NBA Rumors: Dwight Howard Wants Chauncey Billups on Orlando Magic, Says Report
by Evan Dunlap on Dec 12, 2011 4:39 PM EST
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PrintDuring the Orlando Magic's annual Media Day event Monday, franchise center Dwight Howard--whose trade request became public Saturday--softened his stance on leaving Orlando, leaving open the possibility that he would stay if the team made certain moves. "If you're willing to change and you're willing to do what it takes to win, then, you know, you've got me," Howard said, according to Brian Schmitz of the Orlando Sentinel.
And citing sources, ESPN's Marc Stein reports one move Howard wants Orlando to make is to sign free-agent point guard Chauncey Billups after he clears waivers. The New York Knicks used the amnesty clause on the former NBA Finals MVP in order to clear salary-cap space to add Tyson Chandler, making Billups a free agent. According to Stein, Howard sees Billups as a potential "anchor" for Orlando.
The Magic, if they indeed wish to pursue Billups, will have plenty of competition for his services; Stein says Howard would need to dissuade the 14-year veteran from joining the Miami Heat. Billups averaged 16.8 points and 5.4 assists in 2010/11, split between the Denver Nuggets and the Knicks, while shooting 40.2 percent on three-pointers and 91.6 percent from the foul line.
But before this situation can play out, Billups must clear waivers. Teams below the salary cap may enter blind bids on players waived via the amnesty clause, with the team submitting the highest bid earning the rights to that player. Billups' agent, Andy Miller, has tried scaring teams away from claiming off waivers. "Buyer beware," Miller said. Nonetheless, the Charlotte Bobcats may call Billups' bluff and claim him anyway. Further, Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reports the New Jersey Nets might claim Billups in the hopes of luring Howard.
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The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
by cgsimone on Dec 12, 2011 4:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
No, to answer my own question.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
by cgsimone on Dec 12, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
I saw it in the story editor and there was no question I was gonna use it
With most stories I take entirely too much time, but this choice was easy.
by Evan Dunlap on Dec 14, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
I hope the Bobcats aren't stupid enough to try to claim him
I’d hate to see Chauncey retire early when he has a couple good seasons left.
by travell7288 on Dec 12, 2011 4:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If the Bobcats pick him up
We might be able to trade for him. If they don’t, I think we’d be hard-pressed to convince him to come here over Miami.
Don't you mean the newest Miami Heat scapegoat?
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Dec 12, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
So, if the Nets bid and get Chauncy Billups...
Does that mean they’d trade us Deron Williams as he would be redundant?
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
(obviously joking, BTW)
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
Not for 1 year
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
by anchor..
Does he mean dead weight? Dude is 35, not exactly a long term plan. What’s it mean Howard thinks of Nelson? Thought they were buds
I think Dwight wants him for locker room reasons
and veteran toughness. Overall I think Dwight wants the team to be tougher on the perimeter.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
An actual anchor
is an upgrade to Duhon. So, yeah, I’ll take an anchor.
by Lion7two on Dec 12, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
#1...Why would Billups choose Orlando over Miami ( guaranteed starting position, near-guaranteed championship)?...
#2…If the Nets do that, the Magic should purposefully trade him to any other team but them.
I don't know why he would choose Orlando over Miami either.
As much as it pains me to say that.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
by cgsimone on Dec 12, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe he's a theme park enthusiast... :D?
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 12, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He was on the Magic (briefly)...
before we traded him to Detroit (along with Wallace and Chucky Atkins). Maybe he remembers his time here fondly; plus he owes us a ring (since we were the ones (John Gabriel) who gave him and other future all-star Wallace up for one-wheel Grant Hill, thus making it possible for him to win a ring in Detroit). You know I really think Orlando’s front-office has been one of the worst in NBA history. Aside from the miracle ping-pong balls, I can’t think of one positive move they’ve made in 20 years.
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by TheOtherWhiteMeat on Dec 12, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually he signed with Minnesota after the Magic 3 month rental (Billups was injured and didn't play at all)
After a year, Detroit then signed him.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
Ah, thanks for clarifying...
I thought I remembered him playing in a couple of games for us, but Wikipedia says he was injured, as well. But, it still illustrates a trend for Orlando, play here, get traded, then win a Championship with someone else. So, if Dwight leaves, whoever gets him is almost garuanteed a Championship.
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by TheOtherWhiteMeat on Dec 12, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In the Magic's defense on Billups
He really wasn’t that good back then, and it really took him about 5-6 years before becoming a legit player.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
Whatever
That is not true at all, Shaq hosed us, and Grant Hill as much as I shudder to think of his tenure, was a great signing at the time, as well as the TMac signing. I have no ill will to that management team, they swung for the fences. The ball was just barely foul. It happens.
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by Eric9321 on Dec 12, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Whatever, indeed, John is that you?
I’ll give you T-Mac, but giving a $90 million garuanteed contract to a guy coming off an injury who hadn’t cleared his physical yet, was not a smart move. In fact, one might say it was every dumb move, since it delayed the rebuilding of the team post-Shaq for additional 5 years (not G. Hill’s fault, I actually like the guy, but definitely Gab’s fault.)
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by TheOtherWhiteMeat on Dec 13, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
You eaither were not watching the Magic at the time
or you weren’t watching Detroit. Either way, no one was worried about Grant’s long term status. i heard no one utter a peep of concern, not the Bull’s who were also trying to land him, or anyone. The only fault anyone had in that process was letting Grant come back before the injury had healed properly, i will give you that, but coming from me, the guy who couldn’t stand the fact that the Magic had to suffer through those wasted years, I still don’t think the Magic were at fault to sign him. I still say it would have been a home run if they had kept Grant on ice longer until his ankle was 100%.
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I said anyone way too many times
But I still feel like the move was sound.
I am made of bits of real panther so you know I'm good.
I'd approve of seeing Nelson and Billups split the PG position.
I just don’t think there’s a way for the Magic to lure Billups to Orlando. The Nets or Bobcats could claim him, and either seems pretty likely. If they don’t, Miami seems like a much better destination than Orlando right now.
The only way, ONLY way he comes is if he wants to play with Howard. With Wade and LeBron, Billups would barely be “running an offense” and rather just be there to be a body taking up the PG spot. He’s complained about being brought in to be a “glue guy”, so if he’s got that much pride, being brought in to play defense and pass the ball to the starts at mid-court might not be his bag.
Joining the Magic seems like a tougher road to a title, but he would likely play a bigger role in getting them there. For a guy that has a ring and seems to value himself as “still having it”, that’s the only reason it MIGHT be possible.
Very unlikely though.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 12, 2011 5:01 PM EST reply actions
True.
When you have the second best basketball player on earth call you by name that has to be intriguing.
Plus, Billups is a true point guard. In Orlando he’d play PG, for reals. In Miami he would be Derek Fisher. Just a spot up shooter that happens to be shorter than the other spot up shooters.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 12, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I want him to come here
and in his press conference say his reason for coming here was because he wanted to play “for reals point guard”.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
by cgsimone on Dec 12, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe this is a good opportunity for the Magic and Howard to get together.
Billups would be a good addition to the Magic rotation, and I don’t think the Magic would turn him down if he wanted to come to Orlando. However, it’s going to be TOUGH to get him in pinstripes.
Now might be a great time to bring Howard into “the room” and discuss how they can make it happen. They can explain what’s available, listen to his ideas, and they can work on the process TOGETHER to try and get Billups. There’s no way it’s going to happen without Howard swaying Billups, and management would be fighting for a good PG who Howard would love to see be a part of the Magic.
Management would be proving they are doing all they can, and Howard would see that first hand. He would also see how things aren’t as simple as “making it happen”. Best of all, if he CAN lure Billups here, it’d be a win-win. If they CAN’T get Billups, Howard will have been part of the process every step of the way, thus making him feel better about the situation.
Either outcome would go a long way towards rebuilding the relationship between Howard and the Magic.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 12, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Off topic and vaguely creepy, but...
I love watching you post on this board. You save me so much typing because you always seem to say EXACTLY what I want to say. If’ I’m reading something, nodding my head, and waiting to get to the bottom so I can “rec” it, a huge percentage of the time its coming from the BBQ chicken.
I’m starting to wonder if I had a brother I was never told about.
</weirdo>
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
I'm just going to hum it because we're all thinking it. *sings* "Love is in the air . . ."
I don't get the whole 'pop-tart cats pooping rainbows thing,' but then, I'm old. So, there it is.
I was thinking "Age of Aquarius", but, you know . . . to each, their own.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
Thanks!
I also nod my head when I read my posts.
:-P
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 12, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A really good point about glue guy vs. being a leader
Billups is a terrific leader and perhaps he would have 2nd thoughts about trying to run an offense when Lebron is trying to do the same thing.
Still a long shot, but pretty much the only angle the Magic really have to sell him on, I think.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
Why would he go public with this?
Now every team in the Howard sweepstakes will try to get him. But then that is probably what he wants, so he can point to not signing him as an example.
He "could", but why?
Having a Nelson/Billups rotation would be much better than the Magic have had in years. They have J-Rich, JJ, Q-Rich, and Liggins all available as an SG. I’m sure he could slide over for rare occasions, but I can’t image he’d play the 2-spot on a regular basis.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 12, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
If I recall correctly, he played some for Team U.S.A. in the World Championships 2 years ago...
,,,And I believe he may have had some run with Ty Lawson in Denver as well…It might be possible for short stretches.
Not really.
Hughes, Pruitt, and Liggins probably won’t make the team (though I would like to keep Liggins around and stick him in the D-League). Wafer won’t get much PT. Duhon doesn’t really count. So the only real guards we have are Jameer, JJ, and JRich.
FEAR THE MEER!
I forgot about Q, who would probably play more 3 for us.
Seeing as that we don’t have anyone behind Turk.
Though as Q said himself, swingmen are swingmen (or something).
FEAR THE MEER!
liggins will make it, hughes and pruitt wont. Duhon can go. Q can go to. We have way to many guards. Orlando gets this done and it shows dwight we mean business.
@bimbim3000 why would we trade for a back up center? We got Orton and Big Baby (who is looking like a machine?)
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
idk, i think they should play their original positions as pf's. and get a big man to back up dwight.. but is orton is making the team, we should stick to him, right?
Missing Dwight already..
Hughes or Pruitt will make the team.
The Magic aren’t going to start the season with only Nelson and Duhon at PG. One of the two will make the team. Unless another PG is acquired in some sort of deal you can count on one of those two sticking.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 12, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Supposedly Orton is heathly.
I’m not sure if the Magic intend to have him suit up, or if they’ll put him in the D-League for a while. If he can put in a handful of minutes then the frontcourt should be ok with Howard, backed up by Orton and Davis, with possibly Clark, Harper, or Anderson in blowouts.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 12, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
I'm fairly sure
that Orlando would sign Billups if it is at all possible. If not, they should be resigned to losing Dwight. He wants to win, now. Not in 2 years. I’m not saying Billups would guarantee a title, but this is the sort of thing Dwight is talking about – good players that supposedly become available and all Orlando is doing is signing Chris Duhon for 4 years…
I think the only slim possibility of getting Billups is to guarantee him a starting position and throw most of the mid-level at him
But even that might not be enough….There is going to be some stiff competition for his services.
I dont think theyll do that.
Given his age, he’d temporily be here to help us grow. Help make somthing grow around Dwight and Jammer, the face of this era’s Magic.
by flaonline1700 on Dec 12, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. We won't get him.
I don't get the whole 'pop-tart cats pooping rainbows thing,' but then, I'm old. So, there it is.
this kind of approach gets us nowhere. If its between ORL and MIA we will get him. That might sound optimistic but hey… @#$! happens.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
This kind of approach? lol
As though the comments of a sarcastic anonymous internet poster have anything to do with the Magic’s acquisition of talent.
It’s your right to see the glass as half-full. It’s my right to see the glass as broken. :)
I don't get the whole 'pop-tart cats pooping rainbows thing,' but then, I'm old. So, there it is.
by Redfield on Dec 12, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
good god...
Knicks met with jamal crawford and want him to be their 2.5 mil exception.. are you freakin kidding me? 2.5 mil as chris carter and tom jackson on monday countdown say: C’MON MAN!!
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
OT (sorry E.D. but this is too good) : Mikhail Prokhorov will run for president vs Putin.
I think the lockout got everyone crazy. Between, him, Stern and everything that is going down, this will be a hell of a NBA season.
Don't mind my spelling. I'm a Typo Master.
Paul, DWill, and now Chauncey
What does that say about Jammer? Isn’t Jameer a captain also? He can’t be happy with Dwight always saying we need a better PG.
For 1 year, Otis might have to put the chips in and go for it. It would be great if Chauncey would take a backup role but I doubt it. What is the demand for Jameer? If feels like most teams have a solid PG. Maybe Detroit; give Knight a year to learn the position. Maybe Toronto if they amnesty Calderon. Maybe the Lakers with no Paul now. But there are not many teams in need for an OK PG.
What a mess.
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
You could probably trade Jameer to the Lakers or Hawks. Maybe the Clippers, or the Thunder if they want Westbrook at SG full time. Possibly the Hornets depending on whatever Paul trade ends up happening if one does end up happening.
There isn’t a strong market for PGs.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 12, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately
Dwight is right – we need a better starting point guard and have for a while – hopefully Jameer will agree to being a terrific force off the bench and maybe Dwight can be instrumental in helping persuade him of this!
15 minutes left
Any word on any team picking up Chauncey on the waiver wire?
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
Or the NBA
is frantically seeing if they can veto the Nets or Bobcats plans. Much more fun for the league to see Chauncey go to a contender, even if it is likely Miami.
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MARK STEIN
just reported NETS WONT GO AFTER BILLUPS!
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 12, 2011 6:00 PM EST reply actions
"@johnhollinger: OKC and Indy are two my two favorites to win the Chauncey bidding. Will be an upset if he slips thru."
Missing Dwight already..
damnit
Don't be a follower homie, be a leader! And if I lose you on twitter, then so be it
by supermantotherescue on Dec 12, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
It looks like he made it past the amnesty wire
Now let’s see if he actually wants to come to the Magic, OR more importantly, Dwight makes an actual pitch to him and the Magic try to follow up with it.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
wait
so OKC and Ind didn’t claim him??
Don't be a follower homie, be a leader! And if I lose you on twitter, then so be it
by supermantotherescue on Dec 12, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Oops, guess I was wrong
Clippers claimed him. Oh well.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
anyone else see on twitter
that all these nba cp3 trades falling apart is a attempt by the nba to force
cp3 to orlando
That would be awesome
and corrupt at the same time. But if it screws over the Lakers, its fair.
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
by L Magico on Dec 12, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
damnit
Chauncey Billups has been claimed by an NBA team off amnesty waiver — but it isn’t the Nets, league source tells Y! Sports.
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 12, 2011 6:07 PM EST reply actions
according to wojo
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 12, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
The Clippers placed a bid on Chauncey Billups, league source tells Y! Sports.
by Robin from Germany on Dec 12, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
They can actually use him
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 12, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
wonder how many teams did this to block the Heat (as well as to help themselves out)
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
darn it!!!!
freakin clippers so this means he has no choice but to report…. cant catch a break man.
why of all teams would they claim him?
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
they have Mo Williams starting
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 12, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
At least he isn't going to the Heat
They would have been pretty unbeatable with Billups at the point.
by zachfire9 on Dec 12, 2011 6:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I know right...
honestly, I’m kinda relieved..
I dont they could
because they are over the cap.
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
Hey Evan what happens if he doesnt report to the Clips?
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
And he won't be going to any other team.
Teams owners vote if a player wants to un-retire. Cf. Jason Williams
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 13, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Sucks but at least he doesn't go to Miami
can’t be traded until this summer if I’m not mistaken.
also the best deal for CP3 is now off the table
how in the world would the nets bring howard to them by signing billups? am i missing something?
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
They had two choices.
Since they were under the cap they could have put in a bid.
Or if he cleared waivers he would have been free to sign where ever he wanted.
SpearsNBAYahoo: Addition of C Billups and C Butler to Clippers huge. But disappointing for CB initially as source close to him says he wanted to join Heat. [via Twitter]
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Billups, Gordon, Butler, Griffin, Jordan
with Bledsoe, Kaman and Mo Williams as key reserves… not bad
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 12, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
i dunno
he’s been wrong a lot
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 12, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
I cant see how the NBA would accept an offer from Orlando after rejecting the ones from the Clippers and the Lakers (they’ve got more to offer imo)..
by Robin from Germany on Dec 12, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting
and may be what the commish wants. But he cant just dictate where players go, can he?
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
Totally.
I 100% agree that the league would love for Paul to come to Orlando.
- New arena.
- All-star game.
- New Super-Team that generates greater ratings.
- Championship caliber small market team that validates premise of lockout (as opposed to if the league has a lockout arguing that they are for small market teams to be able to compete and then Howard & Paul immediate force their way out of small market teams making the league look foolish)
Paul to Orlando would be the best possible result for the league. Even adding Orlando to the Christmas game slate implies to me that that might have been the plan.
But I think that option is dead now that the Rocket-Laker-Hornet trade leaked and got squashed. The Magic offer would be terrible in comparison and if the league accepted it the conspiracy theorists would explode.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 12, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I highly doubt any conspiracy of the sort (but would welcome it with open arms).
That said, if there were a conspiracy, when has David Stern ever backed down from what he wanted to do because people were complaining about the appearance of impropriety? I am not a David Stern fan by a long shot, but one thing he is not is shy about getting what he wants no matter what anyone else thinks.
My guess is that even if the Magic could put together something that might remotely grab Paul, they won’t be doing it for a little while. The 2 nixed trades are too fresh and nothing right now will work. Give it a couple of months and then do it. People have very short memories and even if they remember, the outrage would be difficult to sustain for any lasting effect.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
Actually.
There are a few members of the media that think that the league was right to veto the lakers trade.
The rationale is that the Hornets need youth and salary cap freedom to rebuild. Odom, Martin, Scola are all expensive on semi-long term contracts and old. They are saying that winning 38-44 games (out of a normal 82) isn’t going to help the Hornets going forward.
You could make the argument that Nelson, Redick, Anderson, Orton is the better offer. It gives you three young players with good potential and one veteran whose contract is up soon. Which equals youth and salary cap flexibility.
The talent level is much lower. But the Hornets would be better off financially and positioned to possibly land a superstar in the ‘12 draft and be a factor again in the West.
Let’s be real. Scola, Odom, and Martin… that team is never competing with the Lakers, Mavs, Spurs, Thunder, and Clippers.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 12, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I totally think they were right to veto the Lakers trade
But I don’t think anyone would think an offer the Magic could make would be better at this point. With the Atlanta playoff exit the last thing anyone remembers, Magic players, while not stellar, are generally regarded as lower than reality (just like guys like JJ Barea are overvalued right now). If the Magic can play well that may change.
They still wouldn’t be able to offer an unprotected pick from a cellar dweller right now, either, and that’s a big deal.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
Right.
ESPN would flip and call Stern a communist or… something. The anti-santa claus, because he stole their Paul-Bryant stories that they were already typing up.
But, Anderson has a really shiny 19.1 PER and Orton is considered a high potential type player so there’s that. Nelson has the potential to be flipped for another young player or a pick.
It’s not that far off from the kind of offer the Hornets should be looking at.
(HERE is a chat with Jason Fleming where he discusses some of these topics)
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 12, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Of course, the latest rumors are that the NBA has been “aggressively” pursuing the Clippers to reopen negotiations for Paul and want to do something as soon as tomorrow.
So, it could still again all be moot anyway.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
This mostly academic.
I don’t think anyone from the Magic ever contacted the Hornets to propose anything.
Seems like he’ll go to the Clippers. It’s just a matter of whether they’ll include Gordon or not.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 12, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
It's an interesting theory, but I just don't think the Magic have the assets to pull off a Paul trade, even if they pull in a third team.
In the hypothetical Houston/Lakers construction, the Rockets facilitated the deal because they got Pau Gasol out of the bargain. Orlando doesn’t have an asset, apart from Howard, who’s nearly as enticing.
uh oh...might hit a snag...Billups in Miami makes Orl chances of Dwight staying worse
LarryCoon Larry Coon
Tell them to read Article VII Section 4(a)(3). RT @EricPincus: Clipper sources verify that DeAndre’s cap hold is not GST offer amount
looking forward to watch this new guy play!
Missing Dwight already..
by bimbim3000 on Dec 12, 2011 6:55 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
I like the way he was talking in his press scrum.
He’s a very mature dude. I think he may help us out more than most think.
My favorite was his answer to "Would you be willing to be a sidekick?"
I’m paraphrasing here, “Yeah I would be willing to be anything that is needed for the team, be that a sidekick . .. frontkick . . . backkick . . . flip kick . . . whatever. To win a championship, you have to sacrifice yourself.”
It was awesome.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
But in a few weeks time
he will complain he doesn’t know his role on the team!
After looking at this picture only one thing comes to mind....
can we take all the “Matt Barnes will kill you” T-shirts and just change them to Big Baby will kill you?
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by malenko on Dec 13, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Or maybe just "Big Baby Will Eat You"
Probably more accurate
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ANOTHER MISS BY OTIS.
Orlando was under the cap after waving Arenas. But went back over the cap by signing all those no-names on the first day of free agency. Had Otis Smith waited we could have bid for Chauncey. There was no need to sign all those players that nobody else wanted on the first day.
by Leandro. on Dec 12, 2011 7:00 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
We were under the Luxury Tax, we were never under the Salary Cap
by ggrant on Dec 12, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There's a separate level.
You can be (1) under the cap, (2) over the cap but under the luxury tax, or (3) so far over the cap that you pay a luxury tax. The Magic are currently in (2). Getting rid of Arenas got them out of (3).
I like to watch.
by MoveThoseChains on Dec 12, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Dwight = Diva
Seriously, so many different acquisitions the past couple years, Dwight still doesn’t like the team. Magic have been in the thick of the playoff race recently, why bail out now? Isn’t Jameer a “captain” too?
Being in the playoff race doesn't equal winning a title.
I don’t think any player should be satisfied just making the playoffs. Our talent level isn’t good enough to get past the second round. I don’t blame Dwight for wanting better pieces. Kobe did the same thing a few years ago. He then won two more titles.
Oderint dum metuant
Billups had NO interest
His top 2 were Miami and LAL
by Memphissleek on Dec 12, 2011 7:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Dwight can't make up his mind about where he wants to be...
How is he gonna convince somebody else?
hey guys, nets fan here
and i really think dwight is going to stay here at least for now.
congrats, guys, martins must really be something.
I don't whether to take this as good or bad
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Billups on the Magic again would be weird
I’m sure everybody here remembers watching him demolish us over and over and over as the Pistons continually eliminated us from the playoffs.
Oops, not that it matters now
I need to pay more attention!
Dwight giving vote of no confidence to Jameer?
Wants Billups.
Irritated/angered over loss of Arenas.
Comments in summer about SVG using Arenas the wrong way.
Combine in a bowl and stir.
"...sometimes your eyes lie to you..." ~SVG | I'm on Twitter
I love Dwight and want him to stay.
But sometimes he doesn’t come off smart, which is odd because he is smart. Why in the world would he want to go to New Jersey??? They are gonna give Nene a big contract, as well as overpay for a small forward. Nene is not taking a one year contract. So Deron Williams will be with Brook Lopez and Nene and……..ok? Lakers can’t sign him. Dallas is the only threat. Media is being stupid as well. The nets are run horribly. Utah swindled them so bad, its not even funny. They are gonna sign Nene, and kill cap space. Lakers will have no cap space. Dwight is gonna end up staying, unless Dallas clears enough cap space for Deron Williams and Dwight.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
I don't know where to start
The nets are run horribly
The Magic are going to lose their franchise player again and get nothing in return and you are saying that the nets are run horribly? There is 0 chance that Dwight is staying, just look at his body language and look at the tools that Otis has to rebuild the roster. Both are not good indicators. The definition of crazy doing the exact same thing over and over again and expecting a new outcome.
Utah swindled them so bad, its not even funny.
How is that again? Nets traded a bunch of spare parts and Favors (who could be very good but has a long way to go) for the #3 PG in the game.
the Nets made a good deal imo
but they are no better off than the Magic if they don’t get Howard. And as bad as you think the Magic players are, this team is better than the one that reached the Finals. How did your team do with its ‘assets’ last year? I would be willing to bet with Dwight, this Magic team beats the crap out of the Nets all year long. Care to take a wager? ;)
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im really afraid of dallas
they are making smart moves to clear space to sign both williams and howard next season..CRAP
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 13, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
eh?
Nowitzki, Marion, Odom, and Haywood alone add up to $46 million. That puts them at, what? $12 million under.
I don’t think that’s enough for either Williams or Howard let alone both.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 13, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
I think Odom's last year is a team option buyout
And the rate they are going, they could probably find a taker for Brendan Haywood (Cleveland? Toronto?) or amnesty him if they really wanted. Dallas is a definite threat.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
yeah
Odom has a Team Option. And the Mavs still have their amnesty provision.
Buuuuut… They are crazy old, are going to be significantly worse this year without Chandler, and without Odom would if anything be even less attractive as a destination.
There’s no way they can amnesty Haywood without knowing for sure they’re getting Dwight. Which means Marion would be the most likely amnesty target.
No Odom, no Kidd, no Marion, maybe no Terry, and a 35 year old Nowitzki? I’m not buying the Maverick Kool-Aid at this point. Maybe I’m just cynical.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 13, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Haywood would get amnestied.
Still it seems they would have cap for only one.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
hmm
that makes me a feel a little better…but we all know cuban is gonna pick dwight over deron any day of the week
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 13, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
They won it all without a dominant post threat anyway
they probably go after one of the guards
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 13, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
They also gave up Alec Burks.
Devin Harris is no spare part. He is no Deron Williams, but Devin Harris is a top 15 top 10 pg. And why did New Jersey still suck when they got Williams? Also Nets fan so you have biased. I never said Orlando was run great. But they are going to give Nene big time money. So how do you plan on getting Dwight? The only legit threat now to Orlando is Dallas. When Derrick Favors becomes the next Dwight Howard come back and talk to me. Oh yeah they have Enes Kanter. And Heyword, and Burks, and Jefferson, and Milsap. Utah might not be good this season, but watch them make playoff runs before New Jersey.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Utah has Jefferson who they may not even need
they could flip him for Iggy or a good young SG. Utah’s team is run brilliantly. They knew Deron wasnt gonna re-sign so they got a YOUNG top 15 PG and highly touted young big in Favors. Utah’s easily has the better staff than Joysey
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 13, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
So what is the Magic's game plan now?
I think the only reasonable thing to do this year is shed salary to make a run at Deron Williams. Would that be possible, and would he even want to play here if so? The only FA out there that is appealing is Crawford and I have not found anything to make me believe the Magic have a shot at signing him. In fact, Crawford and Wafer might just give us the shot creating we need to compete with the Heat.
I am made of bits of real panther so you know I'm good.
I think they're gonna go after D-Will too..
He and Dwight want to play together for sure. I don’t think Dwight or D-Will really want to live in NJ where its cold during the winter months, they’d have to pay state taxes and its not very family friendly (at least not like Orlando is..and I think D-Will has 4 little ones and a wife that would love the area). I think this is the reason why as of late, Dwight has sort of soften his stance on leaving. I think Alex Martins brought this to his attention..
by shaymac on Dec 13, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is the problem. Reality gets in the way of your plan here.
There is no way that the Magic can clear out enough salary to get 18million under the cap and there is an even smaller chance that the nets would trade DWIll for spare parts to the Magic. Turkeyglue, makes too much money and NOONE will take his contract without taking back Dwight.
Magic’s best option is to take Brook Lopez (who is one of the top 3 scoring centers in the league and had an off season rebounding last year) 2 draft picks, maybe Farmar, and Damion James, for Dwght and Turkeglue.
This would give you guys a TON of cap flexibility a very nice piece in Lopez and 2 picks. It is also the perfect season to rebuild. It is shorter so not a big deal if you stink and the draft crop this year is going to be amazing. With Anthony Davis, Harrison Barnes, Andre Drummond, Jared Sullinger, Jeremy Lamb, Austin Rivers, Perry Jones this will be the best draft class since Lebron, Wade, Melo, Bosh. Having 3 picks in the first round will be a great beginning.
I am not saying it is an ideal situation for the organization, but there really aren’t many better options out there when you look at it realistically.
by tategeorge on Dec 13, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice try.
You’re wrong on many accounts here.
But the most glaring one is that we would have significant cap flexibility. Which is not the case.
The only thing I agree with is that there aren’t any teams that can make a halfway decent offer for Paul or Howard. Which is pretty evident by the fact that neither has been traded yet.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 13, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
How is the cap space wrong?
With Hedo gone and Dwight Gone you are shedding close to 30 million in salary and bringing back like 9 (if you count Lopez’s cap hold number).
If you do this trade, the total payroll number is no higher than $43 million, giving the Magic close to max salary space.
Imagine having Lopez, Anthony Davis, 2 solid other rookies and cap room. that is not terrible. Not ideal but not a terrible way to start over.
Imagine
having one of the worst teams in the league again and your one good player gearing up to go elsewhere. That is your situation in a nutshell.
by Satch30 on Dec 13, 2011 4:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But they will have cap-flexibility
I’ve read from somebody from somewhere that cap-flexibility is a close second to actually having good players on your roster.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
Right.
It’s complicated. But something like this.
Using your trade where the Magic take back nothing at all but Lopez (which I don’t think is how it would happen) the Magic would be on the hook for $46.25 mil. That’s including the new Davis and Richardson signings as well as Lopez’s contract. But that does not include any other players the Magic may look to sign or the MLE they’ve yet to use and most certainly will use.
So $46.25 million. And probably more than that. But we will use the most optimistic number for your sake.
That is still not a max contract worth of cap space to be used to lure a star. Compound that with the fact that in this scenario Howard/Williams/Paul are already off the market and that space is even less meaningful.
Then Lopez would be in line for a new deal and that is going to be $10-$12 million at least for a young center that averages 20ppg.
So the following summer the Magic would be over the cap again if unless they renounce the rights to Nelson and Redick. But that would mean not leveraging them for anything at all in return. Which doesn’t seem wise since that free agent class is less than inspiring to begin with.
So it may be a fundamental difference in the way we define the phrase “TON of cap flexibility”. But I disagree that dipping $10-$12 million under the cap briefly when there’s no attractive players to sign before immediately going back to being at the cap is the huge selling point that you are making it out to be.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 13, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Letting him walk for nothing would be much better.
But I doubt he turns down $30 million or $40 million. So eat it.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
by Mateo9399 on Dec 13, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Deron is living in Soho
and has stated that his wife has always wanted to live in NYC. He has also said that his plan is to stay.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Dec 13, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yes cause lord knows players never change their plans.
Please leave a message, I'm busy hiding my cat from TGS.
Look, I just lost my favorite player in baseball for nothing.
This is no fun. I had trouble facing reality – I knew Jose Reyes would not be back, but I was in denial. Point is, it is Dwight Howard who is requesting the trade here, not Deron Williams. You do not want to be in the denial stage for too long.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Dec 13, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Denial....kinda like when Howard has backed off the trade request, the Magic have said they won't trade him this year and the Nets are about to blow all their cap space on NeNe yet Nets fans still think they are getting Howard
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by malenko on Dec 13, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You do not "back off" a trade request.
It is clear that Howard has wanted to mend the situation in Orlando. I know he wants to stay there. What is going on is obvious – he has told Otis Smith that if you do not find a way to fix this ASAP (even though he has had many chances beforehand) I would like you to trade me to NJ.
I do not recall the Magic saying they will absolutely not trade him this year. There is a difference between saying “we aren’t trading him” and “our plan is to keep him here.” Plans do not always work out.
The Nets would not be “blowing” their cap space by signing Nene.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Dec 13, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
The Lakers were able to provide in the form of Pau Gasol.
Let’s see if the Magic can do that.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Dec 14, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
I like this.
Because as someone who,
A.) Is a Marlins fan.
B.) Doesn’t think that the Howard to Nets trade is going to happen.
C.) Is actually one of the few Magic fans that is in favor of the Nets trade versus the Lakers etc..
I am pretty sure no matter how this turns out I have defeated you.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 13, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Oh man...
Out of curiosity, are there Magic fans going to the Nets site trolling or harassing you guys about Deron Williams or Dwight Howard? If so, let me personally apologize to you because these people have clearly incited you to come to our boards for payback.
I cannot believe that I said I was thankful that the Nets fans were being classy by keeping their dream trade discussions on their own site and allowing us to talk about our best player on our favorite team.
Geez, I never understood why people do this and what they actually get out of it.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
by funny80sguy on Dec 13, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There is one person who seems to be a Magic fan, but I do not see him here on OPP, so that does not even matter.
I just feel like after losing my absolute favorite player in another sport, it is important for any sports fan to know that you cannot always be in the denial stage. Trade suggestions should always be realistic and based on fact. If I see that someone thinks Deron’s family would like to live in Orlando just because of the kids, I do not think that you should go on beleving such a thing when there are facts that clearly state otherwise. The fact is that Deron has said that his family has always wanted to live in New York City. He is right now. Not in New Jersey. He has said he wants to remain here. Those are facts.
The absolute last thing I want to do is to come off as a troll or harasser. Either way, I just wanted those points to be known, and I certainly know now that you are not interested in having me or any other Nets fans here (or Lakers fans for that matter). So I will leave now and refrain from coming back. Those are really the only points I wanted to make. Unless you reply back expecting a reply for me, I will be gone now.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Dec 13, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
And yet, he hasn't signed that extension
Has he?
I am made of bits of real panther so you know I'm good.
I don't see this as trolling. Your opinion is valid.
Trolling to me is something ilke:
Lakers fan: OH MY GAWD! KOBE IZ BETR THAN JORDAN! WE GONNA SIGN D12 AND CP3! THEN IT BE KOBED12CP34LIFE!
or
Celtics fan: Y’ALL SOFT! MAGICS GOT NUTHIN ON BIG GREEN! SCALABRINE BALL ON Y’ALL ERYDAY!
(I’m aware that Brian Scalabrine isn’t on the Celtics anymore but I know Celtics fans who lament that fact as he was the greatest basketball player ever in their minds. Because they are racist. Kinda like how my grandmother’s favorite basketball players of all time are Pat Garrity, Matt Harpring, Mike Doleac, JJ Redick and Hedo Turkoglu.)
Come to think of it, the Nets fans have been kinda awesome so far. I’ve had no complaints.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
lol
I am glad she has the sense to stay way from Declerq but I’m disappointed Mike Miller didn’t make her team. He was pretty cool.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 13, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Oh she liked Mike Miller, no question.
Although I don’t think she was keen on Scott Skiles which is disappointing because he was one of my favorite players as a kid. Probably is my favorite light-skinned Magic Man ever.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
LMAO
I remember Dwight saying the same thing, as well as countless other players before that. Doesn’t every single player say that? regardless, you could be right, i am just saying we know nothing. for all we know, Dwight might just be whispering sweet nothings into our ears to make us happy for X-Mas. the bottom line to me is, I would rather lose Dwight than trade him for anything less than a superstar or top 5 draft picks. but that is just me. But no sense beating up people here because they don’t want Dwight to be traded, i am sure you would be in the same boat if the roles were reversed, and come next year, be careful of all the karma you are storing up.
I am made of bits of real panther so you know I'm good.
i think we should have Dwight talk to his peoples and let them know to not opt out
If he and the others wait one more year our salary space is tremendously increased and will not have any problem signing CP3 or DWill
Ok
But who do you give up for DWill or CP3? What assets can the Magic provide?
Well the Magic's payroll would be sitting at about 50 million in the summer of 2013 (as it stands now and assuming Howard re-signs)
you’d basically be looking at no Nelson, Redick and Anderson. The 50 mil is also assuming Q Richardson and Hedo exercise their player option and the magic exercise their team option for Orton.
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we dont need those players once we aquire them, also I am pretty sure we can get people to play here
If and only If we have D12 and Dwill or CP3 committed. Q qould sign for the min, JJ prolly aint gonna get a big payday next go round, This is the only shot we have, this is the way the NBA has evolved and I don’t like it either, but if you cant beat em join em
No one, that is the point
CP will be traded in days to a team with a better package than Magic can offer and if DWill leaves, he will be traded for someone better as well.
obviously u didnt read :
Both dont opt out this next summer> play out full deals> talk behind closed doors like all others do> our salary will be able to sign both players
So, wait, you think Dwight is impatient now but that he will wait until the end of NEXT season to get someone?
No way that Deron and CP3wiat that long. CP will be gone in the next week.
do we have the cap space to sign deron/paul this summer?
if not, should magic amnesty hedo? or theres only one amnesty per team?
Missing Dwight already..
by bimbim3000 on Dec 13, 2011 3:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It's
been awful quiet since yesterday…
by Satch30 on Dec 13, 2011 4:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
otis and stan quoted they would like to add a big man..
there not much out there.. should magic consider przybilla?
Missing Dwight already..
by bimbim3000 on Dec 13, 2011 4:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Pryz is a nasty player, I like
he wont take a 1 year deal though
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 13, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
The lack of news is killing me and I can’t find a decent magic message board to talk about the team! OPP needs a forum section
by Randall1178 on Dec 13, 2011 5:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
hmm
we better trade a wing player..i completely forgot we have Q Rich still
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 13, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm....I don't know
If Earl Clark hasn’t been signed by now (5 days into a shorten training camp), I don’t think he will be coming in.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
OPP isn't a forum. That's simply not happening.
The only SB Nation sites with forums (CelticsBlog is one) have them because they existed prior to joining SB Nation.
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 14, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Once the season starts, the game previews and recaps will pretty much have that covered, no?
Can we just start playing games on the court already?!
They should
I really don’t even see why it’s an issue, people here pretty much just jump from new post to new post and use it as the open forum. Everyone talks about the new topic at first and it eventually just degrades into open talking.
Please leave a message, I'm busy hiding my cat from TGS.
And by open I just mean all things Magic.
Personally I pretty much like everyone here, but if people are looking for a place to just ramble about their cats or what they are eating for dinner, then they in the wrong place imo.
Please leave a message, I'm busy hiding my cat from TGS.
by malenko on Dec 14, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone
know of any recent camp updates?
by Satch30 on Dec 13, 2011 7:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Earl Clark rumor
Saw this today, Nuggets are trying to sign Clark:
http://denver.sbnation.com/denver-nuggets/2011/12/13/2633820/earl-clark-rumors-orlando-magic-denver-nuggets
At this point....
We really dont NEED clark, the money spent could be used elsewhere. Dont get me wrong though he is a decent addition but with Anderson,Orton,Dwight,Newly acquired Big Baby and Justin Harper i dont think that is priority, i think narrowing down the guards and then using the space we got to sign what we really NEED. Again im not hating on clark. We are still trading some guards before christmas that is a definite.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
If Harper pans out he makes Earl obsolete
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 13, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
read from the sentinel..
Glen “Big Baby” Davis didn’t waste any time trying to fit in with his new team.
On Tuesday, after his first Orlando Magic practice, Davis started talking as his teammates and coaches huddled at midcourt. He told the rookies to look up the word “family” in the dictionary and prepare to make a presentation about it before the next workout.
“It sets the tone for the year, and it’s a motto that we have to live by,” Davis said.
“We’ve always got to protect each other. You know families. A family’s going to get into arguments, a family’s going to get into fights. But they’re going to be there for each other,” he said.
isnt this great? damn. i like this trade.
Missing Dwight already..
by bimbim3000 on Dec 13, 2011 9:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
yea yea..
everyone was killin em for trading bass.. i like stealing davis from boston and wafer. davis has the experience of winning a championship is the difference.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
Passion is so underrated
Our problem is we have so many lethargic players. Nelson, Hedo, J-RichRyan… they all play like they rolled out of bed 5 minutes b4 tip off
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 13, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
All i have heard about clark is that denver had interest, like my earlier post we dont NEED him, i think it would be pretty bad sign to be honest.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
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