NBA Rumors: Orlando Magic, New Jersey Nets Discuss "Complex" Dwight Howard Trade, According to Report
by Evan Dunlap on Dec 14, 2011 2:28 AM EST
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The Orlando Magic and New Jersey Nets have set "the framework of a possible four-team deal" in which the Magic would trade superstar center Dwight Howard and starting small forward Hedo Turkoglu to New Jersey in exchange for center prospect Brook Lopez and "another significant player obtained elsewhere," according to a report by Yahoo! Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski. "No deal was imminent," the Yahoo! scribe says, "but several league sources said talks were entering a crucial time, and the Nets were trying to get the proposal's complex framework completed in the near future."
The Nets are reportedly among the four teams with which Howard is interested in continuing his career, with Orlando, the Dallas Mavericks, and Los Angeles Lakers also under consideration. Further, New Jersey is the team to which Howard specifically requested a trade, and its failure to land free-agent center Nenê preserves cap space necessary to lure Howard as a free agent.
As Wojnarowski notes, however, there's little incentive for Orlando to make a trade now, as the Nets' willingness--and, it might be fair to say, eagerness--to part with Lopez in exchange for Howard is among the league's worst-kept secrets. "[T]he Nets deal for Lopez will always be there," he says, "so why rush into it?"
Why indeed. Orlando appears to be taking a patient approach with regard to Howard's future, and by all accounts is convinced it can re-sign him when he becomes a free agent this summer. The Magic can wait to see if Howard's trade value increases as the March 15 trade deadline approaches, or if a successful start to the season could strengthen his desire to remain with Orlando. Perhaps the only benefit of dealing Howard now would be avoiding a prolonged media circus surrounding him as the season wears on, but bringing aboard several new players days before, or in the early stages of, a lockout-shortened season could prove just as distracting for the team.
For the above-cited reasons, I doubt Orlando will resolve Howard's situation anytime soon, though it is interesting that the team is at least fielding offers for Howard. That two teams apart from Orlando and New Jersey are involved should come as no surprise, though; as Andy Vasquez noted over the weekend, Nets general manager Billy King "has a history of making complex, multi-team deals [....] Last season along, King made two trades involving three teams or more."
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I only see one benefit for the Magic.
Trading Howard early means Orlando will be in the running for a top draft pick in the ‘12 draft.
That would not be the case with a mid-season or S&T during the summer.
Without a top pick in ’12 the Magic would be left with only Brook Lopez as a major building block to relevance.
Any player available in the top-5 of this year’s draft would be considered a much more promising franchise cornerstone than Lopez.
So by waiting, amassing a good or even decent record, and then dealing Howard for the same deal being offered now. The Magic would basically be trading the ability to draft a potential star for the chance to draft a potential solid contributor.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 2:41 AM EST reply actions
Even if they dealt for Looez and "significant player" they wouldn't be a bottom 5 team and NJ's picks aren't good
I really don’t see the Magic doing anything until the trade deadline at the earliest.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
The Magic without Dwight Howard are easily a bottom 5 team.
And, I mean, if you lose Dwight Howard and are in rebuilding mode you move Jameer and J-rich (after the waiting period) and the rest of your veterans and start rebuilding.
I don’t think losing games would be a problem.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 2:52 AM EST up reply actions
Sigh...
This makes me so depressed. Once college football season ends and the NFL season starts winding down without the Tennessee Titans in the playoffs, this is right about the time of the year that I start paying serious attention to the NBA and the Magic again. Usually that’ means I’ve something to look forward to watching for the next couple months, but now all I feel is this sense of dread that every day will be the day that I log on to OPP or ESPN.com and see "BREAKING: Dwight Howard traded to -—- "
I originally became a fan of this team when they drafted JJ, but Dwight quickly became my favorite player and my favorite pro athlete overall. Am I absolutely crazy to hold out hope that somehow we’ll be able to hang onto him?
Go Titans! Go Magic!
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How come we only hear teams trying to make moves to get our Super Star...
and we DON’T hear anything about moves to get players to keep our Super Star? Is that good? Is it possible that our management is doing nothing to keep D12?
The Magic run a tight ship. When trade rumors involving them leak, it's almost certainly coming from the other team or an agent of the players involved.
Only the Jazz, from what I’ve learned, are more secretive/protective.
I wouldn’t take the relative lack of Magic-centric rumors as a sign that they’re not up to anything.
by Evan Dunlap on Dec 14, 2011 3:35 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
They better are up to something!!!
I think Dwight wants to stay but he’s frustrated (i don’t know if i wrote this word correctly) by Otis moves, although I don’t understand why he got mad when they waive Arenas, come on Dwight, Arenas? Really?
Reportedly Howard and Arenas became good friends over the summer.
And before that Dwight stood up for Gil in the playoffs, praising his play in that 20-point game he had.
That trade was poison for more than just on court reasons
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 14, 2011 5:56 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 14, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
imho
A lot of people seem to think Dwight was actually expecting Arenas to play well. Or that they were just friends and Dwight is disgruntled to lose a friend.
Observing Dwight and his wavering over the past few days I have a new theory.
I forget who said it, but someone about a week ago before he was waived commented something along the lines of:
Maybe Arenas will make a huge comeback and be the old Arenas again. 99% chance he won’t. But 1% chance is still a chance!
I think that Dwight saw a chance in Arenas. Here was a guy who had been a superstar, had played at that level. This was his first season back from injury, then he got traded into a system he was unfamiliar with, he never really got a chance to play, he wasn’t in the best shape.
If you needed to believe that the Magic had a shot to win badly enough, you could almost convince yourself that it was possible. However far fetched. That Arenas could show up to camp in shape and with a determination to get better and regain some of the player he used to be.
Dwight, desperate to find any reason to stay in Orlando might have latched onto that 1% like a sort of psychological lifeline.
Maybe. Dwight wasn’t upset that Arenas was waived because he lost 9 points and 2 assists per game that the Magic never be able to replace. Or because he lost someone to go planking with on off days.
Maybe he lost his 1%. Maybe he lost his last excuse to stay. Maybe he lost his hope.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 4:35 AM EST up reply actions
I could see Gil at an occupy wall street rally.
This isn’t that far fetched.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 14, 2011 4:43 AM EST up reply actions
Don't kick a gift horse in the teeth
I know just last week I was telling you I wouldn’t mind keeping Arenas for a year to see if he’ll turn around. However, frankly, I’m just glad he’s gone now.
Yugly.
Plus the fact that no team seems interested in Gilbert kind of confirms a lot of things
I’m wondering if the training staff took a look at him before camp started and just said it wasn’t plausible he will return to even a shell of himself.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
by funny80sguy on Dec 14, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
I haven't changed my position, and am gald that he is gone ...
just wondering if Dwight wanted him here longer, what purpose his immediate amnesty served … and Davis for Bass is not goo enough for me considering that Bass was a trade asset.
by Matt1325 on Dec 14, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ya I think we're on the same page with this
Like I said last week, I personally agreed with you, but could see the case to keep him for a year. Glad he’s gone though.
Yugly.
i think davis
is going to have a positive impact on dwight’s feelings about winning here
Nah' mean, nah'm sayin
by Dr Things on Dec 14, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, apparently Dwight did want Davis here,
and Bass is hot garbage, so I like the move for basketball reasons. And using amnesty on Gilbert didn’t bring the Magic under the cap in any case, so it’s not like they missed out on salary cap room they could’ve used elsewhere.
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 14, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
If he is gonna be traded I just wish they would do it already
But from what I gather thee isnt amnything that has Orlando interested its just more or less we are still fielding offers, also I have a feeling that D12 is sleeping on the latest offer and if he still wants out this morning than he is gone. Don’t help the Nets, Lopez suks and I would rather take our chances
Why are we even considering trading him while he says he'd stay here?
We aren’t going to get even close to equal value. How significant could the other player be? The nets don’t have the assets to acquire another significant player, at least not one I’d consider significant.
So was all the stay in orlando talk just for negotiating position? I swear if Dwight is toying with magic fans’ emotions that is about the only thing that could turn me on him. I’m having ‘Decision’ flashbacks.
Yugly.
OTHER SIGNIFICANT PLAYER======IGGY!
not so significant huh?
I'd love to get him BUT NOT IF WE TRADE DWIGHT!
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 14, 2011 7:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
4th team is the Bucks with Andrew Bogut.
This just keeps getting worse and worse.
Bynum/Pau/Picks, or no deal.
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by GonzoBallSHU on Dec 14, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
I would be fascinated to know who the Bucks would receive for their starting center
I mean they are basically helping a divisional rival and killing their own chances for the playoffs in one shot there.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
by funny80sguy on Dec 14, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
OR . . . completely "Boguts" you mean
Boom! I’m hilarious!
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
by funny80sguy on Dec 14, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Sarcasm? Bogut will play 30 games a year. And is worse FT shooter than Dwight.
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by GonzoBallSHU on Dec 14, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Atlhough, the Bucs 1st round (without Bogut) would be a lot more attractive than New Jersey.
Could it be Bogut, Lopez, Mil 1st round, NJ two 1st rounds for Dwight?
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by GonzoBallSHU on Dec 14, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
So what do the bucks get? And who is the 4th team?
The more I think about this the less sense it makes.
Yugly.
and....
he would have to make a squad 6 again cuz nobodys gonna come to watch this garbage
by DaytonaJim00 on Dec 14, 2011 9:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bogut is healthy coming into the season and is ready to be more of a force on offense this season, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports.
Spin: Bogut is no longer experiencing the swelling in his elbow that would occur after practicing last season. He says he’s no longer tentative to use his right hand, as was evident last year. Due to his injury history, we’re a little scared about how this compacted season will affect Bogut, but it’s great to see he’s coming into the year healthy. Espn
You mean, other than the best center on the planet we currently have.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
I would still take Dwight, Bass and Anderson over that foursome.
But, unfortunately, it’s a moot point. I guess.
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by GonzoBallSHU on Dec 14, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
Marc Stein reporting
Blazers emerge in trade scenario, sending Wallace to Magic, along with Lopez for Dwight. GOD NO!!
So we’re acquiring all the pieces Dwight told us to AFTER HE LEAVES?!?! WTF.
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i thought we were going to get wallace at the trade deadline last year
because i thought defense was our thing. but then we got arenas and turk
Nah' mean, nah'm sayin
The deal involving Brook Lopez will always be on the table, so why rush it?
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 14, 2011 9:35 AM EST reply actions
because if you guys wait past Jan 1
…Dwight loses money and CLEARLY doesn’t want to be there anymore.
Why wouldn’t he just wait until summer and then sign with us AND Lopez AND our 2 first round picks….
lol
If we wait we can offer him more money than you. Like $40 mil more money than you. You have zero leverage and need to blow our doors off with a good offer. So far you’ve offered a huge downgrade from Dwight plus 2 worthless draft picks.
Yugly.
You have no clue what you’re talking about.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 14, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone needs to also think about...
the position the Nets are in. If they don’t get Dwight, they can consider Deron Williams as good as gone, too. They clearly, are the one driving these talks. If they don’t get Dwight, they would then have to consider trading Williams.
by DenyTuesday on Dec 14, 2011 9:36 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
NO....we don't
…we just sign him in June and KEEP all the assets we’re offering. leaving you guys with Turk’s contract.
KiddShizzle
I wouldnt want a grimy dude like that apart of a team I put my name behind. It’s like taking a spouse out of adultery. That isn’t him
by DaytonaJim00 on Dec 14, 2011 9:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kidd is a ref to a HOF pg
…and I am not remotely “grimy”….thanks.
no
I was saying it would be grimy 4 Howard to pull a Lebron on the city that hoists him. That isn’t him
by DaytonaJim00 on Dec 14, 2011 11:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lakers can't sign him outright.....
…we can.
Shaq 2.0?
So i see...
Nets fans are in denial just as much as Orlando fans. Small world.
Trade deadline is March 1. The Magic will be at the top of the East by then. New Jersey will likely be lottery-bound again.
If the Magic are winning, I think it’s safe to assume Howard’s rhetoric will at the very least remain the same toward Orlando.
Meanwhile, if the Nets are struggling, tensions could start to run very high up there. They gambled on Deron Williams and the potential of signing Dwight, and their contingency plan just dried up.
The Magic don't care about Dwight's 5th year or the larger raises so that date means nothing to them.
The trade deadline is March 15th. that’s the only date that matters to the Magic. Period.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
It doesn't even apply to Dwight
The 5 year rule is for contracts signed under the new CBA only. I’m 95% sure on that.
Yugly.
For new contracts.
Dwight’s options are:
1. Not opt out and play next season (the last) of his current deal.
2. Extend his current deal an extra 2 years and leave a ton of money on the table (not happening)
3. Opt out after this season which leads to:
- a. If he opts out of team he was playing for on January 1st, he can resign with them for 5 yr/7.5% annual raises.
- b. He goes to different team (or was traded after Jan 1) he can get a 4 year/3.5% annual raise deal.
Those are the options. All of them.
In short, if he plays for the same team from January 1st until he opts out, they can offer him more money than anyone else regardless of the cap situation.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
by EnnBee on Dec 14, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No. "The maximum contract length for a sign-and-trade is 4 years, and maximum annual increases are 4.5%".
Another limitation is: “Except during the 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons, teams are prohibited from acquiring a free agent in a sign-and-trade if their team salary post-transaction would exceed the tax level by more than $4 million”.
minor correction on EnnBee’s post: The annual increase for non-Bird players is 4.5%.
Thanks for the clarification
So that must be the Jan 1 date that the nets trolls were talking about below. THEY have to pay Dwight less if we don’t trade him soon. But if we don’t do that trade then we have a huge advantage in what we can pay him versus anyone else.
Yugly.
That is correct. The January 1st date is only for Dwight/team he is traded to
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
You are correct on the 4.5%
I realized shortly after I posted this that I was off by 1% (or 33% from a certain point of view).
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
WELL THE DEAL IS REALLY CLOSE i think
u guys will be getting lopez and wallace
Hear that phone ringing? That's the Lakers with a better offer.
Go home.
by Jtyler998 on Dec 14, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The trades are always 'close' when the nets leak something
lol
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 14, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure hope you're wrong
I’d rather let Dwight walk and be a lottery team for a few years than be resigned to perpetual mediocrity.
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 14, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
I don’t really want to be the Orlando Hawks for the next 5 years or so….
by nick_anderson on Dec 14, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
We can tank next season if he walks
We can make another run this season with Howard. That is much better than getting mediocre assets in a trade that will condemn us to averageness for a decade.
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 14, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As can you?
I mean . . . I think you’re nuts to be willing to give up THE Brook Lopez and 2 picks for one guy. That’s just nuts. Seriously . . . NUTS!
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
by funny80sguy on Dec 14, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
lol
You have no idea what you are talking about. We’re trying to win now to keep Dwight, or make one last run if he is leaving.
Look, we can sign and trade him after the season and Dwight would go along with that. You’d have to blow us away with an offer to get us to move now. Lopez/Wallace is not even close to blowing us away.
Yugly.
i would love that to happen i wouldnt mind having dwight lopez and deron on the same team
but the thing is ur gm is soo dumb he signed big baby and richardson which basicallly mean u guys are trying to winn and not tank the season
Ya, which points to us NOT trading Dwight
We can make another run this year and offer Dwight $40 mil more than you at the end of the year. I’d take that over Lopez/Wallace. Sorry.
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 14, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i hope that happens and we take howard at the end of the year without losing howard and also without taking that hedo contract
and u guys have a good chance to rebuild i see where you going at not bad at all
Except we still have the option to sign and trade him
He isn’t just ‘walking’ even if we keep him for this year.
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 14, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well he is a freeagent and he can opt out of his contract
you cant sign and trade him since it will be no point for him since if he doesnt get trade before jan 1 he wiill earn less money…the only way u might sign and trade him is we dont have cap space sinc clearly thats not the case since we have enough cap space since we didnt sign nene thankfullly
its not its on the new CBA
i dont have the link to prove it sorry but if i have read it in 5 diffrent articles i m pretty sure its accurate
Only on NEW contracts
We still have 6 year bird rights because Dwight’s contract was signed under the last CBA. Seriously, you guys are wrong on this. We can offer Dwight way more at the end of the season than anyone else, other than via a sign and trade. This is our best leverage right now.
Yugly.
This is correct
Magic can offer 1 extra year and 7.5% raises vs. 3.5% raises. Works out to between $30 and $40 million dollars more to stay.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
OR Dallas makes a run for both Deron and Dwight next offseason
You know, a proven organization with a recent championship and Dirk Nowitzki and cap room. Both of our teams are screwed.
By the way, why are you here again? Get lost on the way to NetsDaily or something?
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
by funny80sguy on Dec 14, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Your idiot GM traded for a Deron Williams 1.5 season rental.
Have fun being the New York Islanders of the NBA.
by Jtyler998 on Dec 14, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
our ideot gm is about to get dwight and deron on the same team lol
he doesnt seem to be an idiot to me because we actually ask our player what teamates to bring in and we bring in
Showed your hand way too early. Dallas and LA outclass the Nets in pretty much every way.
If Howard leaves, it won’t be to play in New Jersey.
He can play with Deron Williams somewhere else next season.
Well Dwight alreadyy asked to be traded in New jearsy and the funny thing he wont go to new jearsy he will go to brooklyn
and deron williams said he will sign wth the nets 90 %
No reason to not listen to offers
but as long as Dwight includes the Magic as a team he might sign with there is nothing out there remotely good enough to accept.
Yugly.
Trading for Gerald Wallace is okay...
But not at the expense of Dwight. Gerald Wallace has a LOT of mileage on those legs, and he can’t have that much left in them. He would be a band-aid at best.
Also, let’s notice all of the details of these trades and how, in order to get rid of Dwight, we also have to make sure the team covers for ALL OF THE MISTAKES THAT OTIS HAS MADE LATELY. Duhon, Hedo, Arenas… ugh.
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Adding to the list of mistakes
You realize that if we did NOT sign JRich and Glen Davis, all we had to do to open up max cap space for next year was move Bass, Jameer, and Duhon for expiring contracts? Then we’d have been the hunter instead of the hunted.
It would have left us with only Dwight, Anderson, Hedo, QRich, Liggins, and Harper, but if we had free agent PG (Paul or DWill) then we’d be fine to build around this.
Would have been worth the depleted roster this season, because one of those guys would have come to play with Howard.
#fireOtis
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 14, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Now we have to find a way to move Hedo, Nelson & Duhon. Good luck.
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 14, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
This is why it made NO SENSE to me that we were going after richardson as a first priority
I mean what the hell? We needed to be selling Dwight on a plan moving forward. Show him that we were the best option for the future.
Yugly.
Supposedly...
SVG lobbied for Orlando to resign J-Rich for ‘stability’ at shooting guard. Seriously.
by nick_anderson on Dec 14, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
(rolls eyes)
I don’t want stability from a team that got torched by Atlanta in the first round. I want a plan to move forward and keep Dwight even if it takes a minor rebuild.
Yugly.
I have trust that SVG knows what he is doing.
Remember that the Magic scored more points than Atlanta in that series while they shot in the high 60% range on 3 pointers with less than 3 on the shot clock. Don’t get me wrong, they won fair and square and it was a brutal series, but you play that series 10 times and the Hawks lose 9 of them.
Finally, I remember JRich hitting some gigantic 3s (and 4 point plays) during the season. For the price (and he was offered more elsewhere), I think it’s a good deal.
Remember, the 2009 team was not a lot different personnel-wise than the team the year before other than they had time together. SVGs system thrives on understanding and instinctual reactions. Continuity and chemistry are big deals here.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
Exactly, I don't see why we don't just go after Wallace
if Portland is tryin to trade him and all
by INTOTHEMEATGRINDER on Dec 14, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Clearly Charlotte was willing to trade him for a decent center last year.
But we didn’t have Gortat by then. SMH.
Don't remind me.
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Tell me what you guys think...Yay or Nay?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7lh5nw7
Would each team be satisfied?
None.
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 14, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
why
Are the magic getting less favorable deals than no for cp3? Magic have more leverage and a harder position to fill. Should get Hershal walker type deal for him.
by dukenilnil on Dec 14, 2011 10:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
What good is cap space when there will be no stars who want to come to Orlando?
by dukenilnil on Dec 14, 2011 11:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks Otis (or Alex)
UPDATE: A league source told CBSSports.com that the Magic are “not in a rush to do anything,” and that the team’s first priority is to keep Howard. The scenario as currently constructed with Wallace joining Lopez in Orlando as the primary pieces is not enough to persuade the organization to move forward with the deal quickly, the person said.
“If people think things are imminent, then they’re being led down the wrong path,” the person said.
by karpito on Dec 14, 2011 12:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That's what I like to hear!
That trade was not going to help us in anyway right now.
I'm sure the "person" isn't Otis
I’m almost certain lol
by extremoceleste on Dec 14, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I hate being this optimistic and twisting my stomach into knots, but I wonder if this Otis pulling off one of his moves and sticking it to another franchise
Like what he did to Dallas a few years ago when he matched Gortat’s offer sheet while also signing away Brandon Bass from them on the same day. If you noticed, he is making New Jersey (and Dwight’s agent) do all of the work and since all of their energy is going into trying to get Dwight, Jersey hasn’t made any other moves to improve their roster while this is going on and the season is about to start in less than two weeks.
The Magic is probably just hedging as long as possible to be sure the Nets miss out on any decent free agents; thus guaranteeing that they will be pretty bad again this year and less appealing for anybody to go there. Heck, Deron might just leave them for Dallas or Portland (or whoever) because he is disgruntle being on a losing team with little prospects other than waiting for some rookies to develop.
Also, worse comes to worse, even if the Magic do wait until the trade deadline and MUST trade him, that Jersey pick will actually look a lot better since I cannot see them being in playoff contention at that point even if Dwight was traded there midseason.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
by funny80sguy on Dec 14, 2011 12:31 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I'm not sure if it is about stalling NJ (though that is a nice benefit)
However, if you tell NJ, “Eh, Lopez isn’t enough. Maybe with Gerald Wallace…”
So, NJ gets Portland to agree to ship Wallace and you have no intention of doing the deal, but you do know how much Portland wants for Wallace. Now you can use that as information in getting someone else from Dwight’s infamous list.
I’m not saying this was the original goal, but it could end up being a latent function of it.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
btw
Any news on being able to acquire Ellis still? I mean afterall….he is a golden state WARRIOR (hear that Otis???…he’s a WARRIOR!)
by extremoceleste on Dec 14, 2011 12:47 PM EST reply actions
I keep wondering that, too
But as a current resident of the Bay area, all I hear is that Ellis is tearing it up in camp. Could just be pre-season hype, but it sounds like they are backing off on their desire to deal him. However, if the right deal came along…
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
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