NBA Rumors: Glen Davis, Von Wafer Trade to Orlando Magic Delayed by FIBA Paperwork
by Evan Dunlap on Dec 11, 2011 7:10 PM EST
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The NBA season tips off two weeks from Sunday, but new Orlando Magic acquisitions Glen Davis and Von Wafer have yet to practice with the team, owing to FIBA, basketball's governing body, needing to clear Wafer, reports Josh Robbins of the Orlando Sentinel.
Once FIBA clears Wafer, Orlando can officially trade Brandon Bass to the Boston Celtics for him and Davis. The teams reached an agreement on that trade Friday, according to multiple reports. Davis will join the Magic on a four-year contract worth $26 million, while Wafer will sign a small, three-year deal with team options on the second and third years.
Wafer, a five-year NBA veteran, signed with Vanolli-Braga Cremona in August during the NBA lockout. In nine games with the club, he led it in scoring, averaging 20.1 points per game on 57.8 percent shooting.
Davis is clearly the centerpiece of the trade, but obtaining Wafer at a low cost is a low-risk move for Orlando, which needs more dynamic scoring options off its bench. However, attempting to acquire Wafer has also prevented either player from practicing to date, and has also kept Bass out of Celtics practice.
Orlando's annual Media Day is scheduled for Monday. If FIBA has yet to process Wafer's paperwork by then, neither he nor Davis will be able to meet the press at that time.
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Practice, we're talking about practice?
Come on FIBA, get on it. I’d imagine the teams with the most continuity would benefit most from the short training camp. So it’s important for us to get the new guys up to speed.
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by cgsimone on Dec 11, 2011 7:42 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I
Heard Davis already threw a fit in OIA…I joke I joke. Welcome aboard
by DaytonaJim00 on Dec 11, 2011 7:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It was cold at the vault today, I just got home to orlando a few minutes ago. Nice to finally beat up on someone
by Randall1178 on Dec 11, 2011 9:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Very cold and wet
And yes…….yes …..finally Gabbs and the O got it together
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 12, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Wafer balled out over seas
Was competition really that crappy or is he a great scorer, his FG% was very high as well but i just dont know much about him
He is a 'Nole
So I believe in him. Lol. Seriously though, he played great in Houston for a stretch. Maybe SVG can get the best out of him.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
ya or
,aybe hell turn him into peaches
raking
Hopefully the deal falls through because of this. Big Baby at $26 million (compared to Bass at $4 million) is a travesty
by ap3604 on Dec 11, 2011 8:48 PM EST reply actions
Baby does not get $26 mil a year.
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." -Wilt Chamberlin
by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 11, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
I'm talking about total salary owed :-P
Brandon Bass = $4 million (and will opt out next yr)
Big Baby = $26 million (YUCK!)
by ap3604 on Dec 11, 2011 9:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Way to go Otis.
Brian Windhorst: In Orlando, just finished talking with Dwight Howard. Said trade demand stemmed from team not acting on his personnel suggestions
I've heard this from several places
I would have to hear what suggestions he ignored before I’ll come down on Otis for this. We’ve seen Howard’s wish list of people, it’s not like the ones he was asking for were easy to get.
There’s also been reports that something happened this summer which turned Howard…..with the league under lockout I’d like to know how management could have done something to piss him off since they couldn’t make moves or even have contact with him.
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Dwight wants to keep Gilbert????
Makes you wonder about D12’s basketball intellect.
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 11, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly why I said I would like to hear what he's upset didn't happen first.
If the gripes are legit then I’ll be the first to want to burn Otis at the stake like everyone else, but if I hear a bunch of things like when he said he was upset we cut gil…..then I just don’t know if I can blame Otis.
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Apparently Gil wants to land on the same team where DH will be traded.
So maybe they have a very good relationship together.
As opposed to Otis' basketball intellect?
I’ve said it before, but it made zero sense to Amnesty him before the season. You’re gonna pay him regardless, why not wait til the end of the year?
by JeffShann3 on Dec 11, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought they had to do it now...
I read it had something to do with getting below the luxury-tax line to facilitate trades in some way.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 11, 2011 11:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If they did it just to facilitate the Baby trade
Thats some asinine mo—-oh thats right, we’re talking about Otis Smith.
#FIreOtis
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by JeffShann3 on Dec 11, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
lol I actually tried to go to fireotis.com
I’m surprised someone hasn’t set that up yet.
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Same guy who owns StayDwight.com owns FireOtis.com
I tried to buy it in a drunken rage last night, already gone. Found out today that guy bought it awhile ago.
I find that one hard to believe.
If there was any hint Dwight really wanted Arenas that much, Otis would’ve never amnestied him, because, let’s face it, no matter how much Dwight likes Gilbert, Otis is Agent Zero’s #1 fan.
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by North of the South on Dec 12, 2011 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
Dwight told reporters during interviews he didn't think we should have gotten rid of Gil
I have a strong feeling though that Rich Devos told management he wasn’t paying a massive luxury tax bill for a barely played and odds are washed up Arenas, especially after taking a hit with losing part of the season.
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 12, 2011 5:19 AM EST up reply actions
that awas at north of the south message LOL thats funny
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 12, 2011 5:20 AM EST up reply actions
I agree.
It’s as simple as either: 1) “We won’t let the players dictate our moves” … and lose Dwight; or 2) “We would be courteous to explain moves to Dwight” … so that – at least – a soft landing is guaranteed.
Otis Smith chooses not only item #1 but trumpets it to the whole world. As a result, we would end up losing Dwight because we have a – supposedly – “principled” yet “foolish” man as GM.
by Matt1325 on Dec 12, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I truly believe that Howard asked for Van Gundy to be fired
That was the thing thats DIDNT happen this summer
Uh, he did though.
Howard asked for Davis by name. Maybe he was referring to a tree demand before the Davis deal went down?
Considering the speed of all the moving pieces, it’s really tough to get a clear picture.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 11, 2011 9:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
*Trade, not tree. Lol, autocorrect!
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 11, 2011 9:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
see that's my thing too, I'm wondering if Howard doesn't think like some fans do, like it's easy to pull off trades and stuff.
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Here is another one.
Brian Windhorst: Howard said he made suggestions on trades/signings for years that were ignored. Said he currently has no relationship w/ GM Otis Smith
Forget Dwight as a play. Annoint him as GM!!!
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Dec 11, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Well we had Tree Rollins as a player/coach, wth lets try out a player/GM
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Ugh, I just want them to start playing.
With the additions of Davis and Wafer, bringing in Hughes for a decent backup PG, and good prospects in Liggins/Harper, I feel like once they start playing things will feel much less crazy. Heck, word is that Hedo seems back in ‘09 form…which if that’s even partly true would be great.
If this team, as is, comes out playing great…the whole conversation changes.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 11, 2011 9:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
This has taken forever and since the last court time was the awful Atlanta series, all of the negatives are magnified by about a billion.
Of course, now that the trade request is out there, it’s going to be a circus on the court, too.
Still, play ball already.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
On the court they'll be fine, they're all pros.
Especially since Howard doesn’t seem like the kind of guy who’ll lay down just because there’s drama off the court. He LOVES to play, and he pushes himself for reasons outside of getting a better contract or trade deal. If he plays to win, everyone else will follow.
The hardest part is preparing to play while all this madness is going on. I still think the talent on this team is a combination that can win — and we’ll see if that’s the case or not. But if they can prepare and show up once the season starts…well a great first dozen games or so will change the tone off the court more than anything short of a signed contract.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 12, 2011 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
I worded that poorly
I didn’t mean the players would be a circus, I really meant fans in the stands. If Dwight is really conflicted and open to staying (as it increasingly seems he is), I worry about negative fan reaction (i.e. big time booing and harassment) would close what tiny window might be left open.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
by EnnBee on Dec 12, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
At this point
I just want less drama from DH and Otis.
by isum on Dec 11, 2011 9:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Seriously.
Maybe it’s time for the owners to get Howard and Otis in a room to hash things out. If there’s going to be a solution, then they really need to be on the same — even if it’s begrudgingly.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 11, 2011 9:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah
Dwight sounds legit, but then Otis says he spoken to Dwight and consulted Dwight. Who is lying? Did we not get Baby? Honestly Dwight seems so effing confused. His heart screams Orlando. His eyes and ears say big market. He seems so honest but then hypocritical all at the same time. He literally has no idea. He also played his hand if anyone noticed. He said if he is here for five years then he is here. Uh Dwight is not turning down $30 or $40 million. Play chicken and hold onto him. He is gonna play hard. He doesn’t know how not to. I know I keep changing opinion but this is just as fluid as Dwight is. And he slipped tonight. He is not gonna turn down the money he can make here. Keep him. And hope Phoenix gets desperate.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
by Mateo9399 on Dec 11, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I mean...it's not an easy decision for anyone.
Evan RTd something on twitter that made a lot of sense. The gist was that management (Otis and Owners) need to balance the message to Howard between “We hear you” and “You’re not GM”….but right now the “we hear you” portion is more important.
That’s why they need to get in a room.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 11, 2011 10:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
That was me.
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 11, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am kinda leaning towards the play chicken with him as well
the only team that he’s interested in that’s in postion to be under the cap at the end of the year are the Nets, and if we make it clear we aren’t shipping him there or just ignore them and make it look like we are going to deal with only the Lakers, then they are going to blow that cap space by signing NeNe. At that point Howards gonna have to decide to keep trying in Orlando or take a massive pay cut to go else where.
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Actually I take that back about the Nets being the only one, think Dallas will be too. So maybe not as good an idea as it first seemed to me. (depending on what they do this off season)
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I noticed it too.
I had to rewind it when he said “… or whether I’m here in 5 seasons.” I didn’t even know him staying was even in the realm of possibility at this point. Interesting. Also, I would hope that management is spending time trying to field a team that Dwight WANTS to play for as opposed to spending time trying to corner Dwight into staying even if he doesn’t want to. I definitely wouldn’t be in a rush to trade him (as a matter of fact, let him play a few weeks with his new teammates and THEN make him say he wants a trade), but I just hope management doesn’t really try to play hardball with the guy. I think he deserves better than that.
by GradSchoolNole on Dec 12, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
I agree..
Dwight has busted his butt for us for 7 years. He’s gone from a tall lanky skinny kid to a full grown beast of a man whose done nothing but improve his game every year. Otis has had 7 years to work with Dwight to put a winning team around him..and frankly, although he has “tried”, it hasn’t happened. Don’t play hardball with him…if he wants out to have a better chance at getting a ring..I definitely think we owe him that..
by shaymac on Dec 12, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It wasnt too long ago that the Dallas Mavs were never gonna win a title.
As in during last year people said they had no chance. I think the magic should try and make a run. Boston is semi salary dumping for next season. Hawks are losing Crawford. I still think Orlando matches up good with the Bulls. And they signed a bunch of wings to throw at LeBron and Wade. And hopefully Anderson FINALLY starts. Maybe they have the mentality, “Freak it, if Dirk can win 1,000 year old JKidd, and Carlos Arroyo HD, and Tyson Chandler, and other old guys why can’t we win with the best player in the game?”. Maybe SVG coaches better. Who knows?
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
not to imply SVG is a bad coach
Everyone knows I’m a SVG guy. Meant it more as everyone lifts their game up.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
After last year, I don't want Otis to talk to anyone in PHX management.
Someone there must have some dirt on Otis or something, based on how bad he got fleeced.
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here's what i think
Sign billups, go after rip, and trade jameer and one of our two’s to Philly for iggy
rip off the bench,
Running through Dwight and Davis screens, I don’t see how any other teams 2 could guard it. Plus we get him cheap. It sounds like Dwight just wants good players according to what I just read on the sentinal.
Rip going to Chicago on a 2 yr deal.
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 11, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Can Von Wafer Play Pg?
Cuz I would rather have him play over POOHON ANY DAY!!!
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 12, 2011 5:29 AM EST reply actions
Nets fan here Some inside on Brook Lopez
It seems like otis is not interested in lopez and i dont understand why, he already is a dominant big man and he is only 23 years old and his rebounding numbers were down due to the fact that he had some illness last year but he was a 8 rebpg guy in his rookie year and 9 his secong year. He averages 20ppg and is consistanly doubled and tripled team and still has a 51% fg. His defense is decent he avarages 1.7 bbpg for his career and avaraged 2.0 bppg his rookie year. This summer he trained and worked out with the dream and i expect lopez to average 25 ppg this season and 9rpg(looked much stronder in camp) and make the all star team.
I m not saying lopez will give you equel value in return but he is as close as it gets to getting equel value and he never missed a game in his career that is 3 season without missing a game
I dont think you guys would be thrilled just not trading him at all. Will probably end up like Cleverland if that is the case.
I'd rather have Dwight for just this year and make one more run
than make the NJ trade. It is a terrible deal. Not even close to enough. Your 2 picks are near worthless, and you think we’d be happy swapping Dwight for Lopez? No thanks. Like I said, I’d rather take one more shot with Dwight and let him walk at the end of the season.
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 12, 2011 8:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
fine lol what makes you think he will play his heart out if you if after all he has done to this franchize at the end they cause him 40 million
and he will leave at the end and we could have both i would love that more then anything and the sad thing about the team after howard leaves is the fact that u guys wont rebuild and will just be an avarage team
if i were the magics i would tank this season and get the first pick of this supper draft and get another superstar
but thats t late u guys alrady made sooo many dumb move…big baby… really … richardson is old… wafer….who is that lol
u guys reallly need a new gm
If you were the 'magics' you'd tank a season we don't have our own draft pick for?
You’d be worse than Otis.
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 12, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"If I was the magics I woud tank this season and get the first pick of this supper draft..."
So who would you select first? filet mignon w/ a side of garlic mashed potatoes and a ceasar salad? How about chicken parmesean with linguini in a white sauce? Oooohhhh or maybe Lobster Ravioli?
The possibilities are endless in this 2012 Supper Draft.
then why dont you stay with him?
Cheaper then Dwight plus he doesnt come with Turk, Q, and Duhon. Plus you keep Marshon Brooks. If I’m new jersey Dwight is not worth it. ;)
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by Mateo9399 on Dec 12, 2011 8:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's obviously a beast
NJ should be demanding we throw in first round picks if they’re going to be forced to take Dwight over that beast Lopez.
Yugly.
Hey, Otis threw in a first round pick and cash...
To take J-Rich and Hedo off PHX’s hands.
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Hey aakks
We do have our 2012 draft pick. The pick we sent to PHX was for this last draft. Nikola Mirotic drafted by the Rockets. So at least you don’t have to worry about disaster striking and PHX getting a high pick from us.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 12, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I made the same mistake a few days ago.
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iF Otis doesnt want lopez at all then heres a 3 team trade
Orlando gets: Josh Smith, 3 first round draft picks on 2012 draft
Nets gets: Dwight, Hedo
Atlanta gets: brook lopez, farmar, damien james
the 3 first round picks for the 2012 will come from
Nets own pick
Atlantas own pick unprotected
rockets protected 13th or lower for 2012 pick
you guys will have 4 first round in picks and a super talented draft can u ask for anything better?
LOL to all your trades
give me gasol and bynum anyday over lopez and smith
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 12, 2011 7:52 AM EST up reply actions
well dwight is gone either to the lakers or the nets he is gone
you just have to face reality u not getting nothing close to dwight in return orlando had their chance with him and they screwed themselves up and as u could see they never listened to what he wanted and now he is gone one way or another. It sucks you guys have to through this and i understand i m jets fan and we havent won nothing since 1969 i wasnt even alive back then lol
Nah I'll take my chances he won't pass up almost $40 mil
See, you are just a Nets fan who wants to take advantage of us. Then you get all hurt when we don’t want your garbage for the best player in the NBA.
Give us Lopez, Deron, and 2 picks and we’ll talk.
Yugly.
First of all why would i want to take advantage of u guys lmaoo i m just giving you information that u guys are being ingorant about
and dwight will make 40 million a year here by marketing alone and we have the richest owner in the nba he could give howard an island for all the sake ofand he will also become global if he comes to brooklyn…..and also after all the things he has said in the interview u guys still think there is a chance of him staying….he has requested a trade lmaooo do u understandwhat that means
I have no illusions about how small a chance we have of keeping Dwight
and I still don’t want your teams garbage.
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 12, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Just a FYI piece on something your being ignorant about
Your owner’s afluency level has no baring on this situation, really. Our owner is pretty damn rich himself and Prok can’t give Howard compensation outside of his actual salary, so he can’t give him an island.
Meh, so he missed a dunk, I've seen Howard and countless others do that.
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by malenko on Dec 12, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So you think moves like this will make us championship contenders?
I know what you’re trying to say, but my point is, there are better options out there.
He's simply a guy that adds some depth which will be important in this compact season.
You’re not going to find many people as cheap and with a contract that runs a few years but is not guaranteed after the first. Besides, he was doing pretty damn well in Italy.
Does he make us instant champions, no, not by a longshot, but I do think he’s a very solid pickup.
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by malenko on Dec 13, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Chris Broussard: Nets will attempt to sign Arenas if they able to trade for Dwight Howard, source says Twitter
by bimbim3000 on Dec 12, 2011 10:31 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I absolutely love that Arenas is being used as a lure for Dwight.
How hilarious is that? Is this real life? Where am I?
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
The overwhelming fact is otis smith needs to leave.
Looking at Dwight’s interview on sunday, it really is on otis, the all-star player who you want to keep asks for some transactions that at one time we had the trade assests to make and he goes and trades them for HEDO AND J-RICH when Josh Smith, Andre Igoudala and Monta ellis as well as CP3 are sitting on a trade block? Come on. FIRE EM’
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
by dunkface94 on Dec 12, 2011 11:59 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
You have to remember that at the time we made those trades we were playing terribly.
Teams were interested in our assets but at the time we were seen as greatly declining. I’m not completely defending Otis but sometimes a trade works mathematically but other GMs just don’t want to make them. There are intangibles involved in every trade.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
I agree with you but...
dwight did not say, I JUST WANNA PLAY WITH CP3 get him here, he had a list of players that would be a good fit, and looking at it, i agree that we need a player like Monta or A.I. or Josh Smith in Orlando. I have heard of the deals that other times are making for good talent and its a shame how other GM’s wheel and deal while we are stuck with this level of talent. All i can say is if Otis doesnt see the light, we have no chance of keeping dwight.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
How do you know Orlando hasn't tried to get any of them?
Those guys have supposedly been on the trade block for at least 3 years (if not more) … and yet they are still on their original teams?
If they are so “available” why has no other team been able to get them?
All the other GMs must be as bad as Otis Smith I guess.
yea i guess.
but to me it seems fishy, my point is that dwight has said he wants them, in an interview he says that he has told people to come here, if it was all but done they would be here, otis pulled the trigger on those to horrid trades last year. We know he is willing to wheel and deal. The problem resides with otis and dwight. And dwight has openly said that.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
Big baby looks a little slimmer at media day
Or maybe it’s just cause he’s
In a magic uniform that makes him look better
by Vanek on Dec 12, 2011 12:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Nah man. I remember being shocked that he looked pretty slim on Jimmy Kimmel Live during the Finals
It made me wonder if the dude is actually pretty slim by normal standards but all of the ultra-slim basketball players around him just makes him look fat or if he has lost weight.
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
I saw it mentioned recently in a comment that he'd lost 25 (45?) pounds.
I tried to search google for any kind of corroborating mention in a news story (or even a blog) but could find no such thing. He does look slimmer to me, though.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
Alex Martin @ media day says
“I do believe that Dwight will re-sign with this organization, I truly believe that.”
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by malenko on Dec 12, 2011 12:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
He just said that?
Dwight has seemed conflicted imo. I really do think he would stay if the front office got it’s act together. I have seen nothing to indicate they have though. I sure hope we’re working on a big move other than trading Dwight.
Yugly.
a trade will save us.
that is all i can say, we gotta bring in some sort of talent to keep dwight, looking at media day, these guys wont cut it. Big baby and Harper look good.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
by dunkface94 on Dec 12, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Stan apparently has been raving over Liggins as well
SVG- “DeAndre Liggins is a very tough, very competitive dude, he’s going to go out and defend and work. He’s got a long way to go and a lot to learn, but I figured that out quick watching him. He’s going to compete”
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Awesome to hear
Speaking of which, as much as I’ve missed basketball, I’ve missed SVG post game press conferences and interviews in general.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
might be a chance of this if Otis is canned. Get a new GM.
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by Ahillock on Dec 12, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL@this clippers-NOLA trade
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Dec 12, 2011 12:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Is Gordon part of this or not?
Everything I read is unsure, or the articles conflict with each other about this.
Yugly.
I think so
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
It would be
Gordon, Aminu, Kaman, Bledsoe, 1st round pick- I believe
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
that is pretty much giving up the team. I dont like this trade for LA for NOLA its the best they will get
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
The Clippers will still be the Clippers- meaning exactly where they were last year.
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
They're going all in for Griffin/Paul
I can’t say I blame them. I’d do it in a heartbeat to keep Dwight if we could.
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 12, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I read that the Clips said they could have Gordon or the 1st round pick, not both.
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Clips deal may be falling apart as well now...
Apparently, Clippers are balking at NBAs high asking price.
"@WindhorstESPN: Magic CEO Alex Martins met with Dwight Howard this morning. Said team remains optimistic they will be able to convince Howard to re-sign."
Missing Dwight already..
Bear in mind that Alex Martins is a PR guy by trade
It really makes me optimistic, but it is tough to trust in a PR person because it is their job to paint a rosy picture no matter what.
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
It seems to me that Otis Smith has lost all his leverage with Dwight. All Alex Martins needs to do is to provide a plan of future improvements to Dwight, then follow through with or without Otis as GM.
by Matt1325 on Dec 12, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Without please
I really think last year was the year we should have been moving towards a rebuild (with Dwight). Instead Otis decided the Cleveland route of flailing for anything he could get to put alongside Dwight was a good idea.
Yugly.
So...
Is this the real reason we haven’t signed the new guys, or is the Magic saying why in the hell would we want Baby if Dwight isn’t signing an extension?
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its weird to me
big baby to me is a good pick up i like his grit and attitude towards defense. i like alex martins taking the lead and leaving otis behind. But then i dont because even with all the speculation alex makes it seems like butterflies and roses.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
It would be ironic and bittersweet
If after all is said and done, if Dwight must leave, he goes to play for the Clippers and turns the Lakers into the secondary team for awhile. The Clippers owner doesn’t deserve it, but the Lakers and their fans sure could use all of that humble pie.
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He actually does look like he's lost a lot of weight
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He's been losing weight progressively for a few seasons now.
And to think he’s always been pretty fleet-footed regardless.
Follow me @worldwidemaldo.
That's been one of his biggest pros
He is very nimble for a big guy. Hopefully taking off the weight will improve that even further.
Yugly.
o.O
Can he still play some 5…? Backup center minutes…‼ Where are all of the backup center minutes going!?
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 12, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
He's 2" taller than Bass (and 1" shorter than Dwight)
So, yeah, he can play backup center. It would be tough against 7 footers, but that’s always the case after getting rid of Gortat.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
I honestly can't tell who that is
/face blind
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 12, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
it's kinda hard without the baby fat
I actually had to make sure it was him at first too.
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that's Big Baby?!
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?!
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 12, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
lol that was pretty much my reaction
I was like……#11 that’s Davis….no that can’t be him….(stare a little longer)….it sure does look alot like him.
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there's no way
I can’t believe it. This boggles me. I am boggled.
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 12, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
We only got half of him in the trade
Boston should throw in a draft pick.
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 12, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Looks like a good 75-100lbs difference
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Maybe it just has something to do with Boston
Perkin’s has apparently lost like 40 lbs as well
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Gotta' love a good frappe in Boston
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from Dunkin' Donuts, of course
I miss their hot chocolate ;_;
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 12, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
JP Licks FTW!
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
What a shame. Home made ice cream and a few stores throughout Boston
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
I don't remember seeing them :(
I went to the North End a number of times, though, to those candy shops whose names escape me.
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 12, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Michaels or something? Emack and Bolio's is popular, but not a fan.
JP Licks started in JP (duh), but had spots in Brookline and Cambridge, too. Probably the North End, but I’m not sure. http://www.jplicks.com/
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I think the name was Michael's or Mike's
I lived on Boylston across from the Prue, and I never made it around as much as I would’ve liked to.
You know…that name is coming back to me. There was an ice cream place located on Newbury…
I just looked it up and there is a JP Licks on Newbury new the Best Buy! :D OMG I have gone there. You’re right, their ice cream was AMAZINGGG. I usually got the cookies and cream in a cone.
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 12, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I lived in JP and had too much of all of the flavors (at least I walked there)
Their peppermint during the holidays, though, holds a special place in my memories.
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I love peppermint ice cream *_*
it was always too cold for me to eat ice cream in the winter, though, lol
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 12, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Compared to the other picture, he looks like a big ol silver back gorilla in this one!
by Justin85 on Dec 12, 2011 4:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
WTF! His size was an advantage for him.. now he just looks like a small PF
God damm*t!
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 12, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
he lost a lot of fat
but his muscle is still there, which is what’s more important. Besides, now we don’t have to worry about him dropping dead in the middle of the court anymore.
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 12, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Unless he runs into Dwight's elbow again (which seems more likely being on the same team now)
That was a scary moment in the playoffs.
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
if by scary you mean ~hilarious~
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 12, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Only hilarious in hindsight.
It was serious at the moment.
…but now…so incredibly hilarious.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
F = ma
Fat and weight in general helps a player hold his ground. Because that is extra weight that the other player has to be strong enough to move. He will be easier to push around under the basket now. This is due to the law of inertia.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 12, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
but isn't muscle heavier than fat?
if he keeps juicing pumping iron than he can make up for the difference in the amount of fat weight he lost.
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 12, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
True.
And plan B is that if he starts getting pushed around a lot you take him out for ice cream. Problem solved.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 12, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
lol I can get behind that plan
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 12, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
This is all funny and all but now Davis is gonna get pushed around on the block
so much for counting on him to be our backup center.. I’m pissed at this
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 12, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
last time I checked Howard wasn't fat and he seems to have no problem
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Hoawrd also happens to be 6'11 and has freakish athleticism..
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 12, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Glen Davis is a whopping 2 inches shorter and 20 pounds heavier
He’ll be fine.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
Why do you people think Shaq and Rasheed Wallace can push a guy like Dwight around with all his muscles?
Weight matters. Especially for a player that doesnt have athleticism or size. But since you say
He’ll be fine.I’ll take your word on that
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 12, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Shaq was huge. He knew how to push his weight around
He wasn’t healthy though and couldn’t stay on the floor. Also Dwight could maneuver around him on offense which is what Davis could do to some of the bigger guys. And I don’t remember Rasheed pushing Dwight around all that often.
EAT ME
I don't think Davis
being too small will ever be a bad thing for Orlando.
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by Eric9321 on Dec 13, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You would be surprised.
Dwight can get pushed a little. He has really thin legs and doesn’t have a base as wide as say Kevin Love. His upper body is freaking Herculean, but his legs are a little thin. It is why Gasol and Bynum hammered him in the Finals. Why some players succeed against him.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
He can add that weight back in muscle now
Our strength coach is good and if he just does the same routine With Dwigh its a win win
"@AlexKennedyNBA: Dwight Howard said that he can still see himself in Orlando long term, but only if "a lot of things change.""
Missing Dwight already..
To my mind, that is *clearly what Dwight has been saying.
Otis Smith has to go. Period.
By itself, it will not be enough, but without it, nothing is enough.
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by EnnBee on Dec 12, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope this is true and not just Howard saying it in some kind of PR move.
I’m sick of the rollercoaster ride, I’d much rather hear him say “I’m sorry Orlando, you blew it and have no chance of me staying here” then to keep tugging at fans heartstrings just so he can say he gave us a chance (even though there wasn’t one) just so he doesn’t look as bad in public.
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Sounds good
Now hopefully Otis heard the same thing and makes a move NOW. He’d be dumb not to.
Here's actually a little more from Howard from Brian Schmitz
“As of right now, I have on a Magic uniform. Right? So I’m with nobody else, and that’s the only thing that matters. And if it’s meant for me to stay here, then I’ll stay. And I love this city. There’s no place I’d rather be but here in Orlando. And I just want to make sure that we have the right things here so we can win a championship. “And I’m all about change. If you’re willing to change and you’re willing to do what it takes to win, then, you know, you’ve got me. And if you’re not willing to do what it takes to win, I don’t think anybody here would question anybody’s motives if you want to stay in the same position you are.”
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by malenko on Dec 12, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You know what, I love that comment
That is exactly the attitude I want to hear out of him. Now the front office needs to do its damn job and put a good plan together and sell it to Dwight – even if it is a 2 year plan.
Yugly.
EXACTLY...love this comment
The guy wants to be in Orlando…he just wants some help
It seems as though Otis' pride is getting in the way.
He doesn’t want to be bossed around by a player. His pride might lose him his job.
Oderint dum metuant
Something should
I would have thought the $100 million dollars in salaries he’s blown through for nothing, but if it’s pride that does it, so be it.
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by EnnBee on Dec 12, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't understand why the front office is so committed to Otis.
If it takes losing one of the top two players in the franchise’s history for him to lose his job, then the front office should be at fault as well.
Oderint dum metuant
You hit the nail on the head...
That’s exactly what it is
ESPN REPORTING:
Chris Broussard confirmed today that: “Dwight has expressed a serious love for Cuban sandwiches, indicating a strong desire to either stay in Orlando or force a trade to Miami.”
That’s how stupid this is getting.
BTW-If anyone knows where I can get a decent Cuban sandwich in north Texas, I’d love to hear about it.
I don't get the whole 'pop-tart cats pooping rainbows thing,' but then, I'm old. So, there it is.
Chris Broussard
is a wanker
In O'Ventbrel We Trust
ALL GLORY TO THFC
VICK-VICK-VICKADELPHIA
I believe in MAGIC
Sold my Soul to the Devils
by NJoverNY on Dec 12, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually...
This is clearly a sign that Dwight wants to go to Dallas . . . or some kind of strange wooing of the Mavericks owner through a media day interview.
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
No. Seriously. I live in North Dallas and I really want a Cuban sandwich.
I don't get the whole 'pop-tart cats pooping rainbows thing,' but then, I'm old. So, there it is.
http://local.yahoo.com/TX/Dallas/Food+Dining/Restaurants/Cuban+Restaurants
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
I am imagining a synthesis of Van Gundy and Gumby now, and it's really cool. Thanks.
I don't get the whole 'pop-tart cats pooping rainbows thing,' but then, I'm old. So, there it is.
Dwight wants van gundy gone
We need to get rid of van gundy and hopefully Alex martins realizes this and somethin wil be announced asP
by Vanek on Dec 12, 2011 2:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
why do people keep blaming Stan?
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 12, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don't blame him at all
I’d fire SVG to keep Dwight though, if he was willing to sign on the spot. I’d rather keep both.
On the other hand, if we have to rebuild I don’t want anybody besides SVG.
Although SVG did use Arenas wrong. He let him off the bench.
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 12, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Yeah, I was about to rip aakks a new one until I got what he meant
Then I chuckled.
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
"@WindhorstESPN: There was complete change in mood by Magic & Howard today. Could be a front for PR reasons & to up trade value. Or not. We'll see."
Missing Dwight already..
This is exactly what I didn't want from this situation.
Drama. I just want to have a basketball team to root for. I almost don’t care if they suck. I’ve been rooting for the Magic since I was 5 years old and it never really mattered that they were bad. But this drama is awful. The last time I remember it feeling like this was when they forced out Brian Hill.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
I remember hating how Brian Hill was ousted that first time
But then watching him coach the team the second time around, I was starting to understand why the players might have rebelled against him.
I’m not condoning what happened, but still.
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
"Alex Kennedy: Glen Davis joked that he'll keep Dwight Howard in Orlando. He said he'll discuss the situation with Dwight over "tea and crumpets." Twitter
lol.
Missing Dwight already..
You know, I've been talking crap about Davis since we signed him.
That ends now. He’s an O-Town player and he has my support.
Plus that’s just hilarious.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
I keep saying this, but when he was on Jimmy Kimmel, he nailed it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl-4KZ_JZyc
My only concern from this clip is that it is clear that Glen needs to work on his free throw shooting (if pop-a-shot is an indication of basketball skills).
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
If it were that busboy would be a max contract player
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 12, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
According to Steve Kyler on twitter.
“Alex Martin met with Dwight and assured him what he wants is what they want… in every way.” and that “Magic are committed to seeing this season through with Dwight and are not open to trades involving him for any reason.”
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Excellent
I hope Martins is overruling Otis. Maybe the future isn’t as bleak as it has been looking.
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 12, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope so too, Kyler continues on to say...
“For those hating on Otis Smith… problems in Orlando are not “only” Otis, its an organizational issue — Alex Martin pledges it will change"
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I wouldn't disagree with that at all
I’m still going to hate on Otis Smith though even if I recognize the problems are deeper.
Yugly.
This whole “PR guy puts positive spin on negative happenings in Orlando” story line is not entirely unexpected . . .
I don't get the whole 'pop-tart cats pooping rainbows thing,' but then, I'm old. So, there it is.
No it isn't
Somehow I doubt they’re only spinning right now though. Spinning? Yes. But facing the loss of Howard and these terrible trade offers should have lit a fire under their butts. That Bob VW left says a lot, although I have no idea why Otis is still around too.
Yugly.
I don't think it is just spin, either
Dwight sounds a lot more sincere in his comments today about staying than he did in his comments about going. I truly think he is conflicted and wants to stay, but worries about spinning his wheels in the same place for the next 5 years.
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I don't blame him one bit for that attitude
I also think that’s how he really feels (conflicted). If he is giving us a shot to fix things then what more could we ask of him?
Yugly.
Thank God!!
I’m glad Alex stepped in a talked to him..that’s exactly what needed to happen. The fact that Otis hasn’t talked to Dwight in the last couple days shows his lack of professionalism and we can see now that his pride and ego has been what’s been holding our organization back for years now..its time for him to go..
by shaymac on Dec 12, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think a couple of things have happened here:
1 – Magic brass has realized that going public with conflicting reports was not helpful … I guess Alex Martins would handle the media PR from hereon.
2 – Magic is willing to play the game of chicken with Dwight … we are talking about the loss of a lot of cash if he is not traded soon enough.
3 – And most importantly – although this is a guess – Dwight has realized that he can stay on and sign with the Magic to cash in on a 5-year contract and maximum annual raises. Afterwards, if he decides that he no longer wishes to stay with the Magic, he can force a trade … after all who wants to hang on to a disgruntled super-star whose heart is not with the team that he plays on? The only disadvantage would be that Dwight can’t have the leverage of which team to be traded to.
by Matt1325 on Dec 12, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
One other thought:
Maybe he won’t opt out? Dwight is set to make 19.5 million next season, so why not give it another year and see what happens? Its not like by him opting out he’s going to make more money, and he doesn’t lock himself in to the team for the long-term.
Longshot, I know, just a thought.
After his comments today...
I’m really thinking this is how it might play out. He could just play out this year and still be in the same position next offseason. He doesn’t really lose anything.
The Magic now just have to get him some better pieces.
what did he say today?
i thought the media wasnt allowed to talk to him today
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 13, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
"After meeting with the Orlando Magic's new CEO and talking to new teammate Glen Davis, Dwight Howard seemed to re-open the door to staying with the team. Meanwhile, sources told ESPN.com, the Magic currently are not planning to trade him." ESPN.com
great.
Missing Dwight already..
I don't get it.
A couple of days ago, we told him he could seek a trade. Now, we want to keep him. Were we trying to call his bluff or something?
Oderint dum metuant
A few days ago he was saying he wanted to leave, now he's saying he'll stay if the Magic change a bit.
And with a time deadline to try and trade Howard sooner than later they were letting Howard find the best fit for him, so that we could squeeze the most out of the team he wanted.
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I don't think the front office's stance on whether or not they want to trade him should depend on what Dwight says from day to day.
He has been so back in forth throughout this whole process. They should make a decision and stick to it. The front office looks just as indecisive as he does, and that isn’t a good look when they are the ones in charge.
Oderint dum metuant
The front office has been consistent about not trading him
They gave his agent the option to talk to teams (meaning he could bring a trade to him), but the Magic have never been keen on trading him. At best they said if it came down to it and that was their only option they would investigate, but that’s it.
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I liked that move too
The old “We don’t want to trade this franchise guy, but hey, you go ahead and do all of the work while we sit back and get to say yay or nay” maneuver.
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
To me, it sounds like they are giving mixed signals.
Saying we want to keep him, then saying we don’t want to “placate” him and he can seek a trade, back to saying we want to keep him again.
Oderint dum metuant
The "placate" comment is all Otis Smith and his personal posturing, IMHO
Hence his absence from the scene and conversations with Dwight the past few days.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
Well I hope the front office knows what they are doing.
They need to keep Otis on a leash because he will end up making Dwight leave us with nothing in return a la Cleveland.
Oderint dum metuant
Yes, that was poor semantics from Otis
Though I think his point is essentially correct.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
Confused on what Dwight wants...
If he wants us to pull of a bunch of big roster moves…not going to happen. We don’t have enough to give really. It’s just barely in the realm of possibility.
If he wants changes with Otis/SVG/etc that is a WAY different thing. I hope he is being clear with the team, because it sure isn’t clear to fans/media what he is expecting.
grass isnt always greener
See how he likes Mike Brown. SVG puts his heart into this team just like everyone else. If Dwights no longer in it, then its been real. At least be up front. Why hide behind “there needs to be changes”. No $%&* its a professional sport, it revolves around constant adjustments. We tried and everyone on here was optimistic talking about “we have fire power now”. It didn’t work and everyone’s throwing a shotgun trial and kissing D12s hand. Orlandos my team and Dwights a beast but Cmon dude… don’t insult us. I will be in the Amway for the Finals one way or another one day!
by DaytonaJim00 on Dec 12, 2011 3:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
One thing Dwight says he wants, I totally agree with (and we should be able to get him for the minimum)
According to Marc Stein on Twitter:
One of “changes” Dwight Howard wants is signing of Chauncey. If DH12 stays, sources say he’ll urge Billups to spurn Heat and “anchor” Magic
Once he was amnestied, I thought that would be a great move for the Magic to get him on the cheap. He’s on the downside, but a big guard and seems to be a good locker room guy, too. Oh, and a way better option than Duhon.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
I could live with that...
He’s beat us with a lot of big shots over the years.
Don't remind me
Now just have to wait until 6pm to see if he clears waivers. There is a pretty good chance as his agent made it known publicly that he would retire rather than be claimed by a team where he didn’t have a chance to win.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
Well I'm all for it if it's what Howard wants
Also good to see it reported that Howard will actually help in the process with the comment "he’ll urge Billups to spurn heat. Not saying that Howard hasn’t talked to players in the past about coming, but the only person I can remember that it was reported Howard actually urged to come here was Barnes.
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by malenko on Dec 12, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ohhhh...I like this!!
I’m curious of what you guys think..if Chauncey comes, do you think SVG would start him or have him back up Jameer?
They should fight it out
I guess I would prefer Billups as a backup, but if he is better than Jameer in camp, he should start. Really, it is a win/win situation.
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
Definitely a win/win no matter what!!
Hope it happens!
Billups said he doesn't want to come off the bench
But I’m not sure if that is a deal breaker.
Also, Charlotte is rumored to consider bidding on him before he clears waivers today.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
Geez, I guess this would be a clear indication of our direction
If Chauncey comes to the Magic, Dwight will definitely stay. If he goes to the Heat, Dwight probably leaves.
Let’s just hope that Chauncey has no free will and does what Dwight dictates (you know because Chauncey might actually just want to go to the Heat because he would realistically get more playing time).
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
However, one huge, huge hiccup about Chauncey
Nets could simply just sign him while he is still an amnesty waive. They have until 6pm to do it.
If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer.
Chauncey is a much better option than Duhon
or Arenas for that matter. It would be a definite upgrade at that spot.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
This is true..
but Chauncey has made it clear that he would retire or sit out rather than play for a team that he feels can’t compete..at least if he’s playing with the best big man in the game, he’s got a chance at winning it all..hopefully D12 can convince him..
I hate to say this
but playing for the Heat would probably be a much better situation for him. But as you say, the most dominant big man is here in Orlando.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
Hey quick question..
Don’t the teams bid on amnestied players? So if the Magic are the highest bidder..we get him no matter what, right?
Only teams under the cap can bid
We aren’t, but that only matters until 6pm. After that, it’s open game.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
Billups would definitely be starting, even at 35 he's better than Nelson
Last year on John Hollingers stat. rating he was 10th best Point Guard in NBA, Nelson was 28th…
Billups (6-3 210) vs Nelson (5-10 180):
True Shooting % = .617 vs .548
PER = 18.78 vs 15.47
Def rating= 111 vs 104
3pt% >= .402 vs .401
Assist per game/36m = 6.0 vs 7.1
Pass Rating = 9.5 vs 9.1
Hands (turnover/ball handling) = 21.7 vs 18.8
by MagicLA on Dec 12, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good point.
I honestly had checked to keep up with how he’d been doing. I’m in.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
Billups would absolutely be the starter, yes.
But, obviously, that’s a non-issue now that the Clippers have him.
Awesome!
Get rid of duhon and clear space for a one-year deal for chauncey. I’ve always been a fan of Mr.Big shot. And @shaymac: START EM’
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
that would be a stretch with loyalty to jameer but hey gotta do what ya gotta do. and
@funny80sguy: chauncey has said if he is claimed off waivers to a team that is not a immediate winner he will retire. Why would the nets sign him? Lure howard? Magic committed to keep him this year is what im hearing from sources.
@jBen05: 2 words: Dwight Howard
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
2 words: Shut up.
MAN not everyone can go to the heat. They can… but really? With chalmers,wade,lebron how much time can he run the point? Here all he has to do is sit behind jameer or hey even earn a starting spot in camp.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
So hostile...
Didn’t you know? That’s where everyone goes to get a ring. I would like him to come here, but Miami has a lot going for them. We, on the other hand, don’t other than Dwight.
Oderint dum metuant
Don't discount Jameer's and Hedo's charisma
Those guys are crack-ups.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
but unlike most people that run to the heat
Billups already has gotten a ring, it’s not the end all be all for him.
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Why would they do it?
It’s a chess match. They want Dwight; an indication for Dwight to stay in Orlando is for the Magic to sign Billups . . . the Nets have it in their power to block that particular play.
If they have money to spare, why wouldn’t they do it? Even if Billups retire, he cannot go anywhere else. It’s a block to Orlando.
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
Yeah, Russians aren't known for being good at chess
Oh wait . . . they are. CRAP!
I should really change my signature because this one no longer applies: "If the Magic must trade Dwight to the Lakers, the trade better include Gilbert Arenas as well. I want the Lakers to suffer."
darn it.
well its a personnel gamble that the nets really dont need to make.. i mean they got their point guard and he aint gettin picked up off waivers so he would have to choose to their out right. also miami that i have seen hasnt even mentioned chauncey. their rep just speaks for itself. I dont see dwight asking him to come and him saying no.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
The Nets would be the ones to claim Billups off the waivers
So, Billups only option would be to play there (as a backup to Williams presumably) or retire.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
How does one "get rid of Duhon"?
We would have to trade him with someone else that people want. That would probably mean Ryno and that would be bad.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
Anderson & Redick are gone
They are the only two players on the Magic that have any value and Otis has been stockpiling players at their positions.
There’s no way the Magic keep Richardson, Redick, Hughes, Wafer, and Liggins on the roster to split time at SG 5-ways.
Anderson also might be in trouble if the Magic are as high on Harper as they seem to be. Since Anderson is now their absolute most valuable trade asset.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 12, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
It's really impossible to say
I have no idea how valuable other teams find them or which teams specifically have interest.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 12, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Options..
if we sign chauncey which i think our new GM D.Howard will do. Id skip Monta and try and grab Iggy or Josh Smith.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
Iguodala
Iguodala is the one player whose name is flying around that I would love (LOVE) to end up on the Magic.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 12, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he really would fit like a glove.
Which means it can’t happen.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
i dont think
iguoadoala was on the wish list
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 12, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
oh ok
musta missed it.
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 13, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Davis looks ripped..
dayum.. http://yfrog.com/gz9vdzcj
by INTOTHEMEATGRINDER on Dec 12, 2011 5:01 PM EST reply actions
see? nothin' to worry about
also….damn
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 12, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Criminy...
With Davis’ agility + weight loss + his new apparently all spinach diet; the Bass trade is looking pretty good.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 12, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
he looks ripped as hell
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 12, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Bass was ripped
it didnt help him defend. Mass matters in basketball. Dwight with all his muscles couldnt push Davis off his spot due to his low center of gravity and weight. We dont have that now with davis. So stupid
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 12, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Bass was way under-sized
And was just in general a naturally poor defender and rebounder.
Davis being taller might still be able to be an effective defender. It could be troubling because Davis isn’t a naturally great rebounder either…
We will just have to wait and see.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 12, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Because Davis isnt a jumper and I doubt he will suddenly get a 40 inch vertical by losing 30 lbs.
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 12, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Bass also has the personality of a dead fish.
I think that Big Baby’s infectious enthusiasm and emotion are as important as his stature.
The fact that he’s going to try and sway howard to stay using crumpets makes this a good trade pretty much by default.
by aTasteLikeBurning on Dec 12, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I was very happy with this trade when it first happened
Once I found out that he lost all his weight is when we lost it. Right now we are not getting the player that Davis was in Boston. He lost this weight and there is no telling what kind of player he is going to be now on the court
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 12, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Boston was very unhappy with his conditioning troubles.
Arriving slim after the lockout is a good sign…..of course, it was a contract summer for him.
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 13, 2011 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
I get you didn't like the Bass trade
But I don’t see why. Bass was a decent player, but he wasn’t a good fit. He wasn’t a banger or a guy that would bring toughness, which is really what this team needs (yeah Otis, remember Barnes). Plus we got a guy that can actually dribble penetrate on the side. I think this trade was good for both teams, especially if you factor in Dwight’s opinion.
I am made of bits of real panther so you know I'm good.
i swear....
if NJ claims Billups of waivers without really needing him, what a low blow… Right now its a four horse race. Orlando,Miami,NJ(off waivers) and Denver.
IF he gets off waivers it looks good for FL either Miami or Orlando.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
Bobcat's are also thinking about putting in a bid on him before he goes on waivers
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billups will retire if that happens. i have heard that rumor but i think its crap IMO i think the nets would try to just to stick it to orlando. But knowing that orlando would NEVER trade him there. He would have to go during FA. Its 5:11 here so 45 more minutes to wait
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
exactly
he will not play for a LOSING franchise…that means the Nets too…he is gonna choose between us or miami..hopefully dwight can convince him
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 12, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
interesting.
READ THIS:http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_111212.htm scroll down to Orlando and Dwight trade in short term. The writer puts it in a very blunt way about dwights trade scenario.
@supermantotherescue:yes and its a debate as to which, i think dwight will push for him. Bosh came out with a statement but dwight is putting in calls from sources. We will see.
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^sorry wrong link here: http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_111212.html
Otis Smith...............why?.....why?WHY!?!?!?!
im so happy right now
i loved seeing dwight smiling and saying he might stay…LETS GET BIGUPS!! WHOOOOO
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 12, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
im starting to warm up to BIG BABY…he might be a BIG MAN now in orlando
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by supermantotherescue on Dec 12, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
More to like about Glen Davis (he told SVG he prefers that to Big Baby, so...)
From today’s practice report in the Sentinel.
After practice ended, and the team huddled at midcourt, Davis gave the rookies a homework assignment. Davis told them to look up the definition of “family” in the dictionary and be prepared to make a presentation to the team about the meaning of the word Wednesday. “It’s to basically to get it into everybody’s mind what ‘family’ means,” Davis said. “We’ve got to start walking the way for the family atmosphere and trying to change the culture here and making sure that we’re there for each other.”
That is awesome – and not something I can picture Brandon Bass doing.
Another Hall of Fame center on the move just before hitting their peak? The NBA is Big-Market-Tastic!
I'm starting to like this guy more and more everyday.
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by malenko on Dec 13, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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