NBA Rumors: Portland Trail Blazers, Offering Gerald Wallace, Join Dwight Howard Trade Talks with Orlando Magic and New Jersey Nets
by Evan Dunlap on Dec 14, 2011 12:42 PM EST
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PrintThe trade the Orlando Magic and New Jersey Nets have discussed involving Magic center Dwight Howard going to New Jersey has expanded to include the Portland Trail Blazers, who would trade combo forward Gerald Wallace to the Magic in exchange for draft considerations from the Nets, report Chad Ford and Marc Stein of ESPN New York. Such a trade would bring Wallace, a one-time All-Star, and Nets center prospect Brook Lopez to Orlando in exchange for Howard. The trade would also allow the Magic to rid themselves of Chris Duhon and Hedo Turkoglu, whose long-term contracts otherwise impede Orlando's efforts to rebuild.
The question Orlando must grapple with--and, at the moment, its answer seems pretty clear--is whether receiving a 29-year-old former All-Star and a young seven-footer, plus shedding two unfortunate contracts, is nearly enough to offset losing a once-in-a-generation center talent.
I understand Wallace's appeal, as he's a solid--if a bit overrated--defensive player who's also an above-average athlete. But even acquiring him to pair with Howard wouldn't put Orlando over the top. Wallace's per-minute scoring, rebounding, and shot-blocking dipped last season from its 2009/10 levels, as did his shooting percentages from the field, three-point range, and the foul line. He's clearly declining, and the upshot to landing him in addition to Lopez is the salary-cap relief he can offer when his contract expires in 2013.
Ken Berger of CBS Sports cites a source saying Orlando is "not in a rush to do anything." According to Berger's report, "The scenario as currently constructed with Wallace joining Lopez in Orlando as the primary pieces is not enough to persuade the organization to move forward with the deal quickly, the person said."
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This just isn't good enough
I don’t think I’ve seen an offer yet that is worth losing Dwight for the year, much less forever.
Yugly.
Really NJ?
If this is the best they can do, I think we need to start countering their trade proposals with our own 3 team deal for D-Will. That’s pathetic.
I'd love to see us make a play for DWill
but I think that play would have to be clearing cap and that’s probably impossible now.
Yugly.
We're not Utah
Last year the Nets traded a young big and a couple of draft picks for another team’s superstar. They think is that easy… No, no everyday is Sunday Nets…
I like Wallace a lot as a player.
If we had him and Jameer we would lead the league in mouth guard chewing.
But he isn’t a “significant” player in this context. Really I’d much prefer us to stockpile bigs from the Lakers.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
At least Pau and Bynum
Could have value around the league in a trade (I’d think especially Pau, Houston obviously wants him). I personally don’t want to build around Bynum but since he is a young center with upside, there are probably (hopefully) other teams that would throw some nice pieces and picks our way for him.
by nick_anderson on Dec 14, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely.
Having talented bigs is the way to win a championship. Either by keeping them or shipping them.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
At this point
I don’t care about putting us over the top. I think trading for Wallace could help us keep Dwight. Although I think Iggy would be better if we could pull that off.
by Satch30 on Dec 14, 2011 12:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Did you not get the picture that getting Wallace is part of a trade that sends Dwight away ...
not that it would keep Dwight here.
Live life to the fullest, and do it in the fast lane
Did
you not read the article? If so, perhaps read it again and take your snark elsewhere.
by Satch30 on Dec 14, 2011 12:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
"Such a trade would bring Wallace, a one-time All-Star, and Nets center prospect Brook Lopez to Orlando in exchange for Howard".
Live life to the fullest, and do it in the fast lane
Perhaps
the 3rd time would be the charm?
by Satch30 on Dec 14, 2011 1:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you're talking about this...
“The trade the Orlando Magic and New Jersey Nets have discussed involving Magic center Dwight Howard going to New Jersey has expanded to include the Portland Trail Blazers, who would trade combo forward Gerald Wallace to the Magic in exchange for draft considerations from the Nets, report Chad Ford and Marc Stein of ESPN New York.”
That still means Dwight’s gone…Evan just doesn’t expressly say that.
Sorry for the miscommunication btw.
I wasn’t trying to argue, just get the correct understanding out.
you need to read it again, ace.
take your snark elsewhere.
I think Evan is making the point that...
Even if we brought Wallace in with Howard, it wouldn’t “put us over the top”.
I think he was just trying to put Wallace in perspective, not suggest this as a possibility.
The comment is in the piece
and some people were talking about going and getting Wallace without trading Dwight in the other thread.
Really, both sides of this spitting contest need to just lighten up. You are all correct.
Yugly.
Ryan Anderson should play instead of Brandon Bass!!!!
Oh wait, that was the argument from the last two years.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
Is it really possible to get Wallace without losing Dwight?
I would love to see Hedo as our 6th man instead of starting SF!
I thought the same thing too at first and then had to go back and re-read.
I LOVE Wallace and think he would be SICK with this line-up though! If there was a way to do this, I would like to see Otis do it!
Then though we would all look at the Rashard Lewis signing and realize how stupid we were not to sign Wallace instead.
It's clearly a possibility
It doesn’t sound like Jersey would be giving up much for him. I don’t know if it would keep Howard, but he seems to have a preference for name over efficiency.
by Satch30 on Dec 14, 2011 1:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Please God No!!
Orlando does not need a 29 year old player making 10.6 this year and 11.4 next year. That trade would do nothing to help ORL rebuild.
Which is why
I’m sure Otis is dotting the “i” in “Otis” on the deal right now :(
by nick_anderson on Dec 14, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think the best would be for Alex Martins to fire Otis Smith then declare that in the absence of a GM we cannot seriously consider trade suggestions.
by Matt1325 on Dec 14, 2011 12:54 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
that would make it a very merry christmas
"Generally, when I draw the play, it's just who's going where. Maybe I have not made it clear enough that we would like the ball to go in the basket."
by AB's triple double on Dec 14, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Dell Demps should resign because of Stern
And join the Magic…help us bring in a haul if we absolutely have to trade Dwight. Still a last resort though!
by travell7288 on Dec 14, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not enough!
Otis would win chump of the year if he agreed to this! He needs to talk with Denvers GM on how to get value for a superstar.
Otis needs to
talk to the unemployment office, IMO.
by nick_anderson on Dec 14, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
DWIGHT HOWARD
ANY SCENARIO,BY TRADES FOR HOWARD,WOULD NOT BENEFIT TRHE MAGIC.THE ONLY WAY THE MAGIC COULD BENEFIT FROM THIS,IS A BIG,WHO COULD PLAY LIKE D-12.,AND I DON’T SEE ANYONE THAT CAN.THIS WOULD REMIND MOST OF US HERE IN CENTRAL FLORIDA OF THE SHAQ DEBACLE.I HOPE D-12,WOULD STAY,BUT THIS IS A BUSINESS,AND IF THE TEAM GONNA LET U WALK..AND U WANT OUT..SO BE IT.BUT REMEMBER,THEY TRIED TO BUILD AROUND U BUT,JUST DIDN’TWORK.WHEN UDO LEAVE,THE DOWNTOWN AREA WILL SUFFER,WATCH AND SEE…I THINK DWIGHT SHOULD JUST PLAY IT OUT THIS SEASON,THEN IF U WANT OUT, DO NOT RESIGN,AND JUST DEAL WITH FREE AGENCY.U CAN STILL GO TO BROOKLYN.AND START NEW. MAYBE TAKE JAMEER WITH U..HE WOULD BE CLOSER TO HOME,AND U2 PLAY WELL TOGETHER GOOD LUCK ,EITHER WAY U GO WITH YOUR CHOICE. TERRY-D NORTH PHILLY
i think ur caps lock key is broken or something
"Generally, when I draw the play, it's just who's going where. Maybe I have not made it clear enough that we would like the ball to go in the basket."
by AB's triple double on Dec 14, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
A league source close to Dwight said it best...
…about Howard softening his trade stance but not rescinding his trade request:
“(Dwight) runs hot and cold… he just doesn’t always know what he wants.”
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by Mike from Illinois on Dec 14, 2011 1:56 PM EST reply actions
Sure seems like it
and to me that screams that we should be working on the assumption he’s staying. If we strike out, we strike out. As long as there is a chance he stays we should make every effort.
Yugly.
I fully agree
This should be the sole focus
by Satch30 on Dec 14, 2011 2:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Even at the risk he leaves us with nothing
As long as there is a chance, I’d work in that direction.
Yugly.
Exactly
Finish out the year and see what happens.
NJ will not make the playoffs with the team they have now and Dallas projects to be far enough under the cap next season to make a run at Dwight or Deron.
I thinks Deron’s 90% chance of staying w/ NJ will drop to 10% once his hometown MAVs come calling.
I’d take my chances on Dwight staying when his choices are bad NJ team or an old Dallas team.
Even if he left for "nothing"
First, you could still do a sign and trade in July (he just wouldn’t get the extra $30+ million he’d get in Orlando).
Additionally, the Magic were devastated when Shaq left, but that was only for a couple of years. The real “dark period” was because of Grant Hill’s ankle which made that era seem far longer than it was.
I think you have to roll the dice and try to keep him.
1. If he walks after the season, he loses $30 million and you suck for 2 years.
2. If you trade him, he gets the max deal and you are in mediocrity for 5 years.
3. If he stays, he gets the max deal and you are a contender for the next 5 years.
No matter what, trading him is absolutely the worst option and precludes you from even having a shot at #3. It is all downside. So, unless he is adamant about going, you have to swing for the fences. Play for middle of the road and you get run over.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
I feel like we've had this discussion before. lol
But, trading him or him walking, either way the Magic would suck. Those are the same option. It’s the option of building through the draft.
I don’t know if you’ve seen the trade offers for Howard but they aren’t trades where the Magic are trying get value for value.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
But I was trying to be charitable. With Lopez and Wallace the Magic could probably battle for the 7th or 8th seed every season. That’s about it.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
What I'm saying is...
That if they trade him for Lopez & Wallace or whatever. That trying to win with whatever team they’re left with would be phenomenally stupid.
Trading Howard for Lopez/Wallace/Whatever would be the first step in blowing the whole thing up and going all the way down to the bottom of the league.
It wouldn’t be the start of the “Wallace & Lopez Era” where we try and win with those players.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe not even that,
If we also give away Hedo Turkoglu.
by Green Bull on Dec 14, 2011 6:42 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Agreed completely. It makes no sense not to try and keep Dwight.
You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
by EnnBee on Dec 14, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if it's Dwight who's going back and forth.
What is his inner circle pushing him to do? I’d be willing to bet that people around him want him to go and it’s him that wants to stay. Just an idle observation based on no facts. I could work for ESPN!
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
Just add the word "sources"
that makes it okay to make stuff up.
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by Eric9321 on Dec 14, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty funny reading over on netsdaily
They flipped out when they read Eddy’s comment about not taking this deal. Comments I completely agree with.
Yugly.
wow
i almost threw up in my mouth…i hope Otis is not this stupid
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 2:06 PM EST reply actions
REJOICE!
WOJNAROWSKI: “ORLANDO HAS ENDED TRADE TALKS FOR DWIGHT HOWARD, LEAGUE SOURCE TELLS YAHOO.”
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by GonzoBallSHU on Dec 14, 2011 2:18 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Does that mean that they are confident Dwight will stay? Or do they just want to end the media circus?
Oderint dum metuant
Who knows... hopeful of the latter obviously, but we'll probably revisit this in Feb/March.
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by GonzoBallSHU on Dec 14, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
correction, former.
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by GonzoBallSHU on Dec 14, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
If I kept getting all these laughable proposals I would have ended them as well.
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Excellent
These rumors were not favorable to Orlando anyway…
Nets fans thought they were trading us Jesus
They were stunned Otis didn’t take the trade ‘on the spot’. LOL.
Yugly.
"Otis would be a fool to not take THIS offer" hahaha.
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by GonzoBallSHU on Dec 14, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
if the trade was so good
Shouldn’t they be upset at their front office rather than salivating at the prospect? lol
Yugly.
I was reading their comments as well, and I have to admit that they were making me angry
They even had the audacity of calling Otis an idiot for not making the trade. Only us Magic fans have the right to call him that. No one else!
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
by funny80sguy on Dec 14, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hehe don't let them get to you
They’re dying to get Dwight and their opinions are skewed as a result.
Yugly.
No one gets to beat up my GM but me.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
It was on Woj's twitter. Can't link it (as I can't access Twitter here), sorry!
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by GonzoBallSHU on Dec 14, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
wait
did he end trade talks because we are keeping Dwight or because he found a winner??
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it'd be worded that way if he were in fact, traded.
They’d come out and say what the trade was, they wouldn’t leak news to the media that they’re no longer taking additional offers because, he’s already been moved.
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by GonzoBallSHU on Dec 14, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
oh ok good phew!
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Its on twitter
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
Close
Orlando has ended trade talks for Dwight Howard, league sources tell Y! Sports.
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 2:23 PM EST reply actions
Magic officials claim the trade talks were called off due to "basketball reasons".
by Jtyler998 on Dec 14, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
what does that mean?
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
lol
darn i wanted it to be because Dwight’s staying long term..ill take that too
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
haha sorry just woke up..westcoast guy here
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think he was joking
That’s what Stern said for rejecting the first Chris Paul deal.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
As the trade deadline approaches....
Orlando can look for ways to move Hedo (maybe Utah?), Redick, Nelson, JRich (or Davis) and picks in separate or combined deals in order to get cap relief. Hedo will be the hardest to move.
Open up cap to sign a max player.
Gives us the leverage over NJ. So, to use the same phrase again, this would make us the hunter rather than the hunted. I think PGs want to come play with Dwight.
Oh, and #fireOtis.
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we should trade for gerald wallace now
and thank the nets for leaking news that hes available
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 2:26 PM EST reply actions
Only if we can't get Deron.
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by GonzoBallSHU on Dec 14, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
true
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Prior reports were if Nets didn't get D12, they'd move DWill.
Can we flip the script now and go after him? I bet all the Fire Otis campaigns would come to a screaching halt if he reels in Deron.
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I'd erect an altar to him if he pulled that off
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 14, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
i would kiss otis's feet if he could get deron
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 14, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
lol agreed
but the whole moving of DWill thing I think is more the media doing to the Nets what they are trying to do to us, just make headlines by creating rumors.
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If we got Deron...
then instead of being an idiot, he was actually a genius that made himself look like an idiot just so we could get Deron. Otis=mastermind?
Oderint dum metuant
I keep hoping.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
Shhh
We all know it, you don’t have to say it out loud.
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 14, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That would be the craziest turn of events in sports that I can remember.
Oderint dum metuant
by jBen05 on Dec 14, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The proposed trade would be terrible.
We would probably our two best players, each for a player not as good. Sending Turkoglu too, only makes a trade imbalance worse.
by Green Bull on Dec 14, 2011 2:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Correction:
We would probably lose our two best players…
by Green Bull on Dec 14, 2011 2:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm not saying I like the trade, but it would be more than our 2 players for 2 less talented players.
We also get a bunch of 1st round picks.
Oderint dum metuant
well who DOESN'T like a crazy tyrant, amirite??
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 14, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Reportedly most of the picks were going to Portland
In fact, the proposed trades seem to have a “mystery extra pick” that would definitely not have been a good one.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
Chris Paul
He was excused from participating in today’s Media day…Hmmmm!? Just conspiring…
Just minimizing the circus. Don't read into it.
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 14, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Alex Martins and/or Otis Smith is simply calling the Nets' bluff.
Look how poorly they made it through the summer of 2010. They were throwing money at everyone and came up with zilch.
By March, Orlando is going to be one of the top teams in the east. New Jersey is going to be lottery-bound, once again, and they’re going to be getting very antsy. Especially when far more legit teams with far better offers for a Hall of Fame center come calling.
Hopefully by then Howard will have made it clear that he’s staying in Orlando. But I doubt it.
And my worst fear is we’ll have another 50+ win season (45+ with the reduction) and go into the playoffs flying high, Howard all smiles…before another early and inexplicable exit.
Then what?
by Jtyler998 on Dec 14, 2011 2:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Wait wait wait,
yet another declining wing player? SOMEONE STOP OTIS BEFORE HE GIVES WALLACE $25 MILLION!
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 14, 2011 2:49 PM EST reply actions
Your dislike of Richardson seems so profound
I don’t understand. Outside of how he came to be a member of the Magic, I think he is a great pickup. I saw him shoot the lights out in Phoenix playoffs; games, and I saw him working very hard last year for us defensively even when his shot was off and he was injured. He is a pretty low priced starting shooting guard, and adds a veteran presence. Since we had his bird rights, we were not going to get a better quality player imo.
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by Eric9321 on Dec 14, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We don't need a better quality player. We needed cap space.
That’s my issue with JRich. If we would have used the Bird Rights in a S&T, fine.
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 14, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
But we can still trade him before the deadline, I believe.
Or trade him after the season. He is on a very movable deal.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
True.
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 14, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Well, he's not good.
He’s a shooter that can’t shoot and a creator that can’t create. Now he also can’t be traded till 6 months after the signing (so no trade deadline deals).
Aside from that, he’s a great guy.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 14, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
How would you rate his defense?
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
In order to rate it, I'd have to see it first.
Still waiting to see it….
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 14, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Grrrraghhhherrrr(gurgle)hssstpssshhvv..... ugh
Just trade him already. I can’t take this day-in and day-out all the way till next summer.
There are only two ways this goes.
1.) The Magic make a savvy deal for Iguodala or someone along those lines.
2.) Dwight Howard leaves.
There is no third option where Richardson and Turkoglu magically start ballin’ their freakin’ brains out and we win the championship and Howard stays.
So if you are Otis Smith and you are close to a deal for a difference maker, well then, by gawd pull the trigger on the deal.
If you know that making such a move is impossible then just trade Howard and put everyone out of their misery.
These are the most stupid, wretched, garbage trade offers I’ve ever seen. But up against the trade deadline or once Howard is already a free agent the Magic will have even less trade leverage and the deals will be even worse.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 2:51 PM EST reply actions
Patience, young padawan
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 14, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
is philly entertaining offers for Iggy?
If so, what’s his contract situation or who would we offer?
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by AB's triple double on Dec 14, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Some say that they might be.
The only way it would work is after the Magic can trade J-rich.
And then:
Jason Richardson, JJ Redick, and Ryan Anderson for Andre Iguodala
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
yuck
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 14, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
So with the Magic saying they won't even take phone calls about a Howard trade...
then they obviously feel they have a real good shot at keeping him, not just a “yeah we think we can”. Wonder if we will be hearing about a trade bringing someone interesting here soon.
Or it could just be posturing and wanting to see how the first couple weeks works out. Either way it will be nice to not have to hear (well as much, we know it’s not going to stop) about Howard trade talks everyday.
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They have got to be either
Very confident he will resign.
Putting up a brave front to entice better offers.
Either way, until he does resign, it is a dangerous game. One injury to a key guy or just some random flu bug that derails the season like last year could push him to walk despite how he feels now.
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The Magic have no incentive to trade him early.
An early trade only benefits the other team and Dwight’s wallet. Even if they aren’t sure he will stay, making a move now is panicking and, ultimately, not beneficial to the team.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
by EnnBee on Dec 14, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Magic are handling this situation well imo -
some bad decisions in the past but currently I like their maneuvering!
Agreed (for the most part)
The BVW drunken phone call was pretty ridiculous, but they fired him, so that is about the best you can make out of that situation.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
Nets fan here, I'm not trying to troll
but I’m seriously wondering…I see you guys keep saying that you need to bring in a superstar. But if the Nets’ young talented center, cap space, and draft picks is not enough to get a deal done for your superstar, then what do the Magic have to offer to land a star player?
lol
If Brook Lopez PER 19.33 and nothing is a great offer for a top 5 player. Then Ryan Anderson PER 19.1 is a super great offer for a player outside of the top 5.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well since you asked nicely
Think of what you would want the Nets to get for Deron and double it.
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by Eric9321 on Dec 14, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I do understand Nets' fans anxiety
Howard is your best good bet for being a contender soon. Unfortunately, you are forgetting Dwight is every team’s best bet, and that includes the Magic.
I am made of bits of real panther so you know I'm good.
It's worse for them because if the Nets don't get Dwight, will they keep Deron?
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
This is what confuses me about this deal.
( I know that this topic/trade is dead-ish but hear me out )
Why would the Magic make the Nets give up 5 first round draft picks but make them give most of those picks to Portland, and take a 29-year-old wing who relies heavily on his athleticism…?
I mean, why not just take the 5 draft picks for themselves and not worry about getting Wallace?
With the draft picks you are basically getting the Nets first round pick every other year for TEN years. If there ever was a team that you would be dubious at their ability to stay really really good consistently for TEN years it is the Nets.
One or two of those picks is almost certainly going to be worth more than Gerald Wallace. They might even end up being worth more than Lopez. So… Why send those to Portland? It seems like the Blazers actually get the better end of this deal.
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by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 15, 2011 4:16 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
No kidding.
Seriously. I honestly think Orlando is just waiting for the Lakers to give in, and send Bynum and Gasol.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Well, Pingalore reported that trade was made up by Dwight's agent
And while I can’t speak to the loudly questioned credibility of Ping, his agent making that sort of thing up sounds way more likely than it being a real proposal for any of the teams involved.
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
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