The Orlando Magic Are Not Finished Yet
Matt Moore has seen enough of the Orlando Magic to conclude that their chances of winning a championship are now nil. Writing for CBSSports.com last Friday, Moore explained why the Magic simply have no hope of hoisting the Larry O'Brien trophy in the coming years, before taking to Twitter in order to make it clear that he doesn't relish Orlando's demise.
And Moore isn't a "hater," whatever that means. He's one of the first guys I got to know when I started blogging the Magic in 2007, and I consider him a friend.
With that said, I take issue with some of the points in his argument, and would like to counter them in this space.
Moore says, in essence, that improvement from other teams in the league, the abandoning of the Orlando's winning formula, and having to play in a small market have shut the championship window "if they don't make a major trade this season." I contend he's mistaken on the first two fronts.
Yes, the two-time defending champion L.A. Lakers loom large as title threats, having not lost any core players this summer. The Boston Celtics, whose defeat of the Magic in this year's Eastern Conference Finals, Moore says, "validated" the people who believe the only reason Orlando defeated them in the 2009 playoffs was Kevin Garnett's injured knee, also bolstered their bench, and only lost one rotation player, albeit an important one in defensive ace Tony Allen. And the Miami Heat? With three All-Stars and a better-than-anticipated collection of supporting players, they're the favorites to come out of the East. Their presence means "things get considerably harder for the Magic."
But no, their improvements don't automatically vault them ahead of the Magic. Orlando boasted a top-five standing on both offense and defense last season, and posted the best point differential in the entire league. It was elite then, and still is now. If one wants to argue that Boston, L.A., and Miami are better on paper, I wouldn't exactly challenge that. But they didn't create a new tier in the NBA hierarchy, one that Orlando can't hope to reach. It's not as though Orlando got worse this offseason.
Moore also says there are internal issues with the Magic. Last summer's move to replace Hedo Turkoglu with Vince Carter, of whom Moore has never been fond, is one of them. That move, Moore writes, signals that the Magic "seem to have detonated the special formula that got them [to the NBA Finals] in the first place." He contends that Carter "seemed a tremendous step back" from Turkoglu" and that the Magic "seemed inconsistent and incomplete" last season, which led to "tensions bubbling under."
There's a lot of "seem" in that last paragraph, which makes sense, because there's no definitive evidence to support any of it. Turkoglu became a fan favorite in Orlando, stands 6-foot-10, has a goofy beard, and made some key baskets. None of those things constitutes "a special formula." The Magic still played the same brand of four-out/one-in basketball around center Dwight Howard, plugging Carter in to Turkoglu's place as the secondary pick-and-roll facilitator and go-to scorer. Again, this point is important: the Magic didn't change the way they played. On either end of the floor. Now, had they gone "conventional," so to speak, and put a "true" power forward next to Howard? That would be a stylistic departure. If they installed the Triangle offense? Also a huge change. If they played Howard at point-center? That would be... you get the point. But that's quite clearly not what happened.
And despite Carter jacking shots basically indiscriminately through the first two months of the year, and then missing more than 70 percent of his looks in January, he was (at worst) equal to Turkoglu's performance in that rather special 2008/09 year. Which means Carter must have really improved in the second half of the year as he learned to grasp the Magic's offense. Which is exactly what happened, playoff disappointment notwithstanding.
The Magic also had to battle through Jameer Nelson injuring his knee in mid-November, which forced him out of action and then rendered him a step slow and rather out of rhythm upon his return. But he, like Carter, found his groove in the second half of the season, and they became a potent backcourt tandem. I know I mention this point a lot, and you'll in fact see it again tomorrow, but it's worth repeating here: Orlando had a top-five offense despite Carter (first in per-minute shot attempts) and Nelson (third) bringing up the rear on the team in True Shooting percentage. I think it's reasonable to expect both players to shoot far more accurately this season.
And "tensions" with last year's team? I believe there was precisely one period when the Magic's situation looked dire. From January 2nd to January 18th, Orlando lost seven of its nine games, a stretch which included the first four-game losing streak of Stan Van Gundy's coaching tenure. The team dropped from 24-8 to 26-15. But after that point? Smooth sailing. The team went 33-8 over the last half of the regular season, and 41-8 if you'd like to count the first- and second-round playoff sweeps.
That was not a tense period for the Magic.
I guess one could argue a bad stretch in mid-January portended doom, but that, to me, smacks of starting with a conclusion in mind and working backwards to find evidence. Because, as anyone who followed last team's Magic closely can tell you, it was not exactly doom-and-gloom.
Moore's final point carries some weight, and its one that really deserves our consideration in the years ahead. The DeVos family has quite graciously shelled out to pay for a winning team, with over $93 million in player salary committed to this season, not counting luxury-tax payments, or, for example, the cost of staffing the team's scouting and analytics department. The indications are that they're willing to keep spending, but from a practical standpoint, Orlando's market won't support it indefinitely. At some point, the team will need to cut costs. It's simply a reality in professional sports.
Given the assembly of talent in Miami and the Magic's uninspiring turn in the Eastern Conference Finals, we were bound to have this conversation sooner or later. I suppose I'm happy it's out of the way.
In the Twitter message I linked above, Moore asks, "what scenario leads to a title?"
My response: The one where they play to the best of their abilities. Which, as we saw in 2008/09, is not unprecedented for a Van Gundy-coached team.
If you'd like to label me a homer, or whatever, just sticking up for his sad, disrespected team, that's your choice. But I'd certainly hope my track record here has established my voice as reasonably impartial, or at least not reactionary.
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The Magic may need to cut costs...
…but Carter and Lewis’ contracts are coming up in the next couple years, so that’s going to happen naturally.
They have Redick locked up long-term, and can most likely secure Ryan Anderson for a reasonable price, especially after the new CBA and whatnot.
Now, whether Redick and Anderson can match Lewis and Carter’s production is another question. I think they’ve got a decent shot (Redick will never quite be Carter, but Ryan can be more than Shard… or at least more than 2009-10 Shard).
But then we’d need to find the backups to fill in behind them.
But that’s possible, and backups are cheap. (Especially at PF and SG… two of the easier positions to fill in my opinion.)
Either way, let’s worry about it in 2012 or so.
Unless, of course, it takes playing time away from Ryan Anderson.
In response to the comment by 3.3seconds,
I agree that Vince Carter and Rashard Lewis’ contracts expiring in the next couple of years will open up some serious financial flexibility, but we won’t need to shop for backups to Ryan Anderson and JJ. With the 40 million per year that will open up, I certainly hope we can land more than a couple of backups for RA and JJ. (BTW I have to say what a huge fan I am of OPP. Best site imaginable for true Magic fans)
problem is we're about 35 million above the cap
so the only relief we get from those contracts will be in the form of lesser luxury tax payments
they will need to be traded for other contracts if we are going to try to get other players out of it, as the space will not actually be “available” to use to sign players.
thats a good point
And depending what the cap will be set to after next year, we may still be paying luxury tax
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by TheGiantSquid on Sep 20, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
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by TheGiantSquid on Sep 20, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
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by eltharion_doa on Sep 21, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
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by TheGiantSquid on Sep 21, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
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by Max_in_Missouri on Sep 22, 2010 4:27 AM EDT up reply actions
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by TheGiantSquid on Sep 22, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
There are a million scenarios that could play out.
We don’t yet know what Dwight’s play will be like this year. I feel he’s improved every year against the other centers in the league who have given him trouble in the past.
Injuries are always a factor against every team. The Magic are able to survive some injuries (Dwight excluded) whereas other teams would suffer greatly from injuries. Boston may be great again this year, but their window is closing too. They may deal with multiple injuries this year due to age. I doubt Miami will be dealing with many injuries, but if Wade, James or Bosh gets hurt that will severely harm their chances at a title. In other words, any guy could come down on his leg wrong and completely ruin his team’s chances of a championship.
I agree with Ben that Orlando is in the top tier of NBA basketball teams. Honestly, any of them could come up with a ring this year and I wouldn’t be completely surprised. Anything could happen.
The intensity has to go up, up! Not down...UP! -Stan Van Gundy
3 max players and 4 MLE or above players is a luxury...
… not a necessity. The Lakers only have/had two max players while using the MLE quite liberally, ’08 Boston had 3 max players, but no MLE players, the ’07 Spurs only one max player and 3 MLE or above players, and so it goes.
The trick will be how the Magic can fill one or both of those max slots once Carter and Lewis finish their contracts. We’ll see. But this situation has little bearing on the Magic’s championship prospects going into this season.
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
Last year’s team played better than the year before. We just lost sooner.
This year’s team will play better than last year’s. There is no reason not to think so. Vince is getting worse and everyone else is getting better. Lewis will probably be the same. We upgraded Matt Barnes and J Will.
It’s illogical to think the Magic don’t have a chance just because, for the third year in a row, people want to give the championship to Lebron before we even start the season.
I do think the Laker’s are the favorites. They’ve gone to the finals three times in a row and are completely stacked. Agree?
<3 Ben:
“There’s a lot of “seem” in that last paragraph, which makes sense, because there’s no definitive evidence to support any of it."
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by Wally Balls 407 on Sep 20, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Thoughtful response.
I agree with your sentiments, Ben.
Please don't simply ignore the stats when making your case, 'cause "...your eyes lie to you sometimes..."
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I love it.
Now I just hope it’s true.
I love LeBron. No really, I love Jameer.
The Boston Celtics were "finished" last year too
Funny how that equated to a close Final’s series loss.
If you were a man I would punch you, right in the mouth.
Moore went to the extreme, and did not hit all the right buttons
While elevating Hedo to the level of “a formula” is unwarranted – which Ben exposed emphatically – I tend to believe that Otis Smith’s adamant persistence that we are not that far off from championship shows – quite honestly – who he is, an average GM, despite enjoying the best center in the league, and the deep pocket of the ownership. Boston last year, and LA the year before exposed all the holes which need to be plugged. What Smith did? As I mentioned in previous posts, while Duhon is an upgrade, replacing Barnes with Richardson is not. While this could be debated otherwise – and I don’t intend to contest – this is rather a wash, a bit to the plus or minus side, if you will. The main problem is that our rival in Southeast division, MIA, has improved – at least on the paper, although I am not considering them better than the Magic – and if we don’t win the division, we will slip down to fourth or fifth seeding which means we have to play with the top seed in the second round of playoffs.
I have always opposed the idea of cost cutting as the first approach to business profitability. Long term business strategies may trump that idea. In Magic’s case, the question is how much winning a championship is worth in terms of extra revenue; I bid you in tens of millions, not to mention added equity to the team’s overall valuation. So the idea should not be to get below salary cap, but rather to, through wise trades, build a championship team while Vince’s salary is still on the books. To Rich Devos a few millions does not mean much, and it took awhile for the ownership to get off the idea of running this business with a myopic business strategy. They need the right advice, and they are not getting it.

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