Dwight Howard's Free Agency Looms over Orlando Magic, but Situation Could Be Worse
Dwight Howard can leave the Orlando Magic in the summer of 2012 by exercising the Early Termination Option in his contract, which understandably concerns the team and its fans. Unquestionably the league's best center, Howard anchors everything Orlando does on offense and defense. Losing him, in his prime years, would deal a huge blow to the franchise. This is all quite obvious.
Following the Magic's 103-96 loss to the Detroit Pistons, lowlighted by poor defensive showings from his teammates on the wing, Howard expressed his displeasure with the team's performance. From Zach McCann of the Orlando Sentinel:
"Either we get it together or we're just going to be a playoff team that doesn't win a championship," Howard said.
"Guys got to guard on the perimeter, got to do a better job. It just can't be one dribble to the basket. So you got to do a better job."
Yet what he said there doesn't quite inspire panic. Not from me, anyway. It could be worse for Magic fans, if we're quite honest.
Take Deron Williams' situation with the Utah Jazz. Like Howard, Williams, an All-Star point guard, can become a free agent in 2012. But Williams has been far less diplomatic in his comments to the media recently. Here's Williams, the face of Utah's franchise, as quoted by David Aldridge:
"My contract's up in two years. It's a now or never situation. I don't know what I'm going to do after this one."
Williams' remarks illustrate that Orlando doesn't quite have it so bad with Howard. Apart from complaining about his teammates' defense--something he's obviously entitled to do, given the accuracy of his statements and his status as a team co-captain--Howard's at least remained neutral about his pending free agency.
"I want to win a championship," he told Marc Stein in an interview published a little more than a week ago. "And I'm going to do whatever I can to win the championship here in Orlando. This is where I started my career and I would love to finish my career here." Of course, we ought to acknowledge he referred to Los Angeles as "the biggest stage in the world" in the same interview, which prompted some panic among Magic fans who fear he might head to the hated Lakers as a free agent.
Ultimately, it's too early to get into a tizzy about the possibility of Howard leaving the Magic. Orlando still has the balance of this season, these playoffs, next season, and the following postseason remaining before Howard makes a decision, and if he holds true to form, he'll remain noncommittal in his comments about free agency until that time. "Noncommittal" doesn't exactly inspire confidence, but neither does "borderline hostile," which is how one can categorize what Williams has said.
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I had the same thoughts when I read that.
Trey Kerby (which I like a lot) wrote a piece about how Dwight’s comments show a “defeatist attitude” but I don’t see it that way. The Magic had a very bad game against a “not so good” team and by failing to dictate tempo and take care of perimeter defense, they show some lack of personality as a team. Since it’s the organisation’s goal to win a title and Dwight is the franchise player, not only has he the right to call on his teamates but after the Pistons game I would be disappointed if he didn’t. It’s actually on his teamates to bring some caracter tonight vs the Pacers to back him up and give SVG his 200th. As for the free agency, I will worry about that when the time will come.
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Yes - it could be a lot worse
but Dwight calling out his teammates (or back in 2009, his coach) usually produces immediate results.
Just being sensationalist, trying to generate mullions of posts.
Trade him for Tas!
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Jan 26, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
Everybody talks about it, why can’t he situation. I don’t like the title too much either. BTW Schmitz has a related article yet again today “Nick Anderson’s advice to Dwight Howard: Finish your career with Orlando Magic”. We just need to get used to this, it will keep poping up for the rest of the year.
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I am seriously of the belief
If he leaves he leaves. I have two perspectives on this. As a fan, I am crying on his leg with him dragging me srying and telling Dwight don’t leave. It’s not a pretty scene. However if I was a GM, I seriously have to consider what to do if he doesn’t sign an extension. To me, if he does not sign it, that is a sign he does not want to stay here. I have to look at the options of trading him. Again you look at what happened to Cleveland. They got a trade exception which they have done absolutely nothing with. Look at Denver and how they handled it. Say what you want, Carmelo has done nothing wrong. Denver was stupid for negotiating with only one team. I would have considered trading with a team that would not have cared if Carmelo left in the offseason(Orlando or Houston). I understand when you lose a franchise player you try to hit a home run, but it destroyed the locker room during the season. Yes they are playing better now, but that is fool’s gold now. Carmelo is going to the Knicks and they do not like anything they have to over. So now they will get a trade exception or nothing. Which is basically the same. Orlando actually handled this type of situation good the last time around. Trade T Mac and get what you can. Unless of course you can try and do a LeBron, Wade, Bosh silent agreement where Dwight convinces Paul or Williams(with Paul the preferred, but Williams the most likely because of his upset nature at this time.)
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There are two potential sides to this situation:
1 – If Dwight has endorsed the recent trades, he is asking for more effort from his teammates on the defensive end.
2 – This is not what Dwight has envisaged from the trades, and is now asking for filling the defensive holes, perhaps via new trades.
The approach to the summer signings was that: a) "we needed more offense in SF position" – based on the experience from BOS series – hence replacing Barnes with Richardson; and b) also we needed a better back-up in PG position, hence Duhon signing. Neither of these two players have much of a role – if any – right now, and of the two Duhon has proven to be a bad choice.
The trades have created 3 defensive deficiencies: 1) weakening the frontline; 2) weakening the perimeter defense at wing positions; and 3) weakening PG defense (i.e., Arenas v. Duhon). Of the three, the last one could certainly be compensated by better passing and play making.
How do these all fit into the theme of "making Dwight Happy"? I never understood the notion that he would be happy with extended duty – and extended minutes – on the defensive end since he is a stud, and capable of doing so. However, that is understandable if he fully endorsed the trades in a sense that with the endorsement comes the potential sacrifices.
Then the question becomes: is this personnel capable of playing better defense? I would put my faith in coach Van Gundy’s system. After all, defense is a team concept, although one could not ignore the individual capabilities in each single position. The reason is that individual mismatches – of the kind we saw in DET’s game in SF and SG positions – would require help from other players, hence creating extra opportunities for the opposing teams.
They're simply not even trying..
This is what, the 3rd or 4th time Howard complaining about poor “D” this year? There’s just no effort on their part. Stan may be preaching D, but they’re not listening. So what do you do?
IMO, I don’t think they’re capable of playing D.. 5th in the league? O.K., I believe Howard has a lot to do with that.
do you have a way to get defensive numbers while Dwight sits on the bench plz ?
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I was reading Eddy's article entitled: "Newfound efficiency for the Orlando Magic"
and someone called DSMok1 posted this numbers in the comments:
Eddy: I have the numbers, adjusted for opponent, rest days, and location, for each game:
The results: before the trade:
Offense: +0.1, Defense -3.9 (that’s good), Overall +3.9
Now:
Offense: +5.7, Defense -3.1, Overall +8.8
That 8.8 margin since the trade would be best overall in the league, ahead of Miami (7.8), Boston (7.5), LA (7.0), and San Antonio (+6.8).
(I can’t get it blockquoted for some reason.)
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What about the roster outlook in 2012?
Does that inspire confidence Dwight will stay? That’s what it all comes down to in my mind. Whatever is said in the media is ultimately meaningless.
I was looking at our roster
Turk, JJ, Arenas, Duhon, and Fake Richardson are on the books already. The team who could probably sign him straight up under the cap that scares me is Boston. I did the math, they have 23 mil coming off the books this season and 31 mil the next season. With only Rondo and Pierce under contracts. If I was Dwight, and Orlando had no shot of getting Paul or Williams I would sign in Boston not LA. I could easily see fans accepting diminished returns next year with the chance to sign Dwight Howard in 2012. Wouldn’t you?
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There's a lot that can happen between now and 2012. Look at our roster on draft day 2009
and look at it now. It has been completely changed twice. With the new CBA coming in and nobody knowing what will come out of that (talk of a “franchise tag” like the NFL) there is no telling what our team will look like. For Dwight to speculate on that now and decide what he wants to do in 2 years is too difficult in my opinion.
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True, there's no telling what the roster will look like in 2012.
But as of today, the roster outlook is scary. The Magic must get out from Arenas’ deal, which I would guess is a longshot (but who knows). I read the other day the franchise tag is very unlikely because Stern approves of superstar movement. And that there almost certainly wouldn’t be a season next year if the owners pushed for it.
by CaliFlorida on Jan 26, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
DING DING DING
Stern DOES approve of player movement – from smaller markets to larger markets. Always has.
I never really thought it was an accident they removed free agency for exactly the 1 summer that Shaq was one in Orlando and reading Tim Donaghy’s book does nothing to soften my opinion on the matter.
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While I don't understand why that bottom part of your post is in italics,
I’ve been wondering if Donaghy’s book is worth the read, or if I should just skim for the highlights on teh interwebz.
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The italics were as an aside since it was a little off topic
That said, I’ve enjoyed the book thus far (75%ish complete). Some of the gambling sections are a little repetitive but can quickly be skimmed. Overall a pretty easy read.
I’d read some excerpts from the web, but there are a lot more details and specifics on the various refs and specific games or situations. It’s really interesting to see things confirming that you aren’t crazy about seeing things like makeup calls, swallowed whistles, personal grudges. Regardless of whether or not he could really pick games as well as he claims, there is nothing in the officiating angle that doesn’t ring true.
He mentions specific Magic games several times (mostly from 2003-2006 though he hits on the 2009 ECF and Finals very briefly). I wish he was still current so we could find out what the story was with things like Dwight’s techs, etc.
For $10 on my iPad, I thought it was worth it.
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the problem is the majority of the owners
are in “smaller markets”. They want the tag, and the big boys won’t necessarily deny it outright. Stern doesn’t get a vote in this thing. If the owners are the one’s who are considering locking the players out, then they can demand what they want. The players are the one’s who are going to have to give a little in this negotiation, not the other way around like in ‘99. Majority of the owners would save money not playing a season, while many of these players live pay check to pay check. They are the ones who can’t afford the lockout.
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Exactly
You could make an argument that the NBA should be more like soccer. How many teams play in London? And the arenas only sit about what 20k at the most. You could realistically say New York should 4-5 teams. But Minor markets have a majority of the teams. There are only like 7 or 8 maybe major market teams. Memphis, New Orleans(when they get an owner), Utah, Sacramento, OKC, etc will probably want some type of franchise tag or variation of it.
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Oh I agree
And it is not really two years. It is a year and a hald with potentially the next season being a short season. I wish, hope, and pray that the medium market owners get a franchise tag. One player means too much in basketball. Not only the team, but the economy, arena situations, TV agreements. Way too value of players much in basketball therefore I think they should have a somewhat limited chance to screw over cities and organizations. Now if they refuse to play and do holdouts like they do in the NFL, by all means trade them. I know we pay to see players and not owners. I know owners screw us by making tax payers pay for most of the costs for brand new arenas. But they are the ones who write the paychecks. It is their league despite what players think.
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I agree 100%
The problem is it’s a numbers games. Stars are valuable because there aren’t very many. As such, most teams don’t have one and would worry that this would make it harder to get one. Of the teams that DO have superstars, many of them are larger markets and are a seeming draw for players (Lakers, Celtics) or have just signed their players (Miami).
At this point, only a medium market team with looming free agents would want this. I’m guessing Orlando, OKC, New Orleans, maybe Washington. That’s not nearly enough votes to make anything happen, but my fingers are crossed.
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This is been presented the wrong way..
Sure, it’s a numbers game and stars are valuable because there aren’t many. But, it’s FOOLISH to think that smaller market teams will be able to get star-quality players through free agency: It’s a BIG MARKET world, and as you said, Sterns favors movement… from small to BIG market, that is! NOT the other way around… Small market teams rely on the Draft and player development, NOT free agency!
Once small market teams realize this, the next logical step will be to UNITE; ACT in unison AGAINST the interests of the Big markets teams. After all, they outnumber them something like 8 to 1. One of the first steps would be to get rid of Sterns, who OBVIOUSLY has worked AGAINST them all these years… Let him SIDE with LA, Boston, Miami… the REST of the League should see this… and ACT!
Problem is… MONEY has worked itself into the system in new and devious ways… NOW, Big maket teams CAN buy their way to a Championship, with no player development at all! This is NOT just a problem for the owners… it’s a HUGE problem for us, the FANS too! The more they pay these stars, the higher the ticket prices… for US!!! How many times in a season can a family of FOUR afford to go to an NBA game, NOW? How about TEN years ago? You get my point…
Yes… I’m one of those that believe in the “franchise tag”, or, at the very LEAST… some form of TEAM COMPENSATION to those teams that lose a star player to free agency. A player is free to go WHEREVER he wishes and ANY team can sign him… BUT, the team that signs him WILL have to pay some sort of compensation (player, draft picks, money… etc.) to the team where he came from. It’s NOT a penalty; it’s COMPENSATION; a way to balance interests and ensure equity within the League. It’s been done individually NOW to SOME players… in their contracts, like the Carmelo Anthony contract… Now, it SHOULD be in the NEXT Agreement, or CBA.
I KNOW… it’s a dream, not likely to happen what with those specail interests and all… but I HAD to put it OUT THERE… for you all!
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by JeffShann3 on Jan 26, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That was an awesome read.
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FOOLISH BIG MARKET BIG NOT NOT!
UNITE; ACT AGAINST OBVIOUSLY AGAINST REST ACT!
MONEY NOW CAN NOT HUGE FANS US!!! FOUR NOW TEN?
LEAST TEAM COMPENSATION WHEREVER ANY BUT, WILL NOT COMPENSATION NOW SOME SHOULD NEXT.
I KNOW I HAD OUT THEREll!
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Jan 26, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
nice. haha.
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My biggest problem with all of this is that it is pointless speculation on everyone's part.
Otis Smith and the Magic front office should be thinking about this now. That’s it.
Prior to the last 2 years of Lebron, I don’t ever remember this kind of focus in the NBA (or any sport) about potential player movements YEARS in advance. With Shaq it was talked about sparingly during the season and picked up during the summer as you’d expect.
We just had 2 years of coverage about where Lebron would go – and NO ONE mentioned Miami until the end. It was always New York or New Jersey. ALWAYS. Clearly that 2 years of speculation revealed no insight and accomplished nothing but hijacking the NBA conversation with repetitive arguing and guessing about stuff that ISN’T basketball.
Now we’ve had a good year of Carmelo under our belts and I’m sick to death of it. I still don’t care, however it’s the top story on ESPN’s NBA coverage more frequently than actual games. The second he is traded (or signs somewhere else) it will become a multi-year 24-hour-news-cycle staple to discuss where Dwight is going to go though he hasn’t said anything about ANYTHING. It’s just talking to hear themselves talk.
I doubt it will happen, but I would love to see the new CBA institute some sort of “franchise player” designation if only to quell this kind of incessant non-reporting and pre-worrying that detracts from the actual games on the floor. It’s like no one pays attention to the games being played today because it’s not half as interesting as imagining what games might be played 2 years from now – or more. I mean, we’ve already started seeing articles about where Blake Griffin will go in 5 years!
I don’t play fantasy basketball for a reason and I am becoming more and more disheartened that the game I love seems to be devolving into nothing but a real life fantasy league.
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by EnnBee on Jan 26, 2011 11:11 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
I wish I had thought to make a code
I was just trying to break it up and emphasize some points since it was a longish post.
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Jeez, now its caps and bold.
Head explodes
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Jan 26, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Caps: Years no one always isn’t anything.
Small bold: 2 years still non-reporting! Pre-worrying might 5 years.
I am beginning to understand. I have a call in to Benjamin Franklin Gates.
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Jan 26, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
decoder now posted. You're welcome everyone!
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Hear Hear.
I agree with mostly everything, although I am on the fence about the franchise tag. I believe in players’ rights, but I really hate this new age super team mentality. I really believe it’s bad for the league. Maybe they can make it so that a team can offer only one player a “franchise contract”, where it’s the max money and significantly higher than other contracts they can offer. This would basically put the onus on the players that if they really wanted to form a super team, then they’d have to take a hard look at making millions less than someone who is supposed to be their equal on a team.
I can’t imagine LeBron and Bosh joining up with D-Wade if they had to watch Wade make $20 mill/year while they made only $10 mill/year.
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That's an interesting idea
I mentioned above that while I like the “franchise player” designation, I doubt that teams would go for it.
The whole point of being able to sign your own player to more than other teams was to cut down on player movement. However, since teams don’t want to lose a player for nothing, they sign them to the big contract and then trade them. It hasn’t really worked out as intended.
I like this idea of a “franchise contract.” Every team has 1 contract they can use for XX dollars increasing by XX% for XX years that is substantially more than the other contracts they have. Big spending owners wouldn’t like it, but smaller market and more frugal owners would love to balance out the money. Of course, players wouldn’t like it as there would only be 30 of these available and some teams might not even use it.
Still, it’s a really interesting idea. I’ll have to think about it a while because I’m sure there is some way that teams will screw this up and cause more trouble than it’s fixing. They really are ingenious like that.
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Yeah, I was just throwing it out there.
I didn’t really think it through very much, but I wanted to try to at least see if there was a compromise that could be met between controlling players’ actions and the health of the league overall.
I basically feel like Antonio Cromartie does about the NFL’s labor disputes.
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Watch out Stern will put you on a black list, McCarthy style
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Dwights going nowhere
I’ll put it this way, if the Magic cant get to the championship they can blame it on Dwight. This is the most talented squad he’s ever had and it’s on him to become the dominant threat and lead his team to victory, not blame it on his teammates.
I think SVG will be ousted if the Magic dont at least make the Conf. Finals this year, and to make those I still believe Gilbert needs to get the majority of minutes at PG for this Magic team to reach its full potential and also trade Jameer for some frontcourt depth.
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Okay.
“I think SVG will be ousted if the Magic dont at least make the Conf. Finals this year, and to make those I still believe Gilbert needs to get the majority of minutes at PG for this Magic team to reach its full potential and also trade Jameer for some frontcourt depth.”
And you base all of that on absolutely nothing? Gotcha.
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We can pick up such hot commodities as...
Mike Woodson! Mike Brown! Don Nelson’s corpse! Eddie Jordan!!! Such great potential out there!
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Really?
Look for Ewing to step up, Dwight doesn’t like SVG, it’s been well documented.
NBA coaches are more for managing personalities than play calling, SVG is a great coach in terms of playcalling\schematics but his handling of players leaves a lot to be desired
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Well documented? By who?
He had one public spat during the Boston series in 2009 where he said he needed more touches, and there hasn’t been a single public issue since. Stan constantly praises Dwight in the media, Dwight constantly does his Stan impersonation while laughing. Or is the laughing supposed to suggest he hates Stan? Okay.
You really don’t know what you’re talking about, sorry.
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Look for you to get banned from this site
Because now you are coming off as a troll and somebody looking to start something our of nothing. Go ahead and do your basektball Big Bang on another site. Dwight does not hate SVG. Seriously though Dwight and SVG have a great relationship. They text and talk constantly. They both are the thriving force for this team. If you are talking about 09, well guess what Jameer Nelson called him that night and spoke to Dwight. Basically called Dwight out on the phone. Uh oh Dwight and Jameer hate each other. Oh wait they are best friends. Seriously stop posting on our website. Not one of your posts has been either informative or beneficial. Call me harsh, but like seriously there is disagreeing with someone’s post and then there are your post. Seriously you have not made sense not one single time.
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Hate and dislike are two different things, I think they’ve learned to cope with each others personalities but Dwight and SVG do not share the same relationship as Kobe and Phil, Timmy and Pops, or KG\Pierce and Doc.
All I’m saying is if the Magic don’t make the ECF he will get the boot, that would be regressing in terms of year end results 2 years in a row and when you have the talent but not the results the blame is usually directed at the coach whether that is justified or not. He was rumored to be fired if he lost to the Celtics last year, this isn’t an earth rattling revelation or hate diatribe against SVG.
Here are 3 articles ranging from 09-11 where Arenas, Dwight, and Otis Smith all criticized his coaching style.
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The Orlando Sentinel is not considered a credible source for rumors.
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Jan 26, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
"Rumored to be fired if he lost to the Celtics"
You know they gave both Otis and Stan extensions on their contracts after the post-season, right? He is one of the top 3 coaches in the league. Dwight does not “hate” him, and never has. Stan is one of the biggest reason’s for Dwight’s success, because he geared the defense around Dwight’s biggest strengths.
Rumored by Michael Wilbon, sure. Which wound up being totally false.
The players tend to like Stan. Dwight’s no exception to that.
Agreed
Earl Clark is basically a rookie still and loves the way Stan coaches. The only player who may not have liked him was Shaq. And that is because he is lazy and usually does not want to put the work in to be great since he is just so much bigger than anyone else.
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He's just a troll from the CornRows site.
Like gas, this too shall pass.
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Jan 26, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Who know, maybe its the ghost of Divad Agelap
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Jan 26, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
We should do a poll
Have this trolled banished back to his troll cave or not. It is not even logical posts he has. Please Evan seriously consider David Polegaing this guy.
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It could be Brian Schmitz?
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Jan 26, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Seems like he is trying to be a universal nuisance
IndyPacers over at IndyCornrows says this troll is spamming his website all over the net.
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Jan 26, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I've sworn off posting on this topic,
but I must comment that I don’t know how I feel about “David Polegaing” as a verb. Is that in the Urban Dictionary yet?
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Dwight's free agency + Gilbert over Jameer, no thread can handle that much
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The ghost of David Polega and the great "Bass v. Anderson" debate.
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Jan 26, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
War Ryno and Roll Bass
Seriously they both are playing great. Seriously this argument needs to stop. For all things Orlando Magic can we end this stupid argument. If you open yours eyes and stats the argument is that they are our second and third best players. I don’t know if you were being sarcastic, if you were ignore, but to anyone else, THEY ARE PLAYING GREAT, both of them.
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Wait, what?
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Fair write-up by Evan. I think EnnBee has addressed it best. I will add only the following:
"If you can look into the seeds of time, And say which grain will grow and which will not, Speak then to me."
- Banquo, from Macbeth, Act I, Scene 3, by the Bard himself.
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I love the quoted part from Macbeth, but if one cannot forecast and project - with some degree of certainty - there would be no business of anything.
LOL.
I think Macbeth is paraphrasing Ecclesiates, but I could be wrong.
And as to forecast and projection, well, we’ve had that discussion before, and I think we probably disagree (amicably, I hope), so I don’t think I’ll open it back up.
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then why do weathermen exist?
they can’t predict anything! *rimshot *
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by TheGiantSquid on Jan 26, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Comic relief after the news and before sports
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Jan 26, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Tom Terry knows all
Just ask him.
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by TheGiantSquid on Jan 26, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Oh come on! lol
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he's adorable!
he looks like a teddy bear haha
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by TheGiantSquid on Jan 26, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Ok as Evan puts it
We should worry less about Dwight than fans of New Orleans and Utah have to. Deron Williams especially. I could easily forcing his way to say Houston. They could trade Aaron Brooks, Patrick Patterson, Jordan Hill and draft picks. Could probably throw in Kyle Lowry as well. I don’t know how Chris Paul gets to New York if they sign Carmelo this year. Either way I see a higher probability of Williams or Paul coming here rather than Dwight leaving.
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"Either way I see a higher probability of Williams or Paul coming here rather than Dwight leaving."
Squints eyes and crosses fingers
I don't see how bringing Paul or Williams would be possible.
Since we are saddled with a couple of bad contracts, and being over the salary cap, we could only get those guys through trade, but do not have much assets in return, except for young and upcoming talents. There is a scenario though whereby these guys could force a trade on their respective teams or else walk away. That is the hope I had for Melo, but that is out of the picture after the recent trades.
The second to last part.
They could walk and get nothing in return. I don’t know what it would be. But they could easily force their ways onto a team. T Mac did. If they want Anderson, I would give him up. Assuming we have found a way to at least keep Earl Clark. Turk would be expiring contract the next season. I really thought New Orleans should have traded Paul instead of Collison. No injuries. Younger. Cheaper. You have more control over him. The team did not play bad with him. If I am not mistaken they finished the season strong. Carter and like 3 draft picks. Heck throw in Gortat and Pietrus expring and I think Orlando takes back Omeka Okafor. I know and understand these GM’s need to sell tickets and get the best they can get for their franchise players. But if you are sure they are going to leave try and get a good deal and take it. Denver really screwed themselves over.
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He is a Texas naitive
I could see him pairing up with Scola and Kevin Martin.
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I agree that he should call out his
team mates for not playing D. But he also needs to relize his terrible FT shooting hasn’t helped at times.
Maybe we will get
Deron to come here in 2012…Deron and Dwight, with Jameer kicking up the…oh wait. We have Gilbert Arenas. Never mind…:D
I am made of bits of real panther so you know I'm good.
Baron's a better player at this point.
He’s actually engaged again playing with Griffin.
I honestly can’t think of a more untradeable player than Arenas.
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Probably true
But I am holding out for Gil. Not to sound like a homer, but I do not believe that Vinny Del Negro has a playbook as demanding as SVG or is a coach as demanding as SVG. Clips basically just free flow. No structure. Just saying. Also Davis does not have to worry about any expectations. Also to defend Gil, his shooting and decision making have been bad. I think if he just worries about creating, finds his groove there, then I believe his shot will start falling.
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Gil could be traded, just not for an NBA player.
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Jan 26, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
I have a question.
Is Deron Williams actually the better fit for this Magic team over Chris Paul? Deron seems like a taller version of Jameer. He is having a career year. And to me he would have that same chip on the shoulders mentality because everyone thinks of other Point Guards before they mention him.
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There's no such thing as a better version of Chris Paul. Not yet.
He’s the best point guard on the planet and it’s not close.
I mean, I get what you’re saying—Williams is bigger than Nelson, or whatever—but he doesn’t top Paul in any facet of the game.
Except for being taller.
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Actually, CP3 can jump high enough to make up the difference according to DraftExpress
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by Both_Teams_Played_ on Jan 26, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just being sarcastic.
The whole “Jameer is too short” rhetoric is bothersome, so I feel the need to apply it to everything I can.
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Which is a huge deal around here for PG's.
We need to bring Jeryl Sasser and Reece Gaines back.
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I agree that Paul is better
But I am little nervous of the knees. Just a little.
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I was about to mention this. Paul > Williams...now. In 4-5 yrs? Who knows what CP3's knee is like
Although in 4-5 yrs, who knows what Williams will be like too, so I digress.
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