Dwight Howard Trade Rumor: New Jersey Nets to Offer Brook Lopez, Draft Picks to Orlando Magic, Says Report
by Evan Dunlap on Nov 30, 2011 11:43 AM EST
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PrintIn an effort to land Orlando Magic center Dwight Howard before he hits free agency in 2012, the New Jersey Nets will offer 23-year-old center Brook Lopez and two future first-round draft picks to the Magic in a trade proposal, report Chad Ford and Marc Stein of ESPN.com. Howard, the NBA's reigning Defensive Player of the Year for three years running, has been vocal in his desire to play in a larger market. The Nets, who are set to move to Brooklyn's brand-new Barclays Center in 2013, can certainly offer that, and potentially the opportunity to play alongside All-Star point guard Deron Williams, provided they can convince him not to bolt in free agency.
Ford and Stein report the Nets would also offer to absorb the contract of Hedo Turkoglu in the trade. The 32-year-old veteran has three years and more than $35 million remaining on his deal, initially signed with the Toronto Raptors in 2009. Taking Turkoglu would free salary-cap space for Orlando, which could fast-track its rebuilding process using Lopez, the two future first-round picks, and the cap space created by Turkoglu's departure. Waiving Gilbert Arenas using the amnesty clause in the new Collective Bargaining Agreement could free more cap space.
It's important to note that Orlando does not appear to be seriously entertaining offers for Howard yet. "Most rival teams, however, doubt that the Magic can be convinced to start seriously considering trade scenarios for Howard this early," report the ESPN duo. "Two team executives monitoring the situation told ESPN.com on Tuesday night that they expect Orlando to take a patient approach with what could be Howard's last year in town."
Lopez remains among the more promising center prospects in the NBA. The seven-footer owns career averages of 17.4 points per game in 34.2 minutes, along with 7.6 rebounds, 1.7 blocks, and 50.4 percent shooting from the field. As a bonus, he converts 80.1 percent of his free throws.
However, he struggled offensively in 2010/11, his first season under coach Avery Johnson. Though he averaged a career-best 20.4 points per game, he shot a career-low 49.2 percent from the floor and grabbed just six rebounds per game, eschewing the back-to-basket game in favor of drifting toward the perimeter for jumpers.
Howard's coming off an MVP-caliber campaign in which he played the league's best defense on one end while scoring 22.9 points on 59.3 percent shooting at the other.
Teams cannot begin making trades until December 9th, which is also the date training camp opens and free agency begins. The season itself starts December 25th, which ought to make for a frenzied, terribly interesting December.
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Howard is one of the best centers ever, but if he doesn't want to stay then this deal doesn't look too bad long term.
Maybe another piece would be nice
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Probably the first of many
Hopefully Otis can get something together to keep Dwight, not trade him.
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What 1st round picks do the Nets have to offer?
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Nov 30, 2011 12:19 PM EST reply actions
Own 2012, Rockets 2012 protected
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I more meant where in the draft the picks would be...
Protected Top 5? Top 10? Is one in the 20’s?
If it’s a Top 5 and a low teens…you’d have to at least look at the draft to see what that might equal. If it’s 15 and 27…then you spit-take laughing.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Nov 30, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Well the nets pick would presumably be with Dwight and Deron playing
I wouldn’t count on it being a low one. The rockets one might be more interesting, but this is just not enough.
Yugly.
Rockets is top 14 protected through 2016
Nets own would be unprotected I’m sure, but if they got Dwight + Deron together, it’s going to be a low pick. Of course, that’s the case for any team that gets Dwight.
Best pick would be Minny’s 2012 first round unprotected, owned by the Clippers.
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Minny's 2012 first round, owned by the Clippers?
Package that, the Clips 2012 first round pick (if they have it), and Blake Griffin?
All trade ideas prefaced with “I’d rather Howard stay in Orlando, but…”
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Nov 30, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I think the Clips stick with Griffin no matter what.
He’s going to be the face of that franchise going forward.
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Griffin is going nowhere
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Haven't looked too much into this years class
But from what I heard it should be pretty deep
BTW Nets are moving there next year not 2013
Building is almost done.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Isn't "next year" 2013 season though?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but there are only 32 days left in 2011, therefore, next year’s season is 2012-2013, which I believe is what he meant. Calm down, Nets fan.
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This is a bum offer.
What will likely be middle-to-late first round picks and a soft (albeit skilled) center for Dwight and Hedo’s contract? To me, those aren’t building blocks. They are legos that can be used to build a parody of a foundation.
I don’t think even Otis is silly enough to make this move right now. Although, honestly, every decision has to be weighed against the ridiculosity of trading for Arenas. With that in mind, I expect this trade to be completed on December 10th.
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by slickw143 on Nov 30, 2011 1:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
They'll get better offers than this.
I’m confident that if we’re not able to keep Dwight, we’ll be able to rebuild quickly. But this offer isn’t enough to land Dwight Howard.
I think it’s a testament to how good Dwight is that Lopez seems so beneath him as a trade piece.
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Agreed. That offer is insultingly weak.
If we’re trading Dwight, I am confident we can package him with Turk for a bonafide all-star, a borderline all-star and an extra piece or two.
I know an NBA scout & Lakers fan who told me he’d seriously consider Dwight / Turk / Duhon for Gasol / Odom / Barnes / Blake.
That combined with another move or two could have us in contention.
One side point: If Otis is open to trading Dwight at this point, he’s gotta be awfully curious where the league’s many free agent big men are landing. If any of them resign with their current team, they could each offer very interesting packages.
Agree, that offer is weak - its Rony Seikaly plus role players (at best).
Funny how ESPN and sports media works, that headline could just as easily have been:
The Orlando Magic offer Jameer Nelson, JJ Redick, Brandon Bass and draft picks for DWill and Travis Outlaw.
Come on Orlando Sentinel!! step up and counter their propaganda!! Its not like any of the other reporting OSen’s been doing is fact based. Schmitz, Robbins, anyone?!
Anywayz…. nothing (if anything) is going to happen with Dwight until the all-star break . Every GM knows there is a season of tickets that still needs to be sold – no way Magic move until the last possible moment. Otis is not manning the ship alone – others are and have been very involved in all the decision making – the Magic brass have operated as a committee for a while now.
by MagicLA on Nov 30, 2011 2:30 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Can we trade arenas amnesty?
So we trade Arenas+ good young player to a “budget oriented team” and then they amnesty Arenas? We get talent, they get rid of millions?
Only way I see to keep Dwight is trading Arenas+ Anderson & or/Reddick to NO for Paul and Okafor or other bad contract they may have. If they can amnesty Arenas they get cap space & good contracts for rebuilding, and we get a chance to keep Dwight without giving that much. Long shot yes. But it’s a team owned by the NBA who might want to give a shot to the “competitive small markets” thing. Stern would look bad if after the lockout, if yet another superstar leaves a small market and signs in LA. It will mean the owners couldn´t change the system as they supposedly wanted and that the lockout was a waste fo time and money.
you've been fairly quiet on this whole matter.
I know speculating isn’t your thing, but care to do a piece on Orlando’s options, or is there something in the works?
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Gilbert, Dwight, the whole scenario involving their trade options/workability as far as amnesty, chances Dwight stays/goes, etc.
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There are only two trades that would really be close to fair:
1) Miami trades Lebron James to Orlando for Dwight Howard
2) Los Angeles Clippers trade Blake Griffin for Dwight Howard
As far as I can see, teams like the Nets, Lakers or even Bulls really can’t offer anything that is really going to do much positive for Orlando, certainly not when you factor in the financial burden we’d take on.
Which, to me, is why this New Jersey offer, in a way, is the most appealing. Robin Lopez is CHEAP. 2 mil this season, 4 mil next. And he’s arguably one of the best young centers in the game. Compared with, say, Andrew Bynum, in terms of cost/benefit, there’s no question who the better player is.
If we can amnesty Gilbert and lose Hedo in the trade, it would give us a lot of room to work on rebuilding.
Given the choice between a total rebuilding with draft picks and Robin Lopez, or taking on contracts like Gasol/Odom from LA or Noah/Deng from Chicago, I think you have to go with rebuilding.
A Clippers package of
Aminu, Gordon, Jordan and picks for Howard & Hedo would be MUCH better. Fact is, this isn’t even the best deal NJ can do. No way do you take it.
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And I agree NJ can do better.
I’m just saying, in general, if Howard gets traded I think it’s smarter for the Magic to try and unload as much as possible and look toward rebuilding rather than even trying to recover with immediate player acquisitions.
by Jtyler998 on Nov 30, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
yeah, they'll be rebuilding regardless if Dwight is gone.
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ehh...
Gasol/Odom/Nelson core? Thats not much better than Dwight/Nelson/Turk core, which obviously isn’t a contender based on last years’ results.
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if it's Gasol + Bynum minus Hedo then you really have to think about it.
Gasol + Bynum for Dwight + Hedo + Bass
Definitely have to consider that because it creates a whole new scenario:
• Prior to trade deadline you trade Nelson for an expiring contract (- $7.8M)
• At seasons end you amnesty Arenas (- $20.8M) + not pick up JJ’s option (6.2M) = total $34.8 cleared
That leaves a payroll of $39.6M or $18.4M under the cap.
• That allows you to make a run at either CP3 or DWill
• Once you secure your point guard then you match any offer for RFA Ryan Anderson
• Then you use your $3-5M MLE + minimum vet contracts to fill out your roster
PG : CP3 or DWill / Duhon
SG:
SF: Q
PF: Gasol / Anderson
C: Bynum / Gasol / Anderson
*plus Harper and Liggins if they make the team
That is a pretty deadly trio that plays well against Miami’s weaknesses. I think that is at least a Eastern Conference finals team.
Why not force LA to take Arenas instead of Turk?
If LA takes Gil, they’re stuck with his contract for the price of having Dwight. Also Orlando is then able to amnesty Turk, saving the franchise millions of dollars, since we’d have to pay the amnesty player his money anyways (Turk’s contract is a lot less than Gil’s).
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by 808duck on Nov 30, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Also, why would CP3 or DWill come to Orlando if Dwight isn't here?
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by 808duck on Nov 30, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Gasol is pretty damn good you may have noticed.
And Bynum when healthy and not being a dirty player, is pretty damn good as well. Those two as the only players on the books???? Who wouldn’t sign here as a PG?
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Not trying to critique everything you wrote
but why not keep JJ as the starting SG instead of being left with only $3-5million to fill the position?
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• becauseI seriously doubt LA gives up Bynum and Gasol and ALSO takes Arenas…plus the salaries have to match because both teams are tax teams – that means that while we might get rid of Arenas we’d have to take back around $8M in unwanted contracts. That would also make clearing space for CP3/DWill more difficult as finding someone to take Nelson for an expiring should be fairly easy, but trying to trade a garbage contract for anything will be near impossible.
• The trio of Gasol, Bynum and either of those two PG’s make at least a deep second round team. Personally I think that is very close to a championship core. It can score, pass and defend plus has combination of youth and championship experience. Definitely matches up well with Miami.
• JJ’s has to be sacrificed to clear cap room to sign CP3/DWill – its unfortunate but there are no other contracts to clear anywhere near his 6.2M. Plus he’ll be a free agent the next year so we’d likely lose him to free agency anyhow.
Ok, your points make sense, and I understand where you're coming from.
I just don’t buy the idea that CP3 or Deron comes to Orlando unless Dwight is in pinstripes. Also Gasol’s contract is pretty massive as well, and could be it’s own albatross in a year. Overall your idea is one of the better ones I’ve seen among the commenters here, but I personally can’t agree with the idea of sending Dwight to LA.
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by 808duck on Nov 30, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Gasol’s skill set points to him aging well – he’ll be 34 when his contract expires. Gasol is not showing any signs of aging – based on PER last year he was the 3d best PF in the NBA. He averaged 19 and 10 plus he is a good shot blocker and one of the best passing bigs in NBA.
CP3 and DWill will look to get paid and be in a championship winning situation. Orlando would have both of those stipulations covered if Bynum and Gasol where here. CP3 or DWill would be paired with not one but two very skilled 7footers that have several years of chemistry playing together – including multiple years of deep playoff and championship experience.
This would be a very very good team.
Plus if Dwight is in LA, why would DWill want to be alone in New Jersey. CP3 as was pointed out by John Hollinger wants to be in NYC but would have to sacrifice a lot of money to play with his friends. Bynum and Gasol are at least close to equal to Melo and Amare, some would argue better.
Like I said, you've got a great idea and I appreciate that it's well thought out.
It’s worth noting that Gasol’s contract is right on par with Gil’s, and although he’s got a great skillset, where’s the motivation to play his best basketball for the Magic after being moved off of a championship level team (before a potential PG signing)? It’s not like he’s in his prime and looking to play for another big contract.
The most important aspect in all of this is can we honestly give Otis Smith the benefit of the doubt to be creative and pull this off? I say no. Even if the trade happens and we make all the other moves to clear space, what happens if CP3 or DWill don’t come to Orlando? There’s a lot of long term damage there being stuck in the Luxury Tax for numerous years (new CBA puts stricter penalties for repeat tax-paying teams), but not winning a title.
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I'm not seeing the long term damage.
If CP3 or DWill fall through you still have the cap space created. In the scenario I laid out above, if the star PG strategy fell through the Magic would be under the cap by around $18M.
Plus you still have two very good players that are very valuable trade assets. Nearly every team would love a shot at either of those two very skilled 7 footers.
• Gasol and Bynum are no chumps and they certainly are not soft. Last year Gasol (23.33) and Bynum (21.14) had the 11th and 21st best PER’s in the entire league. That’s not nothing. Plus they come from a well coached team and an organization with a championship mentality.
I should have been more clear when I said long term damage.
My opinion is that a mediocre team is the worst possible team to have. To me, it’s either you’re a title contender, or you’re looking to create massive cap space and shoot for the number one pick in the draft. Being mediocre gets you the Atlanta Hawks, a team with talent, but absolutely no chance of winning the title. The way to build a team in this league is by getting a star at the top of the draft and then using cap space to fill in the pieces a couple years later. The Magic almost won one with this process, but unfortunately fell short in the finals.
At no point did I say Gasol or Bynum are chumps or that they were soft. I have a good understanding of their talents and PER, I pay more attention than most to this stuff so I agree they’re good players. Once again this is my personal opinion, but I don’t see them improving their value as a player on the Magic. We won’t be able to get a fair return if we decide to trade either one after a year in Orlando. We’ll have to see how this plays out though. I appreciate having a good conversation about this, so thank you for that. This is much better than hearing espn spit out rumors that Dwight will end up with any team other than the Magic.
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I no longer think the draft is the way to go.
There is a business awareness amongst the players that has always been there to a certain level but now it is in the forefront. Branding and immediate results are the new terrain – for better or worse – that is it.
With the NBA entry of most quality players being 1 year out of High School, franchise or all-star level players now normally hit their peak at the end or after their first contract extension. Players like Dwight and Lebron enter their prime just as their first extension expires. This is not going to change any time soon as 19 is the highest age the new CBA is discussing.
Teams (specially small market) are going to keep loosing the players they groom just as they start to blossom. If all the conditions are perfect (like in OKC and Durant) you might get lucky and have your draft be in a year when your pick is a player with a loyal streak. But that is not enough, OKC who has gone though several bad years of “the emergence stage” now has a window of 2 years (this season and next) to win a trophy before they have key members of their core in free agency.
The draft is great to build a team with potential that creates lots of excitement in the community because everyone loves the idea of ‘emergence of youth’ – but it rarely if ever brings a championship unless it is inserted into a ready made team with top veteran talent.
The Magic had the right idea when they tried to combine TMac/Hill/Duncan by clear cutting their roster; that would have been an epic team if they had accomplished their goal. Miami succeeded and that template has and will continue to have a major impact on how free agency occurs from now on. Small market teams (aka Orlando) that have the foresight and financial capacity to adapt to that model will succeed – the ones that don’t will continue to get their players poached year after year and will continue to be in the endless loop of mediocrity.
I agree that small market teams are at a HUGE disadvantage
But there are still major stars at the top of the draft. Blake Griffin and Derrick Rose being recent evidence, and John Wall still has a ton of potential.
Even if your star is in search for a bigger market, you still have a small window to make a serious run before he leaves, like: Lebron in Cleveland, Dwight in Orlando, and Durant’s current window in OKC (although Durant looks to be in OKC for the long haul, respect to him). Having a small window is much better than having no window at all, and I’d say about 70% of the teams in the NBA have no window at all.
The upside of clearing cap space, is that typically it means your team isn’t very good, meaning you’ll have a shot at winning the draft lottery. If you plan properly, the goal is to have the ability to sign a max free agent when your young stud is entering his third year.
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I don't think we can view Orlando as a small market
IF they had an elite roster, Dwight would never think of leaving.
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Yeah, because we had an elite roster when Shaq left town.
I’m not saying Orlando is Toronto or Cleveland, because Orlando has had success in bringing in big free agents, but it’s a different era. Majority of the stars today are very selfish, and marketing themselves is just as important as playing basketball (see Carmelo, Amare, Kobe, Lebron, Bosh, and now Chris Paul)
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Shaq was different.
Shaq wanted to be a laker when he was born. Dwight just wants to win. I knew someone was going to say that, but Shaq WANTED to be a Laker. Dwight wants to WIN. Wherever the best chance is.
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How can you say that for sure? Do you know what Dwight feels and thinks?
It hurts to say this, but what if Dwight goes to LA, then says, “growing up, I always wanted to be a Laker, blah blah blah”. These guys just say these things to show their excitement for a new team. Orlando has a lot of advantages, but it’s not a big market.
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“Shaq would say in pregame warm ups at the the old Forum he wanted his jersey next to Kareem’s and Wilt’s.”
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Ok
So if Dwight moved on to another team then years later a quote from a former teammate had Dwight saying something similar, what would you say? All I’m trying to say is that we don’t have access to every quote ever said by Dwight, so we don’t know what he’s thinking and feeling.
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Your point is valid....
but actually Shaq released an autobiography like 2 years after being drafted by the Magic and in it he states how he always wanted to be a Laker, and even had a plan worked out with his agent on how to get sent to the Lakers on Draft night. He goes on to say how they decided not to go forward with the plan and how he learned to love the Magic, but it always sits there in my mind and leaves me to believe the whole “Orlando low balled me” or the infamous Orlando Sentinel poll had anything to do with it and is nothing but b.s.
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Great insight Malenko
He may have always wanted to be a Laker, but I think being low balled by Magic ownership had a lot to do with it as well.
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A team in the East with Bynum and Gasol
Is a legit title contender. We all love Kobe, but they don’t win any titles with Bynum or Gasol. Not. One. You can’t teach height. Plus Bynum would actually be forced to be in shape here in Orlando. Just saying.
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Tell me more about why Bynum would be forced to be in shape in Orlando
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I honestly think we have better S&C staff than the Lakers.
It is LA. They won two titles, probably lost the hunger. Here with a more strict coaching staff and S&C staff while also playing for a contract within a year or so, honestly believe Bynum would get in better shape.
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That's your opinion.
I have no idea what teams have great training staffs (other than Phoenix), so I’d appreciate it if you gave me some insight comparing Orlando’s to LA’s.
Bynum’s motivation could be spun either way. I could just as easily say that Bynum is due for a let down after being sent from a title contender to a rebuilding team (which is essentially what Orlando would become). He’ll see LA celebrating that they got the best center in the league and hear all the championship talk from the media. Athletes shouldn’t pay attention to that stuff, but they do.
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I agree
Bynum is a nutcase. But he could be so pissed that he actually forces himself to play up to his potential. Either way I figured out a much better trade for Orlando. Read below.
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Yeah, we have no way of predicting that.
It’s my hope that we never see Bynum in pinstripes, because that means Dwight is a Laker. We can all agree that we don’t want him in LA. Screw them, they don’t deserve our all-star center.
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Chris Paul asks Dwight Howard to find a way for them to play together
Paul has reached out to Orlando Magic center Dwight Howard recently, encouraging Howard to find a way for the two to play together, sources told Yahoo! Sports.
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If they teamed up in Orlando, I'd be the happiest person on Earth.
I just don’t think Otis Smith is capable of making it happen.
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To touch on the point about DWill staying in Brooklyn
The Nets have cap space this year as well, and could bring in a guy like Nene to help Williams stay with the Nets. The scariest thing is the Nets have a lot of options. DWill, Nene, Brook Lopez, and Morrow isn’t that bad of a start considering they can get rid of Outlaw and bring in another small foward.
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For the scenario we are talking about, the Nets are a legit threat to take one of the two star PG's
But compared side by side, I don’t really see a big advantage over the Magic:
• Nets will be playing in a major market (Brooklyn) – but the Magic play in Florida with no state taxes and better climate.
• Both teams have or will have a new arena
• Both have owners with deep pockets and not afraid to use them
• SVG vs Avery Johnson – both are hard on players but good coaches
• As of now, both teams would need several pieces to fill their roster for the 2012-13 season.The key difference is the Magic would have key players secured – Gasol until 2014 and a team option on Bynum. The Nets as of now have only Morrow secured for that year.
• Both will have cap room, Magic won’t have as much as the Nets, but enough
The huge advantage that the Nets have is that they already have DWIll on the team.
It’s not like DWill is gonna go somewhere else, then the Nets will sign Chirs Paul. I think we’ll agree DWill is the only option out of the two for Brooklyn.
He’s already had time to acclimate, see the new arena (still being built), talk to the ownership, and get a feel for the fans. Take it for what it’s worth, but he seems somewhat happy there, but we’re talking about the guy who immediately jumped ship to Turkey and had the time of his life (they retired his jersey after only a month on Besiktas).
I definitely agree that Orlando presents just as many if not more advantages, but with the Nets everything depends on this off-season. They could make moves now to improve the team. Orlando is handcuffed by the salary cap.
Maybe I’m being unrealistic, but I still feel Orlando has a shot at keeping Dwight, and thus have a hard time seeing the team have success immediately after trading him to another team.
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Pau Gasol and Brook Lopez are virtually the same player
Both are pretty skilled BUT are VERY SOFT inside. I’ll pass on both of them.
by Justin85 on Nov 30, 2011 10:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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I don’t understand the Gasol/Soft meme. We are talking about the same Pau Gasol who humbled Dwight Howard in the 2009 Finals, yes?
by Evan Dunlap on Nov 30, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If I remember correctly, Gasol beat him with his finesse game… NOT by pounding Howard on the block. That would never happen because he’s too soft to bang around with Howard.
I gave Gasol his credit for being talented, but we’re now also two and a half years removed from those playoffs. There’s no way I would take back Gasol in a trade.
Plus he has a monster contract as well.
by Justin85 on Dec 1, 2011 8:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Please just stop
You don’t accomplish what Gasol has by being “soft”. A player who is is “soft” is Jamal Crawford who shoots J’s and plays zero defense. That is soft. Gasol is great at everything. And a two time champ. And to me was the MVP of the Lakers the last three years. Quote me on that.
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You can say what you want… But he is soft. Being soft has nothing to do with what you can accomplish. He’s a finesse player, and many finesse players have accomplished a lot. But I stand by my remarks, he’s soft and I don’t want him on our team.
by Justin85 on Dec 1, 2011 10:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
"being soft has nothing to do with what you can accomplish"
What do you mean by this? Tell me more
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So I guess you missed when Gasol outplayed Howard in the Finals?
Or KG in the Finals the next year? Yeah……..stop hating on Euro players. It has and never will make any sense.
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Gasol is much better than both
And I love Carmelo. But Gasol, is a beast.
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Vasquez...
Don’t forget about Mr. Spain. His rights in the NBA could be used as an additional trade chip, or add to the PF/C spots.
by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Nov 30, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
At this point you have to look at it like he's never coming to the NBA
Not much value there at all.
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by 808duck on Nov 30, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Reminds me of the Francis, Cato, Mobley trade
Jordan is promising but even though Aminu and Gordon aren’t bad players we would still be significantly behind. Only solid thing about that deal is any picks we would get.
by travell7288 on Nov 30, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully we learned from that
Your never going to get equal value. The best you can do is 1 young talented player and hopefully you can jettison some bad contracts of your own
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Nov 30, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Oh god wy did ya have to go and mention Robin Lopez
we just traded away the center that has outplayed Lopez in every way… Perhaps we should have held onto Gortat until after DH contract got worked out. But its Otis
With the 15th pick, the Miami Dolphins select John Stamos....'s brother
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Nov 30, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ummm...its Brook, not that it REALLY matters.
Except that Robin sucks, and Brook isn’t too bad.
You can't reason with stupid.
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NJ's offer is laughable, and should be rejected in a language its owner understands best, as eltharion has suggested.
This is how I deal with anything relevant to Dwight. it has been brought forth from an earlier post but modified due to circumstantial change:
1 – Fire Otis Smith and hire a top notch GM giving him full authority on all trade decisions.
2 – As soon as the new GM is situated he would invite Dwight and his agent for an official meeting. Within the meeting, short-term (6-12 months) and long-term (2-5 years) plans for improving the team would be presented and discussed. At the end of the meeting, Dwight would be given a 2-week time frame within which to come back for a second meeting and announce whether or not he commits to stay with the team.
3 – If the answer is negative, he would be asked whether or not he has any preference on which team to be traded to. No assurances would be given that Magic would trade him to the team of his choice except when favorable arrangements detrimental to the Magic’s future is reached with that team. It would also be clearly stated that he may not be traded unless a viable trade is identified.
4 – Even afterwards, under normal expected scenarios, Magic is best served, in my view, to let Dwight walk except when a super-star in par – or thereabout – with Dwight’s stature is at the other end of the trade. Any multi-player trade with plenty of smaller contracts – even when Arenas or Hedo’s contracts are dumped – would jeopardize the salary shedding prospect in the future, especially with regard to the use of amnesty provision.
A "top notch" GM is just out there waiting to be hired?
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bad things never go away…………
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Nov 30, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Kind of like when Urban Meyer flat out denied he was talking to Ohio State.
If New Jersey isn’t putting together a deal for Howard, they’re complete idiots.
And their owner guy spent like $7 million to shoot a professional video of himself riding a jet ski, so, he may be the smartest owner in the NBA right now.
I think it's worthy to note that Dec. 31st is a HUGE date in this whole situation.
Dwight needs to be traded or resign in Orlando by this date in order to receive the maximum 5 year bird-rights. If he’s still in Orlando without an extension by then, he stands to make A LOT less money in the off-season, and he can only sign for 4 years even if he comes back to Orlando. If he reaches free agency, the Magic can’t expect to get much back in a sign and trade.
With that being said, I let it ride and force him to tell everyone he wants out. No way I’d ever trade him to the lakers.
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He could still not opt out of his deal, I think.
Highly unlikely, but it’s more likely than the talk about Arenas restructuring his contract.
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by slickw143 on Nov 30, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, you're right he could play the last year of his contract.
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Here's what I would do
If Dwight says hes not going to resign, trade him this season for a deal like the Nets. Not necessarily the Nets deal, but a deal like that. A deal for an up and coming star, and multiple first round picks, and definitely getting rid of Hedos contract would be a must.
Otherwise, you wait till this summer, amnesty Arenas, try at all costs to get rid of Hedo’s contract; clear as much cap room as possible at all costs. Then offer CP3 or D-Will every penny in the bank. If that fails, and Howard leaves, at least you went out swinging.
I dont think we will use the amnesty this year
I think Otis wants to give Arenas one more chance to succeed, especially since the franchise still has to pay Arenas the rest of his contract even if they amnesty him. I think we should amnesty Hedo and sign Tayshaun Prince at the MLE and promote JJ to starting shooting guard. Then let Arenas and Nelson battle it out for the starting PG position. I personally think that Arenas would be a better starter than Nelson due to his ability to pass the ball better to Howard. Nelson would be the perfect 6th man, coming off the bench and being the #1 option if Dwight is out of the game. As for Prince, I think he still has game, and brings the defense we need to guard the superstar wing players. Finally, I believe Ryan Anderson should be the starting PF and Bass should come off the bench with Nelson. We still need to give Dwight spacing by having good 3 point shooters out there, and I expect big progress from Anderson this year. Also, hopefully we can add a good backup C in the offseason too..either Foster, Pryzbilla, or Dalembert.
Our starting lineup would look like this:
Pg: Arenas
Sg; Redick
Sf: Prince
Pf: Anderson
C: Howard
Bench:
Pg: Nelson
Sg: Richardson
Sf: Richardson/Harper
Pf: Bass/Harper
C: Dalembert/Pryzbilla/Foster
Hedo is the player who should get the most heat for our first round exit, not Arenas
by supermantotherescue on Nov 30, 2011 8:44 PM EST reply actions
Prince could command more than the mini-MLE. But it would be great if he wanted to play here. Though I think he has less in the tank than lots of fans think.
And all three centers proposed here will likely get more than the vet min (unless they really want playing time and think they’ll get it once Dwight gets traded. /snark).
All Orlando has is the $3M-first-year/3-year max mini-MLE and vet level contracts to offer.
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by magicfaninTN on Nov 30, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Would we still be in the luxury tax area if we amnestied Hedo’s contract?
Hedo is the player who should get the most heat for our first round exit, not Arenas
by supermantotherescue on Nov 30, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Brace yourselves...
These are gonna be some long months of trolling, Dwight photoshopped wearing other teams’ jerseys and countless fantasy trade scenarios.
Thank you Otis.
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by North of the South on Dec 1, 2011 1:04 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
If a trade is necessary...
I would trade Dwight with the Clippers.
Something like 2 first round picks (they have the Wolves picks that will be valuable next season), Bledsoe, Eric Gordon and DeAndre Jordan
for Dwight, Hedo and Duhon.
Plus, the Clippers would have to bring a third team that could take Kaman and send the Magic one young decent player and another first round pick. Maybe Thaddeus Young and Philly’s first pick, for example.
Nelson / Gordon / Young / Anderson / Jordan
Bledsoe / Redick / Q-Rich / Harper / Orton
Plus Liggins, maybe Clark. And 4 first round picks (Magic pick that should be decent without Howard) in a really good class.
As great as that sounds...
In order to make salaries match this would have to be the trade…
Clippers get:
Dwight, Turk, Duhon
Magic get:
Gordon, Bledsoe, Jordan (whose contract is unknown because he is a FA at the moment), Kaman, Mo Williams, & Randy Foye
We would have to get a third team and I’m afraid this particular deal just isn’t that feasible. I don’t know who would have to get involved but it’s going to have to be someone willing to shake up their entire roster too.
The Clippers are under the cap
so they dont need to part with so many players to make the trade happen.
I thought they could trade Kaman to the Sixers, and the Magic getting Thaddeus Young and the Sixers first round pick in the process.
In this scenario, Bass is also tradeable for a late 1st round pick from a team willing to absorb his contract.
by fregonassi on Dec 1, 2011 2:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
as in something like this
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=codhxyd
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
And a sepearte sign and trade of Jordan for JJ
Iggy, Gordon, Bledsoe, and Jordan plus our young core of Anderson, Harper, Liggins, and hopefully Earl Clark. NO ONE, outside of Ryno and Gordon, can shoot for shite, but you get young, athletic, and you can market Gordon and Iggy. Bledsoe MAYBE can grow under SVG, but you still get two picks from the Clips(Minny will still suck so it should be high) and you can draft local home town hero Austin Rivers. Rivers, Gordon, Iggy, Anderson and Jordan. Blend of offense, defense, length, spread offense. That is not horrible. Everything would have to fall in place, but that would be a super sick trade. Just saying.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
And before anyone asks why would Philly do this?
Because they drafted Evan Turner for a reason. Their “little 3” going forward is Holiday, Young and Turner. They can always amnesty Brand when he finally wears down. Plus Kaman is expiring. Who loses in this trade? Orlando because they lose Dwight, but two great wings(Gordon and Iggy) a young PG, two draft picks, a defensive Center and the possibility of drafting Austin Rivers. Plus they would still be under the luxury line as long as they amnesty Gil. They would have to pay Gordon soon, but he is a very good about to become great player. Tell me the downside of this trade, aside from losing Dwight(does not count since duh I know.)
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Also last comment
You could do a sign and trade with Dallas of J Rich for Tyson Chandler. If Jordan is not an option.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Wait a minute.
If Orlando does that trade and amnesty’s Gil, they would have about $13 mill in cap space. No need to trade JJ at all. Could use money on Nene, Marc Gasol, Tyson Chandler, or DeAndre Jordan. Matt1325 wants a competent GM? Hire me baby.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
No… I mean Thaddeus Young.
It makes no sense to have Iggy and Gordon in the same team. Gordon won’t reach his full potential playing alongside another wingman that demands the ball too much.
Gordon needs to be the offense focal point in this scenario. Young is a good fit in this lineup. Athletic, young, good defender, can play the stretch four, rebounds well for a SF.
Plug Iggy at the 3.
Gordon is a scorer. Iggy does everything. Would compliment better than you think. Very well actually. Plus both defend good to elite, in the case of Iggy. Young is not going anywhere. And I think they would take a 1st and Kaman expiring in a 3 team trade. Again in the event Dwight makes it clear he is leaving.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
The Clippers are under the cap
so they dont need to part with so many players to make the trade happen.
I thought they could trade Kaman to the Sixers, and the Magic getting Thaddeus Young and the Sixers first round pick in the process.
In this scenario, Bass is also tradeable for a late 1st round pick from a team willing to absorb his contract.
by fregonassi on Dec 1, 2011 2:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
OKC
I believe the best deal we can try to get is trading D12 and hedo or jameer for Westbrook,Harden, and Perkins.
Yeah no way Dwight stays in OKC.
Sorry. I would love that but Dwight is not going to OKC. No offense to the great fans and city of OKC.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
The trade rumors here are starting to be nuttier than what the media are coming up with.
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by magicfaninTN on Dec 1, 2011 11:43 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
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