NBA Rumors: Dwight Howard's Agent Has Permission to Seek Trade to Los Angeles Lakers, New Jersey Nets, Dallas Mavericks
John Denton of the Orlando Magic's official website reports the team has granted Dan Fegan, the agent for superstar center Dwight Howard, permission to talk to three teams regarding potential trades for his star client. Those teams are the Los Angeles Lakers, New Jersey Nets, and Dallas Mavericks. Howard himself may not speak to these teams, but Fegan may on his behalf.
Denton's report clears up confusion late Friday night and early Saturday morning about whether or not the Magic granted that permission. First it was reported Orlando gave Howard the OK to talk to three teams, with New Jersey being one and the identities of the other two unknown. Then Alex Martins, the team's newly promoted CEO, denied that claim. Moments later, it was reported that Otis Smith, the Magic's President of Basketball Operations, did give Howard permission to speak with three clubs. What a mess.
Denton believes this news signals Howard's "days in Orlando seem numbered," but cautions that Howard has changed his mind several times before.
Much more on this situation, including coverage from the Magic's first day of training camp, follows the jump.
Both Howard and the Magic are at a crossroads. Howard can become a free agent in the summer of 2012 and could choose to leave Orlando, which has yet to build a championship-winning team around him. New Jersey will have the necessary salary-cap room to sign him outright, while most of the league's other teams would need to shed salary in order to do so. He has leverage over Orlando because he can, through his agent, make clear which teams he would not consider re-joining in free agency. Those teams, in turn, would not bid on him via trade. He can stay in Orlando or flee to a larger market with more talented teammates.
Orlando's choice is to either keep building around Howard--which could entail making big-time trades and spending freely--or to begin setting the stage for life without him. The Magic have made it abundantly clear in recent days they will not simply let Howard walk away as an unrestricted free agent this summer; if he indicates he has no plans to re-sign with Orlando, Smith will not hesitate to trade him.
Howard's comments during his first media availability session of the young season offered little consolation to Magic fans who don't want him to leave, though he did wear a fitted cap with ORLANDO stitched across the front and an NBA logo on the side. He didn't exactly deny reports that he's spoken with other teams, including an alleged meeting with representatives from the Nets on Thursday night. "I have not had any conversations with anybody," he said. "If my agent has or anybody I'm associated with has, you will have to talk to them."
There was also this exchange between Brian Schmitz and Howard:
"Dwight, can you see yourself staying here the whole season?" the Orlando Sentinel scribe asked.
"Um, well as of right now I'm here. That's the only thing that matters. And that's it."
Howard's availability session ended abruptly after he referred to ESPN reporter Chris Broussard as "Jesus' sister," referencing his perception that fans seem to view Broussard as a conduit for delivering God's words. When Howard concluded answering that question, a Magic communications official said "see you tomorrow, guys," to the media and indicated to Howard he was free to head home.
I'm disinclined to believe Howard has already made up his mind to leave; I think he's conflicted, and his curt answers to certain questions Friday night were more a sign of fatigue--the Magic practiced for over three hours in their return to the floor--and frustration with the line of questioning than with genuine hostility, if that makes any sense. That he went through a Stan Van Gundy practice the day after celebrating his 26th birthday could also have contributed to the tone of his responses.
It's very clear that Howard can expect to hear these questions every day this season. In every city. After practice. Before games. After games. On off days. In one-on-one interviews he grants. He acknowledged it could be a distraction to his teammates, even saying some of them have told him they can't go out in public anymore because fans who recognize them pepper them with questions about Howard's status.
Perhaps Van Gundy summarized Friday's events best. "The NBA today was a three-ring circus and we were in the big top," Orlando's coach said.
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seems like a distant memory now
"Generally, when I draw the play, it's just who's going where. Maybe I have not made it clear enough that we would like the ball to go in the basket."
by AB's triple double on Dec 10, 2011 2:36 AM EST up reply actions
It was awesome back then
I hate how the NBA has become this kind of speculation and rumor hounding lately. Did guys like Charles Barkley and Patrick Ewing get hounded for the final year of their contracts about where there we going because they hadn’t won yet?
It was already tiresome with Lebron, ridiculous with Carmelo, and with Dwight it’s about to turn me off to the whole thing. I even heard Blake Griffen asked about it last year and he had like 3 more years. It’s just so – ugh.
Fingers crossed and beard still growing.
Losing interest in the NBA
It all makes the NBA less appealing. The NBA is becoming a league of a few teams and it’s almost hopeless for a small market to keep a team. I wish they were still locked out, to be honest. I love the Magic, but if we have no chance of keeping big time players, I’ll spend money on other forms of entertainment.
And OKC????
Magic had a horrible GM. Cleveland had a horrible GM. Most small markets have bad GM’s. Get better GM’s.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Lol
If freaking Jermaine O’Neal can get a team David West, why the hell can the Magic not pull off a three team trade to get Iguodala. If Kwame Brown can get Gasol, why does Orlando have difficulty using basically an expiring contract in VC and Gortat and not get something? One answer: EFFING BAD GM.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Yup. Otis is horrible, I don't know how he's still employed.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
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by slickw143 on Dec 10, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'll just repost my thoughts from Magicbasketball.net
This makes no sense to me in any way. If we’re thinking of trading Howard why would we get rid of a trade chip like Bass to bring in Glen Davis? My jaw is on the floor at how stupid the Magic organization looks right now.
As for him talking to teams, I’m glad he’s finally able. Details need to be discussed at length so we don’t make another boneheaded move. This probably means he’s gone but then again players have talked to other teams before during free agency and ended up staying with their organizations. Hell I remember just last season D-Wade was without question supposed to end up in Chicago but then Miami pulled off the deal of the century. I’m not saying we can do anything close to that, but it’s worth thinking about that Dwight can explore his options and still decided to rejoin the Magic.
Either way, I wish the best to Dwight Howard since he has done more for this organization than any single player ever has by a landslide. Of course I want that to continue and for him to stay, but if not I’d like for him to make the best possible decision for him. He should have as few regrets in life as possible. Also if he could go somewhere where we could get some assets back that’d be nice too.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
by cgsimone on Dec 10, 2011 2:41 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Really classy response cgsimone =)
I agree that the Glen Davis trade was complete bull**** though, unless we had indication that it would make a difference in D12 staying with Orlando.
That $ should have gone to Ryan Anderson a year from now. Cannot imagine losing Anderson in a year over giving a scrub like Big Baby 6.5 million per year =(
by ap3604 on Dec 10, 2011 4:05 AM EST up reply actions
Otis is pulling a Cleveland.. filling the roster with Dwight's buddies in order to convince him to staty
it wont work and all we’ll be left with is average talent with long contracts
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 10, 2011 4:27 AM EST up reply actions
this is bs!
I have heard way more about dwight stayin than going.He knows the right thing to do is stay in orlando. I have full faith he will stay!
by mazzella592 on Dec 10, 2011 2:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Please send me those stories because I’ve seen only two compared to the hundreds saying otherwise. I think we all need a pick me up
by telka on Dec 10, 2011 9:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If he leaves
then what he has done for this organization is solidify us as the team that great players leave from, not go to. If he leaves he gets nothing but scorn from me.
by Satch30 on Dec 10, 2011 2:52 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
"...solidify us as the team that great players leave from, not go to"
most depressingly true statement ever
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 10, 2011 2:55 AM EST up reply actions
I still blame Otis/BVW ....
Dwight would’ve stayed if they didn’t suck so bad.
by CaliFlorida on Dec 10, 2011 4:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You nailed it in a way I never could.
Despite actually signing a number of huge free agents over the year, if the 2 best we’ve ever had leave in such a similar way it will be crushing to the perception of the franchise for years and years to come.
Fingers crossed and beard still growing.
This is part of the reason that Magic fans suck so bad.
So ungrateful and hypocritical. 98% of people that declare themselves human beings don’t stay in situations they don’t want to be in unless they have to. The other 2% are people who hate themselves.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
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by slickw143 on Dec 10, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
NBA in the next 5 years!
The NBA should just take 3 of the biggest market teams in the East and 3 of the biggest market teams in the West and divide 72 of the BEST players into those 6 teams and just do away with the rest of the smaller market teams and call that the NEW NBA.
Wait, that’s what we are already starting to do!!!!!!!
I think the NBA is going to lose more and more fans because of the way this is going each season with players jumping on already loaded teams.
by bumper64 on Dec 10, 2011 2:52 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
We're all the Washington Generals
From Deadspin: “You are the Washington Generals. You have always been the Washington Generals, and until the NBA goes commie and starts arming the peasantry and redistributing the land—a la the NFL—you will go on being the Washington Generals… …the NBA is rigged so that a handful of teams—the teams the general public actually likes to watch on TV—get to enjoy their native blessings, and everyone else is the Washington Generals.”
So it seems, but ought it to be this way? Maybe I’m just overreacting because of how utterly bonkers I’ll go if we lose one of the greatest centers of all time to the freaking Lakers AGAIN.
you got a link to that article?
I wasn’t feeling miserable enough so I need something even more depressing to kick it into high gear
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 10, 2011 2:59 AM EST up reply actions
lol
it’s very therapeutic. Expensive, though…
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 10, 2011 3:14 AM EST up reply actions
I'm at the Venetian in Vegas right now
It might cost me a whole years salary. But hey, I’m a team player.
lmao
methinks casino tables might be bolted to the floor. Trash the room instead!
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by TheGiantSquid on Dec 10, 2011 3:20 AM EST up reply actions
Just because our terrible management...
Or Toronto’s terrible management or Cleveland’s terrible management couldn’t surround their stars with pieces for sustained success, it doesn’t mean there are “25 Washington Generals”. That’s ridiculous Dan Gilbert talk.
San Antonio and OKC prove otherwise. Detroit has proven both cases, with their 7 straight ECF appearances and then terrible moves leading them to the purgatory they’re in now. Portland assembled championship-quality talent (that wanted to be there), only to be derailed by injuries. If Memphis retains Gasol, they are going to be contenders in the West for the next few years.
Meanwhile, the Clippers have been horrible despite being in LA for the majority of 30 years, and Boston was bad for the better part of 20 years until Danny Ainge creatively used his assets to acquire KG and Allen. There’s a good chance they can return to that irrelevance if things don’t break their way after this year or next. The Bulls were mostly irrelevant for 15 years after Jordan left (who they only got because Portland was stupid in drafting Sam Bowie) because of their stupidity. Dallas was irrelevant for most of 20 years until Cuban put his stamp on the team, not because of the market they’re in.
Honestly, I can go on and on. The market makes some difference, but this is a convergence of a bunch of other factors. The primary reason we are in this situation is because of poor management decisions, and that is spearheaded by good ol’ Otis Smith.
"We just want to chill" - Chris Bosh.
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by slickw143 on Dec 10, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The only real good news today
is that the Nets are trying to land Nene for a max deal. If they do, they’ll have no cap space to sign (or re-sign) Dwight as a FA this summer. Will D-Will want to stay if Dwight isn’t there? Doubt it.
Oh yeah, and this whole tampering thing? Hasn’t quite been sorted out yet. Seems as if there is a little Twilight saga going on within the Magic org. on what to do with Dwight.
SIDE NOTE: All I know about Twilight other than being vampires and stuff is when it first came out there were “Teams” of people.
If you look at Otis’ comments, it seems as if he is on the “team trade” side, as he has stated numerous times that he will make decisions best for the org. (yeah, sure) and that he might not listen to Dwight and placate his wishes.
Martins seems to be on the other side, which is why he says Dwight didn’t have permission to speak with the Nets.
See you next time on As the Magic Turn.
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If we trade to the Lakers
are we racing against the Hornets appeal process? Because the thing is that they were willing to give up a lot between them and Houston to get Paul. Would they be willing to give up the same to us? Maybe include Bynum since they won’t need him anyways.
In other words we would get Martin, Scola, Bynum and Odom plus picks while offloading Howard and maybe Turk since LA had said they were willing to absorb a contract. I would try this out in the ESPN trade machine but it hasn’t been updated with our current salary situation.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
Oh yeah, and Dragic.
I forgot he was in the deal too.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
This is way better than the NJ deal, and way better for the Lakers.
People like to get cute about it but Dwight > CP3 ten times out of ten. No matter what team, or what situation. So basically I wish you were Otis Smith because he is not thinking of this right now.
I just don't see them doing that after all of the hours (and days, turning into week(s) to get this deal back on track.
"Summer, Spring, Winter, Fall, All I do is ball. All I do is ball." - B. Bass - Billion Dollar Dreams, Winter 2011.
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Evan said it best at the end of the second paragraph of this post
“What a mess.”
Chicago Blackhawks... 2010 Stanley Cup Champions
Chicago Bears... 2010 NFC North Champion
Orlando Magic... 1995 and 2009 Eastern Conference Champions
by Mike from Illinois on Dec 10, 2011 3:13 AM EST reply actions
It really sucks reading national coverage right now.
People are pretty annoyed by the Magic, which is understandable given the crazy fact that they can’t seem to get their facts straight on this. But to me it reads like, “how much longer do we have to keep caring about the Orlando Magic before we can gush about Dwight Howard’s future on his new team?”
by Tim333 on Dec 10, 2011 3:17 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is unbelievable
I just have to believe some miracle will happen. I wish the lockout had never been lifted. What a waste of time.
I am made of bits of real panther so you know I'm good.
Why did we get Glen Davis if we're letting Howard walk?
This makes no sesne. Does the front office even have a strategy here?
Yugly.
Howard's still a human being.
In regards to the “I’m here right now” quote…
One needs to take into account the fact that he’s been asked the same question — one that he probably doesn’t have an answer for — about a zillion times over the past year. That has to be beyond frustrating.
I’m not saying that the line is a positive/hopeful one, but that doesn’t mean it’s negative, either. His response sounds more like exasperation than anything else. I could obviously be wrong…but to me it doesn’t sound like “I’m here now (but I may not be tomorrow)” and more like “I’m here now (so stop f***ing asking me about it)”.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 10, 2011 8:56 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
True.
He is frustrated. At the media for the same questions. At the Magic for not getting better players. Just a cluster.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
At the fans who are constantly begging him to stay.
And telling him what he needs to do and how much they’ll hate him – seriously, saw a convo between him and multiple fans on Twitter. Ridiculous. – I understand the frustration, but people shouldn’t take it out on him. Take it out on the management that put us in this situation for the 3rd time in 23 years.
"Summer, Spring, Winter, Fall, All I do is ball. All I do is ball." - B. Bass - Billion Dollar Dreams, Winter 2011.
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
http://www.twitter.com/Amway_Get_Loud
Plus the Orlando based media...
Every time they ask, it’s not “what are your plans?”
It’s: “Is it true that you’re planning to set fire to Amway Arena and piss on the ashes before ditching town just like Shaq did? The fans here would hate you for it, by the way. Stay though, because we love you. Are you going to abandon us?”
Get that every day for a year, and I bet you have a hard time still answering it with positivity.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Dec 10, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've considered abandoning the Magic because those questions annoy ME so much.
I could only imagine what it would do someone who just plays basketball for the team, vs. someone who literally grew up with the team and has loved them my whole life.
"Summer, Spring, Winter, Fall, All I do is ball. All I do is ball." - B. Bass - Billion Dollar Dreams, Winter 2011.
http://www.twitter.com/JShannonhouse3
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Yup.
I am at peace. We had 7 great years. New Arena. Trade him. Cap space and a bunch of draft picks.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Best case scenario:
Tampering charges issued and proven. Dwight can’t be traded to NJ. Williams sees no point in staying anymore and decides (if Otis can just clear enough cap space, do whatever it takes, lose 40 this year, I don’t care) to come here instead to play with Dwight.
Keep in mind, Kobe literally demanded a trade in a parking lot to a person with a cellphone camera and wound up winning 2 more titles in LA. LA looked around the league and tried to trade him, but couldn’t find a deal that worked for them. Not saying that is a likely outcome, and obviously scenarios and league landscape has changed, but just that stranger things have happened.
"Summer, Spring, Winter, Fall, All I do is ball. All I do is ball." - B. Bass - Billion Dollar Dreams, Winter 2011.
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He's still a human being.
I think that’s the number one thing everyone has to remember. He’s a millionaire baller, but he still is a human being who had a dream one day that he could improve his lot in life by being a top tier basketball player in the NBA. Here it is. His dream has come true and he now has options which he’s earned through being one of the best and most durable players in the NBA.
I can see it in his face when he talks about what he’s tried to build here in Orlando and I can tell it bothers him that he hasn’t brought a championship here. He’s been very loyal to us through the years and he’s always vehemently defended the city and the organization, unlike others who’ve chosen to leave. But now he has the opportunity to try something else in his life. I’m sure some of us Magic fans have wanted a fresh start before. Dwight Howard is no different.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
Yes - all the stars are human beings but they need to understand fandom
D12’s twitter response of “@MAGIC_FAN4EVA would y’all leave me alone about that. Dang. Am I on another team no. And if u hate me becuz another jersey u never loved me”.
Frankly – if he is wearing another jersey I will not love him. I’m a Magic fan. I follow the team. I love all great players that play for my team. I believe most fans love their teams – not the players directly. See Cleveland and Miami last year. Cleveland fans burning shirts and a lot of Heat fans that used to not like Lebron got on the fan bandwagon pretty quick – because it helped their team.
Dwight should not expect Magic fans to love him regardless of what he does – unless it supports our team.
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by UCLA_Alum on Dec 10, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So, you're saying he's right?
You’re admitting to rooting for laundry which is what he said.
i support casual racism
by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT
I want a BUC'N criminal investigation.
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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT
by internet commenter on Dec 10, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
whether it's right or wrong isn't really a choice anyone can make
but the plain fact is there are plenty of people that feel that way. If I had to place a bet on it I would lay my money on it that more people feel the way UCLA_Alum feel than not.
It’s really understandable in my book, it’s not like say Howard is stopping by my house to have some dinner and play some xbox. People are attached to their teams, and when a great player leaves they are upset because you have now made their team bad. It’s like when a girlfriend/boyfriend leaves you for someone else, you may have loved what you had together, they didn’t so they left…I’m willing to bet that most people aren’t sitting there rooting for their ex to do well as they are walking out the doors with their bags.
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by malenko on Dec 10, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
While I prefer to root for people, I wasn't making a value judgement.
I just found it odd that he would disagree with Dwight’s tweet, and then essentially repeat it.
i support casual racism
by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT
I want a BUC'N criminal investigation.
Over the Monster -- SB Nation's Resident Red Sox Site
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT
by internet commenter on Dec 10, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe I'm wrong, but I wasn't taking what he said as disagreeing with Dwight
I took it more as a Dwight needs to wake up and realize this is how life works and you can’t have it both ways kinda post.
Please leave a message, I'm busy hiding my cat from TGS.
Could be.
Either way I wouldn’t co-sign. I love your avatar, btw.
i support casual racism
by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT
I want a BUC'N criminal investigation.
Over the Monster -- SB Nation's Resident Red Sox Site
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT
by internet commenter on Dec 10, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
lol thanks. I quit buying my cats toys years ago because all it takes to make them happy is a cardboard box.
Please leave a message, I'm busy hiding my cat from TGS.
Keep in mind D12 is NOT going to sign an extension this year
As noted in other posts it is significantly to Dwight’s economical disadvantage to sign an extension this year rather than opt out and sign after the season is complete. Same with D-Will in NJ. As such, the Magic could completely retool the team with those supposedly on Dwight’s list (Iggy, Josh Smith, Ellis, Davis who we already now have, etc.) and he will still wait until the season is over before making a “I’m staying with the Magic” decision. He might give the Magic some love for trying to work with him, but if he stays on the team all year we will never know if he’s signing long term with us until some time after July 1. Going to be a LONG year.
Live life to the fullest, and do it in the fast lane
by UCLA_Alum on Dec 10, 2011 9:30 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Magic brass has obviously failed to provide Dwight with an incentive of team's planned future improvements to at least delay his quest for immediate trade.
If Magic can come to terms with the possibility of Dwight walking, they should not trade him early, basically “calling his bluff” as some have coined it. In that scenario, if Dwight is traded later, he would not enjoy the Bird’s right to sign a maximum 5-year contract with maximum annual pay increase, next summer. That may provide incentives for him to stay should the team improve, of which we have seen no signs yet. All the moves – besides the obvious ones – were from ranged from bad to awful.
by Matt1325 on Dec 10, 2011 9:40 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Correct.
Dwight wants to leave? Let him do it as a free agent. Cap space and Orlando would be terrible. IN this league you have to suck for three years. Get three top 5 picks and then you go. Orlando’s error was never Rashard Lewis, it was being good the year they got Dwight. They needed to suck for one or two more years. We need to suck for a few years. So if Otis Smith can not do a trade to get someone(and I obviously do not trust Otis) trade Dwight where we can get cap space and multiple picks in this year’s draft(Kendall Marshall might be a freaking second round pick people[how deep is this draft going to be?]) and give me cap space.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
by Mateo9399 on Dec 10, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Or let him walk.
But come to a decision as soon as possible. That is what I meant to add.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
OR
I offer Dwight Howard, Jameer Nelson, Q, and Ryan Anderson for Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh. Miami would literally have the two best players in the world and Orlando would get the best 2 guard and a top 5 PF.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
I've been saying that if Riley and Otis had any sense...
They’d trade Dwight for LeBron straight up. It’s the only fair value for Dwight, and LeBron would have to respond to basically being pegged the fall guy for last year’s Finals. Also, Miami would have clear definitions for each of their stars, not to mention the best frontcourt the league has seen in a long while.
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by slickw143 on Dec 10, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They won't even think about it though, because of their egos.
Those bums.
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Yes yes yes on Marshall
I’ve been wanting him badly in a Magic uniform, but never mentioned him cause I thought no one else realized who he is.
6’4" true pass first PG. They say he has excellent floor vision and is an extremely smart/creative passer.
He’s second in the nation in assists per game with an awesome assist/turnover ratio.
I can only hope we draft him.
I almost want to trade Dwight now.
Use our that will suck to get Harrison Barnes. Use whatever pick we get for him on Kendall Marshall. And that we can start with what should be a star studded back court. As contracts start coming off the books in 2013 we should have cap space to make a run at Blake Griffin. He is not going to stay. It is Donald Sterling for God’s sake.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
I wonder where someone like Jeremy Lamb would go in the draft.
Long, athletic wing with tons of scoring potential.
…..
I hate talking about lottery picks so soon after going to the Finals.
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seems like a top 10 pick
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft/results/top100/_/year/2012
Barnes and Marshall, cap space to be able to sign a big man. Or suck for one more year and then get a big in the draft. It sucks but we have to eat it. You have to suck for three years and then you become better. Just like OKC. Problem is that Otis won’t do this. I need to be the freaking GM. It is not as hard as people think, especially when ownership says spend money.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
I agree that it is not hard to be a good GM.
It starts with the talent to collect information, and code and organize it for proper analysis. Then as years go by, experience adds to the weight and reputation, hence enhancing decision making capacities, and being able to push through with the decisions made.
Exactly.
And you have to know how your league works. More likely than not you have to bottom out two years in a row, and three preferably. You have to get three consecutive top 5 picks, while also keeping your cap space available. You have to have a smart owner as well. It takes freaking patience.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
No to Harrison Barnes. Give it time. He will drop.
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 10, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Just a question.
It may not sound good. But Dallas is about to get a huge TPE. If they were willing to take Hedo’s bad contract, and trade us a bunch of their expiring contracts for Dwight plus 2012, 2014, 2016 1st round picks, plus their 2012 second picks and Beubois would you trade with them? I would not mind seeing Dwight in Dallas, I like Cuban and Dirk while also enjoyed them beating the Heat.
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Plus have the cap space
To make runs at restricted Free Agents Eric Gordon and Russel Westbrook.
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I'd be fine with that.
Rather than send him within the conference and take Brook Lopez’s soft ass.
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I know Dallas is the hot name right now, and I like some of their assets.
Wonder if we could get a Fernandez/Mahinmi/picks package for Dwight/Hedo. Get a young, shot-creating, scoring wing and a warm athletic body to man the middle. Agree with slick, anything like this is preferred to Lopez.
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Beubois seems more realistic.
Wouldn’t mind Mahinmi. Also please stand by SVG. He is going to be the best coach to get us through this rebuilding process.
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Stan better not take the fall for this.
I will be fuming if he does.
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by slickw143 on Dec 10, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
a warm athletic body to man the middle.
LOL
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
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by Souwantmyname on Dec 10, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, can the Magic front office just pull themselves together instead of continuing to fall apart in front of the world at crunch time.
Unbelievable, they couldn’t have handled this any worse. Drunk dialing, tampering allegations, conflicting messages…cmon! Hopefully they get it together today and pull of at least one solid move.
Dallas picks will continue to be very low, you cant rebuild with non lottery picks.
The Nets picks likewise are top 14 (Rockets) protected and top 7 protected (Warriors) both of those teams look to be at least near playoff teams and both are in line to make moves this week. Those picks are going to be as bad as Dallas’.
As much as I’d hate to give Dwight to LA (my 2nd most hated team after Miami) – they can still give the best package in Bynum and Odom without a guarantee from Dwight. Those two can easily be flipped for very nice draft picks or young players we can build around; plus they can absorb Hedo’s contract.
I would want the cap space.
Plus having a top 5 pick. As long as we have a one top 5 pick in this year’s draft we would be set, every other pick in this draft is just gravy. I would rather trade to Dallas and get expiring contracts. And Jason Terry is at least fun for a year.
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I don't see Cuban trading Terry right after they won the title.
He just doesn’t strike me as that cold kind of owner. He gets attached to his players a bit more than most. But hey, it is the NBA, and anything can happen.
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What about letting the Chandler, who outside of Dirk was the reason they won, leave
If he can get Dwight now, why not???
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Letting someone sign somewhere else is different than shipping someone out to a bad situation like ours.
But as you said, it is Dwight, and it certainly could happen.
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Cuban is a business man.
And he got his ring. And JET would understand. It is a business.
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Bynum and Odom can get you that top 5 pick - at least one,
Terry gets you cap room which is not going to be the problem in any move as Dwight and Hedo are almost certainly a package deal. That is $30m off the books and Bynum/Odom are $24m with team options on both next summer.
Who would trade a top 5 pick for Bynum though????
Or Odom for that matter. I would rather suck this year, if we have to trade Dwight, and basically lock up that top 5 pick. Then I would start shipping out Nelson for a late first round pick etc.
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2 firsts
Own and a Houston lottery protected.
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Is it two or three?
Or are you maybe confusing their own with GSW top 7 pro pick?
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Rudoplh had the Magic getting Monta Ellis last night.
Now says Orlando will ship Dwight out because they lack pieces to get anyone else.
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Not happening.
Shame. Otis must be fired right now. Hire a decent GM(me or Bill Simmons) and trade Dwight while trying to get the best cap space(expiring contracts) and draft picks in 2012 Draft.
Nets if they amnesty Outlaw I want Brooks, Lopez, both picks, 2014 pick, and 2016 pick. Plus some second rounders this year as well. And they have to take Turk and Q or Duhon. That is it. Nothing more nothing less.
Dallas if they want to use their newly acquired $12 mill TPE on Turk and gives Terry, Beubois, Wright, Mahinmi, ’12, ’14, ’16 picks. And maybe the ’18 pick as well.
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ORL is balking and the nets are about to sign Nene which wouldn't let them bring back turk
where do they go from there? no idea
by William_H_HOLLA on Dec 10, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
If Houston, LA & NOLA deal goes down
Then Nene will end up in NJ most likely because Houston wont want (or be able to, not sure which one) him. If that is the case and Nene ends up a Net (haha) they won’t have enough space to re-sign Dwight and D-Will in the summer either.
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No Nene will end up in Houston
Because they will then amnesty Thabeet and have a frontcourt of Gasol and Nene.
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Where'd you hear that?
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ESPN and a couple other places.
Houston is under the cap by about $5 or $6 million I believe. Plus they shed about $3 million more and could amnesty Thabeet. That team would be stacked. Gasol, Nene Lowry and all the role players they got?? Watch out.
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would houston go after marc gasol and pair the gasol brothers?
by turbo champion on Dec 10, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Nah.
Gasol is restricted. Nene is not. Either that or Denver is not matching for sure. Memphis is matching. Orlando should hold New Jersey hostage. Ask for every first round pick we can squeeze. Marshon Brooks. Brook Lopez I guess because we need something there. They take Turk and Q or Duhon or both. Rudolph just said Ben Gordon might be an amnesty candidate, Jersey could sign him. I am telling it is not that hard. Just don’t eff up. Oh wait…..Otis…..sigh……
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With Deron WIlliams and Dwight those 1st rd. picks are just bad late 1st rd. picks
You’ll be getting 2nd rd. talent but their contracts are guarantee’d
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 10, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
While it's a stacked draft, that is WAAAYYY overstating it.
Fingers crossed and beard still growing.
Haven't seen any of that.
I’ll I’ve seen is that if this deal does go down and Houston’s end remains unchanged, it means they’re out of the Nene chase.
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This is all I've seen on it, really.
http://twitter.com/#!/stevekylerNBA/status/145563660029403136
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to me, this begs the question of why didn't otis go after Nene
and offer him agent zero’s money that just came off the books?
by William_H_HOLLA on Dec 10, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
We are still over the cap bud.
Maybe if we ship out Turk we could S&T for him. Lol.
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i kept hearing rumors yesterday of a 3 team trade were we go monta or iggy is there any legs to that or was it just b.s. twitter rumors?
by turbo champion on Dec 10, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
There were hints.
Then they “POOFED” gone over night. Rudolph thought for sure Orlando was getting Ellis last night. Stunned that Orlando literally can not get anything for their players.
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well time for a miracle to keep howard hear
by turbo champion on Dec 10, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
so your telling me theres a chance!!!
by turbo champion on Dec 10, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol rec for making me smile with all the bad news swirling around.
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It just seems like the Magic have no idea what they're doing right now.
I wish it felt like they had SOME kind of definite plan.
The plan was always to keep Howard
I think they’ve showed that with the moves they’ve made over the years.
They overpayed Rashard Lewis just to get someone here. He was good at first, but obviously was’t worth that much money long term.
They signed Turk to that midlevel deal several years ago and he played quite well for us at that price. They didn’t re-sign him after that contract was up 2 years ago because he wanted too much money.
They traded for Vince Carter who was coming off a good year, but he got hurt too much and never lived up to the hype here for us.
Then they traded him for Jason Richardson who was having a lot of success in Pheonix. They also brought back Turk in that deal at his much higher price. They gave up way too much to get it done and we saw how that worked out.
Then same day, they traded Lewis for Gilbert Arenas in hopes he could regain his former abbilities… and he couldn’t.
So it’s not like they haven’t tried…. the moves just haven’t panned out. Regardless of what you thought of them at the time… In hindsight we see how bad ALL of these moves look… but again, they tried.
by Justin85 on Dec 10, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good question.
I know Sheed was flipped after only being with the Hawks for like a week and Billups back in the day never even played a game for us, but I am not sure with the new CBA.
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I think he can be traded
Just not as part of a package that you send as a team.
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Honestly
I am echoing what some others are saying. I may cease to be an NBA/Magic fan after this. It’s all about the ring and to hell with the fans. I hope Howard doesn’t end up like Shaq moving from team to team looking for one more ring.
Ummm what's wrong with wanting to win championships?
As a player, isn’t that what it’s supposed to be about??? What the hell are you talking about?
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by slickw143 on Dec 10, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
exactly.
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Yeah
For us it is a sport. For them it is a business. What about when you leave your job for a better job? What is the difference? Take your emotion out of it. Dwight gave us 8 years where he busted his tail off every single night. We have the best arena in the world, which means the Magic are never leaving here. Time for fans to grow up.
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Time for fans to grow up,
By being indifferent to Dwight Howard’s departure and pressuring the Magic into an unbalanced trade?
by Green Bull on Dec 10, 2011 2:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No
As in this a business. Memphis didn’t get screwed in their trade. We have to rebuild with or without Dwight. Dwight is our best asset that can net us picks and cap space. Plus dump the awful contracts we have. And get as many picks. The Magic will always be in Orlando because of Dwight getting us a new arena. There is nothing the team can do get better. He wants us to make the best deal possible to help us out. What is Dwight doing wrong again?
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We aren't getting the best deal possible with the Nets.
I doubt they will even consider offering Deron Williams, and everybody else they have seems to have less trade value than our third beat player. And with Dwight Howard, their draft picks will obviously be very late in the rounds. Pressuring management into this is hardly helping us out. If he does leave, it will be clear his proposed trades are solely for his ego-not to help a franchise he deems unworthy.
Magic fans are under no obligation to root for a player who leaves them for his media glorification.
by Green Bull on Dec 10, 2011 2:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
So should Dwight lie about where he wants to go?
Because it’s not like he wouldn’t play the remainder of his contract out this season if he was traded to, say, Utah. But other teams aren’t going to trade for him if they don’t believe he’ll stay there. Hence, the only suitors we have are teams Dwight will stay with. So the options are to either let him walk or trade him to one of those suitors.
If he’s up front and honest about it, then it’s fine, and I can’t hate on him. If he pulls a LeBron and strings us along the entire time all the way up to next season’s free agency period, then yeah, I’d be pissed.
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I agree.
Just saying that it is a business. I just hate how fans feel they own their players and teams. Only the Packers fan do.
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"Ownership owns not only the team, but the players too"
Now I know why so many people side with the owners in lockouts.
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by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT
I want a BUC'N criminal investigation.
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by internet commenter on Dec 10, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The proposed trades I referred to,
Involve him-to New York, LA, and Dallas.
by Green Bull on Dec 10, 2011 2:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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Dwight Howard has requested that the Orlando Magic trade him to the New Jersey Nets, league sources tell Y! Sports.
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