he's interested: the Dallas Mavericks, Los Angeles Lakers, and New Jersey Nets. It appears as though Howard prefers New Jersey to the other two teams, but its inability to put together an acceptable trade package--even after talking the Portland Trail Blazers into agreeing to send Gerald Wallace, a former All-Star, to the Magic--has ended its chances to acquire Howard via trade.
Perhaps the Magic are still open to dealing their franchise cornerstone, and that this news is only coming out in order to drive up Howard's trade value. It'd be naïve not to consider that possibility. However, I tend to believe Orlando's reluctance to trade Howard is genuine, insofar as it believes it can keep him for the rest of his career.
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Woohoo!
Now let’s at least make some minor improvements.
by Satch30 on Dec 14, 2011 2:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
look at this trade.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7xndcg9
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Trade machine can see into the future and realizes Anderson is on the verge of an MVP season?
Otherwise I have no idea.
Yugly.
I don't think CP3 will resign with the Nets, he wants to play with Melo not live across the street from him.
Oderint dum metuant
by jBen05 on Dec 14, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good one.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
NIce deal, but I think we could go for this one
by Leandro. on Dec 14, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
lol just kidding mateo
no hard feellings, right?
Jameer, Anderson, and Richardson for Deron Williams...
makes perfect sense
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
for all the crap they tried to trade us for dwight, why not
by INTOTHEMEATGRINDER on Dec 14, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
I say we offer Anderson, Duhon, Orton, $3Mil & two first round picks for Deron Williams
With an attached note that says:
“See how that feels?”
P.S. I know the salaries don’t match up
Best Wishes,
Otis
Supporting from Hawai'i
by 808duck on Dec 14, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Maybe if we explain that they are going to be strong drafts in 2013 & 2015, they will go for it
But we explain it in a less condescending manner.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
We still need to make a move to gain a piece to help us win and show Dwight management is serious about keeping him here
by Randall1178 on Dec 14, 2011 2:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
that’s the problem though, who can we get? Otis has backed us into a corner (at least for this year). We got Glen Davis who was on his list for whatever reason. I don’t see us being able to sign someone significant this year. But i’m trying to be a negative nancy so who knows.
by Happypedro25 on Dec 14, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Well done!
Even Cleveland got picks and stuff when Lebron walked. So I say hold him as long as we can. Only trade him at the deadline if he says he is definitely going.
Thank goodness!
Now the Magic can put their whole focus on preparing for the upcoming season with D12 (at least until the next trade rumor springs up).
Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Bears... 2010 NFC North Champion
Orlando Magic... 1995 and 2009 Eastern Conference Champions
by Mike from Illinois on Dec 14, 2011 3:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully this means...
that the magic are getting ready to make a big time move to bring in some much needed help
I doubt that is the case, but one can hope
My guess is they are trying to cool the media circus resulting from this. I mean, there will continue to be endless questions (I am loathe to think about national TV games already), but perhaps it will put the kibosh on ESPN running front page headlines based on rumors like they did this morning: “Dwight to the Nets?”
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
YEEEES!
I’m so happy to hear this. I just wanted to make it to the pre-season game and if we sucked there then I wouldn’t have been as sad since I saw Dwight play again. But the Magic did the smart thing and are waiting it out. Can’t wait for the season now!!!
EAT ME
part of me is worried that a deal HAS been made
which is why trade talk would technically stop D:
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nah.
Talks are over. Dwight is here till March at least.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
by Mateo9399 on Dec 14, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think so.
NO point in trading him now. Orlando could get on a hot streak. Whatever you want to say about who is on the team, the Magic have a bunch of bodies. To me they can keep everyone’s minutes down, and keep everyone healthy. Thus they may have an inflated win/loss total at the end of the season. I would try to bring in Earl Clark, just to have someone who knows the system and to have one more big. Maybe we can have the best record in the east through attrition. Boozer will miss about 15-30 games, somewhere in that range. Boston is SUPER thin and OLD on top of that. Miami is not deep either. The Knicks aren’t. So Von Wafer is not the best player, that is fine he is better than the 3rd SF on most other teams.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Hooray! We can play basketball now.
Now we just gotta beat the Thunder on opening night to show people that we’re legit.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
by cgsimone on Dec 14, 2011 3:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
No Trade = Happy Fan!
I just hope that Otis has taken note of what the fans are saying and checked himself! This is where D12 belongs and fingers crossed where he will be for the rest of his career. This team has a GREAT Coach, a Great All-Star 3 Defensive Player of the year Centre a GREAT new Arena and a GREAT city!! Now all we need are the final pieces to the puzzle. Bring on the start of the season!
Otis should have checked himself….right out of the front office and into the unemployment line. Dude is just as responsible as anyone else for our situation.
by Happypedro25 on Dec 14, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Nets fan here, I'm not trying to troll
but I’m seriously wondering…I see you guys keep saying that you need to bring in a superstar. But if the Nets’ young talented center, cap space, and draft picks is not enough to get a deal done for your superstar, then what do the Magic have to offer to land a star player?
by SovietBrooklyn on Dec 14, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
the beautiful state of Florida?
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 14, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
AND we have breathable air!
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 14, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Our owner isnt runnin for president
but he isnt a pu$$y either, and Jersey is number one in the nation for the gay community and fully support the WNBA
what? LOL
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
How does that factor into a trade. Will the other team’s GM and owner come in the deal too?
by SovietBrooklyn on Dec 14, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think we're jokin' around, hun
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 14, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Why do you make me chase you around to answer your questions sevenh times...
If Brook Lopez PER 19.33 and nothing is a great offer for a top 5 player. Then Ryan Anderson PER 19.1 is a super great offer for a player outside of the top 5.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
going on PER is misleading. Especially considering the awful team Brook has been on
You’d be crazy not to trade Anderson straight up for Brook.
by SovietBrooklyn on Dec 14, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
The point is...
That the Nets have nothing. No one really thinks Lopez is going to be an elite player. He’s essentially a poor man’s Rony Seikaly (Rony Seikaly has a career rpg of 9.5 and three times averaged over 11 rebound per game).
So the Nets acting like they made a good offer for Howard but trying to say that the Magic have nothing to offer other teams is absurd.
Nelson, Redick, Richardson, Anderson, Harper, Orton all have value. Certainly the Magic have better players than New Jersey does.
So if the Nets can potentially make a trade for a star, really, anyone can.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Also...
If Otis made that trade and we get Rony Seikaly, we get talked about like dogs for not getting enough value for the best C in the world.
by Absolute_ on Dec 14, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry to correct you, Absolute_.
But it’s “poor man’s Rony Seikaly”.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
you arent trying to get Brook
You are trying to get DWIGHT HOWARD==BIG DIFFERENCE
by Vanek on Dec 14, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
young talented center? WE talking lopez? You have brooklyn, but we have the team that took a chance and drafted him. His home for the last 7-8 years and a team that is on the verge of a championship. The nets are the deron williams show. And might i add he is a FA next year to. If we trade for a star Orlando turns into NJ for dwight. Im sooo happy by this news.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
That's half the problem with the NBA today...
Everyone thinks you need 2 or more superstars to win. Orlando isn’t really looking for another superstar (although they’d take one if they could) they just need a solid number 2 borderline all-star type player.
Please leave a message, I'm busy hiding my cat from TGS.
by malenko on Dec 14, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe with LeBron you need another superstar, but with Dwight you only need a "solid number 2 borderline all-star type player" to be competitive in the playoffs.
Oderint dum metuant
by jBen05 on Dec 14, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I would say we need a guy at the 1-3 spot who is at least top 7 or top 5 in his position. Gotta have someone who can create their own shot. God if T-mac would have stayed 2 more years….
by Happypedro25 on Dec 14, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
No kidding!
The Mavs had Dirk and a bunch of team players. They were able to get it done, and against a team with 3 all stars. If Otis stops messing the Chemistry of the team, I think Howard is enough. I will say we need a scorer who can create for himself.
by Jimmys on Dec 14, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Chemistry and continuity is important. That’s why I have no problem with the JRich signing (though would obviously move him (or any player) if it meant a big talent upgrade). Barring that, the best thing the Magic can do is improve as a TEAM. It’s not an all star game.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
Good comparison
Teams are trying to have All Star games in the regular season!
hopefull
we really need another true superstar with howard. Is there anyway we can get devon williams or chris paul? If we can I promise u D12 will stay and we become champion contenders
umm.
To be honest that is kinda unrealistic, we dont even need a superstar! The Mavericks showed if you have a stong team and good players with 1 super star you can beat miami. We have our superstar, if we could add a star like iggy, or josh smith or ellis we can surely win a championship. I personally want Iggy in pinstripes
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
mavericks had 1 superstar and like 4 all stars IMO. we have a superstar and a former college player of the year, and some guy from turkey lol
by Happypedro25 on Dec 14, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Really? I mean Dirk and Chandler and Terry and Barea. I watched the finals but no way they had 4 all-stars. And their superstar is not as good as ours either. Im tellin u another star and good team chemistry gives us a shot in the east. I mean Orlando,NY,Miami and Chicago is the top 4. Some might say ATL but last yr was very shaky.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
all three of those teams including atlanta would still beat us, And i’m sorry, three all-stars, we have none.
by Happypedro25 on Dec 14, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Based on what?
The Magic outscored Atlanta in their series and shot 20% below their average on 3s while the Hawks shot 60+% on 3s in the last 3 second of the shot clock. You really think those numbers would be the same if you played it again?
As for the others, the Magic owned the Knicks last year, split with Miami. They were 1-3 against the Bulls, but 2 of those were on back-to-backs and one they didn’t have Dwight.
I’m not so sure the Magic suck as much as you think they do.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
lol ok then. I’m just going with what I saw. Throw up all your numbers and “what-ifs” end of the day we got spanked by another team that also got spanked in the playoffs. We added no one and lost a player that contributed nothing anyway. So by that rationale now we can contend for the ECF? your thinking of the magic from like 3 years ago.
by Happypedro25 on Dec 14, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Teams have bad games and bad series
2010: #2 Dallas Mavericks lose to #7 seed San Antonio in 6 games.
2011: Mavs win it all.
Yeah, they got Chandler, and while a great player, it was people like Jason Terry who had a PER of 11 the first year having a 20 the next. And Kidd (13.5 to 15.7), Barea (8 to 16), Marion (7.9 to 15). Pretty much the entire team (aside from Dirk) played markedly better in 2011.
People improve. People decline. People have shooting slumps at bad times. People (like JRich) slice their foot open and get stitches at the start of the series. However, people who play together longer tend to get better. Even the Magic weren’t much different between 2008 and 2009, but the 2nd year got them to the finals.
I’m just not sold on the doom and gloom and constant need to overhaul everything mentality that “the decision” seems to have thrust upon the NBA.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
by EnnBee on Dec 14, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Man, you're right about the Mavs last year.
They just went supernova.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
for a German
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
2 Former College players of the year
Don’t discount Jameer.
"LeBron doesn’t guard the other team’s best scorer until crunch-time of games, if at all. ... LeBron spends the vast majority of his time defending a non-threat on the perimeter, leaving him free to roam for weak-side blocks or steals." -John Krolik, Cavs: the blog
Name the four CURRENT All Star Worthy players on the Mavs. Even as far back as last year.
Dirk. Nowitzki. That’s about it. Bunch of “good” players. They “fit” better than what they had in talent.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
We already are a championship contender
Everyone last year said we needed another “Big” and a scorer. Well, we still have J-Rich (another year in the system) and now we got Wafer and Glen Davis…I think we are probably better this year going in to a shortened season than we were in the Atlanta series.
by Absolute_ on Dec 14, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Only if J-Rich can find ways to create his own shot. He hadn't had to do that in Phoenix with Nash creating, and he's another year older.
Really don’t have any confidence in the guards we brought in, and I’m an FSU guy. Wafer just hasn’t been able to hang at this level.
Phoenix J-Rich
That is not the J-Rich from Golden State. That J-Rich was able to create his own shot. I think he never had the chance in Phoenix to be that guy. Their offense was not catered to that type of player.
you are completely crazy to believe we are a championship contender. I went to that first playoff game last year, in the Amway arena, and we got destroyed. Dwight had 40 everyone else had 6pts. Everyone on the Magic not wearing #12 looked like they should be playing in a local gym, and still getting beat.
by Happypedro25 on Dec 14, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Chemisty
How well did this team gel after the trade in December? Most of the team was still new to the team…while I agree we got whipped, I am not ready to say that our team went from contender to pretender by keeping the December team intact minus Bass add Davis/Wafer. I think we’ll be fine.
I don’t see it. Maybe J rich and turk will benefit without the long season wearing them down, but when it comes down to it they still aren’t able to create their own shot consistently in big moments. Please leave out Hedo of like 4 years ago, that was a fluke and he is turned to crap since then.
by Happypedro25 on Dec 14, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
as well you shouldn’t lol. Like I said previously, I went to that playoff game where Dwight was the only one in double digits after the half. Only one. in double digits. at half. Chemistry or not these are still professional athletes and you don’t get shut down like that unless your not really that good.
by Happypedro25 on Dec 14, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Hate to be a debbie downer but..
I have to agree..looking at what we have now and comparing that to the upper echelon of teams..we need another star to compete..not necessarily a Deron Williams or CP3, although that would be nice, but definitely a “Iguodala/Gerald Wallace” type of guard that can create for themselves and team mates, draw fouls, and get to the free throw line..quite frankly, we don’t have that on our current roster
Kevin Martin is my number 1 most wanted.
And the fact Houston was thinking of giving him up in the CP3 trade gives me a slight glimmer of hope. Although his defense is pretty bad but we would bring him in as a stopper.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
You may disagree with me but...
If JJ doesn’t have a strained abdominal right before the playoffs, we beat the Hawks and at least scare the Bulls. He wasn’t the same player when he came back for the Hawks series, probably needed more time to rest.
"LeBron doesn’t guard the other team’s best scorer until crunch-time of games, if at all. ... LeBron spends the vast majority of his time defending a non-threat on the perimeter, leaving him free to roam for weak-side blocks or steals." -John Krolik, Cavs: the blog
We would have destroyed the Bulls
Dwight Howard negates the 2 best player’s on their team Noah and Rose. Atl beat us because
A) They wanted it more
B) Crawford had a fluke series
C) Nobody outside of Dwight had any offense
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Our guards want to know what that is
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
yes I stutter
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Orlando matches up very well with Chicago.
by Evan Dunlap on Dec 14, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Evan, regarding the warning
Ok, but he’s been trolling all day. Can you PLEASE, please, deal with it? It isn’t like I toss out insults all the time or anything, but this guy is on here trolling and trolling and trolling.
Yugly.
thank you!
this page should be for MAGIC fans ONLY!…Brook lopez’ fans…keep it moving PLEASE
by extremoceleste on Dec 14, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
You can't let a few cranky NJ fans ruin it for the rest of the civilized NBA fans out there.
Oderint dum metuant
You should be glad they are here
Fans of other teams only show up for 2 reasons, to gloat over a victory or to try and talk smack to build up their own team. Since Orlando saying they won’t trade Howard isn’t a victory for them, then you should just take it as they are starting to get nervous.
Please leave a message, I'm busy hiding my cat from TGS.
"he that wrestles with us strengthens our nerves, and sharpens our skills. our antagonist is our helper."
"Generally, when I draw the play, it's just who's going where. Maybe I have not made it clear enough that we would like the ball to go in the basket."
by AB's triple double on Dec 14, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
otis smith is the worst gm in the league.
Howard’s not going to sign an extension. I like the Magic but gerald wallace,brook lopez,and 2 first round picks in the best draft since lebron and carmelo for a guy who’s going to end up somwhere else anyways is ridiculous. That’s the best offer they will ever get. I let Otis track record speak for itself, Lewis, arenas, carter, etc. The guy is terrible
We were not getting Wallace, Lopez AND 2 first round picks...
Stop!!! It was Wallace, Lopez and Johan Petro…
Yea ur right my bad but it's still the best deal for howard.
I like the Magic so i guess ill just wish you guys the best of luck hopefully shaq 2.0 does not happen again. And if Otis kept the team exactly the way it was after the finals you guys would have probably got a ring by now. There was so much upside to Courtney Lee and With turk you guys had so much chemistry. Im a little pissed thet were going to have to wait but if we can’t get him I hope you guys add one more piece and get back to the finals
by brickznujerz on Dec 14, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I wanna see if I got this right...
That’s the best offer they will ever get.
Wasn’t that the same thing all the Nets fans were saying when the dael was just Lopez and 2 1st round picks
Please leave a message, I'm busy hiding my cat from TGS.
by malenko on Dec 14, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't really disagree
He has been terrible. Not making a rash move now makes him a little less so. Signing Glenn and engaging Howard for input could just flip this thing around. Time will tell. I have a feeling a similar deal can be reached later, unless the Nets want to wait until the off season and bet against Dallas and the Magic? Magic fans have to wait and see, guess Net’s fans will have to as well.
I am made of bits of real panther so you know I'm good.
I agree with Otis' decision. If you give Dwight to NJ with Deron, you're not getting lottery balls with your picks next year.
I wouldn’t trade Howard for the entire Dallas squad that won it all last year. Until his departure is a foregone conclusion, the goal is to build a championship team around him here in Orlando.
by MagicPhan on Dec 14, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I understand howard worries, the top team are getting really good.
don’t forget we got eliminated by atl in the first round. otis has to give him help
hahaha
they just want howard and are now mad that they have to wait lol.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
by dunkface94 on Dec 14, 2011 3:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Meanwhile, over at Nets Daily:
http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/12/14/2636098/howard-trade-talks-end
Yikes, sky is falling…apparently.
Can we avoid discussing what's happening at NetsDaily?
I mean, read the comments over there if you like, but I don’t think talking about the schadenfreude here is too terribly productive.
by Evan Dunlap on Dec 14, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
"offered everything they could for Howard: Brook Lopez + FIVE 1st Rd picks."
That makes me have a little faith in management. That is a really good frigging deal. I am rally glad old itchy trade finger Otis didn’t pull the trigger and realized that is a good deal, Dwight is much better.
I am made of bits of real panther so you know I'm good.
till 2018 though
Ya but its 5 first rounds over the course of 7 years. The Magic have all those seats to fill now. Its a good chance that would of been franchise suicide
by DaytonaJim00 on Dec 14, 2011 4:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
If Howard has taken another step in his offensive progression, is it insane to think we may have a strong enough supporting cast to contend?
Obviously there’s no way to tell what kind of productivity we’ll get out of guys like Hughes, Harper and Wafer.
If Turkoglu has anything left in the tank and can bounce back, and Ryan Anderson continues to progress, that could be a potent 3/4 combo.
So many lingering questions. But if Howard comes out a better inside scorer than last year, and can hit some free throws…this team may not have the best pieces, but may have the pieces it needs.
by Jtyler998 on Dec 14, 2011 4:02 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I agree
the biggest problem will be chemistry I think. Knowing Dwight will be planning his moves based on the Magic’s performance could prove overwhelming. An extended losing streak could spiral out of control, unless our veterans and recent acquisitions keep the ‘family’ focused.
I am made of bits of real panther so you know I'm good.
Obviously I really agree with this
sorry for the dp! ;)
I am made of bits of real panther so you know I'm good.
If the NBA is concerned about a trade with Chris Paul to LA being too one sided
then can we be included in a three or four team trade to switch some assets around and keep competitive balance?
In other words, here are the people who’ve been put on the block in the Chris Paul saga: Pau Gasol, Chris Kamen, Eric Bledsoe, Trevor Ariza, picks etc.
Kamen in particular I think would be a good pickup for our backup C that we need. Or they could get Houston back in on it. I’m just pointing out that piggybacking on a trade with Paul would probably have the best assets flying around since he’s the best player available. We’re not getting Paul himself so we should stop looking at that.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
Kamen would be a wasted talent at backup C.
Dwight plays too many minutes for him to have an impact.
Oderint dum metuant
Kinda like Gortat.
But that was great when we had it. Plus, if we’re serious about making a run this year Kamen only has a year on his contract I think.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
I don't care about the nets
the truth is we got some pieces, but we are not championship contenders. this team got eliminated by the hawks. we need a superstar to be our closer. othis is the “GM” he has to make a trade or trades that make the diffrenece. that the only way we can become contenders and keep D12. “GM” do your job!
I thought there was a hurricane a coming
Turns out all of central Florida just let out a collective sigh of relief.
I am made of bits of real panther so you know I'm good.
nets fan here
i’m not gonna be a jerk about this. i totally understand where magic management is coming from. if we had dwight i wouldnt give him up unless the last glimmer of hope is gone. and if you guys can keep dwight with guys like big baby, more power to you.
but there is no way you guys can get cp3 or deron with the assets you have. i’m sorry, but it just isnt happening.
<3
I love how Nets fans are the highest authorities on the Magic’s roster.
They know exactly what value our guards have. Are experts on our young players. They must do nothing but watch tape of Magic players.
It’s not everyday we get someone with so much first hand knowledge of our team visiting. Would you be willing to answer some questions, perhaps?
How much PT do you think Harper and Orton are going to get early on?
How does Richardson’s shot look in camp?
Isn’t Redick very handsome?
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ok, even if anderson, harper, orton etc are great as you seem to think
the clippers offered eric gordon, al-farouq aminu, eric bledsoe, and minnesota’s unprotected first rounder for CP3, and the league rejected.
orlando can’t beat that. let’s be real here, no one can beat that. nets couldn’t, lakers couldn’t, no one could.
and the nets are not gonna trade d-will to orlando.
so i’m just saying you guys can’t get cp3 or deron
...
I don’t believe the Magic need CP3 or Deron Williams as the end all be all for keeping Dwight.
Amnestying Arenas and Stretch Amnestying Hedo would go a long way toward opening up cap space / trading opportunities like the Lakers sending Odom to the Mavericks for nothing.
A few simple moves like that and the Magic are back on Dwights good side
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Can't stretch Hedo, can only do it on new contracts
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Thanks for letting me know malenko I appreciate that knowledge =)
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
I'll stretch Hedo
HEY OOOO
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 14, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
LoL what the... 0_o
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by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
omg this comment
ap3604, if you had to sleep with one member of the Magic, who would it be?
See?
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 14, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Big Baby
He seems like a cuddler.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
sigh
also, lol at your sig
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 14, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure I have the best sig ever, now.
#winning
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry giant squid, I just saw the JJ handsome reply and Stretching Hedo comments so I figured you had a crush on a few of the Magic players the same way LJRotter does on Mavsmoneyball =P
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
JJ is hideous
Turk is my favorite player, though. I have no idea who LJRotter is.
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 14, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Would you be pissed losing a 8 ppg 34% shooter from last season if that meant you free'd up cap room to get a free Lamar Odom?
Mainly Dwight just want’s a good roster
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
The Clippers refused to include Eric Gordon.
That was the whole point of why the deal fell through. The league wanted both Gordon and the Minnesota pick and L.A. said, no, one or the other.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
even if that's true
what orlando asset measures up to gordon or that pick
Well, if Brooks Lopez is supposed to be enough to land the best center of his generation, I'd say most of them.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
i said i understood orlando's point of view
i wouldn’t trade dwight for the brook lopez pupu platter either
Why ask questions you already know the answer to? 0_o
Is there a point to this?
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
don't you already know the answer to that question?
:p
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 14, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
The pick is ambiguous.
Minnesota has rookies Rubio and Williams joining an already improving young core. The pick could be anywhere from 10-14. People are treating it like it’s already a top-5 pick.
Orlando can offer better young players than Bledsoe and Aminu. And salary cap relief.
Orlando also has some additonal leverage because the Magic and the Knicks are Pauls #1 & #2 preferred destinations. Where as he won’t extend with L.A. (clippers).
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
bledsoe and aminu are simple throw ins
orlando can’t offer cap relief
and still there’s no one who measures up to gordon
How is it that Orlando can't offer cap relief? lol
And, I already told you. They said no to including Gordon. If they were going to trade Gordon, Paul would be a Clipper already.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
ok we'll settle this easy
get on the trade machine and whip up a cp3/deron trade that’s good for all parties involved.
Impossible.
Is the Lopez – Howard deal good for the Magic?
Is the Bledsoe/Aminu/Kaman – Paul deal really good for the Hornets?
None of these trades are good for all parties. So your proposition is inherently flawed.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ugh
That would require wild speculation and completely unfounded assumptions on my part.
Especially because three or more teams would probably have to be involved.
As such it would be notoriously inaccurate and I am loathe to make an attempt.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Do you have any documentation of the NBA vetoing such a trade between the Hornets and Clippers?
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"Isn’t Redick very handsome?"
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 14, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Look at the bright side Squid, if Orlando is going to make a deal to try and get better, he's got to be one high up on the list to be going.
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I made you angry?
I’m sorry. Don’t throw tables at me.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 14, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
hey evan?
can the magic sign guys like jr smith and wilson chandler midway through the season after they come back from overseas if so i think the magic should keep the mle if they can use it later trying to get one of those players
End of March I believe is the earliest they could be signed...
might be too late in the season to get them up to speed
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Why does yahoo say
Dwight is very upset with this decision…wasn’t it just Monday when he seemed to be opening up to coming back to Orlando?? I can’t take much more of this ahhhhhh!!!
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 4:43 PM EST reply actions
because Yahoo apparently hates me
and jut had to rain on my parade…I had really thought Dwight was open to staying, then why would he be upset. I hope it is another of those made up sources.
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where you see that, I haven't seen any reports that claimed this.
I mean I know you said yahoo, but do you have a link to the article.
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"Dwight’s not a happy camper," one league source told Y! Sports.
I am made of bits of real panther so you know I'm good.
Sources sure talk a lot, don't they.
Maybe he’s just tired of the never ending “sources” spewing garbage everywhere.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
Sources also say that Howard wants to stay in Orlando but his entourage is the one pushing him to leave.
Stan Van Gundy said it best I think….
I don’t know who your sources is, but that guys an idiot
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by malenko on Dec 14, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hate entourages
I also hated Entourage. Huh.
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 14, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
After the third season Entourage became almost unwatchable.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 14, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
your a chic, of course you didnt like Entourage
I only stopped watching Entourage when E’s chic ruined the group
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
1) it's spelled "chick"
2) seriously???
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 14, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
For reals
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
He's saying you're chic.
That means you’re fashionable.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
That still wouldn’t make any sense.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 14, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
It doesnt need to. This is the internets
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
It does around here....................................
Mispell one word and the grammar gestapo will come out and arest you.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 14, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
you shouldn't be using so many ellipses...
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 14, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The Queen of the Grammar Gestapo.
She jumped right in the boat.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 14, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
oh come onnn I was doing that on purpose! :D
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 14, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
You should capitalize the first word in any sentence.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
go watch dwights interview on nba.com
he didnt seem to be to upset to me just wanted to talk about practice
by turbo champion on Dec 14, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
practice? he was talkin' 'bout practice?
was he sittin’ there talkin’ ‘bout practice? was he seriously talkin’ ’bout practice?
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 14, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
On a side note, I found the article you were talking about
The fact that it was written almost 3 hours ago and we haven’t heard (well I haven’t anyway) any other reporter or blogger close to the situation at hand mention Howard isn’t happy about it lends me to believe it’s speculation that he’s upset about it.
Also kind of strange that the report says that Howard again today asked to be traded and no one else is reporting that.
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by malenko on Dec 14, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hope so
But if the deal had to go to the Magic owner, that tells me Dwight and his agent were still pushing the deal. His being angry about it makes collaborates that theory. Still all speculation, but I could use a little positive spin at this point.
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Yeah I hear ya...
just that I wouldn’t worry about “sources say” stuff.
I could just imagine if I was a writer, my boss comes up to me and says “hey, we need an article that gets alot of page clicks / ad revenue otherwise were gonna have to let you go”
I would have a Dwight is pissed off article up by the end of the day if it saved my job. Either that or a CP3 type trade article.
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
"David Aldridge: Magic didn't like any offers, including 3-teamer w/ NJ and Blazers reported earlier. Goal is to keep D12 in Orlando as long as possible."
well, thats a relief.
Missing Dwight already..
Random Question
If I buy NBA season pass, will they show the preseason games there?
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 5:17 PM EST reply actions
oops not if...i definitely will buy nba season pass..but yea if anybody can lemme kno id greatly appreciate it
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
wouldn't it say in the agreement clause or something?
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 14, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
hmm im not sure ill chcek it out
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
When does pre-season start?
I want to see Harper looking like a young Danny Granger. It’s the only thing that is going to get me through December.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Orlando's first game is Sunday, the 2nd is Wed. the 21st
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2 preseason games against the Heat
First this Sunday in Miami, 2nd is a week from today in Orlando
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Just bought tickets to the Heat game in Orlando.
$250 a pop. :)
I don't know, but it's a complete rip off that they are having a shortened season but charging same price as what a full season normally does.
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YUP!
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
well your completely right, you do have an option of course
Not to pay it.. If enough season ticket holders opt out they will be forced to lower the cost
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
I just wish they offered a TV option where I could watch just one team.
That’s all I really care about 95% of the time.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
They generally have shown a couple in the past, but not many.
Usually it’s because the preseason games aren’t televised anywhere. I do know that Sunday’s game against Miami is supposed to be on Fox Florida, but I can’t confirm if it will be on League Pass. That stuff is updated so poorly (if at all) there is almost no way to tell.
I get the sports channels (so I can watch other Magic features) as well as the League Pass so I’ll be attempting to record/watch it, but I’m figuring there is a 50% chance it will be blacked out or something.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
cool
thanks everybody for the help…at times like these, I wish I lived in Orlando argg
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cu8wbxj
perfect
by reid-the-manuel on Dec 14, 2011 5:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Adrian Woj from Yahoo!: Howard requested a trade again on Wednesday, and warned the Magic if he isn't moved by trade deadline he will walk.
“He is not a happy camper,” sources said.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_dwight_howard_magic_nets_121411
wow
so it was all just PR. I really didn’t think Howard would lie about his intentions that sincerely. Self preservation makes us do things I guess. Damn him for getting my hopes up for absolutely nothing.
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It's the smart play for Orlando. The deal with NJ will always be there, and if Howard has an incredible season early on, teams will get antsy.
And if Howard is as wishy washy as people have said, by March he may be singing a different tune.
by Jtyler998 on Dec 14, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm am so over this crap... 1 report says this and another says this countering the previous report blah blah blah
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
im over it to.
Until i see it with my own eyes and its done, i believe no freakin SOURCE or whatever crap that is uttered from anyone’s mouth. Whether it be dwight,otis or chris “complete bull” broussard.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
This was posted hours ago and no one else has any kind of info remotely corroborating this
Also, this threat of walking if not traded is not attributed to anyone and sounds like a lot of extrapolation based on early statements. Perhaps I’m naive, but I wouldn’t give much credence to most of this. There are lots of weasel words in there to remove directly saying someone said this.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
by EnnBee on Dec 14, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for using "weasel words"
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
But he doesn't say this is new.
It could readily be from stuff last week (or even months ago) because he doesn’t give a timeframe even a little bit. Just that he “warned” at some point.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
He said Howard reiterated today
that he wanted a trade and if not they would lose him for nothing. It sounds to me like he was just trying to play nice during the holidays. It just feels like all hope of Dwight staying in a Magic uniform has just been sucked out of me.
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It's like I was saying above
I just find it very odd that this report was written over 3 hours ago, and no other reporter or blogger that are close to this situation have reported it. I’m not putting much stock in it. Only thing that worries me is it’s from Woj, and he’s normally right when it comes to things.
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And who are the sources?
Someone in the Nets’ office? He’d be close to the “situation” but have no actual knowledge of any such thing.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
I love this fact =)
makes it so players stay loyal or it costs em
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Except...
The new restrictions on sign and trades won’t be in effect yet. So if Howard wants to sign somewhere else the Magic will likely sign and trade him and he will make the full amount.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
That is not how I read it. I think the provision for "sign-and-trade" in terms of "years" and "annual increses" are absolute.
The section starts with the exception “during the 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons” on particular restrictions in “acquiring a free agent in a sign-and-trade if their team salary post-transaction would exceed the tax level by more than $4 million”. Then it continues “The maximum contract length for a sign-and-trade is 4 years, and maximum annual increases are 4.5%”.
I believe that what it is saying is...
II. Sign-and-Trades: Except during the 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons, teams are prohibited from acquiring a free agent in a sign-and-trade if their team salary post-transaction would exceed the tax level by more than $4 million. The maximum contract length for a sign-and-trade is 4 years, and maximum annual increases are 4.5%.
- “teams are prohibited from acquiring a free agent in a sign-and-trade if their team salary post-transaction would exceed the tax level by more than $4 million.” – Means that under the new CBA you cannot receive sign-and-trade players if you are over $4 million over the tax.
- “The maximum contract length for a sign-and-trade is 4 years, and maximum annual increases are 4.5%.” – Under the new CBA you can sign-and-trade a player to a team with cap space, but only for 4 years and 4.5% raises.
- “Except during the 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons” – What they are saying here is that the new CBA sign-and-trade rules don’t take effect until after the 2012-2013 season. During this time the sign-and-trade rules from the last CBA are still in effect.
i.e. Howard can be traded in a sign-and-trade for the full Bird’s Rights amount he would be eligible for by staying with the Magic.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
If they meant to apply the exception (2011-2012 and 2012-2013) to the entire paragraph, they would have placed it at the end of the paragrpah.
Instead, they asserted the exception, then they stated the “maximum contract length” and “maximum annual increases” in absolute terms, in my view.
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The paragraph details the new CBA rules regarding sign-and-trades.
And it is also pretty clear that the new rules don’t go into effect until after 2012-2013.
Which means the 4 year maximum with only 4.5% raises rule isn’t in effect yet.
And that the rules for sign-and-trades as established in the last CBA would be the rules that govern the transaction.
I honestly don’t see why there is confusion on this point.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
I have no doubt that I am reading it correctly. I invite others to weigh in.
Please read that paragraph one more time. If you still find any connection between the first and second sentence, let me know.
Incorrect.
The part in bold (the beginning of the sentence) is modifying the rest of that sentence only. It is NOT modifying the entire paragraph. That means for 2 years, you can sign and trade for any amount over the salary cap you want. The 4 years/4.5% is in effect now for all sign and trades.
You can see more evidence of this on Larry Coon’s page about the changes to the CBA.
Limits to Taxpaying Teams:
Starting in 2013-14, teams more than $4 million above the tax level cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade transaction.
New Contracts:
Five years with 7.5 percent raises for Bird free agents; four years with 4.5 percent raises for other players (including all sign-and-trade transactions).
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
I see what you're saying.
The argument is that the one rule is not in effect and the other is. Which by the wording seems most likely.
To state the money difference in millions like that is still slightly misleading. Because, yes, you have one fewer year on this contract. But barring catastrophe Dwight will still play that year that would be the 5th and for the league maximum.
So the value over the life of this contract may be 30 million lower. The amount of actual money Dwight would lose would be significantly less.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
People get your beer goggles off - there is too much non confirmation from Dwight to think he's not out the door.
I too want to believe – but there is no way he is here past the trade deadline with such uncertainty from Howard’s camp. The Magic CAN NOT roll the dice and hope for the best. It is out of the question to the future of the franchise. They will posture until they tease out the best deal, but there is absolutely no way the Magic risk Dwight walking for nothing – unless they get some sort of concrete commitment directly from his mouth.
I think the situation is closer to what Brian Schmitz said that the Magic and LA are playing chicken – neither can afford to let it go past the trade deadline or NJ gets Dwight. Bynum and Gasol for Hedo and Dwight is by far the best dollar for dollar value exchange. It might not be the best rebuilding strategy but it is the best asset exchange possible from any of the teams Howard is targeting.
also that $30million in lost salary. If he ends up in NY or LA he will quadruple that in endorsement signings.
And hey...there is that chance that Bynum finally "gets it" and becomes the best center in the league.
Not saying it’s a good chance. But that chance exists with Bynum where it doesn’t with Lopez.
I completely disagree
First off, he will NOT get an extra $30 million dollars of endorsements in LA. He’s already the face of Gatorade, McDonald’s, T-Mobile, Adidas, and more. There aren’t $30 million dollars worth of local endorsements for ANYONE. Period. He might get to be in an extra movie or something, but there isn’t that much extra. It’s just not there. (not to mention losing another 10% in state income taxes and the higher cost of living in general).
Furthermore, I don’t think he is totally sold on leaving. I think he is torn. I think last season left a bad taste in his mouth and a good season here can change a lot of minds.
To me, this idea of “trade him or get nothing” is the most cowardly thing I see. Until he says to you “I will not play here. No chance. I’m already gone.” you do not trade him. If you do, you are more worried about “not losing” than winning. And anyone can tell you that a prevent defense is a pretty surefire way to lose.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
Cavalier and Raptor fans would advise you differently.
Also those endorsements that Dwight already has, they almost certainly have kickers that amplify the $ amount if he plays in a large market. These type of incentives are standard for location and performance benchmarks.
The difference between a local ad and an international ad is enormous. You might see Dwight a hundred times a day in Orlando in an ad for a major corporation. But in Utah or Mumbai, you’ll see that ad 50 times a day if that. If he is in a major market (like LA) that has an enormous international market, those spots will run locally and internationally 200 times a day. Plus because the local market is 25 times the size of Orlando, each spot costs and generates revenue proportionately.
On a personal level, Dwight’s girlfriend is an actress/singer in LA. Her opinion and influence, as in most relationships, has an impact. If she was a lawyer that could practice in any city then not a big deal, but an aspiring singer/actress has to be located in either LA or NY.
Abstract statements like “as of now I am in a Magic uniform” and the numerous other vague comments only cement his strategy. To not see that is to lie to yourself. No one wants him to go, but to not see he is out the door already is naive optimism chasing a delusion.
I don't disagree that there are monetary incentives in larger markets, but they are not nearly enough to offset these particular negatives
But beyond that, even if he is out the door, the only person who gains by trading him before January 1st is Dwight. So, if he is already sure to be gone, why would I want my team to do him any favors? Screw him.
However, if there is a chance he would stay, why would I want my team to trade him before they’ve exhausted every option?
Either way, it is in my team’s best interest to not trade him before January 1st no matter what. In that case, make him wait. There will always be deals on the table for Dwight if it comes down to that.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
That is exactly what I said, the Magic must trade him before the trade deadline. Not ASAP or before Jan 1.
and those incentives you don’t think are enough…trust me we are not talking about just Dwight making substantially more money but also his agent and a slew of interested parties that stand to gain a LOT of money.
You do know that the Nets owner is running for President of Russia right? and that a large part of his wealth empire is in Eastern Europe and Asia? which just happen to be the largest growing and growth potential markets on the planet…
Josh Robbins of the Orlando Sentinel is reporting that according to Otis Smith, reports that they are not taking trade offers for Howard are false.
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 14, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Can you cite that?
There’s too much going around for me to believe something without seeing the real report myself.
Don't know if you found it on your own, but here it is
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Well, I don't really think this is a surprise.
It’s not like you ever take your phone off the hook.
I mean, my house isn’t for sale but if someone walked up and offered to give buy it right now at 50% over market value, of course I’d take sell it.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
The thing about Brook Lopez...
He’s averaging 30+ minutes a night and averaging 6 rebounds.
And he’s 7 feet tall.
Anyone see what I’m getting at here?
You forgot to add
on a team with no other good rebounder as well.
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by Eric9321 on Dec 14, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Humphries rebounded pretty well for them.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
I wish Dwight would just make up his mind
I was prepared to trade him last week…then rejoiced when I heard he was open to staying. Now yahoo reports this..I haven’t slept till 5am this past week…im losing my health over this..please hurry up and decide Dwight!!!
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 6:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don't think he'll make up his mind until the season is over.
And unless the Magic win it all, or come extremely close in a worthy battle in the NBA Finals, or perhaps the Eastern Conference FInals (I’m talking seven games, left it all out on the court, screwed by the refs in the end) I think he leaves.
We’re a playoff team now. Looking great in the regular season simply doesn’t register. We can win 50 games out of 66, with Howard feeling great about Orlando, but all it takes is another ugly post-season exit, and he’s gone.
by Jtyler998 on Dec 14, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i agree
that or we somehow get a star player..which looks doubtful
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
That star would have to net us a title this year, I think.
I mean which star? And remember, Howard has never publicly asked for a star player, unless you count Monta Ellis (which I don’t). He has thrown out a lot of names, and none of them were stars.
One of them is now on the Magic. What a difference that made, huh?
Anyway if he walks, he will likely need a sing and trade with us, and we will be getting picks and a trade exceptions
So is A) Give up on Howard and pick Brook Lopez
B) Hang on to the most dominant player in the NBA and risk getting some picks and a trade exception.
I’d rather gamble and risk losing Brook Lopez than having the certainty of losing Howard. Also, losing Howard with nothing in result might get us an awsome pick. Had we traded Tmac for someone good we wouldn’t have gotten Howard.
by Leandro. on Dec 14, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The rebuild from the ground up strategy is not valid anymore.
It worked in the past but with player movement now you have to use the Miami/Dallas model. Specially if you’re a small market team. Otherwise you become a farm system for the bigger markets to poach. That is not going to change anytime soon.
Yeah, but they did have Dirk and Wade before all the big signings.
Stach30, you are right. And what did we get from Dwight Rookie season where I guess we sucked? Was it Fran?
by Leandro. on Dec 14, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
aye
Fran was the year after Dwight and then JJ.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Magic_draft_history
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Ouch! Well you see, hadn't we trade for Francis and the other guy...
probably we would have had a worse record, and could have drafted CP3, Deron Williams, or even Andrew Bynum who was actually drafted one spot ahead of Vazquez!
If you lose your superstar its in your best interest to suck completely and slash your cap
Then maybe you can become a factor in free agency and player dumps ala how denver just got Fernandez and Brewer for nothing
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Start Anderson, increase his value, then trade him.
1) Without Dwight we are done. Brook, Gasol or anyone else we could get won’t make us contenders.
2) We need to ATTEMPT to keep him. We have yet several weeks to do that, no need to rush.
3) I suggest starting Ryan Anderson and playing him a lot. If he can put solid numbers, something like 17 and 8, then he stops being a “promise” and becomes a solid NBA starter with an amazing contract.
4) Then we could trade try to figure out some package with other teams and trade him along other players for an allstar.
It’s certanily a longshot, but keeping Dwight needs and allstar or at least a perennial allstar, and the only way we can get it is by enhancing RA trade value.
Gasol AND Bynum make us competitive in the East
I dont see how you cant see that a healthy Bynum (top 5 center) and Gasol (top 5 PF) wont make us relevant
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Bynum health is an issue, and Gasol is past his prime. If we couldn't do it with Howard + this guys, we won't make it with bynum + this guys
by Leandro. on Dec 14, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Cause Pau had 1 bad series against the NBA champs e is past his prime??
Okay
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't say he's past his prime, but he's not going to better than he is
He is 31. Åt best he stays the same (which is great), but there is 0% chance he will ever be better than he is. He is not the future of any team.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
by EnnBee on Dec 14, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Everything said in this post is a true thing.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
He is 31 years old
He will give a team 6 more years at least
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
And at 35 he will still be the player he is even today?
Not hardly.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
He'll still be a 15 and 9 player
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
I look at bynum not gasol
Bynum when healthy mentally and physically is a good center. Nobody will despite Dwight is head and shoulders better than any other center, but after him its debatable and i think Bynum is in that conversation, i mean he is only 24 and will get better with ewing. And gasol has 5 more yrs left but bynum is the key to this trade.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
Gasol is the better player now and still makes this Magic team somewhat relevant (4-6 seed in the East)
Bynum is the icing on the cake if he somehow manages to stay healthy and improve. If not he has a team option on his contract which will let us part ways if necessary
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
have you seen the east?
Bynum and Gasol make Orlando top 3 seed and potentially number one. Gasol, Bynum, Anderson, and Baby as your frontline? Who in the east would compete with that. Magic would be DEEP up front. No heavy minutes for anyone.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
if magic said that they didn't like what nets offered.. then I think they would NOT trade howard to brooklyn.
5-1st rd picks!
Missing Dwight already..
This was just cleared up on the radio that the 5 picks would have gone to Portland.
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by GonzoBallSHU on Dec 14, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
wait,
i thought it was four for gerald wallace and 1 for dwight.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
per David Baumann:
@MisterRudolph just clarified on the radio. Portland would have gotten 1st rounders in return. Not 5 to Orl.
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by GonzoBallSHU on Dec 14, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
WTH did Portland just give Wallace that contract if they are already tryin to unload him for nothing?
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
4 very late picks with Deron and Dwight though
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 14, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
ESPN sources: Clippers and NBA-owned Hornets have agreed to Chris Paul deal in principle. Gordon, Kaman, Aminu and Minnesota pick to Hornets
Good for the Clippers
It would be interesting seeing that team now.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
Also, David Stern ends up being right
That Clipper package is much more preferable than the Lakers one. Hornets gets a really good young player and a potentially really good draft pick.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
I'm glad that CP3 is with the Lakers and not the Clippers
I hope the Lakers get the shaft this pre-season and fall behind the Clips in both their record and popularity. CP3 throwing alley oops to Griffin will be fun to watch!
You said that wrong, but I get what you meant
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
The Clips NEED to re-sign Jordan now...
New Orleans got a fantastic deal as well. Gordon And the Minny pick?! Thats phenomenal for them
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
They did earlier in the week. Where have you been?
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 14, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Well no more CP3
The clippers ended up giving gordon to, stern called the clippers bluff, and he got em’
Hornets:Gordon,Eminu,Kaman, and minnie’s 1st. CRAZY STUFF. I dont really care, its the paul blake show. SO LONG LAKERS! unless they get dwight O.o
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
Well if Dwight is truly gone (and at this point, who the heck knows?)
I wouldn’t mind Gasol & Bynum. Then flip Gasol for that package the Rockets were offering. Then flip those Rocket guys for some young talent. Not great, but still better than that crap offer from New Jersey.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
Im coming around to.
I really have never had to go through this much he said she said crap, We love dwight but if he is gonna keep us in limbo for a whole season its not worth it, id rather have bynum gasol than lopez,wallace and farmar and a 1st, lakers would give us a first to right? I mean getting rid of hedo is big for us when it comes to FA and cap space, plus losing dwights contract. I cant believe im saying this but this drama is driving me nuts.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
Dwight isn't the one "keeping you in limbo" it's the 24 hour sports networks with time to fill
And it would totally be worth dealing with this for a few months if the end meant keeping a hall of fame center for his career as opposed to “playing not to lose” and taking on the Lakers soon-to-be has beens.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
I could care less what these sports reporter douche like Broussard think.. I am only freaking out when I see DH being quoted with contradictory statement after contradictory statement
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
He is rarely being quoted at all
It is usually “a source close to the situation said…”
Those are 2 very different things.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
I just said I dont care about those stories
Stories where his teammates say he thought the deal was already done have merit
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Is there confirmation that CP3 will resign with the Clips after this season?
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 14, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
One season of this is ABSOLUTELY worth it if we keep Dwight around.
by travell7288 on Dec 14, 2011 7:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you.
Rather risk losing him, that just losing him. There is no life after DH anyway.
wow if paul is worth that the magic have to get more for howard thats 3 starters and a possible top 5 pick
by turbo champion on Dec 14, 2011 7:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
lets just hope the Clips don't waive Billups
cause if so he’s going straight to Miami
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On Billups, the Clippers cannot trade him. But they can outright cut him. It would be a huge waste of $2 million but they can do it.
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yeah
Especially since Gordon was traded to New Orleans it seems most logical to just play Billups at the 2.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
stevekylerNBA Steve Kyler
RT @SpearsNBAYahoo: Agent Andy Miller tells Yahoo! that Clippers won’t be waiving Chauncey Billups.
57 seconds ago
Yep Billups is too slow to play point anymore
He’ll pull a Jason Kidd and guard SG’s
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
What if Dwight doesn't get traded and signs with another team in the off-season?
No compensation – that will be Shaq all over again. Will it ever get to that?
And what if we get stuck with a package that barely helps us?
There is little sense in playing the “what if” game at this point. WIthout Dwight it’s rebuilding anyway and there really isn’t much that is going to give us a push for a title without him. To answer your question though, I think it could be like Shaq if Howard walks but that to me is a chance worth taking.
by travell7288 on Dec 14, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I get that
Lopez + late first round draft picks, removing Hedo’s and Duhon’s deal is not enough for Howard, but isn’t it better than nothing. Howard is not resigned in Orlando – it’s just not happening. The only way I can see it is if Orlando gets a Josh Smith type.
I think it is as well
I really believe with the Clippers getting CP3 though this is about to become a serious arms race. Maybe I’m wrong, but I gotta think that without the Nets getting Howard, they have to believe that DWill is going to leave, so they are going to have to try everything in their power to have the best deal.
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But Howard wants to play in NJ
NJ/Dallas both have the cap space to sign him outright next year. What would stop him for going there? Big Baby Davis?
Because Howard has already stated he will resign with the Lakers as well.
Do you really think that the Lakers are going to sit around and be the 2nd best team in L.A., they will give up whatever it takes to get Howard traded there as they don’t have cap room to attempt to get him in the summer. If the Nets can’t come up with a better offer then the garbage they have been offering there is no way Orlando deals them to you over a better offer from the Lakers (plus the fact Orlando would only have to see him twice a year).
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If pushed up against the wall Orlando would be all too happy to trade Dwight out of the East
Even if that means only getting Bynum
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
I really don't think so.
If all the Lakers offer is Bynum, I think they’ll either trade him to the Nets or hold onto him and hope and pray that he changes his mind and sticks with Orlando.
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read the bottom stuff
Dwight himself said to his teammates that he thought the trade to NJ went through. He doesnt want to be here
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Lol I know, I posted it.
I’m saying that if it comes down to just Bynum or Lopez and picks, the Magic will take the Nets deal.
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God people those picks are meaningless
whoppie 2 picks that are gonno turn into the 26-30 picks in the draft. Good teams trade away those picks for nothing regularly
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not talking from a personal perspective, I'm talking from the Magic's point of view.
You get 1 player with a lot of potential but injury history, or you get a pretty solid player with 2 draft picks (which even though maybe low in the draft, could still be dealt to a team as a package to move up in the draft).
I would think from a management perspective the Nets deal would look better at that point.
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Neither deal is worth removing all possibility of keeping the best center of his generation
They just aren’t.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
by EnnBee on Dec 14, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am not interested in Bynum,
But he is better than Lopez, even with weak draft picks.
by Green Bull on Dec 14, 2011 9:45 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
It is not "better than nothing"
Don’t trade him and you are swinging for the fences. You might strike out, but you have a chance to be great.
If you trade him, you have give up the chance to be great so you can be assured of being mediocre for years. That is what losers do and I hope we aren’t losers.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
That is reckless not bold.
How many times does he have to go on camera and say “as of right now I am wearing a Magic uniform” before the fact that he is spouting a pr script that says ’I’m out’ sinks in. Cmon, Lebron, Carmelo and Bosch all spouted the exact same calculated script….
Taking a chance at something means that there is a chance you can succeed. Swinging at a ball that doesn’t exist is a delusion.
On top of that, to think Dwight is the only way to win an NBA championship is uninformed. Look at history and you will see that there are many routes.
There ARE lots of ways
But Brooks Lopez and 2 picks in the 20s absolutely aren’t it.
Even Bynum, Gasol, and Kobe being coached by Phil Jackson wasn’t enough last year, so I don’t think 2/3s of that team get it done in Orlando, either.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
Who said Lopez and the Nets? the whole point I was making was that Lopez and the Nets deal sucks
and what the Lakers offer is much better.
BTW that 2/3 of the Lakers line up you criticize were integral to the team that won 2 championships the two years before. A team that was going for a three-peat last year; a feat that is near impossible in today’s NBA. Better overall players, more games, more free agent movement, more distractions, more media scrutiny, more difficult -yet they got close.
They got close?
They won 2 more games in the playoffs than the Magic did. Did the Magic get close, too?
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
I'm just saying that winning 4 games in the playoffs doesn't mean they were "close to a 3peat"
I’m just saying the playoff performance of those 2 guys (+Kobe, Odom and the Zen Master) didn’t get a 2nd round win. Would they really do better with JRich and Hedo?
If not, it’s just a deal where we take on giant contracts and hope to make it to the 2nd round.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
We wouldn't even have Hedo.
Hedo by all accounts would be sent to LA.
Nelson, JRich and very little else.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 15, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Do you not watch Ryan Anderson play basketball?
Does anyone not watch Ryan Anderson play basketball?
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Duh what have you done for me lately????
Just kidding. Seriously anyone, ANYONE, doubting Gasol/Bynum is nuts. Gasol just had his best season ever. While still being a DISTANT second option. In Orlando he would be the number one option dropping about 24 ppg. Bynum was the 4th option, still scored about 12 ppg. Orlando’s second option didn’t score 14 ppg. Seriously the Laker trade would be a swindle for Orlando. On top of the 2 first round picks we get(we would have 3 FIRST ROUND PICKS), there is no deal out there that is even remotely close. Only thing would be LaMarcus Aldridge, Nicholas Batum, and picks.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
sign him.
i called it in another blog, magic gonna sign baron and add jameer in a trade for iggy.
I copied and pasted this from one of my previous posts:
I mean looking at our roster it is possible but we would have to have the opposing GM at gun-point pretty much. I was looking at the roster and this is our possible trade chips
Jameer Nelson
JJ Redick
Ryan Anderson
Jason Richardson(not sure how that works)
Quentin Richardson
Chris Duhon
All the rest would be of little or no value to teams. So would you package a deal for that?
I dont get why we could not put a package together for iggy:
JJ Redick,Ryan Anderson,Jameer Nelson and 1st Round pick
And get Iggy and Lou williams.
Then sign Baron Davis after he gets bought out by the cavs.
I know its far-fetched and wont happen but examining it we would have a better team
PG-Baron Davis
SG-Jason Richardson
SF-Andre Igoudala
PF-Glen Davis
C-Dwight Howard
THAT LOOKS LIKE A CHAMPIONSHIP
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
Davis has a really screwed up back though.
I’d only be happy with picking him up if this trade you are proposing was a 100% done deal.
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Exactly
We need to get jameer out if we sign baron davis, dwight has already thrown him under the bus, but baron davis is 6’3 a lot taller than jameer his stats are impressive over his career as well
last 2 years he has averaged 42% shooting and 30% from 3 point land, i know he has a back history which scares me.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
Uh,
the Magic can’t bid for him due to being over the salary cap. And your trade isn’t happening.
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by MoveThoseChains on Dec 14, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
I understand
It seems very unlikely but hey there could be a third team involved, all i know is that our current roster wont remain the same, changes will be made before opening night. And he has to clear waivers. The knicks want him tho.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
I just don't see any positive of even thinking of bringing in Davis.
If we really wanted to get rid of Nelson and get another PG to take his place, we could always try and sign Rafer Alston, his agent reported he’s interested in returning to the NBA plus he knows SVG’s system.
I don’t know how his rights work though, if Miami still owns them or not.
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I was just relating it to if there was some master plan that involves trading away Nelson.
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yes but better than DuDu
not gonna matter anyhow…apparently its the Knicks or Heat he’s looking at
Baron Davis has a bulging (or ruptured) disc in his back
While I like him as a player, he is severely damaged goods.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
How about this.
The blazers have shown a willingness to deal gerald wallace, why not try and get another 3 team deal going? http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
and it seems like the nets or the heat want everyone out there, but they cant have it.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
sorry bout that, wrong link.
this is it^^^^^^^^^^^^^ http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6phmj7g
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
portland has felton why would they want nelson
by turbo champion on Dec 14, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
cuz their dumb
do you think nelson is a legit starting point guard? I mean LA just got paul when they got chauncey off waivers.. I think ryno would be a good fit with batum and aldrige.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
Woj. just tweeted....
Dwight Howard told some Magic teammates on Tuesday that he thought trade to the Nets was a “done deal.”
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Makes sense
Dwight’s demeanor was closer to last weekend today.
well then Dwight is an idiot
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
Y! Source: Dwight Howard told some Magic teammates on Tuesday that he thought trade to the Nets was a “done deal.”
It seems like every hour we get bad news followed by good news.
I just want it to be over.
Oderint dum metuant
@WojYahooNBA latest story says Dwight believes ownership killed deal, which is in line with what I heard about Otis Smith’s suppressed role
6 minutes ago
Retweeted by sam_amick
i thought i heard otis accepted the trade but the owners killed it crazy
by turbo champion on Dec 14, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
then why wont the owners kill the dumb a$$ GM for accepting the terrible trade in the first place????
How much longer does this go on until the DeVos family starts to get some negative attention? Otis Smith is obviously floundering here. Put him out of his misery, PLEASE
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
I kinda have a feeling that maybe Otis' time in Orlando is already done, they just don't want to switch GM's right before the start of the season.
Thus they just have him on a short leash and he’s just pretty much a figure head doing the grunt work.
Please leave a message, I'm busy hiding my cat from TGS.
This is total BS, they said its either otis or dwight, now most likely we lose otis and dwight, i want dwight to be in a magic uniform all his career but each day it looks like that wont happen. This organization will NOT pull another shaq and let him walk. LAL realized that to keep up with the clippers they need dwight, as soon as they offer Bynum/Gasol or get Houston back involved.. TAKE IT! And take houstons 1st rd pick to. That will be lottery
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
Why the rush?
Why is it better for the Magic to do something now instead of in March? Or even July?
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
Trade Deadline is in March - So July out of the question
Dwight can opt out and become an unrestricted FA in July
dwight is gonna screw us up.
he is gonna screw up chemistry between players, him requesting trades and being unhappy will be like melo, booed each home game cuz everyone knows he wants out. Where as if you plug in Bynum at C and Gasol at starting PF you dont have drama just a solid team.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
You've have a perpetual 7th seed (assuming Bynum isn't injured again).
But I agree with you the chemistry stuff is huge. Of course, we’ve seen none of these reported statements come out of Dwight’s mouth so it’s pretty hard to determine how much to blame him for and much to blame reporters and their “sources.”
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
Well thats good enough for me
Ship Dwight out as soon as the Lakers budge on Gasol and Bynum
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
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